Living with the Hyundai IONIQ PHEV - Real-world MPG test !

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Petrol Ped

Petrol Ped

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks to Hyundai UK I had an Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid for a week and finally had the chance to put to test the fuel economy claims ! Can this car really do 250 miles per gallon ?
I go on a road trip with a range of different road types and journey lengths...but what will my MPG be ?
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@charlieharper4934
@charlieharper4934 5 жыл бұрын
I drive the big brother of the Ioniq plug-in, the Sonata plug-in, which I've had for two years. Last month (September), I used the car for my normal, daily routine of a 26 mile roundtrip into the city and back, with an occasional longer trek around the area. At the end of the month, I had logged 973 miles, on about 1/4 tank of gas. I decided to top up the tank to see just how much fuel I had used. It came to 4.54 gallons. That's 214 mpg. Not imaginary. Not incredibly unlikely. Just routine for this driving pattern. On a 1,000 mile vacation drive earlier this year, with no recharging, the mileage was over 50 mpg. And that's at interstate freeway speeds. IF you have a daily drive which falls within or just a bit over the full charge mileage limit, you will realize the seemingly mythical claims of 200 or more mile per gallon for these vehicles. It's just physics, after all.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting thank you. Pretty much what I say in this film 👍
@brekkoh
@brekkoh 5 жыл бұрын
That's why the figure for fuel economy value for plug in hybrids and fuel electric vehicles is different because you don't get the full picture by excluding the energy cost of charging the vehicle.
@peteroberts7637
@peteroberts7637 5 жыл бұрын
why do nun of these tests take into account of the cost of the electric
@YamadaDesigns
@YamadaDesigns 5 жыл бұрын
How often do you have to plug-in?
@TheKrysis
@TheKrysis 4 жыл бұрын
@@peteroberts7637 It's free, and charging it at your home it costs exactly £3.75
@fandango5900
@fandango5900 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Can’t imagine not wanting a hybrid vs a bev for the next 10-15 yrs. Few worries yet huge mpg. A good transition car as long as it’s reliable. If I’m increasing my mpg by 50-100% every time I buy a car (every 10-15 yrs), then we continually proceed in right direction by reducing the effects of pollution. My first car in the early ‘70’s avg 11 mpg.
@michaeltutty1540
@michaeltutty1540 3 жыл бұрын
Mileage is a direct result of torque and revs. I had an 89 Mercury Grand Marquis I custom ordered. I was one of about 6 people who ordered the 5.8 litre (351CID) engine and the heavy duty trailer towing package. The torque output was 390 lb/ft at 2,200 rpm. With a 2.73:1 axle and 0.6:1 overdrive, the car was turning about 1,500 rpm on the motorway at 70 mph. Being in the thick of the torque, the engine never worked. On a straight run, the car returned 40 mpg in purely stock form. There were ways to upgrade from there. A solid, repeatable 55 mpg was achievable, although the car was wrecked in a crash before I got the work done. It also had the aerodynamics of a cardboard box. Oh, and that was with a carburetor and no computer anything. Makes me wonder what is wrong with modern cars.
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
Only of you plug em in. Of you do, it's quite a micromanagey experience having to do it every on the avg commute. Where as I can do 2-3 weeks on my full ev. Don't have to maintain a petrol engine, don't have to cart one around, don't have to burn a 30% efficient fuel. Don't have cold starts on an engine with poor mpg, and higher particulates.
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeltutty1540 got 60mpg in my suzuki swift with dual injectors straight of the forecourt 🤷‍♂️
@jakebookhunter7070
@jakebookhunter7070 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there! First of all: Thanks for your great reviews! This one helped me a lot, as I am in the middle of buying a hybrid... Considering the annoying "foot-hand-brake pedal" (...) in the Hyundai ionic.... guess, what I saw on the pics of the 2020 ionic facelift..???!! YES!! A button that looks to me like an electrical operated "Hand-brake-button" !! :-)) Keep up your good work! Greetings from Switzerland
@frasermacleod7642
@frasermacleod7642 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Great to get real stats and figures and to see more of the issues that can arise with these vehicles on a daily basis. Cheers
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Fraser :-)
@carssucksince1800s
@carssucksince1800s 3 жыл бұрын
I think to improve fuel economy you'd drive EV on the streets, where stop and go is more common, and then switch to hybrid on the freeway and back to EV when getting off. But 68MPG is very good for a gasoline powered vehicle.
@AsadKhan-yz9be
@AsadKhan-yz9be 2 жыл бұрын
I do 62.5mpg on hybrid And he drove mostly on motorway Plus if he bexome use to of ioniq its regenrate alot and will easily gives 72mpg i feel
@BigVern1980
@BigVern1980 2 жыл бұрын
Great video that highlights the difference between the lab tests and real world driving! As the lab tests are carried out over a very short distance and very little time at 70mph the results get skewed for hybrids giving rise to these daft numbers. Close to 70mpg on petrol in the real worl is impressive though so I would seriously consider one of these myself
@nicolasberchoux3782
@nicolasberchoux3782 5 жыл бұрын
As always...a very interesting review. Thanks for it Ped. 👌👍😊
@YamadaDesigns
@YamadaDesigns 5 жыл бұрын
I think PHEV is the best option for people who do not have long commutes but don’t want to commit to BEV and always have to worry about charging.
@FHB71
@FHB71 5 жыл бұрын
I own the PHEV for a few weeks now and you are right, it all depends on how it is used. I have driven about 1600km so far and I have still half a tank of gas (ca. 20L). As soon as the wether gets colder, it will power up the ICE as soon as you start your drive, but it will just idle and charge the battery in order to produce warm water to warm the cabin, that will increase the fuel consumption a bit, but on the other hand, the engine is pre-warmed and will not have to power up with completely cold oil and deliver power when you push the pedal too far.
@waynekerr3345
@waynekerr3345 4 жыл бұрын
I know why your car hadn't charged properly when you stayed at your friend's house... He switched it off, and thought cheeky bastard wanting to use all my electricity 😂😂
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 4 жыл бұрын
LOL 😂
@kaya051285
@kaya051285 4 жыл бұрын
This is actually a problem With smart meters hopefully in the future you can plug in anywhere and the electricity used by your car will be billed to you directly rather than the home owner This way you can plug in anywhere and everywhere without offending anyone or feeling like you are taking the pi**
@TheNodrog62
@TheNodrog62 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaya051285 a time will come when all residential street will come with street charging pods and we will.all.have a RFID type card that will sort out payments or pay a monthly subscription for free access
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaya051285 ubitricity - pay to charge from the lamppost on their street - 14p/kwh they say IIRC
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
@James Stewartor just you know be grown up about it, ask what his tariff is, pay them double and ask for a beer?
@bobholmes4215
@bobholmes4215 5 жыл бұрын
This was spot-on. It perfectly demonstrated what I could expect to get out of a PHEV with the kind of trips I do. Thanks a lot! As an aside, I'd love to know how they calculated that 200+ mpg brochure figure.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
So would I 😜😂
@hugopendlebury
@hugopendlebury 3 жыл бұрын
You really shouldn’t use an extension lead and take such a large power draw whilst there is still cable on the coil. The safe wattage can be as much as half. Always fully uncoil the cable.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 2 жыл бұрын
Good life advice for cables in general tbh, not just for charging EVs
@henryviiifake8244
@henryviiifake8244 3 ай бұрын
Does the inductance - when there's still cable coiled up - mess with whatever is on the end of the lead (a charging PHEV, in this case), or is there some other reason.
@Inmate533
@Inmate533 5 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up mate. Most reviews I've read about the Ioniq say it averages 55 - 59 mpg for the typical morning commute.
@unwisemonkey2945
@unwisemonkey2945 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you
@shawnsereal4175
@shawnsereal4175 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 2018 Ioniq limited. My daily round trip commute to work and back is 64 miles. I fully charge my car every night. As of now, my average mpg is 82.6 mpg. My charge takes me approximately 25 miles cruising highway at 70mph. I use hybrid mode all the way to work which is 32 miles. Coming home I use all 29 miles of EV which usually last approximately 25 miles due to a couple of steep inclines and 70 mph speed. I think 82.6 is an excellent mpg for a vehicle with today's high gas prices. Too bad Hyundai didn't put a larger capacity battery in Ioniq PHEV. A battery that can do at least 50 miles would have made this the best phev ever created.
@davidcohen874
@davidcohen874 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I will be adding petrol form time to time and quite often we exceed the battery range on the motorway so the engine does run but I will take your advice. In a proper charger it takes just over 2 hours or 4 hours on the mains. Even when the battery is run down it runs on EV at slower speeds. The heater takes a while to get going. Lets see what happens in the winter. We only add 10 litres so we add fresh petrol more often.
@rolonow12
@rolonow12 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. You calculated fuel was 5.24 galls but divided range by 5.34. So mpg is slightly better at almost 70. As a Panamera Hybrid owner, I average 34, but not envious. I do love the nil VED though (registered before April 2017). A Panamera Hybrid has a switch to recharge while driving which I use when cruising above 60, so that I can have EV mode in built up areas, mpg suffers a little. On a 2500 mile Euro Drive last month, I didn't bother taking the charge cable with me. I see as little as 10 miles and up to 22miles EV range fully charged, but it needs to be driven really slow to maximise the range, not something I do. I' m fully converted to Hybrid and hope to change up to the current Panamera soon. Thanks again for well presented and edited videos.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
It was a slip of the tongue 😛In my full review of the Ioniq that goes live on Monday I actually say that the only PHEV I would currently consider was the Panamera Sport Turismo. A simply awesome car 👍
@janettaschuch3591
@janettaschuch3591 5 жыл бұрын
We have & love the Ionic blue hybrid. It gets 60 mpg up hill & 70 mpg downhill.
@DermotCarroll
@DermotCarroll 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a really interesting piece! Especially since I have just taken delivery of a 2017 c350e estate. This has a rather small electric range od 19 kilometers, or in real speak about 10 miles. I work remotely, so from Monday to Friday most of my driving is to the shop to buy lunch, which is less than a two mile trip - I expect Monday to Friday will be free motoring. I think the plugin hybrid works in an inverted say to thinking about most other ICE vehicles. These are way better for short hop journeys, and get more thirsty as the journeys get longer. I was out and about today, and was getting 70+ mpg, until I started to play with sport+ mode. Oh boy - can this car be fast!! 0 to 62 in 5.9 seconds - a claimed figure, but I believe it! I love the way it blips on the down changes - but I think this mode is likely to greatly assist in the collection of penalty points!!! I am in two minds of how to be OCD with this car - Should I try to maximise my fuel consumption, or do I have a ball and see how low I can get it?? :D ... I am kind of kidding! ... I didn't set out to buy a PHEV, but I found the car, got a good deal, and here I am. By the way, my last car was an e350CDI, which I liked! ... It was a proper broad-shouldered, hairy-chested motorway muncher! I am very surprised to see how much nicer the C-class is to drive! NOt sure if PHEVs are the answer though. Apparently the batteries die after about 6 years, and cost ... about 6,000 to replace. That's ok the first time around - but what happens when the car is 10 to 12 years old? ... when it's not economically sensible to spend that sort of money? ... Surely this is not a green future? All governments are pushing us towards EV/Hybrid vehicles, in a similar way to how we were being pushed towards diesels! Tuens out Clarkson was right, when he called diesels the fuel of satan! .. What is the answer? I personally don't think it's electric - issues with lithium supply, disposal, recycling, power availability - we seem to be rushin headlong to a global power supply shortage. Am not hearing anything about hydrogen, even though the benefits appear to be massive! Haha .. apologies for "war and peace" .... but I think this is an interesting discussion! Keep up the great trend of delivering such brilliant videos! Thank you Sir!
@eganfo
@eganfo 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2019 HEV and the adaptive cruise control is mighty impressive. I love it. Great car.
@caedom21
@caedom21 5 жыл бұрын
68mpg is brilliant. My 2017 5.0 V8 F150 is getting a combined 17.3mpg and the Honda Odyssey 3.5 V6 is getting 21.1 combined. This is a very entertaining and educational video. You don’t see too many real world tests. All you need is a Hamster and a May driving in a grand tour in the Ioniq’s top gear and I think you’d have a full episode.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Stephen, glad you enjoyed it :-)
@octaneparker6200
@octaneparker6200 5 жыл бұрын
A brilliant honest review, well done.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Stuart :-)
@Martin-dx5zs
@Martin-dx5zs 5 жыл бұрын
Great test!! I bought a Nissan leaf as my first ever car and skipped the hybrid drivetrain, but I think this offers a great option for those scared to go straight to a battery electric :)
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
@debendragurung3033
@debendragurung3033 5 жыл бұрын
It aint bad. for 110 miles everyday it still sits in a sweet spot and i think it definitely did better than the hybrid. For hybrid you will get about 55mpg. It will prove very effective for short commuters. .Also it has one advantage over EV. there is no range anxietyfor occasional long journey. And you wont suffer from Cold weather winter mileage of the EV.
@AsadKhan-yz9be
@AsadKhan-yz9be 2 жыл бұрын
In hybrid i usually get 62mpg and i drive like crazy
@karlint39
@karlint39 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video with practical information. Since someone has to pay for the electricity too, it would have been interesting if you had measured the amount of electricity you put in. Clearly the price of electricity varies from location to location, but from both a cost perspective as well as a pollution perspective, the electricity is still half of the story in the case of a PHEV.
@driveXperience
@driveXperience 4 жыл бұрын
Proper test! You name the problems. We didn't get very far in pure e-drive with brandnew VolvoXC40 Plug-In-Hybrid in our film...
@washubrain
@washubrain 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reveiw. That's what I'd expect from the hybrids realistically. In terms of fuel economy on the long journeys I guess they offer little, if any, advantage over the diesel cars. If your daily routine is in the range of 15 to 20 miles then I guess the economy is great.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Spot on :-)
@pradogxld4d
@pradogxld4d 5 жыл бұрын
Top review as usual !
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻
@jadams3427
@jadams3427 4 жыл бұрын
Nice report, thanks. I get an average of 66mpg out of a Polo TDi 90. It has some naughty tuning by BSR that gives me 132hp. I don't often demand a lot of power, and don't slow down or use brakes often. I prefer the simplicity of a pure IC engine car. I had thought of changing to a Hyundai Ioniq full hybrid. I think I will wait a while and go to full EV when the charging infrastructure is adequate, and I no longer go on trans-European trips.
@johns14a
@johns14a 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Pete. I don't think I've seen a real world test carried out by a non Eco-mentalist before, so I find this very, very useful. I've been running a V90 T8 PHEV for the past nine months and only ever plug it in at night. Two or three days a week I'm just on short runs so only ever use electric which of course means infinite MPG but of course still incurs a cost for the electricity used. It does however mean that, around town, I'm not adding to the pollution and noise being generated by other motorists. The rest of the time I run in Hybrid mode on a mix of fast A roads and motorways. I use the power available (and it's a quick car in a straight line) and cruise on the motorways a near the legal limit. That type of driving gets me 57/58 mpg (measured, not relying on the trip computer), which for a car that's the size and weight of a medium sized continent is really quite good. Interestingly a mate has a V90 D5 and he gets 32mpg in town and 50mpg out and about. Now that's not a massive difference and when you take the difference in price of the cars into account then the PHEV probably isn't worth it over a three year period. But I do like just slipping along silently in town or in traffic jams on the motorway. My wife would use her Ioniq almost exclusively in electric only mode only needing petrol extended range three or four times a month, so that makes it a whole different ball game. In those conditions then I think a PHEV is a bit of a no brainer.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers John. Very interesting :-)
@ginggur17
@ginggur17 5 жыл бұрын
The Vito vans have the same foot ‘hand’ brake. When you pull the catch to release them, they can go with a hell of a bang if you don’t place pressure on the pedal as ya do it.
@irishniall83
@irishniall83 2 жыл бұрын
3 Years old and find this helpful. Wife test drove a 2019 Ioniq PHEV and loved it. She has her current 206 11 years and only covered 30k miles on it in that time. with only city driving I think she could run this on EV alone. I drove it too and really liked it. Would never have considered one before only that she wants a PHEV and I started looking.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@AsadKhan-yz9be
@AsadKhan-yz9be 2 жыл бұрын
Iwill reccomend it to buy ioniq Best car With 62mpg if u drive only hybrid If u buy phev will be more better
@yggdrasil9039
@yggdrasil9039 5 жыл бұрын
Yes please, a full review of this car. I'm still concerned about the DCT and also the interaction of the DCT with EV and also if there is any control over the hybrid engine, and also if you can increase the regen braking strength like you can in the Ioniq full EV with 0 to 3 on the paddle shifters. Also can you please floor it coming out of a roundabout and tell us what happens. Does it randomly shift in and out of EV and DCT/hybrid?
@donnaouellet219
@donnaouellet219 4 жыл бұрын
This was way more informative than the Hyundai salesman who quoted 119 miles on EV alone. Excellent explanation about how the EV and Hybrid actually interact.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Donna 👍
@mikees60
@mikees60 5 жыл бұрын
I've been driving a Golf GTE plug in hybrid for the past 3 years, and my journey to work and back is about 25 miles, so the majority of commuting is on purely battery. On a long journey I tend to run in hybrid and save the battery for congestion and driving at slower speeds, through villages etc. I tend not to use the battery on motorways, unless I'm stuck in traffic. Pre heating the car whilst it's plugged into the mains also saves battery. On average throughout the year I average about 180 mpg.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
WOW...so interesting ! That is exactly the kind for journey/ownership I was trying to explain in the vid. Thanks for sharing :-)
@JIMMYHIBBS1
@JIMMYHIBBS1 5 жыл бұрын
This is interesting - I also do about 25 miles (max) a day - so in theory I could (look at) leasing a GTE and the cost of the lease is paid for by my savings in fuel costs (maths needed - but certainly in part)
@jefferiespj1
@jefferiespj1 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that Peter very interesting 😁👍
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Paul :-)
@mad636man
@mad636man 5 жыл бұрын
What a clever transition between days!!! Nice video!!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it :-)
@EagleShieldBay
@EagleShieldBay 3 жыл бұрын
In Sweden we never put handbrake on unless parked on an incline. Reason: if handbrake is applied, it will freeze in the on position, making it very difficult to move driving with handbrake stuck on.
@rdr555
@rdr555 4 жыл бұрын
The 3pin plug in lead is NOT TO BE USED WITH AN EXTENSION LEAD. (Plug in Hybrid Brochure 2020)
@kernowrock555
@kernowrock555 5 жыл бұрын
Love this Ioniq, the design and interior look lovely. The only worry is 'finding' a place to charges overnight , not all of us have friends ...with 'driveways' , I think the only way forward is charge -points integrated into lamp posts ? so anyone can charge on the street..
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
That is a good idea. Charging infrastructure is certainly something that needs addressing. For now you could go for the Hybrid version :-)
@andrzejszczygiel85
@andrzejszczygiel85 3 жыл бұрын
We've owned a 2017 model Toyota Prius for over 2 years, from new. On a longish journey like yours, I regularly get 70 to 85mpg, Fuel consumption in the colder months is slightly lower. We are considering a PHEV, but most of our daily journeys are sub 30 miles, so I think in the long run our fuel savings will be considerable.
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
I get 180mpg equivalent in my kona electric 👍 on one slightly downhill journey
@armor1303
@armor1303 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time 🙏🙏
@happysporran
@happysporran Жыл бұрын
Only 4 years late with my comment! Excellent video, highlights my dilemma. My 15 mile commute would be perfect for a plug-in, but I usually cycle! For my longer journeys only a standard hybrid or a Tesla seems to make sense.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@ltkwok2961
@ltkwok2961 5 жыл бұрын
The hybrid & EV should be thought of separately. Miles per gallon of petro for hybrid and miles per kilowatt hour for EV. So MPG would be 52 and MP kWh would be 3.25 (29 mile EV range /8.9 kWh battery).
@iainmillar1532
@iainmillar1532 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I wish the car companies would report both separately.
@martingrady7654
@martingrady7654 5 жыл бұрын
I own a KIA PHEV, for 2 years and 26 thousand miles, battery = about 32miles. I have a 7kw at home and a standard 3kw plug at work. Work is 10 miles away, that works out 5000mile per year all from the battery, I charge sometimes 3 x per day, sometimes full or sometimes just a top up. I normally from my work travel 20 to 50 miles each day visiting clients who are local, then once every 2 weeks travel more than 150miles. Weekends I take the kids to footy, go shopping all the normal stuff and normally do each journey witin the 32 miles, my last car I was spending £85 plus per week on fuel, now its more like £10 per week if that. So its basically its horses for courses, the car works for me, but if someone is doing 100 mile trips per day, then it will never work, if you are doing 100mile trips per day, then get an EV. My electric cost worksout to about £10 per every 400ish miles. Sorry to go on, but when peoplel say things like my desiel does 64mpg, then yeah maybe, but it all depends on the journeys you have to take. One big thing is its a company car and on my BIK i have saved a good £2500 in tax.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Martin. Really interesting :-)
@jrh1901
@jrh1901 5 жыл бұрын
Great review as ever Ped. A very good car but I can see no reason what I would swap my Vauxhall Ampera for one as the Ampera, despite it's age matches or betters the Ioniq in almost every area. I see a real 50 miles of battery range in summer and near thirty in freezing conditions with a further 320 miles or so on the petrol 'generator' if required. I'm much more tempted with the Kona which seems to offer the very real possibility of owning a car without the reliance of a petrol engine as back up.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to drive the Kona next. I only here good things about it :-)
@WolvesInferno
@WolvesInferno 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I am at some stage thinking of getting an Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid sometime as my next car. I currently have a late 2012 Toyota Auris/Corolla Hybrid and it's a fantastic car, and much cheaper to run than an average diesel. I get usually a combined MPG of 75 to 85 or so MPG. Believe it or not, I get more mpg in the summer. I do have a very light foot, and on motorways, I keep to around 58 to 62 mph. Overall it's a fantastic car and has been much much cheaper to run than my previous 1.6 VW Golf petrol, which got 45 to 55 mpg.
@jaroessa294
@jaroessa294 5 жыл бұрын
PHEV's seem to be the best option at this point. They give you the convenience of an all-EV car when you are doing errands around town, but the reassurance of a regular ICE vehicle when you need to make that long trip to go on vacation or visit family in another state for the holidays. No range anxiety or "I need to find a supercharger NOW" worries with this vehicle. We were slated to buy a Chevy Volt (because it had the highest EV-only range of all the PHEVs), but once GM announced they were stopping production, we got worried and cancelled the purchase. Now, we're back to searching for a regular ICE vehicle.
@0hypnotoad0
@0hypnotoad0 5 жыл бұрын
It's the best option for somebody who wants to dip their toes in without springing for a long range electric. The electric fuel economy on PHEVS is not as good as BEV due to the added weight of the engine. Admittedly though if EV demand does explode in the future then PHEVs may become more common due to their higher availability. A big demand for very large EV batteries could eventually put stress on the mining supply causing a shortage of BEV's to meet consumer demand, and in that case PHEV would be a good solution since their batteries are quite a lot smaller. The Hyundai Ioniq stands head and shoulders above other PHEVs in this regard, really great e-fuel economy in it's class.
@YamadaDesigns
@YamadaDesigns 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely said. If you want to be reassured that they won’t stop production, go for Toyota and Honda, who are much more invested in hybrid electric vehicles
@mikeytrw
@mikeytrw 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah you read the instructions it says don't use cheap extensions. They're not made to handle a solid 2kw draw for hours on end.
@johndoyle4723
@johndoyle4723 5 жыл бұрын
I spotted the extension lead problem immediately, however.. The keys to good MPG, are do not waste your battery on motorways/dual carriage ways, save it for town driving and low speed stop/start, as you mentioned always plan to arrive home with zero battery. If you can use the regen manually, better to coast, rather than regen and power up again. Pre heat the car whilst plugged in if you can. Finally these cars really only suit those with a certain typical daily mileage, for long distances, a diesel wins, yes I know they are not flavour of the month, but we are talking MPG. Thanks for the video, very interesting.
@Tore_Lund
@Tore_Lund 5 жыл бұрын
Yes you know it too: Regen is only efficient at higher speed. When you get below 35mph or so, better coast and store the energy as kinetic energy in your moving vehicle, i.e. time your red lights. There are numerous reasons for that: #1 electric motor efficiency drops at lower loads like braking lightly. #2 The voltage the motor produces driven as a generator drops as the rpm drops and if it is lower than the pack voltage, nothing gets back into the battery. #3 Even when doing regen at high speed, charge efficiency is poor in Li-ion batteries 15% is lost. So just keep all your old hypermileing tricks from when you drove a fossil powered car and your range will improve.
@stubones
@stubones 5 жыл бұрын
"Without going anywere near the ICU"... In many countries that stands for Intensive Care Unit, which you definitely want to stay away from ;) Great review Ped, it was pretty fascinating, I'm not convinced on Hybrid myself. I prefer a simple powertrain for now; one economical diesel engine, 60mpg/circa 800miles of motorway range. My great uncle had an old 1970's diesel Merc (no turbo so it was slower than a dead tortoise) , which had a foot "hand" brake if I recall.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I heard myself say ICU and thought exactly the same !!
@michaeltutty1540
@michaeltutty1540 3 жыл бұрын
Most interesting indeed. I particularly enjoy the real world conditions that make the cars you test perform in suboptimal conditions. Even at that, the conditions you encounter are better by far, and your distances much shorter, than we face here on Central Ontario, Canada. We won't even get into Northern Ontario. Just forget about the Arctic where my brother lives. I don't think any EV or hybrid is going to do well at -60.
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
There is a few Norwegian and Finnish youtune channels that are okay at - 30. - 60 does seem like a no no though. Tbf I'd probably stay inside on those days
@jamesmgreen15
@jamesmgreen15 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a v solid non fanboy review. All I would say is that working in gallons can lead to confusion across the pond, as most will not immediately remember imperial v USA volumes differ. I dislike those foot parking brakes too. Get used t it I guess but I remember a merc I drove once had one with a clutch - plain silly.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I am still amazed at how much debate the whole MPG question with this car generated :-)
@jamesmgreen15
@jamesmgreen15 5 жыл бұрын
@@PetrolPed Yes:) In the end it's still a case of the market having to meet the product too much in any mass just go to way. If an ice car had a 4 gallon tank it would be laughed off the market. EVs are working for more in what is still early doors:)
@rickymills8612
@rickymills8612 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very interesting!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ricky :-)
@vincecaruso2459
@vincecaruso2459 5 жыл бұрын
We have a Prius Prime 2017 and have used only about 1 1/2 tank last year with about 3,500 miles, 230 mpg. The car has the highest rated of any car electric or not at 133 mpge. Some of the gas was used when it was not needed to use up old gas and get the engine running for a bit. We get about 30 miles to a charge. Plug it in at night and normally do not need to run the engine on most trips. We live near where we work and shop. Use EBikes for some commuting and shopping. Wonder if in years to come we will be able to update the LI battery in the car and get more E Miles and better mpge.
@SchottGun76
@SchottGun76 5 жыл бұрын
I'm currently looking at both this car and the Prius Prime. I'm curious with you plugging it every night for the charge. What type of increase do you see in your electric bill?
@yvesklein669
@yvesklein669 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy, for answering my question on MPG. My Audi computer said I could travel 485 miles on a full tank when new. Now it's down to 453. Still cheaper to drive a Plug-in Hybrid.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
You get a better spot in Monday’s Collaboration Review 👍
@yvesklein669
@yvesklein669 5 жыл бұрын
Petrol Ped Thanks!
@davidcohen874
@davidcohen874 5 жыл бұрын
We have had this car since the beginning of April. It suits our motoring perfectly. We mostly do about 30 miles and always plug it in on our charger when we come home. SO WE PUT PETROL IN FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THEn. 10L YES 10 L. The brake is a pain but you get used to it and you can leave the car in Park on a flat surface. Great Tech and safety features. If you use Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Keep Assistance the car will steer itself and you only need to hold the steering wheel lightly. We love it. The sound system is not very stereo so could be better.
@tonyb1223
@tonyb1223 5 жыл бұрын
You may have done better with an all electric vehicle, if you hsve not topped up the fuel since April, that in itself can cause issues as fuel does "go off" over time. The thing with a hybrid is you are suppose to run the engine as well (again, not doing so or running for short periods of time can cause issues), I would suggest a good weekly run out using only the engine.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Interesting to hear about your ownership :-)
@michellenotherday1482
@michellenotherday1482 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Thanks!
@simonworsley8551
@simonworsley8551 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, definitely a fire hazard, always unwind the extension lead fully. Also should plug into car first then the mains.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Point taken. Many thanks :-)
@peterryan7827
@peterryan7827 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video.i drive a kia and am at the time for a change, so would you recommend this one overall, ref/comfort ,thanks i really enjoyed your advice etc,
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. I was really impressed with the car and it is certainly worth a test drive. Check out my other film with the car for more info :-)
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. A bit of a correction. I have a 2018 Ioniq PHEV and zero EV miles does not mean zero electric energy in the battery. The hybrid mode kicks in a zero EV miles, yes, but using the car’s display shows up to 18-20% battery levels that enables car movement on electric only depending on set conditions in the software. From a set low charge level or when road conditions demand, the engine runs and recharges the EV battery to that 15% or so higher level so as to perpetuate hybrid mode. In a 289 mile trip last year, hybrid mode yielded 63.7 MPG. All of this magic happens with an 8.9 KWh battery and a 59 HP!!!!!! electric motor! It’s is an astonishingly zero to ultra low emissions vehicle. Thanks Ohio, USA
@flash-us9bn
@flash-us9bn 5 жыл бұрын
I've had a hybrid ioniq almost 5 months and average 72mpg. Just short journeys 66mpg. On an 8hr journey down to Wales I saw an average of 81.2mpg. I love the thing.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear :-)
@jonscoupe
@jonscoupe 5 жыл бұрын
In theory these plug in hybrids are a good idea and I have a few friends who have recently acquired hybrid cars. When they first had their cars, they plugged them in all the time, but the novelty soon wore off Peter and now they don't bother to 'plug them in' any more because they either forget or can't be bothered. I think it will be a while before we adjust to these cars. Cheers, Jon.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one !
@danieldarcy7862
@danieldarcy7862 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. The point surely is that this journey was about as "worse case" as it could be; its a long journey that most people (me included) would only make occasionally, and the battery was not charged as it should have been. Had the battery been fully charged overnight and the trip not gone in the extension lead, one of the journeys would have used no fuel at all. Had you plugged in at the workplace where it turns out there was a charge point then another 37 miles of petrol driven miles would have been saved. That probably equates to a gallon of fuel saved overall and in that case the overall consumption would have been 366/ 4.24 which equates to 86.32 mpg. Agree with comments about the foot handbrake. I notice the 2020 version has an electronic one!! The PHEV is on my shortlist.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 4 жыл бұрын
Yep 👍
@danieldarcy7862
@danieldarcy7862 4 жыл бұрын
​@@PetrolPed Although the parameters of this test were not typical of the average person's use and therefore a bit unfair on the car, Hyundai claiming 250 mpg without defining the breakdown of journey types is just marketing hype. They could just as well claim 500 mpg or infinity mpg!! Potential buyers have to work out for themselves whether it suits their typical journey pattern and in my case i think the PHEV is ideal. Annoying though that the dear old UK government gives no incentives to purchasers of plug-ins any more, a car that is so good for the environment, even to the extent of charging the same road tax as a 30mpg SUV gas guzzler! Hardly a green policy.
@malcolmbrew8815
@malcolmbrew8815 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent informative.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Malcolm :-)
@ricco123tube
@ricco123tube 5 жыл бұрын
I travel 50 miles twice a week and 25 miles a day the rest of the week all around town so I reckon it would be a great choice for someone like myself who may do the odd long trip. Motorway driving is for evs such as the Kona or Tesla etc and not hybrids or phevs. Its a shame you didn’t do a town comparison as thats where the hybrid part would have come into its own and a 60mile trip may well have achieved great mpg.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I agree about the town driving. Sadly that wasn't really in my travel plans that week :-(
@stevee6305
@stevee6305 5 жыл бұрын
With a Hybrid Ioniq with standard wheels, I was steadily doing 77MPG, as winter set in (and a slow puncture) it's now 72MPG. Mileage was 66miles a day though.
@stevevater8598
@stevevater8598 5 жыл бұрын
Honda civic does 63mpg in stop start driving , nearly 80mpg on motorway , will last at least 15 years of fault free motoring .
@zaypeaceIslamstories
@zaypeaceIslamstories 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevevater8598 which yeah model
@zaypeaceIslamstories
@zaypeaceIslamstories 2 жыл бұрын
Hybrid ionic which yeah and type is it ?
@ian666if
@ian666if 5 жыл бұрын
I ran a Citroen Xzara HDi that gave me 60+ mpg on a regular basis over 6 years back, so not much improvement then?
@hongkongfuey6882
@hongkongfuey6882 3 жыл бұрын
In my Outlander I can heat the car through the app before I jump in and whilst it's charging. Also I can hit 'save' to conserve electric power. It takes _months_ to work out how to eek out extra miles. Whatever you get in the first few weeks can almost be doubled over you've learned his to operate the car. Ps, electricity _IS_ fuel
@ginggur17
@ginggur17 5 жыл бұрын
I do like your hand to hand edits
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I must try and not use them too often :-)
@ginggur17
@ginggur17 5 жыл бұрын
It works a treat to denote a day change.
@BlueMax333
@BlueMax333 5 жыл бұрын
How can the regeneration work in hybrid mode when the battery is fully charged?
@tomm1359
@tomm1359 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 Ioniq PHEV and I only travel on short trips. I have used very little gas. I filled up 1/2 tank after 6 months. I had to force my car in Hybrid mode and Sport mode to use up gas. I don't think it would be good to let the gas engine sit for too long. I also use ethanol free gas, because I heard lead free gas is not good for the engine. I have to plan longer trip somewhere to use the gas in my tank, and to run the engine. So far it's been a great car. I like the fact that if I do go on a long trip I won't be looking for a charger. I have 10k solar panels and 2 tesla power walls installed at my house. My next car will be a Tesla. Hopefully the prices will come down by the time I am ready for a new car.
@alanbutterfield8057
@alanbutterfield8057 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, you need to ask Hyundai under what conditions they get 250 MPG as you have shown under normal every day driving the numbers don't add up. Great video I just love how all the car companies make claims that just don't up. Truly Alan B x
@kissmeraas
@kissmeraas 5 жыл бұрын
It's not them, it's a standardised test that all cars have to go through and advertise the results by law. The test is in a lab, mpg figures aren't real, but rather extrapolated from emissions, and only lasts a short while so Hybrids can do it almost entirely on battery power alone...
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
It must be a standard test but I’m not sure what it looks like 🤔
@kissmeraas
@kissmeraas 5 жыл бұрын
@Petrol Ped - It looks like *this* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pL13kq51rM64gWw.html
@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv
@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv 3 жыл бұрын
Does this vehicle have 'charge mode' whilst driving, like the Prius Prime? If it did would you not be better off switching over to charge mode when you're on a motorway or A road and then back to ev mode on slower roads or in town?
@TK42138
@TK42138 4 жыл бұрын
Was the extension cable fully unwound? If not that's probably why it tripped. Coiled up cable attached to a consumer (car charger) induced a current in the cable that momentarily exceeded the trip.
@cjtuba1
@cjtuba1 4 жыл бұрын
Mate, great video and your presentation skills are ace, very professional. Better than those Muppets on BBC's Top Gear. They should offer you a job!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris. Very kind of you to say 🙏
@TheKandyGuy
@TheKandyGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting video...!! Korean car is better than Japanese Lexus it seems when it comes to MPG.. I have had few Highbred Lexus they never did what Lexus clams, also did not have enough power too, now I have a 450h got power that I like but need to see the MPG...
@yerocblack3328
@yerocblack3328 5 жыл бұрын
The range is lowered severely in the winter. You should try the same car when it's warm outside.
@michaeltutty1540
@michaeltutty1540 3 жыл бұрын
It is winter here for 6 months of the year. I find the "cold" English weather tests interesting. Then again I am left wondering what happens at -40 with a foot of snow on the roads, which is not an unusual occurrence here.
@conkgord
@conkgord 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative. How does servicing wrk, oil,plugs,timing belt. If you were purely school run mileage the engine would not have any miles on it?
@davidwratten7728
@davidwratten7728 5 жыл бұрын
Overnight charge extension lead tripped !!! Had he unwound the lead, if it was not the inductance loop would have got very hot tripping it. The charging indicator in the widow was working when he locked the car. Do not understand the dislike of the foot brake, Mercs have them not an unusual means of a parking brake.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
My bad not unwinding the extension lead. Foot brake is just a personal dislike ;-)
@paulashton5990
@paulashton5990 5 жыл бұрын
Impossible to do handbrake turns.
@oloilmann4288
@oloilmann4288 5 жыл бұрын
I was used to my handbrake in my Prius C. I've had my Ioniq 3 months and still forget to release the foot brake. It takes time.
@TekAutomatica
@TekAutomatica 5 жыл бұрын
Hot tripping - is that when the pedestrian is consuming a hot beverage?
@TheBeggFamily
@TheBeggFamily 4 жыл бұрын
My wife hates the idea of plugging in a car, so we have a full blown hybrid, Toyota Yaris. We love it, though the results are much better than any of our previous ICE only cars, but not as good as a plug in COULD be or our son’s full electric. Annually we travel down to Southampton for a cruise, which would be a nightmare in an electric car and soon use up the electric miles of a PHEV. We get 55-60 mpg depending on the time of year, so the change with the PHEV is not startling for all the faff on with plugging in.
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it would be a nightmare? How does your son manage? + Hyundai ioniq 5 fully charges in 18 mins on the right charger
@TheBeggFamily
@TheBeggFamily 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing Since this post I've part exchanged the hybrid for a battery electric Renault ZE50.
@dvrify1
@dvrify1 5 жыл бұрын
69 mpg in a mixed cycle is impressive. In my diesel car, I can only achieve it by crawling at 50 mph on an empty motorway and using every bit of decline to coast, which is very exhausting. Thanks for this real-world review! P.S. Wonder if one can improve on that with some more hypermiling techniques? Regen-braking seems more like a gimmick and I wonder whether it could be turned off in that car.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't really go for the lowest MPG. I just drive normally. If I really tried I am sure I could get a better number :-)
@dvrify1
@dvrify1 5 жыл бұрын
@@PetrolPed Well, that's even more impressive. I wish the petrol engine recharged the battery and I'm sold. Looking forward to the next test!
@Brett1psp
@Brett1psp 5 жыл бұрын
The trick to a plug in hybrid is even if it’s cold you deal with just seat warmers and heated steering wheel. Using the actual heater kills all range. I have a 2015 ford fusion or as you guys were called in the UK is a Ford mondeo, plug-in hybrid
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Nice tip :-)
@philipparkes5079
@philipparkes5079 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ped Very interesting review once again. Makes a nonsense of the ridiculous mpg claims which I feel are totally misleading. Not sure that I would choose this form of technology although I can see the perceived advantage. Still believe as a Dinasour that there is still progress to be made with clean Diesel engines before 2040!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
You should try the Porsche e-Hybrid...right up your street :-)
@unpluggedEV
@unpluggedEV 5 жыл бұрын
You use the EV mode during slower speeds and use the hybrid mode on the highway to save the battery capacity for when going slower again. City->EV, highway->hybrid. This will maximise your MPG. The Outlander PHEV im driving has also a charge button which can recharge the battery during driving on the highway so you arrive with a higher level battery for city driving. You said it at 18:30 arrive at home with an empty battery. ABC - always be charging.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good technique you've got there. This car doesn't have a recharge button, it will keep the battery topped up but won't fully recharge the battery like some hybrids.
@TekAutomatica
@TekAutomatica 5 жыл бұрын
Mitsubishi dealers no longer accepting outlandish PHIBS in px if over 3 years old due to battery issues. Most units damaged by remaining too low on charge or abused by hard driving at low soc.
@brybish
@brybish 5 жыл бұрын
How much does the electric cost and with out the good will of the supplier?
@aandccash8951
@aandccash8951 4 жыл бұрын
If the car had been properly/fully charged on one of your overnight stops, it would have added at least 20 miles to your range. Adding add that 20 miles on to your 366 driven miles, then you would have had an mpg in the low 70s.....which is pretty darn good and several mpg better than the (very good) "real world" figure you arrived at! Other than that, like the video! I reckon if you mainly do short trips then this car is a smart choice and you can do the occasional 'petrol trip' without the dramas of locating and being able to use a public charging station, simply charge whenever your arrive home (and what a bonus if you have solar EV panels!).
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@Drogos79
@Drogos79 4 жыл бұрын
how much charge does it recuperate in hybrid mode...doesn't seem like you recovered any charge during pretty long trip...wth?
@shujajawad
@shujajawad 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do one on 2020 model. I would love to watch how it does compared to 2019 one. I am sure they must have made some improvements
@Countrystock
@Countrystock 5 жыл бұрын
Great to see a real life MPG test instead of the companies number they pluck out of the air!!!! I'm still not convinced that electric is the future purely down to the range issues. Nice one ☝️
@davethevicar88
@davethevicar88 5 жыл бұрын
Kia niro
@kissmeraas
@kissmeraas 5 жыл бұрын
TBF, it's not "the company's number" - It's a standardised test everyone has to do, and advertise the results by law. The mpg figures for petrol & diesel are bullshit enough, but Hybrids complete most of the test on battery power alone because it's an incredibly short rolling road "journey"
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
@kissmeraas
@kissmeraas 5 жыл бұрын
This is what the fuel economy test looks like: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pL13kq51rM64gWw.html
@jfan4reva
@jfan4reva 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of highway driving will kill a hybrid's fuel mileage. The last time I checked, a Prius gets about the same gas mileage around town as it gets on the highway. Also, highway driving is mostly constant speed and has very little stop and start driving. This doesn't give the car much of a chance to recharge the battery with braking. If you have a 100 mile commute every day, this isn't the car for you.If you have something more reasonable like 20-50 miles (30k - 80k), it might be.
@kersim8365
@kersim8365 5 жыл бұрын
Yea but how many kilowatts of power did it take at what cost per kw ?
@gavinivers8941
@gavinivers8941 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting test. Looking further on in the cars life, 3 - 4 years. Engine builders tell us most of the wear in an engine is during cold start up. If you had driven on electric mode to the motorway, and then need to go to petrol/electric it will be on a cold engine. How much more expensive is this car compaired to a small car, ie Suzuki Swift?
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Gavin :-)
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 5 жыл бұрын
Got 83mpg out of one of these driving down the M40 between Birmingham and Stratford. They can do massive amounts if you drive them properly.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 5 жыл бұрын
It's all about where and how you drive them :-)
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 5 жыл бұрын
Regularly get 70 in town 😉
@pnf44
@pnf44 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job. I like the real world approach to reviewing the car. I signed for one, this morning and will pick it up in a day or so. I have a Niro EV.... now I will try an Ioniq PHEV.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 3 жыл бұрын
I love the Niro 👍
@nowisthetime6093
@nowisthetime6093 2 жыл бұрын
Am thinking of buying a 2018 Ioniq phev soon. Would be interested in your opinion on it since you've purchased it. Are you happy with it? Has it lived upto your expectations on fuel savings? etc...
@justjc51
@justjc51 5 жыл бұрын
About your question on plugging in at a charger for a work day, the answer is that it is considered very rude. It is however ok, as long as it is charging, so if you set a timer or make it so you get a notification when the car is fully charged and then move it everything is good ;-)
@nomad1944k
@nomad1944k 4 жыл бұрын
Please do revues, on BMW X5 and mercedes GLE, they are supposed to do about 50 miles on electric.
@ezrolith85
@ezrolith85 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video - which spec was this you tested sorry?
@user-il3de3bf5g
@user-il3de3bf5g 2 жыл бұрын
Greate reveiw! Really useful!!👍👍👌👌👌 However, let me get clear the mileage. Did you mean british miles?
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 2 жыл бұрын
Are there any other miles 🤔
@zaypeaceIslamstories
@zaypeaceIslamstories 3 жыл бұрын
Why do people say it does 86 miles per gallon is that just hybrids ionic how long did you ektric plug in take to charge few hours 3-4 for 37 drive ..
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