Anybody who tries to Justify their Sin has already Lost the Debate.

The debate was very painful to watch because I agree with Doug and he was back on his heals almost the entire time. His arguments were difficult to understand and his analogies lacked relevance. He seemed to lack confidence. Andrew, on the other hand, was far more passionate and used every emotional trigger known to the left to make his points. Doug had the upper hand with the moral argument but seemed afraid to use or defend it for fear of seeming confrontational. That fear never crossed Andrew's mind. He went for the jugular and got his fangs deeply into it, sorry to say. Andrew kept referencing his Catholicism which he used to deflect attacks on his moral deficiencies. Sadly, he didn't need to. Anyone who knows anything about Roman Catholicism knows that Andrew is the very worst of Catholics. He is polytheistic, immoral and a disgrace to the Catholic faith. His view on marriage in no way aligns with Catholic doctrine. His comments during the debate were the equivalent of giving the middle finger to his religion. He should have been nailed to the wall. How dare he criticize conservatives and evangelicals and be allowed to get away with it. He represents the prince of hypocrites. This discussion with Peter Hitchens appeared to me a meeting where Doug was subliminally asking Peter, "Where did I go wrong?" Peter was polite.

Hitchens vs Douglas, a very different collision!

Thanks again for modelling cultural courage, Doug!

When you're the one presuming to change an age-old institution to suit your whims, I'd say you arrogance far exceeds mine.

If you're incapable of keeping a vow, you have no business making one in the first place. Stay well clear of marriage (and any other long-term commitments), as you obviously don't have the maturity to see them through.

So in other words were back in the days of Jesus where a husband could divorced his wife at the drop of a notice because he wanted a different sexual partner. Except now its anybody for any reason. - Its not just about ending relationships because of abuse, its about ending relationships for any reason, even stupid reasons. - Relationships are NOT just about sex, not even marriages.

Well. That was depressing. Good thing Jesus is King.

I may have missed an apostrophe and used a few ALL CAPS but I am certain that it is comprehensible.

Wow!

Prescient.

You'll have to rephrase that into comprehensible English if you expect me to respond to it.

COVID 19 and a half and he don't give a f%$5 what a legend.

What's up with Peter? Did he catch a cold or something?

Peter Hitchens sounds a lot like Prince Charles here.

Actually hes saying that this legislation allows the government the right to force a willing couple apart, and that is a violation of privacy. - How you drew the idea that it forces unwilling people to stay together I'm not sure.

very vveak

spoilt by the invasion of the flu bug

The moment Doug lost the debate was when Andrew asked him “why have been the bad consequences of gay marriage”, and Doug said “I’m a Christian and I believe in the scriptures”.

I much prefer the term "natural marriage," or just "marriage," to "Christian marriage."

No, I long ago realized that discussing subjects with people who, from the outset, dismiss them out of hand, is a waste of time (like this conversation). Nor do I care how poor you think my Biblical knowledge is, so save the bait. No doubt you're just another who's memorized the portions of scripture you find most distasteful. How original.

Save it. I have no interest in hearing your twisted interpretations of history, Biblical or otherwise. I don't debate scripture with atheists (I'm assuming); pearls before swine and all that.

My, this has aged badly hasn't it?

Really? I usually find that that the only argument worth having is with people who disagree with me. It sure is the only one that sometimes changes my opinion. I can quote the happy parts of the Bible at length, and I do love them. It's just that the stupid and evil parts are way more fun to discuss with Christians. Which is why I commented on this video in the first place.

"Christian marriage"?

i have some sympathy with conservative chrisitians who feel left out of changing cultural norms regarding same sex marriage, the teaching of science in schools, and even atheism. ultimately, people have to decide if they want to live in a secular constitutional republic (which we live in) or a theocracy (which we dont live in). most of us believers and all non believers dont want to live in any theocracy. until conservative religious people accept this fact, they will always feel left out.

I think three words from my last post will sum up your comment quite nicely: enormous theocratic arrogance.

When only one part wants to be in a relationship it is no longer a willing couple. How could that possibly be difficult to understand? By analogy, when two people want to have sex, it's called intercourse. When only one does, it's called rape.

OK fine. If you're not interested in discussing the Bible with people who disagree with you, you're in effect not interested in the Bible at all. You're just interested in preserving your own twisted opinions. And if the "pearls before swine" quote is the best Bible verse you can come up with, it just reinforces my assumption that you haven't actually read it.

Don't be talking to me, I've been married for 12 years, and we have every intention of staying together for life. The point is, not everyone is so lucky. Especially when it happens too early in life, some couples just grow apart and without any bad intentions make each other's lives a living hell. To demand that they still stay together and live out their lives in misery is just the kind of enormous theocratic arrogance that I would have thought civilized society would have stamped out by now.

3:23 So not forcing unwilling adults to live together is an immense invasion of individual privacy by the state?!? Holy crap, how is it even possible for a sentient being to have his thinking so twisted and distorted?

was god married to mary when he did her?