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Fellow (social) anarchist here, I absolutely agree. The investing part of kropotkin is his science. I believe that all politics is scientific, and that philosophy is only the basis of an ideology, not the evidence. This is something that has led me to take politics into my own hands and with science as the basis of my thinking. One of my main goals in life is to make social anarchism (The term I use for Anarcho communism - Separating it from Marxism because the word is in fact Marxist vocabulary, even if it fits Anarcho communism more.) Completely scientific, concrete, and answer contradictions in detail to make it truly the most developed ideology, as with anarchism being so diverse, frankly every known anarchist has their own different ideology.

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That's a very good point. It doesn't seem very civilised to me, to say live in a society were children go hungry because they don't happen to have parents from the "right" social background. Where peoples potential is stifled for selfish arbitrary reasons. It's something Kropotkin does touch on, in somewhat occasionally dated language. He goes on at great length about the many virtues of so called "uncivilised societies" that we had forgotten in our race for profit. That isn't to say he suggests a primitivist return to nature, more that we should synthesise what is serviceable and just from the past and the present. Though what that is I don't think even Kropotkin knew for sure. But back to the original point, I agree until we actively combat these issues and begin to make sustainable progress, we have no right to say that our societies are "civilised".

Leftism rightism over simplifies this whole thing its more like a 3D cube than a 1D spectrum. So much of marx disagrees with both republican conservativism and neo liberalism.

@@hamburgerdan101 Egalitarian leftist economics. Look at the biological economics of your body. All of the cells and organs get full nutrition. Wounded areas get more attention. No cell or organ hoards all of the resources. Egalitarian leftism!

thank you for the kind words

Glad you enjoyed it!

For what it's worth, most practicing anarchists understand that the world they hope for is generations away at best. But they still feel like the world they hope for their grandchildren's grandchildren can't exist if they don't put in the work today. And there are definitely worse ways to spend your time than operating community fridges, kitchens, or local disaster relief groups. Many folks are putting in real and good work to help their communities, and that's the world they're raising their children in as well (if they have any). I'm not going to dunk on anyone who's honestly putting in the work to make the world a better place, whether I agree with them about everything or not.

Every governmental and economic system is very deeply complicated, so there's always more to understand the technicalities of government under anarchist systems.

@@shadowcween7890 that is fair, maybe i just haven't looked into it all enough

Glad you've found it interesting. To be honest I'm not really sure what I am outside of being vaguely leftist and anti-authoritarian. I have been enjoying my exploration of classic Marxist and Anarchist literature, from people like Marx, Luxemburg, Kropotkin and Goldman

@@dunning-krugerphilosophy5919 By "authoritarian" what do you mean? Every anarchist seems to have a different or vague definition of what it is. Isn't it "authoritarian" to use coercive authority against the capitalists?

​@@element1192what do you mean by coercive authority against capitalists?

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@shadowcween7890 it's the only way to not get instantaneously put on a watch list lol.

Class society can never be "consensual" because if the working class were to be independent, there would be no capitalist class. So long as the working class needs wage labor to survive, the class as a whole cannot choose whether or not they want to work for themselves. If the farmers own the fields, the assembly line workers the factories, the oil workers the pipelines, only then can people actually be free

Murray Rothbard wasn't an anarchist. Capital accummulation is antithetical to anarchism, anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. States are organizations that act on behalf of the interest of the ruling class. The biggest problems with states so far has been that they act on behalf of capital owners rather than the people they claim to represent. Businesses act for the interests of capital owners by design. Even if stateless capitalism was possible nothing about it would be anarchic.

There is some serious anti-Semitism in the anarchist tradition especially from the likes of Proudhon and Bakunin, I was not aware of any rampant anti-Semitism from Kropotkin (outside of a general disregard for religion). Though it would not surprise me too much, it was fairly prevalent at the time. Your comment had me curious/concerned so I did have a brief look into this. In the 1990 Modern Judaism article: Anarcho-Nationalism: "Anarchist Attitudes towards Jewish Nationalism and Zionism", Kropotkin is described by author Mina Grauer as "the first anarchist philosopher to deal with the Jewish national problem in a manner devoid of racial prejudices", before going on to critique some of Kropotkin's views on the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine (which I would guess is the source of the claims of antisemitism). On a side note historically there were many Jewish anarchists such as Gustav Landauer and Murray Bookchin, as well as a prominent Jewish anarchist journal, Fraye Arbeter Shtime, to which Kropotkin was a contributor. If you would be able to point me in the right direction of where to look, it would be very helpful. I'm fairly new to my interest in the anarchist tradition, so please take everything I've said with a grain of salt. Thanks for commenting.

@@dunning-krugerphilosophy5919 you did have to write a chapter on this

There is still time to delete your comment bro.

@@1997lordofdoom are you really going to allow antisemitism from your hero?

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At 6:50 the flaw in his thinking is the most clear when he brings up the concept of the “fair share of work”. A fair share judged by whom? He’s suggesting that the efforts of the guy who sweeps the floor at a factory are commensurate to the efforts of the entrepreneur who conceived and designed the product, went into crushing debt and took extraordinary risk to finance and build the business, and who works 100 hours a week running it. Fair share….its just preposterous fantasy thinking. Its not serious at all. In fact it does a monstrous disservice to the cause of seriously examining and solving the problem. This ludicrous bullshit nonsense leads many people astray that could be seriously working on the problem, totally hijacks their energy and efforts and wastes them. Quit spreading this fucking crap!

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Your whole argument is completely stupid, if you take into account that humans will do anything to survive. And these potential actions are realised better with cooperation and mutuality as humans are necessarily social. As for your "about the lazy people who wouldn't do anything", laziness doesn't exist. Surprised? Laziness is just a derogatory social construct that dehumanises people who are simply unable to do work for multiple factors, external and internal that prevents people from being productive with their time. As for your "will the janitor get the same amount of profit as the entrepreneur?", the answer is no. People will be free to do whatever they want. And for the jobs that no one wants to do, we can still get volunteers to do them and heck, automation will take out most of these kinds of jobs. Where as the entrepreneur just straight up robs value of the workers from them while they get the full value of their part themselves. And i do need to remind you that individuals are limited by material conditions too which prevents them from learning useful skills to be entrepreneurs themselves? Please read a book next time.

“Your whole argument is completely stupid….. Please read a book next time.” Right. Ad Hominem. The bookends of the classic, zero substance marxist/anarchist reply, the tired old defense mechanism. Are you sure my comment wasn’t “reductionist” also? ANYWAY, if you believe that there are no lazy people, that laziness doesn’t exist, than youre exactly the sort of ridiculous utopian dreamer that’s always found right where you are, and where you belong: on the utter margins and dustbins of political thought. Youre just not serious people worthy of serious discussions. Its like believing in Santa Claus. Then you go even further down the ludicrous fantasy tubes: “People will be free to do whatever they want” which illuminates the whole problem. If people will be free to do whatever they want, then people like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin will be free to do what THEY want, which is to take EVERYTHING and subjugate EVERYONE. Unless, like the marxist experiments of the 20th century showed, unless you use extraordinary force and tyranny to keep those types of people under control, which kinda sorta defeats the whole purpose right? And then you save the best for last, propping up marx’s ludicrous and hateful “surplus value”….completely dismissing the huge labors and contributions of the entrepreneurs and managers in a firm, saying that workers produce ALL of the value of a product. An absolutely despicable sleight of hand done out of hatred of the owning/managing classes. The good news is that any serious economist, or anyone with a fully functioning brain, sees the ploy immediately, and relegates you idiots, again, to the margins., When you people are ready to get serious and solve the problems of human inequality, youll quit denying away the causes of these problems. Otherwise youre just wasting your lives thinking about this ludicrous shit. There are real problems that need to be addressed and solved, and you and Kropotkin are doing a massive disservice to the issue with your preposterous fantasies.

Looks like you guys or KZfaq removed my response to this that i just put up. Fucking cowards. If you can’t handle serious debate, why do you put your crap out there like this? Ill see if this one stays up. But im not wasting much time on it. “Laziness is just a derogatory social construct” Laziness and lazy people dont exist? If you believe that, you’re a moron. Worse. You’re crazy. There’s no other way to describe someone who is that delusional. But i dont believe you actually believe that. You know quite well that a great many people are totally useless and just sit around doing nothing. You just want to stick your head in the sand in the ludicrous utopian socialist tradition. The good news is that people like you are relegated to the margins with that nonsense. The bad news is that its a hell of a lot of wasted energy that could be dedicated to actually solving the problem. Its a real waste. “People will be free to do whatever they want” Really? Ok. Then people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin will also be able to do whatever THEY want, which is take EVERYTHING for themselves, and subjugate as many people as possible. Which means you’ll be right back to square one. Unless you use force and bloody tyranny on them, like every marxist experiment of the 20th and 21st centuries, which is really what you want anyway, isn’t it? “Where as the entrepreneur just straight up robs value of the workers from them while they get the full value of their part themselves” And this, the most idiotic part. Now you’re really a complete moron, idiotically parroting Marx’s hateful sleight of hand, his “surplus value”, in which his hatred of the owning/managing classes led him to completely discount their tremendous labors and contributions to production, saying ALL of the value of a product comes from the labor of the lower level workers. Absolutely preposterous, idiotic, and ignorant. Quit wasting your time and energy on this nonsense! There are real problems in the world, and you guys have been lead seriously astray by morons like Kropotkin and marx, who deny away the root causes of these problems, ensuring that we will never face them and solve them! Its time to get serious!

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