Hey John. I sent you an email to your Toronto university address. Please, review it.

It's all good bro

I am not much a a rock ensemble these days, liturgical call and response, communal ritual spoken, heard, tasted and felt, and smelled ; I’ve come to believe, are necessary.

@@christianbaxter_yt Thank for saying that!

Sola Scriptura is so different for a baptists than it is for an Anglo-Catholic/high church Lutheran… Luther’s sola scriptura was still wrapped in the Mass ecology of practices. But as you are well aware and rightly and carefully state: American culture at large is Protestant in form and function. And the low church which explicitly repels “wrote religion” and is the teleological outcome of iconoclasm, robs the ecology of practice of visual saliancy for landscaping.

@@johnvervaeke in case you don’t get direct feedback, your work is tilting a needle of change. I believe the language you are constructing is and will help bridge conversations through confessions, without having to abandon the confessions.

@@christianbaxter_yt Visual ...Sentience, Salience, and Sapience....

I am also all ears on anyone who wants to help lol😂 any wisdom would be much appreciated! I try to follow the zen Buddhist teaching of making the “void” home. But i desperately seek a spiritual home of some sort it just makes sense to me! Much love to all of you seekers and finders of truth and blessings 🙏❤️❤️❤️

@@alexandrazachary.musician Thanks Alexandra! Hope you are well!

They also publicized another conversation not so long ago on Esoterica It's mind-bending I really recomennd it. Cheers

@@RobinTurner I think there is. However I read Ibn Arabi through Corbin and Corbin through Cheetham. Enacting through an image is how the vertical of the intellective and sensual are connected. That vertical dimension is what I am discussing I. The kinds of knowing going from the participatory up through the perspectival and procedural to the propositional. The imaginal is also transjective between the inner and the out worlds (Cheetham talks about the world being turned inside out) and that is clear in the case of the child pretending to be superman. That is the horizontal dimension of the imaginal. These are the two dimension of Platonic participation. I hope this helps.

"We need to start telling people its okay to redact and edit texts." - No its NOT OK to do this. Write your own stuff if you want ego validating mythos for this singular cancerous living death machine divine comedic satanic hero's journey. The purpose of these sacred texts was not for some "meaning crisis" of this living death machine yolo satanic hellish existence. It was for the supernatural transcendental collective remembrance of the entire World Soul of Sophianic Nous to remember in a platonic manner of the non-egoic spiritual state before this flesh imprisonment in this living death satanic existence.

@@Tectenitarius "No its NOT OK to do this." Yes it is okay. Why? Because that is exactly how sacred texts are formed. The authors of the bible re-wrote and in some places straight out "plagiarized" other sacred texts. Noahs flood being the most in your face obvious example. But beginning to end the whole book is that way. Mathew re-wrote Mark, Luke rewrote Mathew and Luke, and John reimagined all three. The purpose of the bible especially the old testament was political propaganda. "It was for the gibberish therp collective remembrance of the entire World bloink of practical wisdom to remember in a platonic manner of the non-egoic blosh state before this flesh imprisonment in this living death adversarial existence." Setting aside three quarters of what you said because I have absolutely no idea what 4 of those terms even mean. The false assumption is that Platonism is the only valid form of religious experience. Setting aside the fact that Plato was an idiot and a mad man who promoted machiavellianism before there was a Machiavelli, no. The problem with you Platonists is that you want to cherry pick without admitting that is what you are doing. You want to rewrite Plato without admitting his entire framework is nonsense. You anachronistically impose modern frameworks without ever realizing that is what you are doing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with adapting, modifying, or rewriting sacred texts. I would go so far as to say doing so is virtuous. Epicurus was right and Plato was an idiot. Cicero was a fool. The fact that Platonism leads to people like you who hate existence says everything. I am sorry your life is miserable. I am sorry you are a miserable person. No joke, no hyperbole, get help, talk to a therapist.

@@Tectenitarius Yes it absolutely is okay to do this. Editing, redacting, and rewriting "sacred texts" is 1000% acceptable and should be encouraged. We (humans) have been doing it since before "sacred texts" were written down. Deciphering your rambling "The purpose of sacred texts was not for some "meaning crisis" of this living death machine yolo satanic hellish existence. It was for the supernatural transcendental collective remembrance of the entire World Soul of Sophianic Nous to remember in a platonic manner of the non-egoic spiritual state before this flesh imprisonment in this living death satanic existence." The purpose of sacred texts was to create meaning. I have no idea what the phrase "this living death machine yolo satanic hellish existence" means. You seem to think stringing buzz words together conveys meaning. It does not. "It was for [unknown 1] [unknown 2] collective remembrance of the entire world [unknown 3] of practical wisdom to remember in a Platonic manner the non-egoic [unknown 4] state before this flesh imprisonment in this living death existence." again while you have managed to string words together you have failed to do so in a way that actually conveys substance or meaning. But lets address the easy part. Your statement is obviously false given that such experience and practices predate platonic thought. Add to this that this cannot be true of eastern or southern practices and you are just demonstrably wrong. The purpose of sacred texts is to create meaning, in particular shared meaning. It was for transmitting and participating in archetypal patterns for the purpose of achieving sage-hood. Emulation through play. Self destruction (non-egoic) is one assumed method of sage-hood but no the only one. It is also the evil method. The purpose and function of sage-hood is to achieve the good life here in the material realm. A hatred and rejection of the material realm which we exist within can only lead to a hatred and rejection of life itself. Platonism is demonstrably wrong in every way. His metaphysics was wrong, his physics was wrong, his wisdom was unwise, his philosophy was hateful. Epicurus was correct.

Much respect for Mr. Vervaeke and his enthusiasm for such a complex topic, but it would have improved this episode if he could have stepped back a bit to give the other guests more time to speak, as I value their input too. I felt Mr. Slavin's perspective especially lacking this time. Really looking forward to the third installment where he will be in the driver's seat and there can be more of a balanced conversation.

@@Ziggy-i3h Yours is by far the more respectful and gentle way of putting it. Well said.

There's universality in every particular, you midwhit.

Well, yeah, sort of. There's a fractal relation. But there are variables in the fractal equations that are different for each particular. But that wasn't my point. If you are still relying on rituals and methods, like breathwork parlor tricks, to attain any given experiential state then you haven't figured it out yet. I have a lot of respect for Vervaeke. But when he says that doing the practices outside of a traditional framework is dangerous it raises questions about dogma. Rituals are for the masses, to show them that more of reality exists. To continue with the rituals is truncating growth.

Can you explain the emojis

That raises a good question that they touch on later, after the "would you become a vampire" thought experiment).

@@RobinTurner I am a vampire my name is Al Ucard 🦍🍀⌚🚪 Sometimes i get so bored