Ah, dang it. I thought I was being original making that joke. lol

he became more and more strong and big lost his power afterwards afterwards he died

Love this

Interesting page. Pelagius sounds like his head was in the right place. I'll be researching more about him

glad I was not the only one who thought of this lmao

Well the republic was controlled by the senate.. which was controlled by the empire... so who was really keeping the story hidden?

@@neowolf09 indeed??????

@@neowolf09 The Jedi...

Let me tell you the tragedy of Darth Pelagius the Wise.

Is it possible to learn this power?

I thought not. It's not a story the christians would tell you

Daam you! I wanted that. Pffftttttt arrghhhh 😂

Somebody beat me too it lol

Have you heard of Darth Vader the dark lord....no pun intended.

Repent, and believe the Gospel of Luke and the sacred Jedi Texts! I have the high ground! 🤣

That was my thought too

@@Bee-zr5pb me and my gf were talking about sleep paralysis demons last night and this comment lit up my ipad+the whole room and scared the shit out of us comedic timing lmao

@@CynewulfofWinland wow, crazy synchronicity lol

Reminds me of some Greek philosophers too. Also Gnosticism. Makes me wonder if what he got these ideas from was some far older Druidic mystery school that he tried to rebrand as Christianity to make the ancient wisdom survive. It would make sense!

Sounds like Solomon

Men were ( are )so frightened of a woman who isn't kept down by ignorance.

Same here and you're right, more or less everything is in line with post Vatican II Catholicism. Not so much with traditional Catholicism. I'm not a Catholic either any longer, and I made sure to make it formal, but it was bloody hard. I had to write official letters to my bishop several times, stating I am an atheist, all so my name would be removed from the church books. Even then nothing was working, I was constantly being told to wait and they would "deliberate" on it. Eventually, I literally had to threaten that I would desecrate the host right there on the mass if I had to, and within 2 weeks I was officially "excommunicated".

Ditto, I had that formal catholic education. Whats funny is that the catholics from the East also reject Augustine and his original sin teachings. It creates an odd dynamic. They also have issues with the immaculate conception as a result.

Jesus came to update the covenant with God that Moses made.

Ya but master can hold u to perfection in spirit thru Christ Jesus Amen

It's weird how he singles out the idea that they were against teaching women when Jerome publicly spoke about the need to teach women the same as men and taught many women, himself, not only how to read the scriptures but even how to read them in the original Hebrew. And he wasn't remotely the only one doing this. I mean, the fact we have so many women saints and churches named after non-Biblical women should be kind of a dead giveaway that there's something off with that teaching. But this sounds like a guy who believed a book instead of doing significant research into the veracity of its claims so he doesn't realize he's actually being kind of a bigot. If he'd bothered to learn Catholic history and beliefs many of his issues would have had answers. Which is weird. He claims he investigated, but he clearly stopped at learning about early Catholicism (which is a big part of what we based Vatican II on). He may want to evaluate his biases.

I'm a heathen like ocean, but I have a deep love of, and fascination with theology of all faiths. I've come to think that if there is a salvific event as Christianity, and other faiths claim, its probably a much safer bet for me to follow the path I'm on, and be a good person that it would've been to continue on in the fundamentalist perversion of Christianity i was raised in. Got a new theology book coming in at the moment, Jesus for the non-religious by Bishop John Shelby Spong, who I definitely recommend checking out if you're not already familiar with him since you're a Christian yourself. I'd imagine any Christian who'd be commenting on an ocean keltoi vid without trying to convert us would probably appreciate Bishop Spong's work just as much, if not even more than I do.

@@burninsherman1037 Appreciate the recommendation! I am familiar with Spong. We all have to “land” somewhere (at least to rest on our quest)… I’m 69, a former Calvinist pastor who has “repented” of believing in that morally monstrous “god”. I haven’t “arrived”, but now embrace (unlike Spong) a pretty (classical) orthodox perspective not unlike many of the early Church Fathers. I confess and believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, and the Savior of the world. The greatest seismic shift was for me was embracing Historic Christian Universalism- coming to believe that God really is Love, and is hell bent on saving every human being who ever has or will live. If I may return the favor, check out Thomas Talbot, former philosophy professor (now retired), and his book The Inescapable Love of God. Thanks for reaching out and sharing❤️!

I mean, you can always become protestant what you're saying is essentially just the protestant claim.

a common Tibetan name (and the name I was given when I took Refuge from a Tibetan lineage) is Gyatso, which means ocean. Weird how connected Indo-European culture seems to still be after so much diversification and diaspora

@@badluckrabbit Tibetan, of course, belongs to the Sino-Tibetan family. But since Pali, Sanskrit, etc. are Indo-European, I imagine there could be an Indo-European influence, via Buddhism, on Tibetan naming practices. I don't know enough about the topic to say.

@@nathanmauk9387 yeah some kind of cultural pollination from Indian Buddhism would make sense

@@badluckrabbit a lot more indo-European culture than people realize. It’s amazing. I have this book March of the Titans (The Complete History of the White Race) by Arthur kemp. It’s a very detailed Kemp spent 30 yrs researching to write it. What is fascinating is the reach these ancient people. The mummies of Pharaoh Ramses 2 with red hair, Yuya with blonde hair, Thuya Tutankhamun’s great grandmother with blonde hair, also there’s a statues with blue lapus lazuli inset eyes, and a fourth dynasty depiction of Queen Hetop-Heres2 daughter of Cheops with blonde hair. And the Tocharian mummies in China , Canary Islands, and also North America. There’s also pre-Columbian murals in Mexico that show chichen itza warriors sacrificing white prisoners with long blonde hair. So much history and different ancient cultures describe white bearded gods bringing knowledge and civilization. The similarities of the Egyptian pyramids the canary island pyramids and the Mexican pyramids. The Aztecs the the Spaniards were the gods returning from the sea from which they came.

@@James_from_I.E. Wrong Channel, Sir. You might find one of the Odin Norse channels your thing.

gods in everything? And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - Jesus of Nazareth the Christ. Exodus 20:3- Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Who is the Father Jesus was referring to? Mat. 22: 31-32 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

@@AA-by7xc Jesus isn’t the “only true God” friend. Sorry to burst your bubble

@@marksalazar4086 Where did the other "gods" come from?

@@marksalazar4086 I will tell you there are other angelic beings, and even Satan is called the “God of this world.” Followers of the Father do not worship these entities though.

This is basically what traditional Christianity taught. Augustine was the only church father who taught original sin. Even Augustine argued that everything is good in so far as it participates in being and evil has no real existence

I feel the same way.

@@OceanKeltoi SO DO I!

There is a difference between the polytheistic gods and the demiurge. Monotheistic religions have a wrong perspective of what polytheistic gods are, thinking they are the demiurge. In the view of a lot of western esotericists (including me), the polytheistic gods can be labeled under a hierachy of angels called 'Powers'. This can also be confirmed amongst other things, in the bible, where it indicated a clear relation that 'the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.', an indication to the rapes by Zeus and other figures. So in my view they are not 'god' in the sense of the christian god but rather angels of high status. The view of the christian god, which in my opinion is also flawed by having the qualities of a 'pure human', relates to the demiurge, which we know nothing about. Apart from that argument, one can point out the holy trinity, three beings in one. Why can't there be more? Alas, I abstain from this argument as the trinity is a metaphorical identity to the crown sephira, and the sides of man, mineral, vegetable and animal...sulfur, salt, mercury (not in the right order).

I see we have an Elder Scrolls fan.

no, no, that was Pelagius the III, this is just Pelagius... close, but no cigar. ^_~

If no one had beaten me to it, I would be undecided if I wanted to make puns about Darth Pelagius or Pealgius Septim III lolol

Ah shit your right

Yes

My maternal grandmother always had something she said to us whenever we encountered a less pleasant part of the natural world (bad weather, baby birds falling from nests, various insects, etc): "It's part of nature and nature is beautiful." She also said the same thing in regards to the more pleasant parts of nature. She was Baptist, and that attitude was passed to my mom, which was passed to us. That was the closest either of them got to any sort of paganism at all, and it also prevented me from internalizing the concept of original sin, which I'm grateful for lol.

It's the logical interpretation of the gospels that one comes up with if they were not previously influenced by any other interpretation.

@@DB-pp7kjTrue.

You know, I never thought to look at it that way before. From that, proselytizing now sounds like one big smear campaign to send as many souls to hell as possible lol.

Paul did say that, but that just means they won't be judged for rejecting Christ, they're still judged for their other sins, so Christians can still justify evangelization as it still makes forgiveness easier for people.

Same, honestly. If I were to trek back to Christianity, Celtic Christianity would be my home. But I dont think I ever will.

Same here. My dad’s relatives came from Poland, Lithuania, Germany and Austria and originally they were all Jewish. Over time they drifted away from Judaism and many of them converted to Christianity (the Protestant form). What pushed me out of my concept of monotheism was the death of my grandpa, my dad’s dad. I began to explore different faiths and I stumbled upon Wicca. Over time I discovered Neodruidism and Asátru and I have been very lucky to have supportive parents who supported my decision to follow a polytheistic faith. My brother used to tease me about it but I think my mom might have told him to behave. I wish I had told my grandma, my dad’s stepmom who was Catholic, that I converted to Celtic polytheism but I never did. I don’t doubt that she would’ve accepted my decision since she welcomed my mom, who comes from a Lutheran family, with open arms but maybe it’s because I was worried she might not fully understand my decision. Ever since I converted I feel happy with my spiritual beliefs. I’m currently feeling melancholic but it’s because I miss my hometown and I’ve been struggling with homesickness. Also I told my mom about Pelagius and she actually said good for him for putting forward the concept of free will.

Because he aligns with your man-centered view of reality?

@@OceanKeltoi you ought to be ashamed too. To claim you were a believer in the first place is an obvious lie. Hopefully one day you'll wake up, before it's too late.

@@Isaac-hr8ug There's nothing to gain from an entity that doesn't exist, you can't submit to things that don't exist

Did it really allow for worship of the Celtic gods as well? This has been a very concerning question for me lately, I am torn between praying to Jesus and praying to the Celtic Gods... I feel like this Celtic Christianity, if it follows what you said, is definitely for me if it allows for co-worship

@@user-yc8qi2yu4j it definitely did it's the same with Gothic christianity and even Anglo Saxons if you look at the Frank's casket on one side it has the story of way wayland and on the other it has the adoration of the Magi, theres literally nothing wrong with worshipping the Gods and Jesus.

Danny Gardiner that makes me feel so much better, I’ve been praying to what I just called “god” for so long while not having grown up in church. I felt like there was more that existed that I didn’t know about, but now that I’ve found Celtic religion, I didn’t want to give up prayer that I’ve been doing my whole life, but also am now pulled to pray to the gods and ancestors as called for within Celtic Polytheism.

@@user-yc8qi2yu4j that's great man you definitely should you shouldn't confine yourself to just one thing Jesus had no issue with people following other Gods 🙂

@Space Organism how insightful

Well some would say the Catholic Church was taken over by "outside forces" I think they killed the pope to put a masonic pope on the thhrone allowing many things to go unseen.

​@ThetaRexForever We watched the same documentary. I'd suggest you do research on the veracity of the 'facts' in this documentary. I'd also suggest you do research into what scholars think of Joseph Atwill, who is the center of this "jesus is made up by the romans" claim. The historicity of Jesus Christ is universally accepted by scholars, there's too much attestation (both Christian and non-Christian) to deny that. Archaeologist and Biblical Researcher at Duke University, Eric Meyers, even says that "those who deny the existence of Jesus are like the deniers of climate change.” For that reason and many more, serious scholars across the pond (atheist, agnostic, religious) are not really fond (to put it lightly) of Joseph Atwill. Might I add that he actually isn't a biblical scholar with credentials, do with that whatever you may. On the historicity of Jesus Christ: www.reasonablefaith.org/images/uploads/Rediscovering_the_Historical_Jesus_The_Evidence_for_Jesus.pdf A short article by a Public Theologian on Joseph Atwill's conspiracy www.huffpost.com/entry/was-jesus-a-roman-inventi_b_4080458 Check thoughts from an actual Scholar, who even had a conversation with Joseph Atwill about his conspiracy. This should be helpful: www.richardcarrier.info/archives/4664 Another article on Atwill's conspiracy by a researcher and scholar josh.do/why-were-talking-about-joseph-atwill-and-caesars-messiah/ Other stuff to check out: www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1o1ca2/id_like_a_real_historians_critique_of_american/ www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/i2ltyc/what_are_the_opinions_on_joseph_atwill_and_caesar/ www.quora.com/What-do-other-historians-think-about-the-works-of-Joseph-Atwill-American-Biblical-scholar-trying-to-disprove-Jesus It's sad that Joseph Atwill's conspiracy has been allowed to gain mass following, but I hope you're willing to actually look beyond the confirmation bias :)

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@ThetaRexForever No problems! I added a couple more articles and edits to my comment :)

@ThetaRexForever I' hope I didn't come across that way, sorry if I did. However, I'm not interested in forcing anyone to conform to anything. It seems, though, that you're implying that belief in "my religion" is conformation and evidence against falsehoods is forcefully trying to make one conform. Not really sure I'd agree with that. If you aren't implying that, fair. The language used was interesting at the least. All this to say, I'm really just trying to stand for truth and proper scholarship. Atwill's work is very unfounded (lightly speaking) and has really made people think they've sunk the historicity of Jesus Christ. I'd also rather one not believe than think they're being forced to believe.

I think you mean this is not a story a Christian would tell you

What do you mean by "mysticism/liberation theology"? How do you understand salvation through works and grace? Why don't you believe in hell?

Come on, if we're gonna do the pun, do it correctly "It's not a story the Christians would tell you" lolz

What’s apostolic tradition? Does that refer to stories, documents , council decisions, and rules developed outside the canon? I’m not aware of apostles still in existence by the second century.

@@contentstarved991 It's referring to the central tennents of the faith which was passed down from Jesus to the Apostles to their successors within the Church. The Orthodox church traces its lineage all the way back to Jesus Himself. The Roman Catholics too but they strayed some time ago.

Irony. Palagius' name is a Latinized Gaelic name, George Lucas just liked taking scary sounding words, like tyrant, plague, maul, etc & turning them into Sith names.

Same here but I would say get out of religion. I'm not saying to get rid of belief in God (I still believe and read the Bible myself without religious influence.) Just be careful with the knowledge you obtain. These people are good at persuasion and appealing to your unbelief.

Cathlocism is antichrist please get out of it.

Things would definitely be different. Perhaps better, perhaps just as bad, hopefully not worse but definitely different

The Gnostics were actually far more anti creation than mainstream orthodox Christianity

@@esoterico7750 what exactly do you mean by Orthodox Christianity?

Your Christ is a copy of Syrian myths mixed with the Iranian\Persian cults of Zoroastrianism and Mithra. It is HISTORICALLY impossible for Jesus to be the Messiah or the "Christ". First because the Jewish law forbids human sacrifices, second because the genealogy of Jesus is totally wrong and third because Jesus is not a descendant of David. Only Paul of Tarsus who was a Roman citizen taught that Jesus came to die for sins. Jesus never ever claimed to be the Messiah or that he came to die for sins. The Messiah is not a soul savior like Mithra was or other soul savior gods. The New Testament is full of mythological layers they put over Jesus of Nazareth. The truth is more simpler. I am a Taoist and please leave Lao-Tzu aside and do not compare it to Christianity most of what Lao Tzu taught or Taoism is not different of what Jesus taught but it gives even more than the toxic Abrahamic religions. Jesus' teachings are like Eastern wisdom with Hebrew accent. The same way Moses adapted all the Egyptian knowledge to a tribal deity called Yahweh, Jesus did the same with Eastern wisdom to the Jews. Abrahamic religions are TOXIC their cornerstone are threatens and punishment or judgements from God if you disobey. Sounds more to me that the Abrahamic gods are more like pagan deities and in fact they are. God has nothing to do with this tribal and nationalistic pride that Christian or Jews or Muslims have on calling themselves "special" or the "people of God" who gave them a holy land. God is not a real estate agent. Jesus never claimed he came to die to give salvation from sins or our evil nature that doesnt exists or anything like that.

Errrrrm do I need to ggo down that rabbit hole lol

it depends on who you ask... in "Church Latin" he would be pronounced "tsay-les-tee-oos", the way I learned it in school "kay-les-tee-oos" which still is different than apparently you learned it.

sweet. It's been a step I was honestly apprehensive about.

Yes you are right. Eternal suffering to everyone who has never seen the Bible... why? because they haven’t seen the Bible... I didn’t see a rebuttal but if what you are trying to say is that your god is eternal, and predetermined all events... then in essence the message you are conveying is that He predetermined eternal suffering for some people... what kind of god is this? This reflects Jesus? Forgiveness? Love for other as yourself, to love your enemy? Yes he brought a sword, but a sword of RIGHTeousness and love, not one of pain and hate. Maybe I am wrong so please explain. Anything to say??

@@DaCrazyJalapeno You seem agitated by this and I'm sorry to hear that..... I feel you're looking at this from an already one sided perspective. It seems you're seeing things as if mankind is inherently good and is entitled to something good. I feel as though you believe some insane and out of control sky being just won't let that happen though..... I'm glad this perspective isn't the case with God however. His word tells us who He is and who we are in light of Him. What if God is exactly who He says He is as The Bible states it (and I believe He is by the way). What if He is Holy. Just. Perfect. Loving. Good. Righteous (as the definition demands). Then He could not possibly turn away and accept sin and or a sinful creature as you assume He should. You wouldn't expect a good and honest judge to simply let criminals murder, rape and steal from the poor just because they claim to not be aware of the standard would you? All mankind is born with the innate knowledge of right and wrong. Creation demands that there must be a creator. So creation bears witness of God's standard as does our conscience. That means that all mankind is worthy of justice and damnation as God declared from the beginning if mankind rebels against God. And all mankind has rebelled. So the fact that He chose to save a select people to Himself only displays His righteousness, His love and His goodness. All mankind is worthy of hell and if God chose to save anyone then praise His Holy Name for His names sake. He didn't have to save anyone but the fact that He did only proves how kind and gracious He is. Secondly, whether or not mankind has heard the Gospel message is irrelevant. What is relevant is what does mankind do once they've heard the message? Do they repent and turn from their wicked ways or do they continue in their rebellion to The One that loved them enough to send His only Begotten Son to endure the wrath and justice of God which satisfied His justice? Scripture tells us that the awareness of The Father is a gift. Awareness of our sin is a gift. To be called to repent to be drawn unto Him is a gift. All this starts with Him initiating a response from you. From me. If He initiates it then neither of us have any room to boast in the fact that we had something to do with our own salvation. We're told clearly that boasting is excluded because He done it all for us. Praise God for that. I know this message didn't appeal to human pride. Pride says let me tell you what I accomplished but the grace of God says, let me tell you what was done for me. I hope you understand that I'm not passing any judgment on you my friend not anyone who agreed with this videos view point. There was a time when my view was closer to the view of what this video expressed. You and I are in the same boat. The only difference is I've heard the Gospel call and I agreed with The Father that I was wrong. I needed and still need Him daily and after He called me to Himself I gladly ran to Him as my savior and praise God's Holy name that He called me and many other who were undeserving of such a gift. I pray that He is also calling you. Not only you but anyone reading this, that they may ask God to be merciful on them as well and to reveal who He is in light of who they are. Amen

@@914Undertow I was slightly agitated just due to frustration caused by misunderstandings between me and Christians, but I think mainly just because I so often fall upon logic when Christians prefer in the end to just fall upon faith *which really there is nothing wrong with.* Anyway though, I appreciate the quick reply. I don't feel as if humanity is inherently good nor evil from the perspective of my limited human intuition. I don't really think that the Christian conception of god prevents good from entering the world whatsoever, I just find many Christians to interpret the bible in such a way that I find unloving and unrighteous to so many people. I agree that a good and honest judge in no case should "let criminals murder, rape and steal from the poor" because a just and loving god as you say should love all but give his righteous favor only to those who TRULY love. Those who love their neighbor like they love god, not in a way that is intended to receive something but from unconditional love. You say its only relevant what mankind does once they've heard the message. Yet you omit those people who have never heard the message. So you say, well, these must be bad people for god never gave them the gift to know god. However I say to you that I don't think someone needs to be good to have received the message of Jesus, nor does someone need to receive the message of Jesus to be good. HOWEVER it helps, and absolutely can make someone a very good, pure, loving soul, he who has received the message of Jesus. I am not a pagan, nor do I appeal to Norse gods or any of the sort, however I do find that the message that creation is inherently good, is a more accurate version of truth then creation is inherently bad, for I don't think a good and loving god would create such a world and in the bible it is evident that he did not create such a world. The free will of humankind can create such a situation and has. In thinking about what I really wish to say and to summarize my thoughts... When Jesus said he was the truth, the way, and the life, I think he was saying god or love. I would say really my main issue of why I'm frustrated is that I don't think a loving god, being righteous even, would condemn someone to eternal damnation just because they don't follow Christianity or Jesus, especially if they were never exposed to it. This is my main argument, that it doesn't make logical sense, even having made logical sense, it would be a horrible reality which I just don't see as the reality that we live in. Wish you the best, I hope you will understand my perspective one day. *My apologies if my position isn't coherent, it is late and I am in a hurry to go to bed.*

It's a story that Augustine would never tell you.

The book that I suggested would be good. Robert F. Evans has also written some works on Pelagius that you might find useful.

@@OceanKeltoi cool. Will look into it.

@@OceanKeltoi I looked up the author and it looks like he wrote 2 to 3 books on pelagius. ?... One and holy: the church in Latin patristic thought 1. Four letters of pelagius 2. Pelagius. Inquiries and reprisals Are these the books that you would recommend? Going to put in an order for these including listening to the heartbeat of God.

Kevin Murphy i’d say they are worth looking into. Some of them are very expensive though. So do your own judgement on cost/benefit.

@@OceanKeltoi thank you, much appreciate your help and time given thus far.