Thanks so much!!! I’m only mildly mechanically inclined, but I was able to do all four in less than 30 minutes because of your video. Completely fixed my misfiring issue. Since it’s 11 years old, I decided to first try the generic $30 for all 4 coils off eBay. Replaced all since they’ll eventually be an issue anyway. Completely worked. Even if they don’t last as long as name brand, I probably won’t have the car anymore by the time there’s an issue. Thanks again for such an awesome video!
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
awesome news! Glad you were able to get it back up and running!
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
awesome job! $30 for 4 coils? wow that's super cheap. Here they're like $110 CAD EACH at Honda.
@Loopy_McLooperson4 жыл бұрын
These were exactly the symptoms I had. Replacing plugs and coils solved it. Like driving a new car, thanks
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
glad it worked out for you! Thanks for watching!
@jcolt842 жыл бұрын
I'm having the same problem as well with my '08 Honda Fit, but some people are also suggesting a valve adjustment. I'm not sure if I need new coil packs and spark plugs or if it needs a valve adjustment, or both!
@canileaveitblank14762 жыл бұрын
@@jcolt84 same here. I’m starting with the simplest - coils and plugs. How’d yours turn out?
@MyLifeThai3712 жыл бұрын
@@jcolt84 I had to let my 2008 honda fit warm up for 2 minutes every time I first started it for the day, because if I didn't and through it in gear it would die. The valves were too tight. I adjusted the valves and it fixed the problem.
@jcolt842 жыл бұрын
@@MyLifeThai371 you just solved my problem, because that's precisely the problem I have. Mine has a hell of a hard time accelerating to 55mph every night that I get on the highway to come home from work.
@pastrie422 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video I ended up fixing my car. For anybody who wants to know if you buy a card code scanner you'll be able to tell which one of the coils are bad because it will tell you which ones are misfiring. It'll take the guesswork out reduce the time that it takes to do it.
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
glad you were able to fix up your car. Yes the car is smart that way to be able to tell the computer (in most cases) that there is a misfire happening.
@holybathook6 жыл бұрын
Easy fix, for some one like me. I have no car repair experience. Thanks for the upload. You saved me a few hundred from the auto body quote.
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked my video! Thanks for watching!
@corkcamden98787 жыл бұрын
Straightforward, common sense approach. Good, instructional video and anyone with good mechanical aptitude and basic hand tool experience can facilitate this repair by following this gentleman's advice. One nit-pick: volume was a bit low, but that is probably my laptop. Thank you for a good, solid basic repair video. Regards, Ambroid
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
glad you liked my video! Thanks for watching. I have invested in a new lapel mic so I am hoping that the audio in future videos will be dramatically improved.
@johnsatella12867 жыл бұрын
it would have to have been the 4th one right
@MrDavil43 Жыл бұрын
I had these symptoms and replaced the four front coils. No difference, but before I got around to replacing the rear coils the misfire suddenly worsened and the car lost all power while on a motorway. The patrolman showed me his diagnostic display and the fault surprised even him...the crankshaft sensor was faulty. A simple replacement and the 18 year old car was running beautifully, not the slightest hint of a misfire.
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
ah yes a faulty cam or crank sensor can cause this issues indeed. Normally when they start to go that the misfires tend to be quite bad and a CEL will be thrown for a bad sensor. Hit and miss I guess as there are so many "degrees" of failure. Just glad to hear that you got your issue resolved.
@oethmaancornelius85266 ай бұрын
I've been looking for this problem for 6 months, thanks for the info, #from south africa
@outlawstargodstarwin91522 ай бұрын
Great video and thanks you saved me $1K in repairs did it my self changed all 4 and coast me $60 bucks TY
@michaelmittelsdorf6 жыл бұрын
VERY methodical... If you were to remove only the wire from each ignition coil one at a time while the motor is running, you will be able to find out which coil is not working. When you remove the wire from a working coil/ cylinder that coil will stop working and that cylinder will miss. You will hear and or feel a noticeable difference in the motor and that will tell you the coil you removed the wire from, was working. When you remove the wire from the broken coil, there will be no difference in the motor's sound or operation. When you have found the coil that isn't working, replace it with the new coil.. This way you only need to remove the bad coil and replace with a new one, not change out every coil to test. Still a very good video.
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
Good perspective on things. Thanks for sharing that!
@jdhrap6 жыл бұрын
Only issue is you better work real fast to accomplish what you’re suggesting. The engine block is gonna get hot while you try to get on the backside to unscrew and remove coils. Easy for #1, but 2-4 I was leaning on the engine to look behind that metal piece that is right over the top of the engine blocking my view. Just my $.02.
@mr.m61175 жыл бұрын
Hahaha thats what i thought he should have done to simplify trouble shootijng
@steverodgers3334 жыл бұрын
This is very cool video. 2009 Honda Fit Sport has a misfire. Already replaced plugs but still misfiring so off I go to buy a ignition coil to test it. Thanks so much for a making Honda Fit video!
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Did you manage to resolve the misfiring issue after replacing the coil?
@Homelander-js9hd3 жыл бұрын
Great video...every time you said "known good coil pack" I kinda chuckled to myself, having pulled my hair out in the past trying to troubleshoot a problem and the new part was bad also. :-)
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
yes I have had similar challenges in the past. It sucks when the very part that is new also fails. Its rare but it DOES happen from time to time.
@jaytaalauncleared3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I’ve been having same problem and went to get is fixed and my quote came up to 870NZD 🤦🏾♂️ but now, it’s looks like it’ll only cost me the coil pack and my time haha thank you again
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped. Thanks for watching!
@Homelander-js9hd3 жыл бұрын
Update after watching your video and reading comments. I decided to start with the fourth pack since that was your problem one and another viewers bad part. I was right, swapped the fourth one and fixed it first try. Thanks again.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
Glad you got your issue fixed. Thanks for watching!
@julianrolls81025 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I think it needs to be pointed out that there are two banks of cylinders - front and rear - which use different coils so if you're using this method of troubleshooting you will need to buy a front and a rear coil. Either that or take a gamble on just buying one or the other and being prepared to have to order the other one if it doesn't fix it first time.
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
Julian, to clarify I believe you meant to say that there are two banks of opposed firing plugs and not cylinder. Dual cylinder banks would suggest this engine is V 4 config which it is definitely not. In North America at least the Fit only comes with a single row of ignition coils (4 in total). I believe you are in Europe? I've heard from some of my viewers that they have 2 spark plugs per cylinder (that's way cool) and hence why there is a front bank of coil packs and a rear bank..
@julianrolls81025 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian Hi Yes you're correct - 8 spark plugs, 8 ignition coils (consisting of 2 types - front and rear) and 4 cylinders. Lots to go wrong!
@jay-uo2bi Жыл бұрын
@@julianrolls8102 This is specific to the iDSI engine models.
@lesleyh20077 жыл бұрын
Great video to assist all of us Honda Fit owners. I had the hesitation, watched your video. I took the simple route and replaced all 4 and the problem was solved. I guess for me this was easier than trying to figure out which one was faulty. On Ebay the coil packs are not overly expensive. You video explained the problem, showed the solution and explained the repair so that I could do this easily. Thanks for making this quick and easy.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
you're most welcome. Yes replacing all 4 coil packs is the best solution b/c once a coil fails then others can follow suit.
@lesleyh20077 жыл бұрын
piercedasian At the same time I replaced the coil packs I also replaced the spark plugs since they are right there and would be due for replacement not terribly far down the road anyway. I felt that this way that part of the Ignition system would be all new and shouldn't need anything for quite some time. The Fit runs real well now and I believe my fuel consumption has improved also.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
yeah replacing plugs will absolutely help b/c the ignition system doesn't need to work as "hard" to produce a spark b/c new plugs typically are gapped properly from the factory and are within the manufacturer's spec. I've seen badly worn plugs ruin coil packs b/c of the ever increasing effort needed to produce a spark. Definitely good common sense on your part. Having new plugs with new coils should make the car feel like new again :)
@FlickLives5 жыл бұрын
Had the same symptoms in my 2008 Fit with 117k Miles. I went all in and replaced all 4 coil packs. Problem solved. Runs like new.
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
Glad you hear it fixed your issue. The Fit seems to be plagued with faulty coil packs. Of the 100's of Honda's I've worked on the Fit seems to have this recurring issue.
@F351644 жыл бұрын
But this car have 8 coils,not 4.
@ziyaad31614 жыл бұрын
Me too have eight
@BRField5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, and diagnosis of problem, only concern would be if you have a bad spark plug, it would exhibit be the same type of misfire, suggest checking them first ( cheaper than a coil) , then the coils. If over 7 years old OR over 105,000 miles.
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
Valid point indeed. Spark plugs at least from my experience rarely fail (by rare I mean never) in the 1000's of cars I've worked on. This is not to say it isn't possible. It absolutely is and given how inexpensive plugs are that it is almost good practice to just change out the 4 plugs first to see if that resolve the misfiring issue and if it doesn't then move onto the more costly coils.
@ibanez95992 жыл бұрын
2008 fit i have same problem , and what i did was closed the hood and spray lot of water and find out that water filter through the rubber and wets coils and spark plugs and damaged so i will replace this hood rubber or wheather rubber . I think That's what my problem was all this time
@bandolin12167 жыл бұрын
Good video. Kudos for doing this in mid winter. I waited for the spring and I started with cylinder 4. LOL. And yes the volume was low.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
yeah, I hate fixing cars in the winter. I was going to invest in a garage heater this year but chintz out because I know I'm still sorta tough and can weather out the cold if I really needed to.
@pt109che7 жыл бұрын
Thank you buddy, just like you it was finally fixed when I got to the last cylinder. Many thanks.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
that's great news! Glad your engine is running smoothly again.
@claptor3116 жыл бұрын
I got no check engine light but my code is still reading a misfire in cylinder 4 I replaced all the ignition coils spark plugs and wires but I still have the code in the car only runs rough the first 5 minutes of being started then run smooth the rest of the day
@nicolasbergeron33356 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much my fourth coil pack was also deffective. You saved me so much time and money!!!!
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
you're most welcome! thanks for watching!
@lancebaker13744 жыл бұрын
Fourth pack was defective? Worst run of bad luck ever.
@lancebaker13744 жыл бұрын
Rather than run the engine to listen for misfiring for each coil pack separately, go to any large auto parts shop and ask them to check for code of Check Engine light (FREE!). That will tell which cylinder is misfiring.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Lance in some cases the code will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring. It depends on certain conditions and whether the ECU catches the fault as it happens. I'm working on a Lexus right now that has misfiring issues and the ECU doesn't tell me which cylinder is misfiring.
@allourep5 ай бұрын
You described my issue exactly however, mine has triggered the check engine light but your issue did not. This makes me assume it must not be the same problem.
@rsvp9816 Жыл бұрын
great video, thanks. you know that rattle the engine makes outside the ticking, what is that sound sir? is it normal, do you still have this car, does that rattle get worse?
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
Rattles can be many things. Mostly exhaust heat shields that have become partially detached from their original spot welds or bolt locations. Honda heat shield rattles are remarkably common so I'd check those areas to see which one "rattles or buzzes" when the RPMs change.
@harrykuntz8788 жыл бұрын
good job thanks my jazz shakes like a sheep dog shitting a bit . so now I know how to fix it
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
haha, good luck :)
@awwhitley4 жыл бұрын
Now THAT'S a good DIY video. Well-done, Bubba!
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dnnich7 жыл бұрын
I just replaced plugs I had the same problem but not all the time. I have 200,000 km on my 2008 fit. I removed the last plug by hand didn't have to use the ratchet. The coil had soot running up the center post and the plug had soot along one side of threads. I hope thats it but I'll keep an eye on this if it persists. Thanks for the video.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
wow glad you got your car woes resolved! Yes when a plug isn't torqued down properly it can migrate its way out of the spark plug threads and cause some serious damage if neglected.
@cebuphilippinestech51638 жыл бұрын
thank you so much!!! ... i will try to fix mine since i have the sputtering upon initial acceleration
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
you're welcome!
@arleatham3 жыл бұрын
I have an '08 Fit that requires a warmup before it can drive. If we don't warm it up, and put it into gear (reverse or drive), it will stall and kill the engine. It also sometimes has a fast paced clicking sound while it idle at times, I'm thinking its more in need of a valve adjustment, but do that issues sound like a misfire? 80,000 miles on the car
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
You may want to check for a faulty IAC valve. Sometimes when the IAC valve experiences failure that the car will have difficulty holding the proper idle spec especially when it is cold out. Clicking at idle especially when cold is expected b/c of the valve lashes being larger when the engine is cold. If it warms up and it is reasonably quiet then things should be normal. You could get the valves adjusted as it is considered preventative maintenance but it isn't typical for your low miles. Get the IAC valve check out first and see how you fare first.
@MyLifeThai371 Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem on my 2008 Honda Fit. I had to let the engine warm up for 2 minutes in the morning during the summer, before I threw it in gear or the engine would die. It turned some of the valves had absolutely no backlash. I did a valve adjustment and it works great now!
@hughmiller95952 жыл бұрын
It is fact that the jazz has 8 plugs/coils but at idle only the front bank of plugs are at play and the rear bank only work when load and revs are up ,so knowing this ,a miss at idle would indicate that it is happening on the front bank coil/plug .Found this info in the Haynes 2006/2008 Honda jazz manual .
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
What country are you in where your 4 cylinder motor has 8 plugs? Here in Canada and USA our Fits only have 4 spark plugs. The only car I have ever worked on here that had 2 plugs per cylinder were the Hemi equipped V8 Dodge Rams where they had 16 plugs in the motor.
@hughmiller95952 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian I am in Australia this car was built in Asia 1967 has done 230,000 ks ,only Got it a month ago, needs a bit of work but nothing dramatic.I am an old 77 and only ever worked on Morris and Renault in the uk and Holden /Ford in Australia and as I retired electronics were just coming in. So when I got This Honda I thought I better get a manual on it so go wneral 2002 -m
@hughmiller95952 жыл бұрын
Sorry stuffed up a bit.better get a manual on it Haynes 2002 -2008 full of good info . I found to look at the engine u only see the front plugs but to see the back plugs u need to lean right over to see them any body not knowing would only change the front. as happend to mine as i had a big job to remove the rear ,all carbon ed in . PS. get the manual well worth it.
@psychiatry-is-eugenics19 күн бұрын
2:39 that piece should pull off or apart . If it is burned it will probably break apart . And you can actually see the small spring that is overheating and arcing
@yodead3693 жыл бұрын
Dude your Honda fit sounds like it hasn't been well maintained. Sure sounds neglected. The good thing, it fixed your problem! Cheers.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
It sounds neglected but I can assure you the owner takes very good care of it (they did after all bring it to me to fix). Faulty coil packs on the fit are extremely common.
@lancebaker13744 жыл бұрын
My 2008 Fit has a different set of symptoms. It idles smooth as silk. The misfire happens if I press the pedal down at low RPM. It began one day after previous days and months were perfect. Since it has 190,000 miles on it, I'm changing the coils and plugs. By the way, prices range from $40 to 277 for a set of 4 coils!!!! What could be the difference, gold wiring?
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
hmm, your symptoms still could be linked to faulty coils. This car in question idled so smoothly despite its misfire that it was initially hard to catch. It wasn't until I drove it under load and sudden loads (hard acceleration) did the coil failures really rear its ugly head. That being said, if you replace all plugs and put in a new set of coils that chances are you'll resolve a lot of your engine woes. The coil pack prices range significantly in price for several reasons - quality (made in Japan, USA or China), brand name (well known brands vs. some random non-name brand), and whether it comes wrapped in Honda packaging. Honda packages ones have to meet a certain specification that Honda defines and should assure the consumer that the fit and finish and performance qualities meet that standard. This is not to say that parts you buy outside of the Honda parts department is bad - lots of great quality parts there too but your mileage may vary. I bought this replacement coil pack from Honda for LESS money than a good quality aftermarket part so naturally I went with the Honda part.
@leithchesser74492 жыл бұрын
Hey my fit has the same problem. I’m about to replace coils and plugs and do a valve adjustment, did you ever resolve the issue? Thanks
@CarShed688 жыл бұрын
i belive they can be fixed,you just need dissasamble coil,there is spring,and (resistor?) or fuse, so clean spring ,contacts,check that fuse(resistor) for resistance,if no resistance i belive u can solder small wire to it,it can just cause radio tune problems,other way is just set your spark plug gap smaller i set 0.5mm and now sisters jazz running fine,was early hesitation on low rpm when accelerate. thx for video,maybe someday i will make how to fix that coils,now i just heave videos about testing them(no tools needed) and fix hesitation problem,with smaller spark plug gap :)
@chrisdarnell92802 жыл бұрын
You can also simply unhook each coil pack wiring harness 1 at a time to pinpoint what cylinder is bad..
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
you could try that but the problem is that often times, a coil could be firing fine during idle too and when you pull the connector that it can cause the motor to run rough thus creating a false positive. Your approach is definitely logical but there is still some degree of "testing error" that can occur.
@lancebaker13744 жыл бұрын
The Check Engine code will NOT tell you if the issue is spark plug, coil, or fuel. It only tells "Misfire cylinder 3" You then are back to the age-old technique of try a few parts to see which solves the issue.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lance for pointing that out to our audience. Yes, sometimes a car will be accurate in telling you which cylinder is the problematic one and sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't then you're left with troubleshooting a car the good old fashioned way.
@joelweinert35807 жыл бұрын
Way better than 50/50 chance, in my experience, that it's the connector, not the coil pack. Slightly twist the tabs on the coil pack and save yourself some money and have less failures. Also note that the camshaft sensor uses the same connector, so when the camshaft timing code shows up, the same fix works.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
hmm I care to disagree that the connector I bad. In my all my years of wrenching the coil packs on the Honda's at least fail and need replacing. Not saying that what you're seeing is improbable, it is just that I see failures a LOT and the dealership sales reports on the sale of coil packs suggest that as well.
@joelweinert35807 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought it unlikely, too. Nonetheless, it's a quick fix to try and it's been completely effective for me.
@Prince17004 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I could hear at warm idle that your engine had a bit of a knock/ clacking noise. I have the same motor and same noise. Did you ever figure out what that noise was?
@silentjellybean3 жыл бұрын
I pull mine apart and clean them up, but I have to keep doing that every 12 months, although it does work to fix the issues.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
it is interesting that cleaning them helps. It is likely a sign that the coil is getting weak and the moment a hint of oxidation forms on the contacting surfaces of the coil that it will cause them to not fire correctly.
@silentjellybean3 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian probably true, I notice the 'capacitor' looking things that I pull out with the springs are rusting quicker now, I think I've taken a zinc coating off them :) running a bit rough, but I'm not sure if that was the battery change and I need to reset again by either shorting the (disconnected) battery terminals, or rest the ECU..
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
hmm battery changes and lack of ecu resets would never cause a car to run rough. In this day in age of high reliability precision electronics that there is no reason for a rough running engine unless there was a component that has failed or on the cusp of failing.
@silentjellybean3 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian thanks, I think my next step will be resetting the ecu by shorting pins 4 and 9
@mediaversenetwork4 ай бұрын
i get no lights, but my 2008 fit juts had a tune upo but only gets 14 MPG city in LA...,, had all plugs changed.. ignition starter cleaned...help? car egine seems good. sounds good. no idle issue pleanty of power.just bad milegae.. cars is new.. used buy from 3 weeks ago.
@menyar44443 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem as the PRM on the speedometer not getting off easily. It is the problem of the headphones ignition
@jwattie1444 жыл бұрын
I have this problem with my element I think. I'm going to get a good coil and try it out. Thanks.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@parvilusquervins40064 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video , it was really useful , greeting from Haiti .
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
you're very welcome!
@wrinser13 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 2007 fit which was experiencing the same symptoms jerking at 2000 to 3000 rpm. its been a few months, I changed the fuel filter in the tank, it wasn't solved, then when i got fed up of feeling that jerk I did a scan and got a crank position sensor code. I installed a new one but had the same jerking problem. My dealership checked plugs and found one burnt out plug at the back because my car carries 8 plugs and 8 coils. however they said that the ckp code was not going away and kept asking whether I had bought a genuine sensor. I had a genuine sensor put in. They then told me that it was a faulty reluctor wheel otherwise known as crank pulser plate and that it was the first time they had come across this . I really wondered why they would tell me that the pulser plate would have an issue as this is way down in the engine, and I don't even think that they actually went there. long story shortened, i got someone else to pull out the coils and to inspect them and two on the exhaust side were leaking. Imajine after all that it was leaking coils. As we didnt have new ones at the time we taped them up with electrical tape. Issue was solved. no jerking at any rpm. so now i am waiting for new coils that i ordered. if you have that issue, please check your coils and plugs. note i never got codes for misfire.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
interesting issue you have there. When you say leaking coils are you referring to plugs that weren't torqued down correctly? I didn't quite understand what you meant by leaking and sealing it with electrical tape. Coils to my knowledge don't leak (unless you're referring to electrical leakage). Good tips nonetheless. I can't imagine a little tiny FIT engine with 8 spark plugs. Whereabouts are you located? In North America we just have 4 plugs and coils.
@wrinser13 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Electrical leakage. What we saw to determine that something was wrong was this, white residue around the neck of the coil and also on the opening of the block where the plug and coils fit. Somthing like this. www.fitfreak.net/forums/attachments/1st-generation-gd-01-08/5614d1468279131-try-cleaning-spring-contacts-ignition-coils-fix-misfire-problem-80-p1170850_df3a43fe72b6020ee5017a9ead64599caa9f70b1.jpg So we taped it tightly to keep nothing from escaping. I'm located in the eastern Caribbean. Commonwealth of Dominica 🇩🇲, not to be confused with the Dominican Republic 🇩🇴. discoverdominica.com/en/home 🇩🇲🇩🇲🇩🇲🇩🇲🇩🇲🇩🇲🇩🇲
@on_certainty5 жыл бұрын
this is exactly the problem i'm having! i look forward to repairing it!
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
glad you found my video :)
@sparkymikey254 жыл бұрын
Pulled all my coil packs and cyl 3 was burnt, replaced all of them (many guides say that once 1 has failed, the rest are sure to follow) and it completely changed how it runs
@apiusin22214 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing your knowledge. can you share how to change the engine mounting of this honda fit car.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I do not have a Fit to currently work on that needs a replacement engine mount. When I do I promise I will make a video for it.
@expsterm15 жыл бұрын
My question is why would you assume it's the coil to begin with, and not worn out spark plugs? Thanks for your video, very informative.
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
I assume the coils are bad from experience of working on so many Honda's. The Honda Fit comes from Honda with NGK Iridium plugs that can go WELL past 200, 000kms and still be in like new condition. This specific car I was working on already had new plugs put in by Honda so by default I knew it likely wasn't the plugs but a bad coil which were notorious on the Fit for failing prematurely.
@lancebaker13744 жыл бұрын
For my Fit, idle is smooth. Pressing the gas pedal medium to hard at low RPM causes shuddering. After a couple of days, got check engine light. Mechanic said he can read the check engine code. Next day he says "Could be spark plugs, could be coils. $550" How come the computer code isn't specific? I explained I am on fixed SS income, asked can you just do the plugs and see how it runs? All communication is by voicemail. He will not agree to do just the plugs for now. Am I being fleeced?
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
I would ask him to provide the specifics on the engine code. In some circumstances the CEL code occasionally doesn't tell you which cylinder is misfiring. It could be simply a generic P0300 code. I'd get your mechanic to justify his thinking on why he won't do just the plugs and if he can't provide a reasonable answer then I'd say find another mechanic. I will say this however, that if your car has relatively low miles or the plugs are fairly new (less than 100, 000 miles on them) then chances are that they're not the plugs going bad.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
that's great that he did it for free. At the dealership they'll charge $80 just to look at the vehicle. Unbelievable for 2 minutes of work.
@rafaello28404 күн бұрын
How much does this ignition coil cost?
@AyanNeil8 жыл бұрын
i hope it will solved my fit misfire and unstable idle.Great video.thank a lot paps.
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
it likely will. Good luck and you're most welcome!
@glennristau88036 жыл бұрын
had the exact same problem. very helpful video thanks
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
glad you found it useful!
@GEMZ19903 жыл бұрын
this is my problem right now,thanks for sharing this vid
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@NNIFAsVLOG6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. So informative! My car broke down in the middle of motorway today because of the broken ignition coils. I want to repair myself but have trouble with purchasing the items. Are the ignition coils of Jazz same with Fit? My car is Honda Fit 2005
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
Yep Jazz is the Asian/European version of the Fit.
@fadifindakly38506 жыл бұрын
Very useful video.. thank you! Could it happen that more than one cylinder or ignition coil are bad and need to be fixed or it happens only with one coil at once?
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
yes absolutely. Multiple failures can happen especially to part that is from the same manufacturing batch and operated under the same conditions. Anything goes as far as failures are concerned. Some coils could be on the verge of failing while others have plenty of life left in them. It's hit and miss but not unheard of.
@shychi77726 жыл бұрын
Its funny my honda dealer said it was a valve adjustment but always have read that it was the coils. I feel it should been a recall from day one with these H motor (horrible design) but luckily honda replaced for free but now 10yrs later still having issue yet no more warranty.
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say the motor design is necessarily bad but rather that their component supplier could've done a better job at building a more robust part.
@hassanhanif25462 жыл бұрын
Engine check light. Getting these two codes as error P0303 cylinder 3 misfire detected P0351 ignition coil a primary secondary circuit Will changing coil solve the issue?
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
In most cases it will. May want to pull the spark plug too to see if its badly worn. I actually had one case where I thought the coil was not working right but it turned out the plugs were worn down to little nubs! Always check the condition of the plugs and if they're good then go ahead and replace the coil(s).
@trcooper57933 жыл бұрын
Hi anyone sees this, can you please respond as soon as possible? I have a 2009 fit with about a 137000 miles. I think what you're describing here is what is happening to my vehicle and I plan on getting it fixed in a couple of weeks because I won't have the money until then. But i need to make a trip tomorrow morning for work--it's about 80 miles round trip in wondering if I will be OK? What are the chances of its stalling on me or breaking down when I'm on the highway? I have 2 options is far as a route to where am going. One is taking the interstate and the other is taking a county highway. The interstate makes me nervous because it is heavily trafficked which would be a good thing if I do stall theyll be more to help me but heavy traffic could also be a bad thing! But there is traffic on the county highway as well just not as heavy obviously. Any advice is welcome! Thanks in advance! Just a couple of FYI 's. When I get to my destination the car will be sitting for several hours so I won't be driving in coming right back but the total miles miles driven would be about 80 to 90. Also right now I am parked and idling and it seems to be fine. I only noticed it when I'm driving in after I've been driving for just a few miles. It's not constant but like every few minutes.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
It depends on how bad the misfiring is. If your car is running and driving around town just fine that you MIGHT be able to squeak that trip in before fixing it but again it depends how bad the misfire is. The problem with misfires or a weak spark is that the component can fail without a moment's notice and leave you stranded. Is there a way you can borrow funds to fix it before your trip or perhaps take a bus or alternate means to get to work?
@IRON_Inluence5 жыл бұрын
I have a slow jump loss of power in my first 3 gears & 5th as well... have you heard of this?
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
hmm, no I can't say that I have. Is your engine running properly? Does it rev up quickly in neutral? If it does but you're losing power while in drive then you may have a blocked catalytic converter that is hindering your engine's power output.
@bugjuicer4 жыл бұрын
My partners' Fit has two plugs per cylinder, so two packs per cylinder too, just for those who might be thinking this, like I am. 8 of these aren't cheap, and when one goes, the rest might not be too far away
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
That is interesting that your fit has 2 plugs per cylinder. The Honda's here in North America only have 1 plug per cylinder. I'm not sure if I completely agree that the coils will all fail at the same time. I've had MANY cars where I changed just the one coil and those vehicles have gone on for over 300, 000kms on the other 3 coils with zero issues. It is really the luck of the draw and also the quality of the batch of coils. Some cars are more prone to failure than others.
@bugjuicer4 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian I didn't know either, when I did the first service on it - only changed the front plugs, the others are near the firewall on the back, so didn't see them!
@scottiehikes4 жыл бұрын
Don’t know if it’s been covered before. But what if you have two bad coils. How do you go about identifying the bad ones because switching one out at a time may not help effectively identifying the bad ones?
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Two bad coils will unfortunately be more difficult to troubleshoot. Depending on your mileage and if you suspect you have multiple coil failures that chances are they should all be replaced as a complete set to spare yourself the aggravation and time trying to figure out which coil is faulty.
@IbrahimKhan-wq6vs4 жыл бұрын
I have Honda fit model 2013 old shape. When I am driving knocking is feeling to me.after this I change the svo2 egr valve the knocking is finished but after two day the knocking is again produced.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
hmm, where about are you driving (what country) and does the knocking change when you use a higher grade fuel?
@jasonmiguiel77562 жыл бұрын
i had gone ahead and changed all 4 ignition coils, but still am not able to fix the problem, is there any other way, please suggest
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
have you changed the spark plugs as well? I've seen some fit spark plugs that have never been serviced be so worn out that the engine started running weird.
@exwhyz338 жыл бұрын
wonderful instructional video - Thank you !!
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
you're welcome!
@diabethebe18982 жыл бұрын
Mine continues to misfire despite the change of coils. I changed all the coils, even four of the plugs.
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
that is likely linked to valves that are out of adjustment. Another issue that seems to plague the fit.
@diabethebe18982 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian Okay, thanks. I will look into that.
@paulalbert24965 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very informative video.
@clementecamacho8295 Жыл бұрын
I’ve replaced all coil packs and plugs and It still misfire and check light
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
Time to get the valves adjusted as this was a common issue that caused similar problems on several honda models.
@tommyfx22348 жыл бұрын
Great Video. Thanks you. I have the same problem.
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
you're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@Mandrag0ras7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It's very helpful for people who have wasted a lot of money in unsuccessful repairs and bad diagnoses. So the first generation of Fits has only 4 ignition coils? Is the engine sound at 5:41 normal? Were there any other problems with the engine at that time? Especially at 5:56 onwards it sounds really strange. This is how my Fit sounds too but I keep telling the mechanics at the service center to check the engine for problems as I don't like the sound of it. I also keep telling them that this was not how the engine sounded like when it was newer. Specifically I feel like when the engine was newer it sounded like a normal gasoline engine but after 60k miles it started to sound more and more like a diesel engine. So it this normal? And lastly, how much did the ignition coil cost?
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
How an engine sounds normal is a highly subjective opinion. The key thing is the firing of all cylinders is consistent at all RPMs. Any sputtering or "spitting" at the exhaust is a tell tale sign that some is amiss (literally). If it runs smooth, drives smooth and you're still finding it noisy then chances are that you may have an exhaust leak or you may need a valve adjustment to be done on your car to quiet the valve train down. Cost of coils @ Honda Canada is about $130 each. Aftermarket Eaton electric ones are about $90 each.
@Prince17004 ай бұрын
Same issue here! What came of it and did you ever figure out the source of the noise?
@tonymontana3830 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video thank you so much
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
you're very welcome.
@hughmiller95952 жыл бұрын
Good 1 son ,well done ,just like a pro.👍
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@JustSoCuteAri3 жыл бұрын
my first coil was cracked when I pulled it out it was in half replaced it car runs like new again.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
Glad you got it all fixed up!
@jdhrap6 жыл бұрын
I know my 09 has cylinder 1 issue. I will likely just replace all 4. Just recently I have started to get gas smell in car. Not exhaust but actual gasoline. I’m hoping the smell is just leakage from the misfire.
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
that is likely what is causing the gas smell since you're basically dumping some raw fuel from the engine into the exhaust due to incomplete combustion.
@jdhrap6 жыл бұрын
piercedasian replaced all 4 about week and a half ago. #1 coil was in bad shape. 3 a little better. 2 and 4 were in good condition. But al replaced and got the smell gone and some hp back. Still some cylinder knock and I did have a very muffled small backfire a few days ago. I’m sure I let the problem go too long and damaged the cylinder.
@CtoGuantanamo2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I just got a nice 2008 Fit and love it BUT (!), it has this exact idling problem and I don't like it one bit! Can you please suggest a good aftermarket replacement coil that's not a small fortune? Thanks in advance!
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
It depends on your region of where you get your parts from. Here in Canada the aftermarket coils vs the Honda sourced ones aren't that much different in price. I believe the factory Honda ones are supplied by Hitachi but any aftermarket part that has a decent warranty on it will do as well.
@zloben90008 жыл бұрын
here is an EASY FIX use a test light or wire to see the spark, ground one end and with the engine running touch the anode. and see how far the spark jumps as you retract the wire.
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
but the issue is how do you know how big of a gap is acceptable vs one that isn't? Sparks can fly but at higher engine speeds or when engine is under load the coil pack can lack the "oomph" needed to jump a spark at higher combustion pressures or RPM.
@tiagotrape5284 жыл бұрын
Hello, It won't bring any problem to change only one? I have the 1.2 with 8 spark plugs and 8 coils. In thi case I should change the pair of coils of the affected cylinder or just one? Thanks! great video
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Yikes 8 plugs for a little 4 cylinder car? Here in North America we do not have such engine configurations. In your particular case it IS okay to change just one coil since it operates independently of the other coils anyways.
@rezam1650 Жыл бұрын
I replaced all 4 coilpack and 4 spark plug , but 3 of 4 cilanders still misfires , what could be the issue
@MyLifeThai371 Жыл бұрын
I would adjust the valves too. Some valve adjustment only last 50,000 miles.
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
yeah, I've had hit and miss with some cars on valve adjustments. You're correct in that a valve adjustment shockingly can solve a lot of idle/drivability issues
@dosmastrify3 жыл бұрын
Mine idles great but when hitting gas from a stop it chokes. I did the coil packs 6 years ago, not 50k miles
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
have you check your plugs lately? If the plugs are worn it can feel very similar to bad coil packs.
@vanderhoof7414 жыл бұрын
Wondering if the cold has any impact on this symptom, as mine only started once winter started to set in, originally only noticeable when the car was stone cold. I have a set on order and am looking forward to getting mine swapped, especially if it means I can hold off on a valve adjustment for a while longer. Thanks!
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Outside temps can have an impact on how the coils perform but generally speaking it is the heat that kills them more than the cold. The cold will impact the voltages needed to fire up a cold engine. Cold engines and richer fuel mixtures due to the cold require a stronger spark to ignite and if your coils are on the cusp of failing that it may lack the required "pop" needed to fire a spark plug to its maximum voltage. This results in inconsistent burn or colloquially - a misfire. Hopefully a spark plug replacement and coil swap will resolve your issues. Good luck.
@zaifkhann3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I've honda city idsi, the problem is car jerking or jumping when i accelerating, especially when going up hills, what's the issue? It's not vibration, it's jumping like
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
did the check engine light come on? What codes did you pull from the ECU?
@zaifkhann3 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian no codes and no chek engine light, I'm confused
@bellirubbre778 жыл бұрын
replaced all four coil packs a year ago, and the car reacted well-shuttering, and strange idling went away, and MPG increased dramatically. But recently shuttering has started again-particularly when running the A/C, and now it won't start in the cold. Is it possible for the coil packs to fail so quickly after replacing? Also, Honda dealership is ignorant when it comes to coil packs-I had been taking it in for service for years-even had to replace the cad. convertor. When I found out about the coil pack issue, and told them about it, honda service denies that this could be an issue. Is there a possibility that something else is causing these symptoms, or something else is causing the degradation of the coil pack?
@piercedasian8 жыл бұрын
no not likely. Coil packs in the fit were notoriously bad and as a result of misfiring cylinders is what ultimately leads to pre-mature cat converter death. I would say that your coil packs could very well be no good (you could've had a bad batch) and need to replace again. It's RARE that it would happen that way but I have seen it a few times in my career. Consider replacing plugs if they even remotely look worn.
@MH-mh2dm2 жыл бұрын
Hello my friend my car only misfires only while driving. Last year I changed all 8 coils(the black thing you're changing)but still misfiring so I cleaned egr and throttle body but still misfires what solutions you suggest because mechanic s didn't know what's wrong
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
that is a sign of your intake and exhaust valve lash clearances are out of whack. Definitely pop that valve cover off and make sure you take the time to adjust and TRIPLE check your valve lash adjustments. When the lash clearances get too tight it will cause a misfire condition because the valves aren't sealing properly - typically the exhaust valves. If this condition is not properly resolved that over time you WILL burn the exhaust valves and will need to get the valves replaced (insanely expensive).
@Swag_K1RBY Жыл бұрын
Ives replaced all of my coils and plugs with oem and it still misfires while it’s starting in the cold (the weird thing that it runs normal when starting up again). Mines a 2009 so idk if valve adjustment counts
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
hmm interesting... I wonder if your crank position sensor is on the way out. I'd lead towards a possible requirement for a valve adjustment as this little 1.5 liter motor was known to act up when valve lash adjustments get out of whack (and they often do).
@Swag_K1RBY Жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian update obd2 said it was cylinder 3 and 4, I think it only happens under 40 degrees and after I drive for like 2 minutes and stopping on a light, so the way to not get the engine light on is wait for the car to warm up for like 3-4 minutes so either valves need to be adjusted or injectors are failing/clogged, it still drives good though
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
I'd opt to vote for a valve adjustment as it is a common thing on the honda's (too tight from factory). Valve adjustments are routine maintenance items so doing it isn't going to harm it. It should be done anyways when the car hits 100, 000kms or more.
@Swag_K1RBY Жыл бұрын
@@piercedasianafter thinking about it might as well do it Would you recommend doing it in a dealer or regular mechanic (i have one that’s 2 minutes away)
@gamelard19634 жыл бұрын
my 2015 honda fit has a rough idle. no codes or check engine. but i can hear it sputter and my milage is ass now. i think this is it.
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
What is the mileage, and have you pulled the plugs to take a look at the condition of them?
@gamelard19634 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian im at 77k miles. and my milage at 70mph used to be high 30's no i barely reach 30 mpg.
@thromboid4 жыл бұрын
I understand you can track down misfires by selectively deactivating cylinders (sometimes called a power balance test). Is that something you can easily do on Honda engines of this era, e.g. using OBD commands?
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
no that is not something that can be done via an OBD II scan tool. The OBDII scan tool is in many cases smart enough to tell the tech which cylinder is misfiring and usually all that is done is a spark plug inspection and coil replacement and that is often enough to fix the issue.
@winnerwinner34163 ай бұрын
Thanks
@noobinho88823 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for the video, very helpful
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@junelongoria77014 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what that ticking sound is? Can’t pinpoint it on mine.
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
The ticking sound from the car in the video is actually the injectors and valve train. The valves on this car were in spec so the only thing I can say is that it is likely injectors actuating as its idling. The camera mic amplifies this sound so its probably exaggerated more than what it really sounds like.
@woxihuankandianying7 жыл бұрын
My daughter's 2007 Honda Fit stalls when she is stopped. It is infrequent, but it is scary when it happens as the car rolls forward. Could the ignition coils misfiring be the cause?
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
that definitely could be one reason. Does her car have a check engine light that pops up? Has her car had the usual tune up done it?
@user-mc6qm2si6l4 жыл бұрын
My dear brother, I have a Honda Honda Jazz automatic in 2004 where the automatic transmission, the car sirens and the appearance of the D sign are separated, can you help me solve the problem?
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
the car sirens and the appearance of the D light is separated? Might be best to show me on a video of what the symptoms are.
@jordon360 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2005 Honda Airwave (Same engine as yours i believe)with Hitachi cm11-110 ignition coils(Notice online they say that these coils are only for 07-08 models). Do you have a recommendation on where to pick up some replacement coils online for a decent price?
@piercedasian Жыл бұрын
that will really depend on where you live in the world. Any auto parts store will be able to locate one for you at a reasonable cost and as far as quality is concerned that I can't say I have come across some really junk quality parts (probably ebay?) so you should be okay just buying them locally. If you're in the USA then Rock Auto is a solid place to buy your parts from.
@JS-fu9uq5 жыл бұрын
I think this might be the problem I'm having as it does the same sputtering while stopped or when the ac is turned on, as well as full system shut down randomly. The only thing that you didnt list that is happening to me is a squealing sound when the car first starts or when the ac is also on. Would this symptom be related to this as well?
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
Squealing is likely due to a bad bearing or a loose belt. Since you have a fit I believe they use an auto belt tensioner which means you might have a bad pulley or idler bearing.
@gevinhu5 жыл бұрын
Our Honda Jazz (eu fit) skips and shakes as I accelerate. No rough running at idle. I changed all spark plugs but not the coils. Shall I swap all eight of them? Or swap the distributor?
@piercedasian5 жыл бұрын
I'm not overly familiar with the european version of the Jazz. In North America our Fits have 4 coils and 4 plugs and uses a distributorless ignition system. Are you sure your car has a distributor? I suspect that you have faulty coil packs that require replacing (common failure point on the fit/jazz).
@thetomatomedium27197 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have a 2007 Honda Fit. I got the coils replaced twice within the last fours years of having the car. The second time I replaced the coils I got the catalytic converter replaced also as the mechanic said this was a problem as well. Each time I also got the spark plugs replaced. This was possibly 8 months ago. Today the check engine light is on. Blinks when the car gets over 2000 rpm and continues to blink until it returns under 2000 rpm or so. Stutters when idiling. Car dies when the a/c is on and idling. The car must be driving in order for the car not to die while the a/c is on. Can you please suggest what else this could be? Clogged vacuum lines?
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
nope, sounds like faulty plugs or failed coils again. Are you buying Honda coils or aftermarket? If they're aftermarket I suggest you buy Honda ones because of consistent quality (for the most part). Make sure the plug you use are the NGK ones spec'ed for your car's year and engine.
@waxsantiago3396 жыл бұрын
Demetria B Sir did you check the level of ATF?
@SromolKhmer2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@piercedasian2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@johnreece81027 жыл бұрын
08 fit continues to shake very slightly at idle sometimes, regardless of all four coils and sparkers being replaced, gave 401 code, cleaned egr passages as well as replaced egr valve, still no difference
@fifferfiffer26 жыл бұрын
i have a 09 fit, mechanic replaced all the 16 valves, he said one of them was bent, he is a good friend of our friend, so i dont think he is scamming us, but after few hours it was misfiring again, but it never happens above 2000 rpm, it automatic, so i hav eto drive it S mode to get higher rpm-s, but at the red light is still doing it, and i have to shift to neutral everytime its so annoying, it has new coil packs, sparkler, 16 new valves, i will bring it back, i paid 650eur for that, very annoying
@johnreece81026 жыл бұрын
I do the same, shift it to neutral at the light. Funny thing is, it calms down after car is running a couple hours, as i use the car as a delivery vehicle and it seems to go away after a while
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
hmm that is strange. Did you replace the plugs with NGK ones? did you buy Honda coils or aftermarket? You could have a bad new coil too...
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
bent valve? How did your Fit get a bent valve? The fit uses a timing chain so I'd like to know how valves bend while you're using the car normally. Consider doing a valve adjustment as that CAN cause weird issues on your motor.
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
get your valve lash checked and adjusted. I have a feeling that it may be that issue.
@suhel19064 жыл бұрын
I have the same issue..bad shaking idle and when ac on but run well at 3000rpm and up jazz vtec 2007...before i buy and replace the coil , could it caused of dirty combustion chamber? I've looked with my hose camera and the up side of piston very dirty
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
It is possible but a dirty combustion chamber could be a result of poor firing of the plug. While I can't say the putting a new coil in the engine will fix your problem that a dirty cylinder COULD be a sign of it not doing a complete burn. Only way to find out is try swapping coils from a known clean cylinder and see if it "cleans up". If it does then you know the coil is weak.
@suhel19064 жыл бұрын
@@piercedasian thanks for fast response..i think it's a good idea to do what you suggested.. i've observed, dissambled and clean the coil and the coil seems not in good shape anymore..i got nothing to loose if i just buy and replace all 4 coil..thank you sir
@csabacsaba29404 жыл бұрын
for the Honda Jazz / Fit 8 spark plugs , 8 coils
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. What market is your Jazz/fit in? My understanding is N. American market models only have 4 plugs and 4 coils. Very basic on our side of the pond.
@sereg4g4484 жыл бұрын
Hmm...I have jazz 2002 reg. never changed coils,only spark plugs,so far so good 😆
@piercedasian4 жыл бұрын
Consider yourself lucky. Fit/Jazz models are known to have less than stellar reliability for ignition coils.
@dynamn6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, but can you tell me where the mass air flow sensor is please?
@piercedasian6 жыл бұрын
Yikes, I don' have the fit in front of me now and your question was posted a month ago but if I had to guess it would be right by the airbox on the snorkel.
@XtremiTeez7 жыл бұрын
Honda Fits don't have coil packs. Each spark plug has its own individual coil. A coil pack has more than one coil in it, like a six pack of beer has six beers or a wolf pack has more than one wolf.
@piercedasian7 жыл бұрын
semantics...
@donaldfinkler24903 жыл бұрын
I've done all that it still misfire I changed o2 sensor still misfire
@piercedasian3 жыл бұрын
hmm, have you checked your spark plug condition to ensure they're not badly worn out? I once fixed a car where the owner swore it had a plug replacement done but before I replaced his coils that I yanked the plugs and sure enough they were worn BEYOND the ceramic insulator. There wasn't even a nub left on the plug!