Please stand in every constituency at the next election and you've got my vote!

If there were two contemporary Brits that I'd like to put in a room to converse, it would be these two. Actual discussion on actual key concepts and the importance of world view. Hitchens analysis of what has happened becomes sharper every year.

I abandoned the Tories today after 36 years.Tribalism is exactly why we are in the mess we're in. The Tories are socially and economically liberal. If you want a party defending family, nation state and community don't vote Tory or Labour.

Go to Church. Turn off the TV. Turn off your devices. Engage in community & culture. Read about your ancestors. Resurrect tradition and live it as best you can.

Who could have thought that the SDP, of all parties, would end up as one of the few torch holders for decency and truth.

I've learned so much from reading & listening to Peter over the past few months, he has inspired me a great deal. Just love courageous free thinkers 👏👏👏

I joined the party today, we must all collectively pushed this movement forward tell people about it, this party will attract both Labour and conservative voters who are disenchanted with their parties

I am politically homeless at the moment. I've just read, with enthusiasm, Christopher Insole's "Politics of human frailty" which seems to me similar so hope this venture grows as there must be many like myself who feel stuck between a "rock and a hard place"!

When he said 'Tribalism' being the obstacle of any worthwhile political change he nailed it in a word. We will vote for a dead sheep as long as it is adorned with the appropriately coloured rosette.

For all of Peter’s creditable opinions I wish he wouldn’t dominate conversations with Interruptions quite so much. Especially if his general stance on social conservatism is it’s now a lost cause, that’s not what social conservatism needs. It needs ideas and vocal representation. Middle England know much of these values instinctively. Keep attacking William, your support is gradually growing.

A good listen, but I’d say it’s no bad thing for Peter Hutchins to stay out of the SDP or any other party because he doesn’t seem to be a person comfortable with being in a gang. He’s a bit like one of those Old Testament prophets standing alone and warning others of their i impending demise if they don’t change their ways. I’d rather like to see a conversation between William Clouston and Esther Krakue, in future.

Excellent conversation! Pity Mr Hitchens won't throw his hat back in the ring for the SDP!

I couldn't find an SDP runner in Liverpool West Derby last year. Sadly it's very tribal here anyway. I think most people in my area still believe Labour are for the working class, or they still hate Thatcher, and automatically put a cross in the Labour box.

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I just became a member of the SDP. A sorely needed political voice and I want it to grow. "Trying to tell the difference between change and progress." Perfectly put.

Great interview, I enjoyed it thoroughly

I’ve spoiled my ballot for years here in Kent Are the SDP present in Kent ? Always time for Peter Hitchens 👍

A brilliant conversation, gentlemen: thank you.

Really like the description of social conservatism given by Peter

It's damn true. Changing your mind on various topics will indeed make you lose friends. But sometimes having to talk to the wall if better than attempting to speak logic to a bunch of oafs.

I may of just found my new political home. 🤔

In the past, "social conservatism" meant just that, and thoroughly so. In fact, people of the past had the luxury of espousing these views largely unconsciously. This (and the previously tenable notion of democracy), were only possible due to being subjects in an ethnically homogeneous state, with the corresponding sense of being generally at evens with your fellows. The social conservatives of the past would find the modern "social conservative" a travesty. That inch between the two parties mentioned by Peter may have applied at some point previous, but nowadays, within a society as fragmented and removed from intuition as it is, the spectrum of societal discourse has become far greater than this inch, extending much further than either end, rendering the two-party system redundant. Sadly, today's social conservatism today essentially and effectively rounds down to milquetoast conservatism. As long as "conservatism" fails to take stock of the direct and irreconcilable conflict between different ethnic interests within a nation, it will remain at its current station in society, at best. Conservatism favours decency (and had in doing so been able to successfully sustain itself) but in the current context this will be its undoing. The conservative's sense of yearning is palpable, understandably, but this is an increasingly tragic yearning (see the creeping sense of tragedy and resignation in Scruton's output, to whom I nonetheless owe an enormous amount for my own development). Like a grown man competing against an impetuous child in a game, and repeatedly, deliberately missing (but only slightly missing) his target so as not to upset the child, social conservatism continues to consciously miss the point, in the interest of "good taste". The result is that the man loses the game, and that the conservative ultimately loses his nation.

I was with you all the way, but it was practically impossible to have a proper Conservative party while we had a Keynesian banking system. We have to rely on Trump to bring that down. Then we will have a new “ dialectic”. Probably conservatism vs classical liberalism. We will also have to have parties named after what they actually stand for. Do Conservatives really want to conserve what we have ? Liberal Democrats are neither liberal, nor democratic. The SNP are not nationalist - They are globalists. The Fabians infiltrated all the parties a long time ago.

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An intelligent party leader! Wow! We social conservatives have been squeezed out and made into spectators. Social conservatism has been largely erased in the education system and social conservatives are treated with great suspicion. Empirically-grounded criticism of ideas or policies or whatever is responded to with instant suppression. You were right about the Tories letting everyone down.

"If I'm being wrong..." - that's the most important thought most people omit systematically. But I might be wrong about that statement.

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We are becoming like the image of God. We are human beings. We learn as we walk through the journey of our lives. We are not human doings. We find our humility toward god as we become fathers and mothers, true friends, true colleagues etc. We throw out the love of God at our peril. The downfall of the family has been the biggest change in our country s history and we lack so much because of this. Thank you for this discussion .

20:00 ... The reason people wonder about whether social conservatism is compatible with social democracy is because social democracy has been a byword for gradual communism for the past 100 years or so...

Weird ending

Peter Hitchens is such a pessimist that he doesn't think the fight can won, which is why he didn't support Brexit. So don't let him put you off political action.

Social democracy i.e. mixed market economy with closed borders and low immigration is what i want. I care massively about immigration, critical race theory, post modernism. And ofcourse excessive bank sector control on the economy and re-industrialisation ,affordable housing,sustainability and science and technology research and development. I don't, on the other hand are about weed

An interesting mind has Peter but not the greatest debater . I would find a conversation with him very frustrating.

As a Scandinavian I would say that it is not possible to be a social democrat and a social conservative. The best case would be a soft-social democrat. There are two reasons for why: Firstly, social democracy is still based on a socialist goal of equality. The wish to equalize everything is inherently anti-conservative. You cannot support social conservative policies to the family, with traditional gender roles, traditional views of marriage and regard parrents as knowing what's best for the children rather than the state while being a social democrat who supports equality. Social democracy also generally support equality regarding gender outcomes, encouraging women to go out in the workforce and seeking big careers and spending years on higher education, all in the goal of equality. Sure, you could potentially have it both ways, but if that does not become possible, social democracy encourages equality rather than social conservative norms. The other problem is more in regards to consequence of social democracy. Social democracy encourages the state to take on the burdens that usually befell civil society. Things like neighbourhoods, extended family, local community, the Church etc. becomes the role of the state. This weakens social cohesion because instead of relying on these social institutions for help, you now rely on the state. This fosters individualism and atomization and thus weakens the kind of society that the social conservative desires. This was even the goal of Scandinavian social democrats. It's called State Individualism. However, there is the possibility of being a weak or soft social democrat. I personally believe that things like health insurance should be public for example. Certain things that would be a public good, but perhaps too expensive for families to deal with, should probably be part of the state's role. There are certainly other things which should be under the state, but the giant welfare state is not something that supports social conservative ideas.

On tribalism, there is virtually no difference in party affiliation across class anymore. The dividing line is age, and as a Scot I have to mention geography

I get the Feeling Peter is a Hobbit living in the Shire where Saruman was not defeated and quite possibly welcomed. I know I do.

Maybe the party political system is what is outdated. ☕🌱

Please try and get Russell Brand on at least to up your public awareness. Think tactically and pragmatically in engaging the mainstream, only then in my view will you stand a chance of having support at the next election. If you bag Jordan Peterson, if he returns to public life. You'll be up to your chest in new members. Your values of family, community, nation and he's views on the sanctity of that as the cornerstone of the west will win hearts and minds in my perhaps ignorant view

Peter speaks a lot of sense. But he doesn't fit into any type of political party.

Well at least Hitchens believes in re-nationalising the railways. That's a start. And it was interesting to hear him say that Academy schools are a form of nationalisation. I'm pleased to hear William say that free-market economics and conservatism do not go together. You can't conserve anything if, for example, you allow young people to be priced out of the housing market.

It occurs to me that if you're socially conservative you're almost inevitably going to have at least some social democratic views. If you believe that order and wellbeing are achieved through things like maintaining the family unit in society, you're going to want a way for people to easily have the economic means to start and maintain one. I mean, you get Blue Labour types (not as MPs in the current party) who are essentially socialists/base a lot of their thought around community but want lower levels of immigration, reforms to welfare etc. and seem to be in favour of maintaining traditional British institutions like the monarchy. Think they're even in favour of gay marriage but frame it as a way of preserving the family unit/institution of marriage.

Sop talking over him.

Bring back the Fasc.

Was "deconstructing the idea of biologically based sex" the nice way of talking about lgbt rights?

They are coming for you, libertarian. Pick a side.

I am not a liberal or a capitalist. I am a conservative Christian who is completely anti abortion, pro traditional marriage and do not support gay marriage due to my religious convictions. I live in the USA ,and do not embrace car centric culture. Does this make me a conservative socialist? I dont think capitalism is Biblical. Republicans typically share my moral beliefs, but not my economical beliefs. Democrats do not share my moral beliefs, but I tend to agree with them on issues like public transportation. I feel I don't have a voice here. What does it mean in the UK to be a social democrat?

He does speak some nonsense at times - wishes the motor car hadn't been invented...

biological sex...

Talk talk talk … BS .. DONT VOTE MUSLIM LABOUR

Just when I thought Hitchens couldn't be any more of a joke....

I like him up to the point when he disagrees with anything, at which point he shuts down and doesn’t accept whatever it is. He said he listens to his opponents.... Sit him down with some friends and some of his favourite music, and give him some edible cannabis. I’m sure he’ll have a harmless and enjoyable, maybe revealing experience. I know he drinks so what’s the difference?

No religion please!!