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Weldone guys for your contributions. Here's my take. Eras, times, reputations are a factor here. I honestly respect what Ferguson has done at Man Utd. But let's be honest here... Would World football today, give Pep Guardiola as much time as Fergie back in the day?? As Klopp and the likes. Pep has built this reputation that he's seen as an instant solution, he's expected to have instant result. Pep in his first season at City was trophyless for the first and only time in his career...he was roasted. Do you know what would have happened if Pep went trophyless for a 2nd season? He'd have been sacked. Now Sir Alex for Man Utd was trophyless for the first 5 seasons, but he was building gradually. No one was worried, not much was expected from him. And that's the difference. Same with Klopp at Liverpool. Klopp was trophyless at Liverpool for about 4 seasons, no pressure whatsover on him. But for Pep, for some reason, he's different, so much is expected of him. He's not won the CL yet for City at his 7th time of asking and the pressure on him is much. Alex Ferguson, it took him 13 years to win his first UCL trophy for Man Utd. He didn't have as much pressure as Pep is having to deal with today. So here's the point. Can Pep build a team from scratch...Absolutely yes. Would he be allowed, given time to build a team like others....I don't think so. Hence, he always has to use money to get instant hits because he's expected to have instant results. This is one major difference between Pep and Ferguson. This is due to the fact that Pep became an instant hit at Barca and that reputation stuck with him till this day. Ferguson has also managed bigger players than Pep has in the EPL. How many players under Pep, aside Aguero, Silva,Kdb,Kompany would walk into the treble winning Man Utd team of 1999 or Man Utd team of 2007-09 or Cheslea team of 2004-2007 or Arsenal's invincibles??

Fergie won it in a weak era where VAR didn’t exist

No he didn't. Those were bench players

@kubensamuiuel5176 No Var wasn’t an advantage though because it goes both ways. this was far from a weak era. You might bring up the fact that city and Liverpool get more points, but you gotta realize that players today are better conditioned and recover quicker because of advancement of technology. Another thing is that pep has had an open checkbook at city while sir Alex picked us up from dust and made us the best.

Braa pep won the league two times without a striker

@@brianchaks4838 they used Jesus in the false 9 role. Don’t act like it’s a crazy feat when they have de bryne, gundugan and Bernardo Silva who can score goals and obviously the attackers. When all you’re midfielders are capable of scoring goals you don’t need a striker

Are you sure you're supporting City not because of Haaland?

@@amorphous7474 could be a possibility yes😂 , but i did follow city since 2016/17 ish so its not only because of haaland . Obviously its great that Haaland play for city now, but i have been a city fan since the Aguero pre pep days👍😊

Fergie was overrated he won trophies in a very weak era, with Aberdeen he won the modern day UEFA super cup which has no value, your making it sound like he won the champions league 😂

@@treyyg-rt5kz he won the champions league twice didnt he?? Either way , im just praising SAF because Ferguson is one of the best managers of all time if not the best. So i dont see why thats weird imo.😂😊👍🤷🏻

U started supporting City juss before Pep came ur not a proper City fan looool😂😂😂😂

sir alex is clear plus one word ABERDEEN pep inherited those players at barca sir alex bought and formed his and sir alex only spent about less than 400 mil in his career and even with inflation is less than city plus fergie did have pretty much sunday league players when he inherited united and at st mirren and aberdeen

@@honestmanutdfan603 Pep literally promoted 1/3 of the squad such as the likes of Busquets and Pedro! He bought Dani Alves and some other players who he developed to a different level. Iniesta, Xavi and Messi were obviously amazingly talented but he took them to a different level. Don’t undermine what he done looool he cooked Fergie twice🫣

​@@nahuelsamba2947 united fans are deluded asf..

​@@nahuelsamba2947 Guardiola would school fergie every single time and every Evra.

The day pep takes a team of academy players builds them and wins treble with them just like saf thats when pep would be best in my opinion

How do you define influence in football? Does Fergie have any disciples who are coaches now spreading Fergie philosophy in other leagues and teams? Pep has several manager including ETH who are of the Pep philosophy and now you have football being played from the back in England from the PL all the way down to the non-professional tiers of football as well as in other leagues. How is that not influencing the football world? Make no mistake, i have a tremendous amount of respect for SAF. Im not saying that Pep is over SAF, but I'd say theyre pretty much on par with one another but for different reasons

@@MCFCTheMadHatter pep has always been better and proved that when he won against a prime fergie team in CL

​@@MCFCTheMadHatter Xavi, Alonso, arteta, eth, nagelsman 😂😂😂 fergie ex players are pundits, enough said !

@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide 👍👍

@@jwhy3m ole won in irrelevant games and lost against him when it mattered like fa cup/efl cup etc

Lol , fergie won in Scotland so nice try mate .

@@Sosavibes that's not professional football

@@shyone8386of course it’s professional football? So beating Real Madrid in a European final is not professional football? Lmao dumbest thing I’ve heard all day. Well done 👏

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Appreciate the love!

So Pep doesn’t run the club ? Lol what am I reading here… Pep 98-100 points, vs Klopp, spanking Ancelotti, spanking Sir Alex in his rookie year winning the champions league Stop all these « he didn’t take a mid table team » thing it’s just irrelevant, United had all the better players and more money than anyone ! Pep played with your favorite manager stop it

@@amino2311 no pep doesn't run city, didn't run bayern for sure or barca

Fergie at the time did great in building up Utd from what they were. But that was football then. That cannot happen now. Managers have to step away and allow the club setup to function. Football has evolved. there are too many moving parts for one man to wrangle everything according to how he or she likes it. Thats why coaches of the old order like Mou and Conte find it hard to survive at clubs since they want to runt the club the way they want

@@amino2311 Pep has laboratory conditions in City, he doesn't run them. That club has the best organization by far in all areas. And the rules for them are different since they can bend them. No one has ever had such working conditions as Pep in City.

Good take on this argument.. Wish more people read what you comment here

The same united team that lost against pep team twice in CL 😂

@@treyyg-rt5kz That Barca team is the best of all time, this City team isn’t at that same level. That’s why United could beat it

​@@TheToohey10 it's Guardiola football, kid. City would batter that united team. They won the champions league team, bcoz Terry slipped 😂😂😂😂

@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide fergie was lucky that terry missed his penalty as Chelsea dominated that game

Barcelona 2011.

Nah the Barcelona team is above them.

Ever? Big shout

how old are you lol

Barca is so clear and its not close and whole time Fergie had Vidic Ferdinand Van Der Sar Giggs Park Ji Sung Rooney Ronaldo Scholes Berbatov Evra lol he had an insane team as well

So?

Fergie was overrated Manager and was clueless in the CL, got lucky wins against Chelsea which went to penalties and a lucky win in extra time against Bayern Munich, without the luck on his side he would have won zero CL

@@treyyg-rt5kz and Pep hasn’t won a UCL without the goat and hasn’t been able to win league titles without money? It’s easy to play this game

​@@velianfc kid, Chelsea and united have spend more than city, so why are they not wining 😂😂

@@velianfc fergie was overrated manager, a modern day solksjser is same as him

@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide coz of City’s higher ups, they run the club well. But every top coach spends money because they’re trusted, what that guy said about fergie being lucky is stupid.

What? Are we seriously gonna pretend that United were deprived of resources during his time?

SAF got resources. He broke the British transfer record twice.

No you wouldn’t because mouhrino got backed by United n Chelsea n got sacked after 3 years in each time😕

Don’t hate the player hate the game

@@Allwin-lz6yj for real 🤣

Jesus christ u want city to die?? lol

Why?👀

Fergie could win the league with shit players, Fergie won the treble with the class of 92, homegrown talent, Fergie will always be the goat.

Pep could have a longer career as well, but i agree SAF is the GOAT for now!

@@youwhat5058 Pep did a season at Barcelona B and had them top of the league and promoted playing beautiful football having been relegated the previous season with a disintegrating squad, and brought busquets up from the academy. He then instantly got the job as Barcelona, promoting Busquets from the Bs and selling high profile players like Ronaldinho and Deco. He used more la Masia talent- even bringing back pique from united who he did wonders with compared to SAF, winning the Copa Del Rey, La Liga and the UCL (beating SAF in the final) turning messi from already a joke to the best player in the world by a mile. He elevated all the homegrown talents game including all time greats like Xavi and Iniesta. That homegrown argument just isn’t all that, and the simple situation is that Pep Guardiola was so good so quick that he never really had to manage any ‘bad’ teams. I understand SAF did more with lesser teams but it’s quite easy to say that when Pep has never really had to manage lesser teams. And if we’re being honest, Pep has a better record than SAF across his career. Having broken almost all the important records in all the countries he managed in (including some of SAF’s) and potentially on the brink of SAF’s infamous treble, it will be quite hard to still say SAF by the end of Peps career as we would expect him to continue at this rate.

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"Ready made"😂😂. Barca was in shambles when Pep took over, hadn't won a trophy in 3 years. Messi wasn't the beast he became under Pep, of the team he had that defeated Man United in 2009, only 4 players were bought and the rest were academy players. Took over an aging Bayern Munich club. Check the Man City team he inherited and the changes he had to do with the squad he has now. This man won the Premier league without a striker!

@@aphindiletyeni5724 Yes, Barca had Prime Xavi, Iniesta and Messi plus additional superstars when he first took over Barcelona and most managers would have succeeded with that amazing squad. Pep Failed at Bayern because he couldn't win them the Champions League in 3 years even though he inherited the European Champions in 2013. At City, Pep inherited a strong squad containing Vincent Kompany, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Raheem Sterling, Kevin De Bruyne and Sergio Augero.

@@raymondbutler834 Nah Mate the Barca players you're mentioning were not in their prime when Pep took over, he made them world class. Listen to the interviews of Xavi, Iniesta. And most managers wouldn't because Real Madrid was dominant and spending more money than Pep but he managed to win the 3 peat on a lesser budget. It was an aging squad though and the players there weren't "Pep Guardiola" players even Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't have won the Champions league and on that we don't talk enough about how Sir Alex Ferguson's tenure at Manchester United was a failure, man spent 26 years to only win the Champions league 2 times. At any other team he would have been sacked

@@raymondbutler834 Pep's inability not to win the Champions league with Bayern Munich is understandable because he had to adapt to a new country league, bring in players who could play his football so he had to make changes and face Bayern Munich hierarchy in terms of recruitment etc. Ferguson had everything Pep didn't have at Barva and Bayern but won 2 Champions league in more than 2 decades at United

@@aphindiletyeni5724 How many Champions Leagues did Paris St. Germain after all them billions spent on their club? How many Champions Leagues did Arsene Wenger win at Arsenal for over 20 years even including their invincible team? How about Antonio Conte? he's managed Juve, Inter and Chelsea yet 0 Champions Leagues to show for it. Sure, Man City are about to win the Champions League which has to be said is long overdue after all them billions spent since becoming Abu Dhabi FC 15 years ago. Fergie's Miracles worked at Aberdeen will always be superior to whatever Pep achieves at City.

SAF is the goat and I'll even put Jose Mourinho higher than Pep. SAF dominated the EPL, built up a team from the ground up and made Man UTD a European powerhouse. His Aberdeen is as impressive as he broke the Scottish duopoly and won a European beating Real Madrid . Pep literally went from prime Barca, Bayern and then to City, spending more than a billion and still haven't won a UCL(hopefully) since his Barca days.

@@Fred-ft6vh man united beat rjikaards Barca who won the ucl in 06, the following year pep took over and I’m sure you know the rest

A really good point tbh. Arteta and Kompany have proved that this stuff works at different levels of investment. And they’d tell you they have a while to go to reach his level

This is such a casual take lol. Pep arrived to a club that was in the top 5 oldest squad in all of Europe and there's a reason why he went trophyless in his first season

@@caseymjada2011 did he change everyone by the next season?

@@mamodeogbewele3376 what you mean by that?

It's a simple question. You said there was a reason he went trophyless in his first season and was in top 5 oldest squads.. so did he get rid of all those old players or a good number of them, were in the squad when he won his first league title? 💁🏿‍♂️

@@mamodeogbewele3376 yeah he got rid of a few players. The club needed a rebuild and that's what he did

Both Man City and Liverpool still agree that SAF is the GOAT... Stop being delusional 😂😂

@@Fred-ft6vh Liverpool fans definitely don’t

But he is though

@@100worthofkay6 ur just deluded then

@@MineralsUnited he's made the best two football teams in history. That Barca team and this City team. You're just a bias deluded United fan

@@100worthofkay6 and what are u a Arsenal fan that hasn’t won a league title in 20 years

I agree he's better than pep but no SAF

@@sambirtwistle7615 how's he better than Pep?

Interesting take!

would Gordon Ramsey work at a 1 star restaurant despite being the best chef in the world ? thats literally the point your making why would pep go to a smaller club ? Jose never wanted to be at a small club he got sacked from every big club ?? SAF?? He started his career at Aberdeen and you can win a cup with luck not a league with luck

@@neynmarrrrr Gordon Ramsay literally has a program where he goes to 1* restaurants to build them up 😅, luck is one thing but why then when he went to united he did it consistently after??? Luck I guess

@@alanmcgee7545 thats for the show you idiot , you really brought that up he does that FOR MONEY because its entertainment for the viewers ?? he doesn't even work there? mans waffling now because he don't know what to say . Barcelona was broke af and he still made the greatest team to every play football. he did it with Both a broke team & a rich team(Man City) , he's not entitled to prove himself to jealous man united and Liverpool fans that he's the best by going to a small club. Aberdeen was amazing n all but he started there because no-one else would hire him? he was nobody ? who's gonna hire a nobody ? Pep on the other hand was the student of JOHAN CRUYFF he had connections. SAF would also do the same if he had connections. anyways football aint deep idk why I wrote al of this but regardless we all know Pep will go down as the GOAT manager

man won 6 titles in his first year as a manager why would he go to some mid table team thereafter? be real

Why shouldn’t the best spend money? He’s earned that right… let me know when a manager can win 6 trophies in his first year of management 👍🏾

Exactly. Guardiola is obviously excellent, but my god he’s inherited some insane squads and had crazy budgets! I don’t think he could adjust and make a mediocre team great! His style of football requires the absolute elite talent! If he didn’t have elite players I wonder how he’d even coach! His methods require World class players. The other managers didn’t have that luxury at times ! And adjusted !

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