you should do a debate stream of a polytheist hellenist vs pagan odinist, debating each other since youtube only essentially shows christian vs atheist vs muslim debates.

If you think the Ancient Norse Vikings, would tolerate Transsexuals, or even Homosexuals in their ranks, you are an idiot. These people worshipped STRENGTH, the rainbow crowd would be banished from their villages, racism is normal for Non Christians, ethnocentrism is in all peoples, it not right, but it is what it is.

Ready to admit you were fooled by the covid scam yet?

Ocean I fight them! Idc about who likes me or who doesn’t! You can’t condone behavior that’s morally wrong….

@@Taticalfun Morals depend on the person

@Gerrit Todd I mean adopting Loki was canonically a pretty poor decision.

@@cbo1244 I'm talking about the original Eddas and Sagas.

Bruh literal Norse/Germanic clans were all almost exclusively blood relatives/direct family what're you talking about? I mean unless you wanna' count slaves as adoption lmao.

I strongly agree, as and Icelander I was raised in a society that was (and still sometimes is) very conservative when it came to the tradition and values of our ancestors and one of the most cherished and sacred values is: Family is sacred. No matter if some one was related in blood or not, if you loved them like family, treated them like family and viewed them as family. Then they are family, and if someone dishonored or wronged one member of the family, it was viewed as a dishonor and wrong doing on all of them. Why do you think the sagas have so many blood feuds going on.

To quote Dom Torreto,"Family."

I found him yesterday. Whoops.

I am in a similar situation

Means something to me on my journey. Then I edited to add one missing letter and lost it. And thus is how it works in what we call life. The quest for the unobtainable...perfection...typically leads to going from being as close as one can get w/o being to rolling one's ass into another zip code.

Sometimes I wonder if I am replying to the intended recipient!?

With a mixed family you've got bigger problems.

Hail, and know you are, without question, most welcome in this faith

Odin in called the All-Father, not the Some-Father, after all.

Ooga booga

@@hippyjoe Booga ooga. lol

Warrior family u have.

Thanks ocean ,someone needed to tell him his views are not our views, and he really wasn't needed in the internet anyway he had nothing too teach ,no wisdom of Odin to pass on

I always felt like he was a bit show off like and i wasn't sure what i thought abt him but after this video I've made up my mind I'm glad i found ocean first

He literally has no connection to the afa, also im guessing you havent listened to his podcast he uses alot of the donations and puts it forward to buying land for a hall.

@@crushinnihilism “you’re a pagan role playing as a Viking” simply means someone who is a pagan, which can refer to a broad spectrum of different faiths, is cosplaying as a Viking, which for the Norse, was a job. So essentially you’re saying “you’re a non Christian cosplaying as a Viking, just be atheist like a rational person.” Which I assume isn’t the message you were trying to send. Im a former atheist who converted to Norse paganism. I know the general atheist view of reality(obviously there’s some differences between people since atheism is not a monolith). I know that trying to convince you of the validity of my faith is a pointless endeavor, so I will not try. Instead, I’ll say this: this comment is no different from an evangelical Christian telling us to believe what they believe. Is that the energy you want to bring to a mature discussion?

@@crushinnihilism ah, my apologies. That comment looked suspiciously evangelical so I didn’t realize you weren’t being antagonistic

"i don't OPENLY support them guys! not OPENLY!" *asks steven mcnallen about how to celebrate holidays on twitter*

It's just a serpents way of saying "your too stupid to read between the lines"

saying you don't openly support someone kind of means you openly support them though ... like, it implies you covertly support them, but obviously you just told everyone.

Well, he was a used car salesman before he got this gig, so...

@@phyllisdicks9830 I read that as "used car swordsman" XD

Totally agree.... only watched a couple of his videos... and just couldn't put my finger on what bothered me... but needless to say...don't watch his videos anymore... 🤷‍♀️

Yeah me too. The more I watched the more culty it got.

He’s giving me the vibe of someone who’s never belonged and probably was bullied and now overdoes it and gets high on power, I can’t take him seriously or respect him. Meanwhile ocean comes off as an amazing and respectable man just through his intellect and wisdom, he doesn’t have to be flashy or anything.

Isn't all religions a technical form of a cult tho, not starting an argument with anyone just my view on it

@@Cathy1864 Yeah gonna have to disagree with you there he had 2 females getting married at one of his gatherings .. but this video just seem to attack his choices of freedom like the Covid crap .. if your worried about Covid stay home .. Sorry but seems here Ocean is just punching down and twisting his words.. could Jacob have worded it better sure but .. Gender identity isn't fluid your one or the other that's biology ..

nah. calling europein ethno things racist, is racist, you wouldnt say that about other races doing the same

​@@audhumbla6927 Except you would. Paganism and Heathenry are religious in nature and not racial. We may think of it as uncommon but we don't see Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism, ect. turning away people that aren't ethnically representative of the faiths region of origin, and the same stands for Paganism and Heathenism. The AFA is at it's core a white supremacist hate group and should be recognized as such.

@@T0B3Announc3d Ur wrong. all paganism is local and specific to its people. If a native american would say that only his people can practice his belief, you wouldnt say shit, so stop having diffrent standards for whites, thats racism. Paganism is ancestral.

@@T0B3Announc3d Judaism is the most racist religion on earth lmao.

Haitian Vodoun, Santeria, Palo Mayombe are all ancestral based faiths like Norse heathenry.

You should have heard the non sense the Southern Baptist Church taught back in the 1980's regarding the 12 tribes, the lost tribes, and how the children of Noah populated the world. Such as the Danes are the descended of the tribe of Dan. Young Earth creationist fluff.

Your Jewish friend doesn’t really represent the Jewish ideology, it sounds like Zionist rhetoric to me, especially likely if she was raised in the Israeli school system where they teach the racist genetic narrative, I should know I spent time there growing up. The Ashkenazim (Slavic Jews) have used that narrative against the Mizrahim (Arab Jews) to claim ethnic superiority and establish segregated schools and neighborhoods. But there’s a reason why there’s these different “Jewish ethnic groups”, because they’re so heavily mixed with other non Semites, like Russian (Slavic) Jews, Amazigh (indigenous North African) Jews, Kurdish (Indo-Iranic) Jews, etc. these people are not even related to each other anymore. Only your mother has to be Jewish for you to be recognized, and it’s mostly the orthodox that still practice that, converts are more accepted now. The Jewish law isn’t about genetics being passed down, Judaism allows for lots mixing, it’s about upholding the cultural and religious traditions, which is a duty allocated to the mother. Many people in Europe have female Jewish ancestors, I’m German and I have them way back in my matrilineal ancestry, so by the law I could be recognized as Jewish if I wanted to, even though no one has been Jewish in my family for over 200 years. And even my best friend is half Polish (Jewish mother) and Irish, her synagogue recognizes her. And her husband is a heavily mixed Peruvian, so by Jewish law their children will be recognized as Polish-Irish-Spanish-Scottish-Quechua-Italian Jews, and will most likely be offered a “birthright” trip to Jerusalem even though they don’t have any ethnic Semitic ancestry or if they do it’s about 1% now. They would hold more genetic claim to Machu Picchu and Brú na Bóinne than to Jerusalem. That whole genetic thing is a more recent racist “one drop rule” narrative adopted by zionists to validate the colonization of the Fertile Crescent and to treat native Semitic Jews (such as Syrian Jews) like second class citizens and appropriate their specific cultures as their own. It’s equivalent to Euro-Americans being like “I’m 1/36th Cherokee so therefore I get to wear a Navajo ritual headdress”. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk

@@BunsBooks "Polish-Irish-Spanish-Scottish-Quechua-Italian-Jews" 🤣 excellent! Thanks for the reply I really wanted a differing opinion!

Because the white race is weak and being abused because of their weakness and naivety. Im Ulster Scottish and grew up in LA. There wasn't a day that went by where I wasn't reminded of my race. The most fervent antiracist "conservative" republicans who refuse to see race and to stick up for their own people seem to very densely populate the midwest and rural 99% white communities here in America. It is almost as it they have had it easy and havent had neighbors r*ped and killed. Be it Odin or Christ. Both better send me to hell for not fighting for my people.

Because there is a war on whitey. Be ashamed and breed out your race.

Hierarchy is not an issue, that is a fundamental, meaning inescapable, part of all society. The issue is what that hierarchy is based on.

​@@patrickbertlein4626im always suspicious when someone says hierarchy isn't the problem lolol you're gonna need to clarify what you mean because all hierarchies have the potential of tyranny built into the framework

@@eminentbishop1325 hierarchies are a natural part of any social structure, even if implicit. Yes, it has potential for tyranny, but it also brings order to chaos. Nothing is absolutely good or bad. There is a right dose for everything, and hierarchies are no different. A healthy hierarchy benefits everyone, while an unhealthy one turns into tyranny indeed

@@victor_bueno_br hierarchies are not natural. Its a conceptualization of reality, not reality itself. What people define as hierarchies is just a means to organize information into a definitional framework, which in itself it can limited i.e. you defining it as a natural process when hierarchy isnt something that exist in the natural world. Its not as if animals purposely organize themselves into these systems. The systems are just tools we use to simplify complex sets of data and the hard truth is that the spectrum of truth is far wider than it can intuitively seem

@@victor_bueno_br but i should say i dont necessarily disagree. Social systems seem to organize along those lines. How natural that is or a representation of a good for society i think is that gray area of discussion

I just read this comment and damn. This hit me. Thanks for your words.

@Trinity M you must be new. The "violent sheep" comment in reference to the Abrahamic religions is a common argument used by anti-theists to try to discredit religion. It is common, and thus well known, especially in the atheists spheres. (A place Ocean frequents.) I do not agree with that take as I am not an anti-theist. And obviously, I didn't exactly go into the nuance of the argument because frankly, it didn't matter. The point wasn't that the argument was valid its that anti-theists will use folkism to try to strengthen the argument. If you want to talk legitimacy of religion, we can do that. If you want to talk about harm that religion does, or harm that people do in the name of religion, we can talk about that too. But that's not the conversation being had. The conversation being had is simply that folkism gives anti-theists more ammunition to be dicks to religious people and I don't like that. So folkism needs to not. Hence no frith with folkists.

No matter where you go and no matter what group you associate with at some point you are going to run into bad people because there are good and bad in all groups. That is something you should probably keep in mind. The best thing you can do is find a group of people you can stand and hang out with them. You don't all have to think and believe the exact same things. I don't trust groupthink and hive minds myself, but as long as there is respect and open, honest communication that is the important thing.

@Trinity M Buddy. As a member of the Faith, I just have this to say: read through the post again. Properly, this time.

@Kyladescope I can vouch for Wind in the Worldtree personally. He's a good man and extremely intelligent and thoughtful in his observations.

Arith Härger

Sarenth Odinsson is good too.

Skaldi is a good one

As mentioned by others Arith Harger has great factual historical info, and he has openly addressed many of the issues talked about here regarding ancient Norse attitudes on homosexuality and gender as being nothing like AFA. If you want in depth information from a truly intelligent and kind person you’ll like him.

ou do know that Vikings didn't accept LGBT+ People, It was considered an insult, If you google the word "Eigir" you'll learn how Vikings nor Oden would accept a trans or LGBT person into asgard, You were given your gender by the gods when you were born and it should stay that way, stop trying to be special. It doenst matter what these people think, History is History and you would've been killed for you actions back in the day. You're young and ignorant, you'll grow out of it, but dont expect Allfather to turn his eye towards you until you accept who you are, which is the gender you were born with. It pisses me off that people like you "Look into Paganism" You're the ones making our religon look like a joke to the outside world and you are the reason we'll never be taken serious, If you're a man Thor will beat his hammer until you find yourself back to your masculinity and if you're a woman, may Freja guide you back to your Nurturing and Loving Feminine side. End of Discussion. Sincerely Whilliam Nilsson

and that’s what turns people away from faith, as I have, even as a straight cis male. If that is how the gods really are, they deserve nothing more than sneering contempt, and you deserve even less than that. This is how the gods really die, they simply outlive their usefulness. After all, _we_ created _them,_ not the other way around, and we just as easily snuff them out. Götterdämmerung, literally.

His name is Jacob. Idk why that makes me laugh as hard as it does.

@@proudsaiyanprince2651 I looked up what Jacob meant as a name and now I'm laughing too! :D

heaven forbid someone has a religious experience when practicing a religion. you're just an atheist LARPer.

Is being folkist akin to AFAs separatist practices? Or is it the same thing?

@@mattimus1979 Same thing

As a fellow Dane, I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing in the sagas or Eddas mention Volkish rhetoric. There are many archeological finds of Viking Corpses of other ethnicities, meaning being a Viking was more so cultural than ethnic.

As an American who just started practicing.. my sincerest apologies for my shithead country. I wanted to connect with my ancestors and find some sense of identity outside of my Christian upbringing and I’ve been utterly distrusted learning how it’s practiced here in the states. I live in the northwest, in one of the most progressive and accepting cities in the country, and everyday I see ravens. I do not think this is a coincidence. I believe the Aesir are with those who worship regardless of anything else.

@@neurohackstv5723 not to mention that there have been graves found with people who were at very least gender nonconforming if not somewhere on the transgender/non-binary spectrum.

@The Bearded Dragon gender nonconforming just refers to people who do not conform to cultural gender norms, so like a woman doing an assumed male task like joining a raiding force, they are still women. We call them tomboys nowadays. No need to be offended, it's not a new idea. Here I was quoting the interpretations of grave goods by professional archaeologists in reference to female warriors being explicitly buried with grave goods associated with male warriors and not shield maidens and regular female warriors. There have also been viking graves of non-combatant males buried in female clothing and with female-associated goods. These people may have just been defying gender roles or they may have been what we call transgender now. There have also been rare graves associated with individuals with a mix of gendered grave goods. We also know from text that Loki's gender descriptors and pronouns change when in a female form, indicating explicite gender fluidity, compared to when Thor disguised as a woman, but still referred to explicitly as male. It is hard to say much on people being explicitly transgender, nonbinary, or gender fluid, especially as these explicit descriptors are recent. There is an enormous body of evidence of what we call transgender and nonbinary people existing throughout human history in non-viking cultures. Gender variance was generally better tolerated in pre-Judeo-Christian cultures. Because of this, gender variance and gender role defiance was demonized in Judeo-Christian holy texts. Generally, if a group is not othered or demonized, humans don't come up with special words for them, since they're seen as unusual parts of the norm. (Also, the exisrence of transgender people is not a load of bull. It is well documented that there are metabolic and physical brain morphology differences between pretreatment transgender and cisgender people, biology says non-cisgender people are real). I know that the existence of transgender people is the hot new culture war, but that doesn't mean that we might possibly have existed among the viking population.

@The Bearded Dragon oh, yes, women serving in the Marines would be considered gender-nonconforming as it's not commonly expected for a woman to enter military service, and usually actively discouraged. This has nothing to do with her brain's gender or her instinctual sexual preferences.

Agreed. It's really nice to hear all this.

i agree

@@aaronhuntsman7176 yes? What do you want?

Hey, I've got a similar experience. Its like a BS detector went off listening to him.

I recommend downloading the app "Pagan and Witches Amino" its helped me.

Alikais video on this subject was recommended to me like right after a video I watched of him disturbed me. The gods know what they’re doing.

Yeah his vids seemed kinda cool at first but the more I watched the more something has started to feel a little off. At first I thought he was just a bit of a show-boating type, and he seemed maybe a bit arrogant. I had not gotten to any of his videos where he said any of the stuff sited in this video though, and just..... wow. I'm not familiar with Aliakai, I'll have to take a look at her vids.

I watched one full episode and a couple segments of his channel and had too much cringy creepy crawlies to go any further, not to mention he just sounds like a dick.

@Anglo-Saxon believing in something like gods or mythology is literally belief / faith what are you on about

you cant say, that ones practice is poor thats wrong

@Anglo-Saxon Idk why?

I have to congratulate you on being able to acknowledge where you made mistakes or didn't spot red flags. That can be really difficult. Ocean's discord (Ocean's Hold) is an excellent place to start with a solid community.

@@OrganisedChaosHere do you know how to join? I made similar mistakes for the same reasons

@@kassietheobald9165 If you look in the description of any of the omnipotent beard podcast episodes, there's a link labelled discord. That link should let you join. There's a pretty active entry point to chat in which is a few channels while the mods get a feel for you (protects us against bigots) and once you get past that point the server is a whole lot bigger.

According to a video by youtuber arith harger there's something called "Thorsatru" that he describes as a form of Norse Satanism. Check out his channel because he really knows his stuff about most all things Norse and lives in a Nordic country and though he speaks in English I am unable to tell what country he is from. He is just as knowledgeable as Dr Jackson Crawford

@Slade Viscus, you do know that Satanism is not devil-worship, right? Getting one religion in and another out doesn't happen over night. I highly doubt it was allowed, but people don't change religion like they change clothes.

@Slade Viscus so if it took wars to convert people were the two religions really allowed to be practiced together? The Catholic Church at the time was pretty clear in its stance.

@Slade Viscus cool. That's interesting. I don't know much about Scandinavian history tbh. The cluster of islands west of Scandinavia I call home is my forte 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 I do know a bit about satanism however, I saw you asked higher up. Satanism is generally a non theistic philosophy based around self sovereignty and rebellion against non serving dogmatic beliefs or institutions. Satan is just used an archetype that embodies those values.

@Slade Viscus Sometimes our ancestors allied or traded with the gods, but they didn't have to submit to them. 'Trua á eigin mákt og megin' once meant: 'Believing in ones own might and power'. It is a concept found in the sagas that meaning one was not limited by the Gods nor necessarily forwarded by them, though they were acknowledged as supreme 'other than human beings'. Thetefor, Follow your path with confidence like our ancestors did. ;)

BTW, I think mostly ancestors matter most when you know/remember them specifically. I do not know King Harold, other than stories, so... what would this matter if I was relation without knowledge of that ancestor specifically?

I think the problem here is even AFA say you do you and i do me, they do not seek to impose their worldview on anyone but themselves, they just want to remain separate and isolated like many faiths, especially Native American ones which were a big influence on McNallen. This video condemning them however is trying to force other people to conform with their beliefs and worldview

@@fritjofvalerijs800 I agree. If a bunch of people want to form a spiritual or religious group that excludes certain people, ok; let them. As long as they're not forcing people to join them and don't abuse or attack others, I see no problem. I feel that attacking these sort of groups only validates, in their eyes, any concerns or fears they may have. If they want to separate themselves from others, peacefully, let them. In a way, making videos condemning a group I probably would not have found out about otherwise is just free advertising for them.

@@kalinora3901 Interesting view which should be discussed at a table, because I do see your point as well as I can understand ppl feeling threatened by this group. I'm with you though that I wouldn't have heard about the AFA most likely without some of Ocean's videos and me personally, I couldn't care less about them.

The issue with this is when honoring your ancestors turns into thinking that your skin color makes you superior to every different skin color out there. Groups like the AFA with racially exclusionist philosophies rarely stop at 'merely' being exclusionist, and often act as a foundation to more extremist views and possible activities; it's not a coincidence that many members of the AFA have also been found to be members of more radical Volkish and supremacist organizations (and are a big reason for the rise of heathen symbols among neo-Nazi and fascist groups).

Lol. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.

@@FableIVGaming It does, softy.

@Bean Oak There is nothing intelligent about you! (Ocean struck a nerve, snowflake?)

"intimidating" LOL

Hey wookie, I'd stick to that ,these organisations are just nuts

@The Wookie Good focus, my friend! That's my own, as well.

Same bro because when things become huge and organized things branch out and big problems occur just keeping doing what your doing be yourself by yourself is the best way.

This is the first instance of the AFA being brought to my attention as well and I am deeply disturbed that they have such an appaling view of this kind. Honestly I was unaware that issues of this kind existed in heathen society.

@@sabeydanielgmailcom I'm kinda the same. I was aware that the NatSocs and WS had seized some symbols and used the Gods in "heretical ways" but I wasn't aware of a formal organisation doing it until I watched this

I don't understand this at all. Every single compendium of sagas is going to have at least one that explicitly talks about blonde or red hair and fair skin as beautiful features. Phylogeny is literally embedded into the literature at even the most obvious levels. There's even a story about a mother who can't love her son because he's born with dark skin but loves him when his curse is lifted and turns white lmao

@@Arnaere Carl Jung wrote a published essay explaining how during WW2, The German people and leaders were the embodiment of Wodenaz in soul, spirit, and physicality. These people will never feel true POWER of Wodan, because they suppress him under the name of being "non - racist" or "diverse". Sorry, but Native European (WHITES) can have their native religion too. I will not apologize for any of that.

@@no_name1107 I wasn't aware of Jung's work on that matter. That's interesting!

@@Arnaere what story?

If it was black people, or people of color saying the same thing, would you have a problem with it? If not then you are a racist. You cannot be against One race, and not all of them or you are a racist. Racism is the hateful focus on race, and that's what all of you are doing right now. There is no such thing as inherent racism LOL that's ridiculous. That means anyone that tries to promote their own race makes them a racist? No you're saying just white people and that makes you a racist.

Someone doesn't know their own mythology then. For example when Loki turned himself into a female horse and gave birth to Sleipner, Odin's eight-legged horse. It doesn't seem very LGBT-unfriendly.

@@georgegrimnirsson2017 well, it's a social group and have a structure so... what's the problem? Of course it's different from having a real life group but it's still a way of studying and socialize.

Hey, just wanted to say don't worry about that troll trolling your group structure. They probably have no social life to speak of at all 😂

@@1987ashgriff Agreed.

@@aidanpaim805 Just was going to ask if you had joined Ocean's discord yet, I'd like to know more about this group.

Look, some pagans are pro LGBTQ while some are anti LGBTQ

Welcome! I'm not new but I'm part lgbtq as well. Glad to see more Lgbtqia+ coming into heathenry, you don't stand alone in this!

@@dapperspaghettimonster also there was this capitol rioter that is heathen I think and hes a republican. Also the Nazis were very supportive of paganism since they liked their roots.

@@dapperspaghettimonster thank you so much !

@@Hazelthenerd please don't ignore my comment you ignorant

Well then you are not learning, just joining the mobs.

SO SAY WE ALL. 100%

As another trans person, I couldn't agree more!

There is no room for Transphobia in paganism

@@-Fapologist- there is no room for transphobia, period.

@@switchkill88 🤥🤥🕍✡️🕎👖🔥

Yeah, this was new to me yesterday. As I learn more... I'm like.... fuck, another racist asshat.

What's wrong with pride in one's people?

@@userfriendly9794 Even though you are a troll, I'm going to respond. Nobody said there was anything wrong with "pride in your people", and you know that. What you just said is a strawman and clearly arguing in bad faith. My people come in all different colors, shapes, sizes, sexual and gender orientations, religions, not-religions, outlooks on life, lifestyles, careers, even social classes. I judge people based upon who that are, their deeds, thoughts, feelings, desires, certainly not the amount of Melanin in their skin. Like what the hell, man? You are dumb enough to imply it but aren't honest enough to just say it. I see. The rest of the commenters see it. It's not clever. It's dumb and dishonest. Stop. Do better, or stay out of conversations when adults are talking. There. Now sit down and shut up.

@@userfriendly9794 Who are your people? All people are my people. My people first lived in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Since then, they've spread throughout the world. Some of them are good people and some of them are bad. However, their morality, intelligence, and goodness has nothing to do with their skin color, gender, or religion.

@@HeathWatts Ohh... morality have to do with religion, in som religion its ok to hit your wife and in other its not ok to hit your wife.

Which "inaccurate information" exactly?

@@alfredharrison597 pretty much everything. All the information he quotes from either come from outdated books with outdated innacurate information or is his personal take on aspects of the faith that don't match to what the history and texts state. And worse he is racist.

@@luchadorelmachomalo Oh no not the 'R' word. Pretty much everything in heathenry and paganism is peoples interpretations and opinions on text that even the oldest, were second and third hand accounts of stories

hell yes hail to ocean keltoi

If you want to learn about what Norse paganism/heathenism/whateverism is all about, in simple, fairly approachable language, look up Dr Jackson Crawford. If there was a way to direct message me, I'd invite you to do that (if you know how, then go for it). I'll talk about what I know with you til we're blue in the face; I don't give a damn about people's politics anymore (everyone is wrong about *something*, so whatever). I'm also tired of politics coming up, and there definitely seems to be this vibe of "iNcLuSiViTy YaY" out there and it's getting kind of old; why can't people just *be* and hammer on somewhere? Anyway! Sorry for the ramble; it's been a long day. Havamal, Prose and Poetic Eddas, Dr Jackson Crawford, May K Hella (both are on KZfaq, and I don't think they bother with even vaguely political stuff).

I didn't know racism was political

@@alibolink0719 When a certain political group of people vehemently use it as a defense mechanism and use it as a label, it becomes political. Not difficult to wrap your head around.

@@MrComputerCoder Oh no I agree. But racism as a concept isn't inherently political

Just ran across one of these videos at random on YT thought it was interesting and wanted to know more. So I clicked the icon next to the name Ocean Keltoi which took me to his specific YT channel. From there I watch the vids I find interesting, informative, &&/|| entertaining!

Hello there ,may i ask you ,are you still into norse religion?

@@user-mk3zm6fe4s yes

@@user-mk3zm6fe4s yes I am

Are white people not allowed to have anything for themselves? Everything we have has to be partially available to nonwhites? Seems racist and hateful.

@@piglice4585 Well explain why it has to be a white only religion. No other religion in the world restricts white people from religion. I see white in most religion if not all and they dont bitch. SO YOU DO YOU NEED A RELIGION ALL FOR YOURSELF?!?! Theres already group for that called the KKK.

@@piglice4585 Hail the gods and worry about your own standing with them... No better than an extreme liberal telling people how they should and shouldn't live. Live ya own fucking life and worry about yourself. Do you even attempt to actually worship these gods or do you use the gods to spread your racist hate. Not wise fella not wise.

@@user-gm8lz5ni3l Be it Christ or Odin. Both know what is in my heart and I know what is right. I would be a liar and unkind to tell you I felt the white race is not something worth preserving as unique from the rest of the world. And all of our creations and traditions with us my friend. Be it Christ or Odin. Both know I would be a coward if I wasn't willing to fight for this cause that I know is just. If you believed in "living ya own fucking life" you wouldn't be religious in any way shape or form and you wouldn't be correcting my belief.

@@piglice4585 welp okay then keep on ruining it for the rest of us. I'm pretty far from woke and don't support the movements but I for sure am not about to sit here and think I'm special over skin color. I'm white as hell myself but I'm not about to tell any black person or Spanish person or Asian person or any person they can't follow the faith and call them selves Asatru. I have a hard time believing your this his holy warrior of white. IM LEANING MORE TOWARDS DELUSIONAL WHITE BOY WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT THEMSELVES. It some how hurts you if a person of color worships Odin which I'm not sure I have even met one have you. You special white people ruin it for all us other white people who actual give sacrifice, time, devotion, effort. It seems your more interested in being superior than worshipping any gods. I'm tired of everyone thinking I'm racist because I worship Odin. It's because of you idiots they even feel that way. But it's okay. I'll keep informing people you don't have to be a racist dick to worship the Asier and you sure as hell don't have to be white... Like Ocean here.

they don't care about your woke cancel culture.

The whole point of paganism is that it's exclusive. There is nothing wrong with exclusivity. Pagans are interested in reawakening the religion in their own people but they are not interested in preaching and spreading the belief system around the world to Africans, Asians and South Americans.

It is entirely based on race you fool...its a native european tradition! This isn't Christianity

@@zekun4741 you are correct sir

Yeah cuz that's the important part guy

Okay let's say for a minute you were correct here (Ignoring the part that our modern conceptions of "white" did not exist during the height of Norse pagan religion), why would that justify being against interracial "activities" in our modern world?

I’m the exact same as you, but glad I know this info now so I don’t waste my time as a new pagan

I'm in the same boat. I even recommend him and I've just finished sharing this video with those people and hope they follow suit and stop support him.

Same. I've been on this path for 11 years and stumbled across Jacob's work a few months ago. I've watched the majority of his videos but had not listened to the podcasts, and I am not active on twitter, so I missed this troubling information. I'm sure Ocean ended up in my recommends because of WoO, and I'm wary of new sources but his "Viking puppers" video won me over :D Yes, Fenrir is a good doggo. I've since subscribed here and been exploring the channel - and honestly I've actively avoided this video while I determined whether I felt I could trust Ocean's content. Here I am, and I am shocked and dismayed. I have enjoyed Jacob's conversational style and the relative safety and casual nature of his video topics (something I can watch without feeling the overwhelming urge to take notes). Not sure I'll stay there much longer, at minimum I won't be recommending his work to anyone until he speaks out on this topic

The very literature as recorded, or even quoted from the Christian clerics, is explicitly racist. If you didn't play Skyrim you would be advocating the burning of the Sagas.

We never asked for your frith liberal

@@runemasterhariwulfaz5267 Be my runemaster.

@@Arnaere always :)

Nothing, white people have a right to exist This guy is antiwhite

I really agree with your point about requiring (monetary) contribution to be part of the community. It frankly feels like the start of a cult, and people should be very, VERY careful about that kind of thing. From an outsiders perspective, WoO is setting himself up as a figurehead

@@TheLizander Yes because people who dont agree with YOUR worldview (or others) are cultists. Got it!

@@alfredharrison597 lmao, you could interpret what I said that way, I suppose. That just kind of shows how defensive you’re feeling though. Gate keeping philosophy or religion through financial means instantly pollutes the movement. Furthermore, he’s creating an echo chamber that selects for people who are willing to pay him money.. That’s about as bad as the televangelists who sell tap water through the TV. WoO is in a more complicated position than other personality or even philosophy based KZfaq channels. Heathens have generally rejected mainstream religion & everything that goes along with it. Why is he trying to commercialize information and community, like the christians have with their faith? Until WoO proves that the money donated is going to the construction of his hall, and not his own living expenses, I’ll maintain my position.

@@TheLizander So because I throw shade BACK AT YOU im being "defensive"? How about I say all of you are attacking and being antagonistic wanting to call out this guy for not doing something you want him to do. He doesnt owe any goddamn one of you an excuse about anything, yet you all act like he does. YOU ALL are being divisive, YOU ALL are being toxic, YOU ALL are attacking this individual and yet he has not said ONE FUCKING WORD ABOUT ANY OF YOU. Before you throw shade on someone for not living up to you expectations, LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR FOR ONCE.

That’s closer to the truth than you might think. Germans are having less babies, and most of the immigrants are Turks and Arabs, who do have big families. Simple math, like it or not. I am not saying we should kick them out or discriminate against them, but that does not change the fact that he is more right than wrong.

@@Anonymous-sq6eo quick question: how do you define "German" - and would you say the melanin content of your skin says anything about how German you are? (edit: not trying to put words in your mouth - but at least in the context of the video it seems that German (or European for that matter) equals white.) That aside. Germans having less babies (as in: the birthrate dropped to about 1.5) is true. most of the immigrants being Turks or Arabs is, however, wrong. Most of the immigrants are Romanians, followed by Poles, Bulgarians, Italians, Kroatians and then it's perople from Syria and Turkey. (Germans re-immigrating to Germany excluded). (quick look at the national statistics, 2019). Now, it is a question / a point of discussion / a claim that pops up every so often and while I would intuitively agree with hamanime 'well, I have a gut feeling' isn't an argument. So allow me to think out loud for a moment as I try to find a better reply. Only looking at the immigration (as opposed to the saldo; immigrants from an area minus emigrants to that area) (2020): of 1.6-ish million about 1.2m are from Europe (of which about 40k are from Turkey and about 20k from Russia). Now, not axactly sure who 'the Turks' are - if it's just Turkey or also other nations in that area. So I'll leave that open. As for 'the Arabs' I suppose you mean 'the Arab world' adding the immigration numbers from those 22 states we arrive at ~125k (with the most coming from Syria and Iraq) and it includes those whose nationality is unclear, unknown or who don't have one (total of ~10k). Afaik immigration is also not tied to acquiring the German nationality - the only ones not included are those who are 'waiting on their status' as what I think is now called a "regular migrant" (aka someone showing up at the immigration office with all the needed documents and is waiting to be entered in the 'residence registry' - no idea if that's how it's actually called. But you have to tell the state where your place of residence in Germany is.) - those registered as refugees / applying for the status as a refugee seem to be counted as formally their residence in Germany is whatever facility they stay at. Granted, the German-wide average of mothers-of-not-German-nationality is ~25% (2019) but given the above numbers I would assume the majority of those 25% are from other European countries. www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration/_node.html www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Wanderungen/Publikationen/Downloads-Wanderungen/wanderungen-2010120187004.pdf?__blob=publicationFile (only German though)

@@Anakianaj Generically European, German...stop the bullshit. Europeans are being bullied with socialists opening the gates of false prosperity to wild illegals who could care less about our culture. It's only to destroy our sovereignty

@@Fatelovesirony960 look, I'm open to have a discussion. but if you make an argument, please support it with facts and evidence from credible sources. My line of thinking is that generally people tend to be biased in some way and looking at the numbers can put things into perspective. If of the over a million and a half people that immigrate to Germany (which includes those whose status is so far unclear afaik) only a faction are not from the OECD countries (as in their nationality) then there's really not much else to say about it. Except you have some information that I don't have and would be kind enough to share your sources with me?

It's not just the document tho. Sure, by outward posts and appearances he seems very inclusive. The problem is he remains vague in his statements. Also he allegedly has friends he wants to be in his circle for either the sake of money or unity. These members seemed secretive or being on the DL for their views. Why keep people with unsavory views in the community even if they're just simply lurking? Why hasn't he gone into depth of the issues with AFA besides them being "too formal"? In fact, why is it community members defending him against criticism as oppose to him giving out a statement? Yeah there's a community post, but why isn't continuous or enforced? Thank you for denouncing tho.

You should check out Aliakais recent video on him because some of your claims about what he does and does not support do not seem accurate based on his actual documented actions. And for someone you claim is inclusive he seems surprisingly incapable of categorically condemning the AFA for their bigotry. In fact he wasn't even capable of condemning them at all. His actual statement makes it pretty clear that he actually does support them, he's just not going to be open about it because of might scare people like yourself away and he'd lose some of that sweet patreon grift money.

You know that whole "NPC" meme that the liberal left hates so much? Well, you are seeing that meme live and in the flesh right here, right now, in these youtube comments. Someone who is a "prominent figure in this movement" decided to attack someone else because they didnt do what they were expected to do and all the nice little yes men and women and followers who have no critical thought of their own are bowing their heads and nodding in compliance and repeating the mantra "WoO racist, orange man bad!". Don't believe me? JUST READ THESE COMMENTS! Its almost like its the same script with words changed around ever so slightly to make you THINK its all different people, but how can it be different people WHEN ITS A HIVEMIND MENTALITY!

@@Vivi2372 "...on his actual documented actions?" WHAT ACTIONS? WHY ARE PEOPLE "DOCUMENTING" WHAT THIS GUY IS DOING? FOR FUCKS SAKE!

I am not a racist, white supremist or any of that bullshit, it doesnt state anywhere that the vikings were racist so nor will i, However you do know that Vikings didn't accept LGBT+ People, It was considered an insult, If you google the word "Eigir" you'll learn how Vikings nor Oden would accept a trans or LGBT person into asgard, You were given your gender by the gods when you were born and it should stay that way, stop trying to be special. It doenst matter what these people think, History is History and you would've been killed for you actions back in the day. You're young and ignorant, you'll grow out of it, but dont expect Allfather to turn his eye towards you until you accept who you are, which is the gender you were born with. It pisses me off that people like you "Look into Paganism" You're the ones making our religon look like a joke to the outside world and you are the reason we'll never be taken serious, If you're a man Thor will beat his hammer until you find yourself back to your masculinity and if you're a woman, may Freja guide you back to your Nurturing and Loving Feminine side. End of Discussion. Sincerely Whilliam Nilsson

Just unsubbed after watching Ali's video

Question: why should there be a LGBTQ board?

@@Anonymous-sq6eo Because LGBTQ pagans exist and were part of the discord. Don't they deserve to have a place to post about being LGBTQ and Pagan.

@@TheNibNerd are LGBTQ doing things differently? If not, why is it necessary to have it?

the one this video is slandering is perfect.

Exactly the issue

All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good folk to do nothing

@@Project_Algiz read up on McNallen's theories on heathenry and race and come back to me

yup. dr. king’s famous letter from birmingham jail heavily condemn the white moderate, even saying that the klan and brutal cops aren’t the “true” enemies-that the people who say that they’re “politically moderate/indifferent,” the ones who say they agree with your goal but can’t support your methods, are the enemies. silence is violence.

@@Project_Algiz Shame there doesn't seem to be a forthcoming response to this post. I'm kind of new to it all, but I'd like to know what the issue with implicit or even explicit in-group preference is. As far as I see it, from this video the AFA don't seem to advocate violence towards other people. If they do, I'd very much like to be informed.

Wolf the Red is a personal friend of mine and a good heathen content creator. He also has another video on Wisdom of Odin if you want to look deeper into the subject. I'd also suggest Arith Harger if you want longform content. Celtic Aalie has been making some good celtic polytheism related content, and I'd also look into the Heathen Wyrdos.