Like the scene in which he explained what true control is.

Interesting because John Nolan was also in his nephew's films Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises as one of the board members of Wayne Enterprises.

Ah, reverse nepotism.

Watching him flaunt the truth in front of Vigilance was crazy. What an episode!

I really love The Nolan brothers. They direct beautiful movies and tv series. I didn’t know this but that’s actually awesome.

WillFerrellNumberOne he was, I just feel this was a pointless death for him :/

@@swingmattuk Yes, it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and the Machine supposedly did not they could have just killed Finch, there was no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch. At the very least, if they wanted to play up the drama and not have Greer get his hands dirty by shooting someone, he could have left the room while Finch was trapped before they evacuated the air, but they didn't do that and Finch obviously escaped. I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind. It was an interesting dichotomy between Team Machine and Team Samaritan, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.

@@mamalmi First off, I didn't care that Greer died, I did not "want him saved because he was a good character," I just thought his death was completely unnecessary. And I'm not the only one who thought this, the comment I replied to above said the same thing. That being said, I do agree with you in that Greer's death did serve a purpose, a purpose we've both pointed out, I just don't think it was handled very artistically with the greatest literary deftness, to me it felt contrived and hyperbolic, and again, it simply wasn't necessary. I don't believe Greer's death was bad thing, just that it could have been done better. Also, if Greer and Samaritan wanted to be absolutely, completely sure that Finch would die, a few bullets would have worked better, that would have been more certain than trying to suffocate him. Secondly, I don't think Finch uploaded the virus until the end of this episode, so Samaritan was not weakened. What Samaritan did not expect however was that the Machine would be able to intervene in the way it did to save Harold's life(while at the same time sacrificing Greer, and needlessly I might add, even if it belabors the point).

@@charlesray5949 Ummm... I'm sorry, but I don't know what the High Table of/or John Wick is, I have not watched those movies.

@@mydogskips2 That's ok, but have U ever watched Burn Notice?

WillFerrellNumberOne *took his death like a psychopath. But, I do agree with you. It was a very interesting scene.

Yeah, but it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and that the Machine supposedly did not, they could have simply killed Finch, there was simply no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch. I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above that of the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind. It was an interesting dichotomy, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.

@@mydogskips2 I don't think it was about Samaritan but about Greer, he was crazily trusting of Samaritan to the point that he wanted to die for it's sake.

A [misguided] zealot's death!

@@mydogskips2 Samaritan already locked and began suffocating the two of them. Greer only surmised that Harold retained "control" over the execution of the ICE-9 virus, after that point. Both Greer and Finch were the ONLY ones to posed ANY potential threat to Samaritan (Greer because he retained authority & Finch because he created the Machine (and thus possesses the genius to counter Samaritan)). It shows how paranoid and ruthless Samaritan had become...all those bodies in the tunnel...brilliant doctors, engineers, programmers etc...just extinguished on the future possible potential to become a threat or pose some challenge to Samaritan's authority. Season 5 was a drip...drip...drip demonstration of Samaritan's ruthlessness.

I'm trying to understand what that mean. Can you help me?

@@leorc5923 Basically it means History will remember and respect them two for what they did

Hah. Probably not

@@thai4713 He will be revered as Hitler and Genghis Khan are "revered" :P

Absolutely! 👌🏻👍🏻😉 Just one thing: right before Greer died, Harold should have been able to reply: HISTORY WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WE WERE!!! 😲

Absolute poetry they way they wrote it 💯

Bold of you to assume an ASI will be destroyable.

lol he too is old

@@chaitu.petluri8113 refer to my comment above lol

no, *this was the absolute best time for him to die for both Greer and Samaritan.* he got the chance to die as a hero. the other option was was him getting old and dying slowly, no longer useful, while wasting resources (in Samaritan's view) and posing a risk to it by knowing so much about it. this was the perfect time.

Seeing how much older Greer is than Finch too, I doubt he will walk any faster than Finch despite Finch's walking impediment. Finch could even try wrestling Greer to the ground and see if he could make it to the door instead. But Greer's men might be waiting in ambush outside in case he actually tries so... yeah. Anyway, John still came around and saved him, so it's all good. Everyone in team machine all had their well deserved ending.

And then we can see surveillance at it's finest in 2019.

Are you kidding, Season 1 was very good, nothing to be turned off about at all. It's just that it did get better, the show just kept upping the ante as time went on. But as it did so, the tone and feel of the show changed as well. A lot of people were actually turned off by Season 3, the death of Carter, and the introduction of Samaritan, it completely changed the show.

@@mydogskips2 It was such a simple concept yet so good. I missed it to be honest.

I was much younger when I seen the previews for the Pilot episode. I was forever locked in..I loved Reese.

@@mydogskips2 I loved season 1, it had that ‘villian of the week’ vibe and I personally love those, then they slowly grow into a much larger story. Miss it!

Absolutely, I agree, the introduction of Samaritan completely changed the show. and this happened right after Carter died. I would just point out that this didn't happen until about 55 episodes in. Season 1 was 23 episodes, Season 2, 22 episodes, and Samaritan wasn't really introduced until about episode 11 of Season 3.

I strongly disagree. In order for the series to end, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy. So there was always gonna be another AI introduced. That is, unless they allowed the human revolutionary people to defeat the Machine, which I suppose would have been a better ending.

@@blanktrigger8863 yes that seems like an interesting direction. Machine was always crippled but in the end they showed it really cared while Samaritan was indifferent from the start. I gotta be honest I didn't really like how they handled Samaritan at first, from the get go they always assumed Samaritan will be the worst, which it was but I would love to see a Samaritan in the grey area

PoI was indeed two separate shows melded together. One was about moral redemption of the human individual. Reese, Finch, Fusco, Root etc., all represented various facets of people who did things (with dire consequences) in their past that they deeply regret. Some of this was by directly choosing actions, by self-interest or in service of some personal beliefs, that harmed others or by indirect, unforeseen, unanticipated consequences of their actions/choices. In the present moment, they now choose to redeem themselves by wiping their ledgers clean of all that red through "good deeds" helping those in trouble or stopping those intent on harming others. This is the presentation of human beings having a natural arc towards benevolence or at the very least, human beings feeling guilt/shame and regret about the bad outcomes of their actions. This is contrasted with the idea that an AI system could never truly be benevolent or feel regret, guilt, shame or desire for redemption. Once Samaritan arose, the narrative shifted to the debate about whether an AI system could be as morally principled as Carter or Finch and whether it could embrace a simultaneously universal and individual benevolence. More pointedly, towards the final "battle" between Finch's Machine and Samaritan, whether an AI system could be self-sacrificial in wanting to "do NO harm". The series posited an interesting theory that this question may very well turn on the moral composition of the person or persons upon which the AI systems algorithms are modeled.

@@samwellick1706 I agree with you, having Samaritan operate in the "grey area" would have been interesting, and probably more realistic as the world is "grey" and far more nuanced than a simple black and white dichotomy the show presented, but you have to realize that Samaritan was created to be a foil to "Team Machine". As Blank Trigger says above, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy, and Samaritan was it, along with Greer and Co. And to be honest, one thing this show did not do was be ambiguous, for better or for worse, the writers really spelled things out for everyone, so they made it very clear that Samaritan was the villain right from the outset, they were really simplistic about those kinds of things, and if you don't believe me, read some of the reviews on IMDB and you'll see that that's what a lot of people complained about, and I agree with them. But that's not why I watched the show, I suppose those who were fans liked the premise, but it was also about entertainment through action, drama, suspense, and over-the-top sensationalism, great theatricality. While I don't necessarily agree that Samaritan's creation was inevitable, I think the show could have gone on without Samaritan,(I mean, some people really liked the number-of-the-week format and the lighter feel the earlier seasons had and believed the introduction of Samaritan destroyed/ruined the show), but as is pointed out above, POI was really two shows merged into one, one pre-Samaritan, one post-Samaritan, and exploring the dark side and potential downfalls of an ASI was more compelling, where the writers naturally wanted to go, it just took them two and a half seasons to get there(remember, it started out with Carter chasing Reese, then with Root abducting Finch and forcing him to take her to the Machine where she could "set it free"); fortunately they had a compelling story to tell with the HR storyline which was the main throughline dominating the first two and a half seasons, and when it was over they immediately transitioned over to Samaritan.

Yeah, probably because John Nolan is also somewhat similar to Ian McKellen.

i was told this when younger machines may advance but they will follow cold true logic or they will followed distorted logic as people design them to contain as such ether way the end result is likely bad if they advance too much down ether path without carful care taken.

Josh Dawson YES!

Finch said in the episode regarding chess; "Anyone who sees the world as a game of chess deserves to lose."

I hate to ask, but are there any on reddit?

Poi has their subreddit

Hello

This series is for a limited audience......and we all are a part of that niche group

@@shridharshanbhag3942PoI is even more relevant today then it was when it was airing. I wish more people would revisit or first time watch the show and talk about it. The AI tech community today in its hubris & race to be first is much more likely to build a Samaritan than The Machine.

I see this scene a little differently. The scene shows the major difference in Samaritan and the Machine. Greer and his men could have just shot Harold and Greer would have survived. The fact that Samaritan had his men leave shows Samaritans arrogance and the blind faith his assets that Samaritan would win. The scene is pivotal for me because Greer is in some ways Samaritans father it was through his efforts that Samaritan was born. Greer was a devoted acolite but Samaritan threw him away like he was nothing. In contrast Harold was the Machines father but Harold tried to kill her multiple times but the machine understood and forgave him again and again and against all odds tried to save Harold. Now which AI would you trust?

It's an interesting bit of symbolism - the machine sacrifices itself and Samaritan so that humanity would prevail. Samaritan's logic is the exact opposite; sacrifice the humans and machines will prevail.

Samaritan couldn't take any chances of Harold quickly yelling out the password so that the machine or someone else could activate the virus. Samaritan figured that the machine was in the complex. I mean she did have two of her agents in there already aside from Harold. Of course this means that Greer would die, but who cares since Samaritan will still be around.

@@Cotcan if samaritan is committed to not taking any chances the appropriate response is not letting your minion monologue during an unncessarily elaborate deathtrap, but positioning a second minion behind harold ready to shoot him in the back of the head the instant he admits the machine doesn't have the password. or, hell, just plant a sufficiently large bomb in the building and blow everybody up instantly.

Can you add the scene were Greer takes over an uber-like tech company with a female Ceo. The company is about to go bankrupt because of scandal involving one of the senior leaders, and Greer walks into the boardroom talking before he even sits down.

The scene that Harold says: If you really want a mystery I recommend human heart

POI - Best Of please, oh! please: Harold' s arrest!!! 5x10

No, he talks about that he and Finch are pawns and the AI's are the black and white queens. He just says that they are worth nothing and that it is his job as a pawn to die so his queen can survive and win the game. This is deep in the way that finch did play chess with his AI and the lession was that anyone who sees life as a chess game, by giving value to humans like they are chess pieces deserves to lose, because life is life and no life is worth more than another (i guess that is objective). In the "flashbacks" videos there is also a szene where the machine does try to save Finch from a driver that fell a sleep diving his car (drunk?) and after that Finch says that the AI cant save him. Friedrich Niche said that there is no good or evil... and Finch also said that AI is born with objetives (i would say everything has an objective as seen in the Maslow pyramid) the only question is who will "win" because history has always been writen by the winners and moral (what Finch was teaching the machine) can be an obstacle to victory. And to come back to the beginning.... in history human males have always sacrificed themself for the "greater good" for example to protect their wife and kids. For some it's an honor become the "martyr" and they find inner peace by knowing that their life "made sense" and this is also the ending on John, who is happy that Finch gave him the chance to fight and in the end go down by saving humanity instead of drinking himself to death.

Control was above CIA and homeland security. She made sure they can't learn it existence. If she could do it so could Samaritan

Samaritan was actually sanctioned and commissioned by the Congress, hence that momentous episode where The Machine gave the Congressman's number. All other gov't agencies were "oblivious" since The Machine only gave IRRELEVANT numbers, meaning ordinary, run-of-the-mill non-threats to national security. The latter was also the reason why for most of the show, the team went unnoticed by the intel. agencies. Same reason why the C/I/A and N/S/A don't get involved in, say, online activities of drug cartels.

Terrence McGarty Greer is too old to run

@@petermartin4142 too old to run 10 feet out of a room that would literally kill him if he stayed in? If I were him, I'd roll those dice

Alright that was from HISHE.

@@st-cm9vy Lol it was a tribute to them

The scene further supports what Finch said about Greer, that he's gone mad. Greer believes human life means nothing, including his own. Greer references them as chess pieces, meaningless. After finding out what he needed from Finch, he declared victory, his purpose complete. He'll willingly go down with Finch just to prove his point. Human life is worthless. The Queen sacrifice, so be it, to Greer they are truly just pieces on a board.

GOT final season killed it from being a GOAT series....POI is a masterpiece

POI - Best Of - Harold' s arrest (the day the world went away) - Greer' s conversation with Grace (beta) 💫 I found myself thinking about that scene today; now I' m dying to see it! ☺😁 - I don't know who you are or how this ends, but... we're done here. No more questions. No more questions about me and my life or Harold - No need to lose your temper - Here's all you need to know about me, old man. My dad was an alcoholic. Nearly tore the family to pieces. The thing about growing up that way? you get good at spotting lies. So good that you start expecting them from everyone. So how do I know what Harold told me was true? Because when he came along, against every instinct, I gave him my trust. Somehow I knew... he would never break it. And if you doubt that, even for a second, you're the one who's lying to himself - You truly loved him, didn't you? - I would have done anything to save him. And Harold would have done anything for me - Yes. I have no doubt - Answer me one question. Why are you so interested in Harold? He's dead - Your tea's gone cold. Feel free to freshen it up That scene is heart - breaking 😢 💫💜

Hadn't thought of it from this perspective

Well, that was one of the interesting twists that Person of Interest made. I mean, you think of all the time they spent in those early Seasons, building him up into like this Bond villain. But then, when they announced his intentions, and then dove even deeper with his backstory, they completely flipped the script. So at the very end, when he became this supplicant toadie with all that "Please Master, be my Savior" nonsense, you just couldn't help but think to yourself, "God, this guy's REALLY kind of pathetic".

Yes

josè muñoz rojas Yeah, he is great!

@@MirzaKhalid the dude is 80+ I think he enjoys being part of small roles in his nephews films

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I don't think so. Harold should be 3rd. He can literally rewrite Samaritan and the machine if he wants to. As he said in his "rule" speech. He was holding back so much.

Lmao I just realized

Yes he could and him not escaping is a point. Samaritan asked him to die and he was blindly willing to give his life to his god. The scene is pivotal here because what you see is the two AIs fathers trapped in a room.(greer didnt create Samaritan but he arranged its birth) Greer the devoted obedient loyal servant Samaritan asked to die for no reason because everyone was irrelevant to Samaritan (Samaritan could have had Finch shot) Finch feared, crippled, hurt, and tried to kill the machine but the Machine still forgave him and did everthing she could to save Finch Which AI should you put your faith in?

@@jonreese7066 I

I think it was more about eliminating the two people alive in the world capable of representing a threat to Samaritan.

The Machine used the phone screen to blink the door passcode.

@@xpk3 If you want to go futher it was so stupid of samaritain and to greer to think the machine didnt knew the code for deploying the virus ..wich he bet his life and sacrifice wich fail funny enough..later you just hear the machine give to harold the code that he though (harold) the machine didnt knew but come to the conclusion that the machine know him to much ....So yeah Poor greer ps ; dashwood was the password i think

root you still alive?

You think an ASI isn't capable of obtaining the maintenance it needs? Clearly it can receive any and all human assistance it could ever need, as evidenced by the show multiple times.

It makes sense in a way, its not so much the methods of control but the intent behind it. He sees AI as the perfect parent. One which cannot be corrupted and trusts in it knowing best. If the machine decides to "un-alive" a person (KZfaq doesn't like no no words) it doesn't do it out of spite or a personal grudge against them but for a "greater good" at least he truly believes that. Harold on the other hand doesn't trust AI to have human interests in consideration, after all at least one of the prototypes tried to kill him.

Personally, I rather liked the parallels to Greek and Roman mythology they went with and the theatre style dialogues between Greer and Finch when they met. It addressed questions of AI quite nicely in my opinion. I will admit though that it became a bit narrow, especially in seasons 4 and 5. Before you got everything from Greek mythology, to coding allegories, to Japanese legends, to gangster film references. It was definitely part cop-show, part sci-fi. Then it came a bit too focused on the sci-fi and mythology side of things. You would get smaller scale New York things and the occasional suggestion of something bigger with the arrival of a government member or Greer but with Samaritan, that just went out the window. To be fair on the producers though, I think they were rushed by studio executives.

That's some stupid opinion ngl

Are you saying Person of Interest's script is the same as any? Please recommend those shows that are like this one so I can watch them...

Shooting people in the knee caps started literally in the first episode.

lol do you even understand how much better it got after she died,the fight between the two ASIs and the ethics between them

Lol, it literally only became epic afterwards.

@@nihleigleca6702 I agree, but everyone wasn't going to go along for that ride when they changed the show. To me, Season 3 was by far the best of the series, it was great from beginning to end with only a few slow filler episodes, but Season 4 was a bit hokey and contrived, they pushed things a bit too far with the team having to be undercover yet still saving the numbers, I mean they kind of painted themselves into a corner. It was an ambitious idea, I suppose where the show had to go after Samaritan came online at the end of Season 3, and of course it was the writers way of examining the negative aspects of mass surveillance paired with an ASI, the harm it could have, but it was too difficult to pull-off in a way that would keep the interest of many viewers; I think a lot abandoned the show at this point even though YHWH was one of the best episodes ever, if a bit over the top in theatrical effects. Season 5 had some great episodes, in my opinion the Season premier BSOD, along with SNAFU and 6,741 were among the best of the series, but I think Root's shtick was wearing a bit thin and ultimately the show needed to be wound down. I think Shaw's absence, while necessary, did have a somewhat negative effect on the show, even if the writers did handle it fairly well. Ultimately, the show was very good, but it was uneven at times and many could see it starting to falter.

@@mydogskips2 Yeah I too think season 3 was the most well-made. Afterwards, basically Jonathan Nolan had his mind turned onto the Westworld and the lack of attention to detail in POI started to show. Also, the CBS cancellation also rushed the plotline. It's a real shame that this show never fully realized the potential it had.