PENTAX 17: half frame, half cost

PENTAX 17: half frame, half cost - double fun?

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It's here: The Pentax 17, the brand new film camera brought out in 2024. I was one of the lucky people to receive this camera before the official release and in this video I will share my honest opinion on the camera.
Once again: Thank you Pentax for sending me the camera to play with it beforehand! ‪@pentax.film.photography‬
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@teocrawford 9 күн бұрын

Lovely video Karin! I agree, I mainly love the move by Pentax. I also don’t see eye to eye with a couple of their choices but the fact they pulled this off alone is so cool and I really hope it’s a success so that it can fund a future SLR maybe😏

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks so much Teo! :) I couldn't agree more, I also think it's the re-entry into film and if all things go right more things might come in the future. Looking forward to seeing your results with the camera ☺️

@davidwoods80 10 күн бұрын

I'm thrilled to see that you released this video the same day all the 'big' channels are fawning over the new Nikon. To me, this camera is more important to the camera industry than the release of another overly complex mirrorless -- I mean, its a NEW FILM CAMERA, and I'm pleased to see it's more sophisticated than the full-auto point-and-shootI was expecting. The half-frame decision was a brilliant move on the part of Pentax, and I can also see a definite niche for it in a camera shop, siting between cheesy instant cameras and low-end digitals.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

I am totally with you, I also think it's a very important camera for the future of film, so I am super excited it's out now and people actually react to it. And yes, I also think half frame was a clever move since it's intuitive for younger photographers yet a fun challenge for photographers who are more used to landscape orientation viewfinders.

@wibbley1 9 күн бұрын

Yep, it is a shame much of the press coverage will be on the nikon, rather than a new film camera. I Don't like the battery cover on the Pentax. I can see that screw working loose & loosing both the cover & the screw. They both should have been captive. Second thing is the price. Way too expensive. It will sure limit the market. Good automatic point & shoot can be purchased for under £10 on ebay. It is also rathe complex, with some features working in some modes & not in others, the little LEDs, which one has to remember what they are saying. The zone focusing will likely be forgotten by many when taking a photo.

@Uwe_Ludolf 9 күн бұрын

Depends on your bubble, I have no clue which Nikon you are talking about 😉

@williamlasl 9 күн бұрын

@@Uwe_LudolfExactly. On my feed there are over half a dozen influencers pushing out a video on this camera on the same day. 😁

@Uwe_Ludolf 9 күн бұрын

@@williamlasl Time to clean up maybe 😜

@highlander200107 9 күн бұрын

From my understanding, it is just the beginning, however, the next step depends on the success of this one, which is why I am choosing to purchase one.

@tedphillips2951 10 күн бұрын

I like it. I think it opens up a whole new way for creativity!

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

That sums it up nicely!

@antnguyen 10 күн бұрын

"It's time." LOL I'm glad that it's finally time.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Hahhaha gotcha 😂

@robstammers7149 5 күн бұрын

This camera is worth every cent being asked for it, it's a new beginning, digital has become sort of boring and way out too expensive. The Pentax 17 is going to be a big seller, let's stop being too critical. I too use a variety of 'old' 35mm film cameras, mainly Canon, but these won't last forever. I have a feeling Pentax may have something else up their sleeve. Exciting times ahead at last, ❤

@bansheep1 9 күн бұрын

Absolutely beautiful!

@c.baumeister8967 9 күн бұрын

Danke. Thank you. Top report!

@nick-w 9 күн бұрын

Freut mich voll dass du einer der KZfaqrin bist, welche die Pentax so früh schon vorstellen darf! Sehr verdient.

@dr.seltsam1975 9 күн бұрын

Schön das Du wieder da bist ☺️ ✌🏻

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Finde ich auch, danke dir! :)

@AdHocVisions 9 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the Pentax 17. I’m considering getting one myself and think it’s an amazing camera. I’m glad you covered many of the points I’ve been thinking about. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to seeing more of your future videos.

@jeffchum_photo 9 күн бұрын

Love the video and images as always Karin.

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thank you so much! :)

@Manoloelgomo 10 күн бұрын

OMG, I'm so glad you got to test this camera!

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Me too! Thank you so much :)

@Mamotreco 10 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experiences! This looks tasty and quirky in all the right ways! Your photos are lovely. This hopefully leads to more new film cameras with interesting designs and features!

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words, I appreciate it a lot! :)

@andreschulze988 9 күн бұрын

Die Kamera ist der Hammer - Preis ist gerechtfertigt allein was die Entwicklung kostet und mal ehrlich eine neue echte vernünftige Kamera in 2024 -Hammer

@mibnsharpals 5 күн бұрын

aber ehrlich , da hol ich mir lieber eine eine klassische und lasse sie ( ev. ) überholen.

@gclip9883 5 күн бұрын

Auch wenn der Preis prinzipiell gerechtfertigt ist, sind 550€ schon nicht wenig im Vergleich zu älteren Filmkameras. Für 150€ kann man durchaus schon eine Kamera plus Objektiv bekommen. Man hätte also 400€ gespart. Nehmen wir für eine Rolle Film plus Entwicklung einen Preis von 18€, dann ist der break-even-point bei 950€ oder 1600 Bildern. Erst dann wäre die Fotographie mit der Pentax 17 günstiger. Klar, man könnte sich auch eine teurere Kamera holen, dann käme dieser Punkt schon früher. Aber für die Zielgruppe, also Hobbyisten die nur ab und zu Fotos machen, erscheint mir das nicht gerade ökonomisch. Trotzdem finde ich es super, dass wieder neue Analog-Kameras hergestellt werden. (Wir brauchen unbedingt eine neue XPAN) EDIT: Gerade ist mir aufgefallen, wie teuer inzwischen manche Farbfilme sind. Man könnte den Preis also locker doppeln. Dann wäre man entsprechend schon bei 800 Bildern auf dem gleichen Level. Allerdings sind das immer noch eine ganze Menge Fotos.

@andreschulze988 3 күн бұрын

@@gclip9883 darum geht es nicht habe selbst über Rollei, Leica knapp 50 Kameras - aber neu ist neu. Es geht auch darum es war die letzte Möglichkeit Wissen weiterzugeben wie Pentax erklärte. Die Entwicklung im Bereich Belichtung ging ja weiter und alte CDS Teile fangen langsam an zu altern und die Elektronik der 1980 - 1990er wird nicht ewig halten. Kenne genug junge Menschen die erst nach der 5 Kamera ein funktionierendes Modell erwischen.

@andreschulze988 3 күн бұрын

@@gclip9883 eine XPAn würde heute wie eine Leica M6 liegen ... und da kommt doch schon das Geheule es kostet Geld.

@andreschulze988 3 күн бұрын

@@mibnsharpals kostet auch Geld lass mal eine Leica überholen + Objektive.

@WesleyVerhoevePhotography 10 күн бұрын

Really nice Karin! I loved the results I got with this camera and the experience of shooting it. Glad you did as well!

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment Wesley, I appreciate it! Glad to hear you liked your experience and results as well :)

@PhilKnall 10 күн бұрын

It's here! So great to finally see it. I kinda love that clunky design.

@PhilKnall 10 күн бұрын

I really want to try it out now, but I'm scared of how long it will take me to finish the rolls 😅

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Me too actually! I liked the design more than I initially thought. And yes, the rolls will live in the camera for quite a while haha

@Nick_r 10 күн бұрын

I have an Olympus Pen FT half frame camera and it cost a similar amount of money used. For you that might be a better option as it has interchangeable lenses, fully manual aperture and shutter speed. I do understand the target market for the Pentax but it seems rather expensive though.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

I have been thinking about getting a half frame camera for a while now and I have actually looked at the Pen a view times haha. Since I have the Pentax 17 now I will get more familiar with the half frame format. I will give this camera a more long term trial and see how much I can get adjusted to the auto modes - but maaaaybe in the future I might return to glancing at the Pen FT haha

@Nick_r 10 күн бұрын

@@KarinMajoka For a carry round quick shooter I’m sure the Pentax is fine, if a bit on the large side for a pocket. See how it goes but suspect you may get frustrated with it. Also the Pen F/FT won’t depreciate now, so you can at least get your money back if you decide to sell 😉 I suspect the Pentax will lose 50% pretty quickly.

@rumrill5020 10 күн бұрын

Pen FTs are great, but I’ve had a hard time finding relatively inexpensive copies without issues.

@cjflv 10 күн бұрын

A pen FT with a 25mm F4 that actually works like new is going to run at least $400. Most of them are going to have problems and need servicing, so add another $100.

@Nick_r 9 күн бұрын

@@cjflv Very true, so works out much the same price as the Pentax and could gain value over time rather than depreciate. I think the Pen range have hit the lowest and are very much gaining value. My black working condition FT is now worth a lot more than I paid a few years ago.

@mhaustria Күн бұрын

Just found your channel. Great content, videos and views about analog photography! Looking forward to your next videos!

@TheFribos 8 күн бұрын

Your intro gave me goose bumps! Alltough i already knwew about the Pentax17. Im still in doubt. Buying it or not. I probably will buy it because it is such a relevant move by Ricoh for the entire filmcommunity. The more people shooting film, the better the filmprices will be (i hope). Thanks for your review!

@bananaskin7527 5 күн бұрын

Thank you. I'm an old noob when it comes to Auto modes. Have fun. Thank you for your review. It's good that Ricoh Pentax have provided this NEW opportunity to shoot film.

@DaveEtchells 8 күн бұрын

Great review, thanks! I'm SO happy to see this hitting the market! I've been following the project closely since the beginning (see interviews by me on PetaPixel and DP Review). I'm an old-school photo guy, never used a camera without full manual control, but immediately put in an order for the Pentax 17, and haven't been this excited about a new camera announcement for the last 20 years. I think it's going to be *fun* to shoot with, am looking forward to taking it on an upcoming trip to Japan. (FWIW, I think they're going to sell tons of them, despite the price. Obviously not all of them, but I think a lot of the Gen-Z target market will find the reliability and warranty well worth it.)

@JamieMPhoto 10 күн бұрын

You got to test it!! Amazing!!

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

It was a bit of a tight schedule but I am happy it worked out :)

@JamieMPhoto 10 күн бұрын

I have to say I am impressed overall, though very concerned about my ability to guess the distances. I feel like this is a skeleton of a full SLR, too (which would explain the size). I'm fairly certain I would buy it if I could create the budget for it ... but also I feel like the Mint camera fits my use case a bit more. I do think I would trust this over most P&S and half-frame cameras off the used market, too. $500-$600 on a T4 might yield full 35mm frames, but it's also so risky at this point. I feel like this is better than my Canon Multi-format P&S or the Samurai half frame, too. The Olympus Mju II also feels far too fragile despite currently costing less, and offers less control. The price is definitely a tricky point ... But a great review!

@kaushikchatterjee9137 9 күн бұрын

Just beautiful.Feelling memorable good old day's.very glad to see this modern film camera(half frame).I have K3.but I love this film camera from pentax.

@neeravnaik 9 күн бұрын

Loving this camera! Also good on Pentax for including creators like you and giving them free rein. Sure some things like focusing could have been better. But the design and operations seems overall quite good. I enjoy half frame format and goes well with those who like to document their life and shoot freely. I feel this is a good sustainable way to build a whole lineup of film cameras

@onocoffee 9 күн бұрын

"Leica M6? Nah, too boring."

@ankitchauhancr7 10 күн бұрын

Upload after a long time! Missed the content

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks! I actually missed making videos too, I was traveling for a while and could not work on anything. However, recorded a lot of new videos on the trip that I will start working on soon :)

@gabeatv 10 күн бұрын

That intro, though 🔥

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thank you :)

@djpikul 9 күн бұрын

Eine interessante Kamera, welche ich mir sofort kaufen würde, wenn der Preis nicht wäre ;) Für mein Empfinden ist die Kamera ca. 200€ zu teuer. Sehe das ähnlich: Gen Z kann sich die Kamera vermutlich nicht leisten und die Leute, welche bereits im Thema drin stecken, wollen sich die Kamera nicht leisten, weil das Preis/Leistungsverhältnis schwierig ist. Die kommende Rollei 35AF finde ich deutlich interessanter. Eine Kamera welche wirklich fehlt, ist eine Premium Kleinbild Kamera, wie die Voigtländer Bessa Serie, also eine neue Leica ohne Leica Preis. Die hatten echt ein schlechtes Timing mit der Produktionseinstellung der R3M & R4M.

@StuartWeir 9 күн бұрын

That intro was so great haha

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Haha, thank you!

@igeisendoerfer 10 күн бұрын

Interesting camera, I see where they are coming from, but agree the price is off. Thanks for the great introduction.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for your comment, I appreciate it :)

@Qicksilver0075 7 күн бұрын

I just think the price is crazy. I shot half frame cameras back in the freaking '80s and '90s and they were considered a joke camera back then. The idea that I can get fully loaded Canon AE-1 kit for less then that. That being said I can see exactly what they're going for. All the kids shooting on their phone getting into 35 this is literally the best opportunity you're going to have.

@williamlasl 9 күн бұрын

Glad to see the focus scale has actual distances on the bottom instead of just mysterious hieroglyphics on top. 😅 Although with no way of controlling or knowing the aperture and hence depth of field, it’ll be a somewhat mysterious zone focusing experience as well.

@_virtualVS 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Pentax for that price tag making me definitely get an Alfie Tych now.

@alexcarrillo5510 9 күн бұрын

It is a Nice Camera, bu I still love my 1968 Olympus Pen, and my 1983 Konica AF-35 model, as even I am glad that Pentax/Ricoh brought back a film model, along with the Rollei 35AF (Coming Soon) as I hope that Canon, and Nikon will think twice in making compact Film Cameras again like the Nikon 28Ti and the 35Ti, and the Canon QL-III again....

@fellowcitizen 9 күн бұрын

Very pleased about this, and it's been my plan for several years to get the film Pen F as a half-frame. I'll get one when I get the chance, though, I've a backlogue of cameras and lenses which I want, so at that price it will probbaly stay on the backburner for a long time. I'm excited that Pentax is doing this, and I'm tracking all their film projects. I'm on L-mount these days, but still have my Fujis, and I'm superkeen to use Voigtlaenders with a future X-Pro4 -- please contact Fuji and ask to be a pre-reviewer for that when it finally happens. Thanks again!

@stephenlumsden280 9 күн бұрын

Good point about the niche group. I have 2 rangefinders with lenses, a praktica SLR , 3 TLRs, but may take this up for a pocket carry around camera, where I do not need a separate light meter and can take as many photos as I want

@rlaclaos0619 10 күн бұрын

Haha fascinating intro😂😂😂

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thank you 😬

@ManyDoors777 4 күн бұрын

I think its a proper half-frame camera, but unfortunately what a lot of new comers to film won't know about half-frame is that costs almost twice as much to have it developed and scanned by a lab, as it would regular 35mm. I hope Pentax tries again, this time with a regular 35mm camera. Pretty cool, though!

@barteklipski6270 10 күн бұрын

Glad to see you have had your hands on this and shared your experience! The price is a bit of a bummer but I'm intrigued by this camera. Looks like a great tool for making diptychs. Btw I heard that top and bottom plates of the camera are made of magnesium alloy, so build quality shouldn't be that bad

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment! Yes, you are right the top and bottom plate are indeed magnesium alloy (we did not get too many info ahead of time and to be honest after the unboxing it just felt like plastic lol) so it should be sturdy enough

@DirtyPlumbus 5 күн бұрын

Being manual wind, can you do double exposures?

@Thorpal 10 күн бұрын

At 300€ max, yeah why not but not a priority. At 550€ I'd rather by an Olympus pen and spend the rest of the money to by and process film. But I'm glad Pentax is doing that move, it's their style and place in the photo industry to do what other manufacturers would never try. And I'm amazed to see they are still alive...

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Very valid perspective, thank you for sharing your thoughts :)

@petercooper9054 8 күн бұрын

I nearly dropped my coffee when you said the price. I agree with the comment on the Olympus pen. I have a few and love them. I'm lucky enough to be able to service cameras and boy do they need a service after so long. I understand that Pentax had to start somewhere to get the ball rolling but for that price and being an experienced photographer I could get into medium format. I'm servicing many Kodak retinas folding cameras which when working correctly are an amazing camera. Shoot me a message if anyone is interested in a properly serviced camera. I have leotax. Nicca type 5 with new shutter curtains. Voightlander Vito's many models of Kodak retinas and retinettes, Zeiss ikon l. Mamiya 6 etc

@DaveEtchells 8 күн бұрын

The big factor, especially for the film newbies this is aimed at is that it's brand new, trouble free and has up to a 3 year warranty. (At least here in the US; you get the extended warranty by buying a kit that comes with two rolls of film, coupons for free processing them and the warranty. Subtracting the value of the film and processing, it works out to about $45 for the 2 additional years of warranty.)

@petercooper9054 8 күн бұрын

@@DaveEtchells that's good that's it's 3 years..most young people would have no idea how to CLA a camera. I was one of them.swopping a shoe box with two cameras inside and in pieces because I could not put them back together. My tutor at college gave me a box of photographic paper for them!! Now I'm older I can do the repairs and service so for the young people getting into photography it's a win win situation for them.

@cubax26 10 күн бұрын

Karin, great video. Wonderful intro. Btw, did you record this video on your Fujifilm xs20? Thank you.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks so much, I appreciate it! :) Some parts (like the intro and slow mo) were recorded on the Fuji XS-20, the majority was recorded on the Osmo Pocket 3 though

@cubax26 9 күн бұрын

@@KarinMajoka Thank you Karin. Keep up the great work.

@kyshark1 9 күн бұрын

As a millennial with a decent film camera collection my two cents- I was really looking forward to this and followed all the rumors BUT for £500 I would have expected better built quality (metal and glass), faster lens (at least 2.8 but ideally 1.8) and better focusing options. I can definitely live with half frame but not with the other compromises! But full marks to Pentax for trying this and bringing a film camera to market in 2024! I do hope the target audience warms up to it but for me its a pass unfortunately!

@pscion12 10 күн бұрын

The focusing is interesting, it makes for snap shooting faster and more discreet, if you already know the distances that you like to shoot from, it is a matter of setting the focus. It plays fast and loose, so allows to capture in the moment. Seems like a great starter street photography camera

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

For somebody who is used to rangefinder cameras with proper distance scales and focusing tabs, focusing by symbols feels way slower and less precise. But as you say, this option might actually be a great entry ticket for people who want to get into zone focusing!

@pscion12 9 күн бұрын

@@KarinMajoka lol I hear you. Not having the visual confirmation that the subject is in focus is disconcerting. Eventually you have to trust that you’re covered by the hyperfocal distance. After that, to use boxing terms, just bob and weave… you just bob and weave.

@adokapo 5 күн бұрын

It is nice camera and i really want to support Pentax for doing this. Please dont be such snobbs. We will probably dont get anything new in years if we are so negative about it.

@diforbes 10 күн бұрын

I had to chuckle when you said you're not inspired by your hometown. I feel the same about mine, but then seeing what you captured was inspiring indeed. Good job with the review and photos. The lack of a focusing confirmation (AF or prism or something) would be a downer for me.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind feedback, I appreciate it a lot! I think the feeling of not being inspired in once usual environment is rather familiar to mist photographers.

@jessicahaydahlrichardson7951 10 күн бұрын

Is there any way to lock the exposure? Half press on the shutter?

@adamsiegfried6098 8 күн бұрын

Have you thought about comparing the new Pentax 17 with the Kodak H35N half frame camera? The Pentax 17 is set to retail for $500.00 US and the Kodak H35N retails at $65. A huge difference in price. One thing I have noticed is that the flash on the Kodak H35N is very weak and the camera has one shutter speed and two apertures settings with a one plastic lens element and one glass. This does limit control significantly, but if price is more impressive then the Kodak H35N might be a cheaper option for getting into film photography.

@tomm7096 9 күн бұрын

Good review. Thanks. Not sure why you feel it to be “plasticy”. The frame, top and bottom are magnesium alloy.

@manugeee 9 күн бұрын

I agree with you. While I am definitely not the target group anymore (old), I am a little surprised by the price. 500€ for a half frame is really a lot, because I have compensated half frame needs with the Kodak Hs35. And therefore I really wish to would like to get one of the Pentax 17, just for supporting the effort. But I just cannot image myself to enjoy shooting the camera. 😢

@jr8440 10 күн бұрын

Fantastic Video, you put a lot of work in it. I really like the münster pics and totally agree on your appraisal: price is not a beginners price. A little less beginner design and a bit more pro and this thing could be a true killer. but smart move make it a half format at such high Film prices.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thank so much for the kind feedback, I appreciate it! I still hope for the camera to succeed despite maybe not ticking everybody boxes :)

@whatsgood001 9 күн бұрын

I think it’s a cool concept and actually kinda refreshing in todays age of digital technology

@nomimidzu8984 9 күн бұрын

Oh, yes! It's very interesting! Half frame, it's a godsend! The most important thing is that the camera is reliable, you don't want to lose 72 pictures, so the new camera is a big event for connoisseurs of film photography. Thanks!

@carltanner9065 10 күн бұрын

I'll be buying one. Build quality is important but it's how well he camera shoots and how the pics turn out which is the most important and this camera hits the spot. Plus, it's new! Let's see Nikon or Canon release a brand new film camera. I doubt it. Though, if Nikon restarted the F6 or F3 production line that would be great!! Can't see it though. Same with a new AE-1 or any other Canon. But, stranger things have happened, so it might be savvy to keep an ear to the ground.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Great, I am sure you will enjoy it! It truly is a fun little camera and I enjoyed shooting with it way more than I initially thought. Also, one correction: The camera does not feel as premium but the top and bottom plate in in fact magnesium alloy and not plastic. So build quality should be great, just the tactile experience feels a bit light and plastic-y

@thomasa.243 5 күн бұрын

It appears to me that Pentax has designed this camera to be „modular“. This is also why it is that big. Moving to a full frame point and shoot or even to an SLR could be done with a lot of reused parts. The price, tjoa, well. But then again, the Rollei 35 was around USD 1200 if you would buy it now, a roll of film would be around USD 30 and development around the same. So even at todays prices, film is not that expensive 😅

@photoplanet 8 күн бұрын

While I am very glad that a major manufacturer like Pentax has not only introduced a new film camera, but taken the bold step in making that a half-frame version with very user-friendly interface... But UK £500 at introduction...?

@sophietucker1255 5 күн бұрын

When Pentax started this they admitted that they didn't have any people in the company that had been there in the film camera days. They were very much starting from scratch and having to reinvent the wheel. This wasn't so much a technology demonstrator as a can we even do this again demonstrator. They had announced at the start of this that the first camera they built would be a simple almost point and shoot type of camera and if they could do this and if it sold enough units then they'd work on a more advanced camera that most of us old film folks are really interested in. Will I buy one? I'm not sure right now but I do hope that they do well. We need new film cameras from companies like Pentax, Nikon and Canon. Oh I know that Leica has never really stopped making film cameras but we want affordable decent cameras not some boutique type overly expensive status symbol

@NON-tf7ik Күн бұрын

Ich finds super das endlich ein Hersteller eine neue analoge Kamera herausbringt. Wow fünfhundertfünzig Euro sind auf den ersten Blick viel Geld für diese Kamera. Zu teuer? Warum meckert Ihr? Eure Schränke sind voll mit billigst erworben Profi Ausrüstungen. Die letzen neuen analogen Kameras wurden vor Dreißig Jahren entwickelt. Sagt mir wo die Zuliefer für die Feinmechanischen Bauteile geblieben sind. Das Pentax 17 Team hat großartiges geleistes. Bis auf ein paar Elektronik musste wahrscheinlich fast jedes Bauteil neu konstruiert und gefertigt werden. Kann man Filmführungen kaufen? Wer liefert Filmandruckplatten? Wie sieht es mit der Filmaufwickelspule aus? Wo bekommt man die Verriegelung für die Rückwand? Diese Liste könnte ich noch lange fortsetzen. Selbst wenn es die Zulieferfirmen für solche Teil noch gibt, analoge Teile fertigen sie vielleicht als Sonderanfertigung zu den entsprechenden Preisen. Am Ende muss sich solch ein Projekt tragen. Bitte bedenkt eure tollen analogen Kameras sind alt und werden nicht mehr ewig funktionieren. Ihr habt dann nur noch die Lomo Toycam, die wirklich zu teuer sind. Pentax hat uns allen einen großen Dienst erwiesen und die sollten wir nicht nur durch Likes, sondern durch Kaufentscheidungen honorieren. Ich freu mich schon auf meine.

@dbkfrogkaty1 10 күн бұрын

I like this review. When you say it was a bold move by Pentax to produce a new film camera these days I say, "Right on!" I too hope it is just a start with more to come. Price is possible a bit high, but hey, it's the first of it's kind these days! It's a unique piece. Price will probably drop a bit as time goes on and the word gets out about it.

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment! I am totally with you, it's a start and I hope more film cameras will follow

@devroombagchus7460 10 күн бұрын

Thank you very much. The zone focussing would not be a problem for me. The lens is 25mm, meaning that with f 5,6 or 8, there is a wide depth of field. My doubts are the plastic at that price and one fixed lens.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

The only thing is that you cannot set the aperture yourself, so in lower light the camera will most likely open up the aperture. Other than that you are totally right! And actually, I need to make a correction: The camera feels like plastic but is indeed magnesium alloy!

@marcmcvey6276 10 күн бұрын

Half frames certainly reduce the ‘cost per image’ and this could be a gateway drug for film enthusiasts who still struggle with the development costs. The funny thing about the ‘forced portrait orientation’ is that I’m struggling to work my M6 in portrait orientation which is my preferred composition style…maybe you could do a video on that ‘problem’😊 like the excellent one you did on the whole right eye vs left eye on the M6❤. In the end, we all benefit, as film shooters when more new film cameras are introduced so that film makers can get scale they need to help lower the costs. Fantastic review and your usual honest/ integrity shines !

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Could you elaborate what the problem is with the M6 in portrait orientation? I don't have a problem with it so I am just wondering :) Thanks for your comment and for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate it!

@marcmcvey6276 9 күн бұрын

Hi...first love your videos and your story about buying your M6! For some reason, when I turn the m6 onto portrait mode, I struggle to 'trust my focus ' when using zone of hyper focus. So when I move the focus ring tab, I find myself turning the camera back to landscape mode, focus and then revert back to portrait mode to press the shutter button...this is most likely a 'me' problem but wondering if you had similar difficulties when first starting with your m6. I think a lot of it is because I went from auto focus Xpro 2 so using any orientation was easy to manual focus lens 100% 😅. Keep up your amazing work!

@innstikk 10 күн бұрын

Considering the Leica M6 price tag I think the price of the 17 is fair.

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Hahah, good point!

@michaelcase8574 8 күн бұрын

I'm having trouble finding the price of the csmera. It's a great idea.

@pennysteam 7 күн бұрын

Nice review, I agree the price point is wrong, should be 299 to 350 tops.

@tammytrashbags 10 күн бұрын

it's not a camera designed for me (I'd rly like SLR or rangefinder focussing for accuracy!!) but it's very very cool and I feel practically duty bound to buy it lmao

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

I am with you on that, I would have also preferred something like a rangefinder. But nonetheless a really cool camera for casual documentation that I enjoyed way way more than I expected :)

@PauloDias-tl6hw 10 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing the video the camera is cool and it's fun to us I can see where Pentax I going but the price is expensive and the camera is not for beginners

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! :)

@northof-62 9 күн бұрын

I think young people who are used to portrait mode on their handys/cell phones are going to like the 17. Though I hope the price will come down with time.

@shervinsardari 7 күн бұрын

Thank you for your review! I'm excited about this camera, but a little disappointed with the final product. The camera feels plasticy and not very reliable, I don't like the zone focusing and I'm also not happy about the lack of manual exposure control. The maximum shutter speed of 1/350s is also too slow for sunny days. I'm glad that Pentax is back in the film camera business, but it's alarming that Pentax (and most likely other companies) seem to have lost the knowledge of the last 50 years of film camera manufacturing. From a technical point of view, this camera is more or less at the level of the 1970s. In terms of repairability, I doubt that this camera will be easier or cheaper to repair than a Pen F - especially in the long run. For all these reasons, it's a pass for me. However, I'm still excited and optimistic about what Pentax will come up with next!

@FluffyMonoc 5 күн бұрын

I expected the 17 to be not exactly cheap, but my expectation was more in the 300€ region. Which would have seen me very probably ordering one sometime later this year. 550 is that factor 2 that just is too much though. If I want to spend that kind of money I'll get a Mint Instaflex.

@pablovi77 9 күн бұрын

The thing I hate the most about half frame is that I won’t ever be able to finish a roll! It was hard when it’s 36 exposures, I used to develop my rolls without finishing them like 90% of the time. And that’s why I don’t shoot 35mm anymore. I used it before digital cameras existed or way mainstream.

@TungstenOvergaard 10 күн бұрын

Best review of the first 4/5. Congrats! IMO this is a miss opportunity for doing something better. Either a Ricoh GR on film, or a cheap rangefinder. This is just an expensive toy for what it is. But opens a path that I hope others will follow.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for your comment! I still hope the camera will succeed and resonate with people. But let's also hope this will result in more companies considering to make film cameras again!

@minisla 8 күн бұрын

Think it's a great choice. Be interested to find out how large can you print a frame. With the cost of Film these days I'd happily purchase one. 72 frames now that sounds great. Nice looking camera.

@druszaj 2 күн бұрын

Scanned on a consumer Epson flatbed, about 5 inches of detail, postcard sized. Digitized with a higher quality solution like DSLR with macro lens, or darkroom enlarged, you might be able to do 10 inches with a fine grained film, mostly depends how much the lens can resolve (it has 3 glass elements).

@JimVim 10 күн бұрын

Pentax half-frame build quality auto modes for me it would have made sense for More manual features-less plastic and option to use other lenses. Price seems rather expensive but I also hope Pentax will produce a K1000 2.0-but the biggest plus is for the future of film to be a more viable market given that Pentax has entered the ecosystem. Good first step but I will wait for a more substantial body. Great video by the way enjoyed the trippy intro. Hello from Canada,

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment and for sharing your thoughts! :) I also hope more film cameras on the market will follow!

@JimVim 9 күн бұрын

@@KarinMajoka K-1000 first film Camera built like a tank. Leica Reprovit College Media studies.

@andykphoto 10 күн бұрын

I think this is an interesting little camera, even if it is not something I can see fitting into my selection of cameras. I think I have too much of a control issue to use it happily… then again, I bought and sold a canonet 12 years ago and now I bought one again so… who knows what the future holds? 🤷‍♂️😸👍

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Same here, I am a control freak and like setting everything up manually - nonetheless, the camera was/is a welcome breath of fresh air

@StevenLawson 9 күн бұрын

Good review, thank you, and I agree that price is way too high - if it was €150 less it would pull in a lot more people.

@eirikTP 9 күн бұрын

they might use the same mold for full 35mm camera in future if this venture turns out well. probably thats y this 1 is relatively big for a halfframe cam

@f1remandg 8 күн бұрын

I agree with your analogy regarding the pricing and to be honest that as i collect cameras and know the prices, and i say this as a Pentax fan, old school, but like the Pentax K1000 when it was made outside of Japan, it became more plastik and poor build quality, yours is the third review I’ve watched and lots of similar comments some not as honest as yours. I predict with the current market and the fuji range of Instax range and others, the price point for such a camera is to much, especially the build quality, they should have gone for premium and a K1000 like, in a M4/3 size or even there MV or super, they have made an expensive mistake.

@peterarens9614 7 күн бұрын

Es ist ein spannendes Experiment. Ich wünsche Pentax viel Erfolg. Mögen genügend junge Menschen auf den Zug springen und sich die Kamera leisten können. Das Design ist Geschmacksache, ich finde es gar nicht so schlecht. Die Frage ist jedoch, warum entscheiden sich die meisten für die analoge Fotografie? Für mich war es die Herausforderung Fotografie wirklich neu intensiv lernen zu müssen. Dafür nimmt die Pentax 17 schon zu viele Entscheidungen (Einstellungen) ab. Man bekommt auch für den Preis sehr Hochwertige analoge Kameras mit tollen Objektiven und kann ein größeren kreativen Bereich abdecken. Ich habe für meine Nikon FE + 50mm ais, 24mm ais und 28mm ai 550€ bezahlt in spitzen Zustand. Letztendlich ist es egal welche Kamera man hat, der hinter der Kamera macht das Foto. Oje ich schreib wieder viel zu viel. Danke für dein Review. 😂

@Francois_L_7933 10 күн бұрын

To me, the big question remains: How well does it work with glasses? I know this is going to sound trivial, but when you've scratched plenty of lenses on the rear eyepiece (Here's looking at you FED) or have a viewfinder that's so small you have to move your head around to get to see what's actually in front of the camera, it takes a lot of fun out of the equation.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

I totally get this question since I know the problem myself. To be honest, I did not have any problems with my glasses on this one. The viewfinder is pretty big and bright for what it is and the material did not seem to make any problems with scratches

@ykhm9778 8 күн бұрын

I see Nikon and Canon CEOs looking into the mirrors and seeing donkeys :) Thinking: “why that ware not us to lunch similar project?” Well done Pentax !!

@edsmagsayo 9 күн бұрын

The 35mm film format is already saturated with old reliable slrs and rangefinders. Its a good move for pentax to realease a half frame film format as only a few of those old cameras remain.. im waiting for pentax to release a medium film format , since older ones are too expensive.

@1marcelfilms 5 күн бұрын

500+ DOLLARS just to save a few on film . I think ill wait for the used market for a cheap one *dies from waiting

@ThingOfSome 10 күн бұрын

Good review! Yeah, it does seem disappointing and a bit of a mismatch like you said. Hopefully it is popular so that make a better one.

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I still hope they will succeed and the camera will find its niche

@Brando90198 10 күн бұрын

I dig it. We live in a world where Polaroid has a $600 offering. This seems fair. Hopefully a full frame will come if sales justify it.

@cjflv 10 күн бұрын

I think that is one reason this camera is a bit larger for a half frame. It would be an easy modification to turn it into a full frame camera.

@KarinMajoka 9 күн бұрын

Interesting thought indeed! I could see Pentax making a full frame camera with the same outer shell as the Pentax 17. Having a switch to shoot both formats would have actually been pretty cool

@cjflv 9 күн бұрын

@@KarinMajoka I have the old Konica Auto-Reflex that has the half frame/full frame switch. It's a neat trick, but if you screw up and forget to turn the switch at the right time, you end up with a lot of overlapping frames. I used it once and now it sits in the vitrine.

@Purple_Hayes 7 күн бұрын

the price is definitely weird. I kinda expected this be a higher end, $250, kodak h35. I definitely think it could be fun to play with. I'm a newer photographer that wants to get into film, but idk if I can justify that price when there's a million used film cameras out there that are just as good for maybe $100. It feel like they should have gone super high end or budget to start and then introduced this middle ground option later to round out the lineup

@endsommer 7 күн бұрын

Hmm, du kannst dir 10 Pentax 17 kaufen oder eine Leica M6 - und da fehlt noch das Objektiv ;-)

@rollfildbim6006 9 күн бұрын

NaJa !Die Kamera mit KBVollformat und einem 40mm MF Objektiv fände ich interessanter.Nach der großen Vorankündigung hab ich mehr erwartet.

@WhoIsSerafin 10 күн бұрын

Not for me, but i hope it's successful. Im excited about the new announcement of the fuji instax wide camera being announced Tuesday.

@KarinMajoka 10 күн бұрын

Totally fair, not every camera is for everybody! Oh, I have not heard about it before, will check out the news. Thanks!

@matthiassteck4009 5 күн бұрын

Ich hätte ja von einer neuen Pentax 67 geträumt, wenn man sich die Gebrauchtpreise in dem System ansieht, müsste es doch Nachfrage geben. Aber wahrscheinlich viel zu wenig, dass es sich für Pentax gelohnt hätte, ich hab da wahrscheinlich einen völlig verzerrten Nerd-Blick... Mit der Pentax 17 kann ich persönlich gar nichts anfangen. Das liegt aber an meiner Art zu fotografieren. Als gebrannten Kind von vielen defekten Minolta AF-Bodies habe ich auch die Befürchtung, dass diese doch sehr elektronische Kamera nicht lange halten wird und eine gut gepflegte PEN-F in 20 Jahren noch funktioniert, nicht aber die Pentax 17. Und warum man eine elektronische Fokussierung einbaut, aber keinen AF, verstehe ich nicht. Außer man will später ein (noch teureres) AF-Modell nachschieben. Ich weiß auch nicht, ob man für junge Film-Einsteiger eine Kamera so "vereinfachen" (?) muss. Die beste Freundin meiner großen Tochter, ein 14-jähriges Teenie-Mädel hat die Canon EF (aus den 1970iger Jahren) ihres Opas ausgegraben und sich reingefuchst, obwohl das eine wirklich nicht einsteiger-freundliche Kamera ist. Die Bedienung der schönen alten Technik dürfte für viele doch auch zum Reiz der Filmfotografie beitragen. Und das sehe ich bei der Plastik-Pentax halt gar nicht. Trotzdem ist eine Film-Kamera eines größeren Herstellers, der nicht Leica ist, eine spannende Sache und für Street-Fotografie dürfte das Ding klasse sein.

@blende5.693 8 күн бұрын

Nice review, but this is not my camera, I will wait for the new Rollei 35 af.

@ssadonnelly 9 күн бұрын

Looking at your review and Grainydays one ッ they were not so happy about the zone focusing LOL LOL “ zone focusing is kind of more of the experienced street photographers who unapologetic shove the camera in peoples faces and hope they get something in focus with a camera in one hand and a coffee and cigarette in the other “ On a serious note I have a feeling there will be a lot of initial interest in this then sales will die rapidly. Young peoples environmental awareness these days once they think about the chemicals involved in the manufacturing and processing of film, transport etc . I think this is very niche

@piketubeman 8 күн бұрын

I think this camera is ultimately really let down by style pf focus they decided on. If it was a range finder or even auto focus i would consider buying it. But ive had cameras that are "Guess-focus" and I just hated them. Apart from that, i really do like this camera, this camera is like my Fuji X100 except actually film 🤷

@thorstenjaspert9394 10 күн бұрын

The price isn't si nice. But I'm happy that a half frame camera comes out with good autimatics, and half automatic. It makes possible to shoot in a godd quality with minimum risc of false expurse. But having the double number if frames is often much to much. How long will you wate to develop? For half frame cameras it would be nice to have shorter films like 12 pictures in fulframe. But shouting 72 frames on a 36 frame film is nice for a holiday with friends or family or party. Shouting crazy happy people.