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Pistol Red Dot Sight History with Navy SEAL “Coch”
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Күн бұрынRetired Navy SEAL Mark “Coch” Cochiolo talks about his pistol red dot sight history and his overall take on them.
Red dot sights have been proven to increase shooters’ speed and accuracy.
Do you use one? What’s your take on them?
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@ungarb 2 жыл бұрын
As always, concise, professional, accurate and to the point - you set the standard
@joeloporto5210 2 жыл бұрын
For me, once I realized how significant it was switching from front sight focus to target focus, that was the end. Never going back to iron sights. Training occluded is just mind blowing.
@cynickicksass 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is a golden wrapped gift to the community.
@M1911jln 2 жыл бұрын
I'm over 60 and it is hard for me to focus on iron sights without my reading glasses. I've gone to red dots and they are a god send. They take work in order to be able to pick up the red dot quickly. But once I put in the work, I'm a whole lot faster and more accurate at longer distances. And in low light red dots are like cheating when compared to iron sights.
@frankbutta9344 2 жыл бұрын
Wild Bill Hickok dropped a man dead at 70 yards using his Colt Navy percussion pistol. I should mention that Hickok was losing his eyesight rapidly by the age of 35. I’m turning 61 in a month, and my eyesight is great. I’ve tried other people’s red dot on a few occasions, but it’s not something that I need yet. It always great watching you, Coch! 👍👍👍👍
@cynickicksass 2 жыл бұрын
You will love red dots one day! They are a dancing mess at first.
@briancooper2112 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 50 and legally blind
@JDCali459mm 2 жыл бұрын
Folklore
@nucleargrizzly1776 2 жыл бұрын
Bill Jordan would shoot aspirin at 30' from the hip. I can't do that either. 😁
@hostilegoat 2 жыл бұрын
The future is now, get with the times. Collimated pistol sights are a massive force multiplier.
@mikereese15 2 жыл бұрын
Always love hearing your perspective on things Coch. I think Eli opened all our eyes to some new things and new trainings we need.
@dennisl4000 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I always enjoy your presentations! I feel you covered all the germane points very well. Not only am I old school, but old as well and transitioned to MRDs about three years ago. At distance my accuracy is vastly superior to irons. As part of our church's security team, accuracy in a crowded environment is critical. And like you say, up close and dirty, it will be point shooting.
@pg234forreal 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with you Coach. I like the circle dot reticle - can see it alot quicker
@lucion511 2 жыл бұрын
Love the history and interesting facts of weapons that were used under NAVSPECWAR. Been to Dam Neck twice for an A and C school. Would've been awesome to get a tour guide of all the equipment, stories, little nit picky issues that operators personally dealt with. "Of course that would only ever happen in my dreams."
@jerdog333 2 жыл бұрын
Coch is one of the top gun guys on KZfaq. He's really done the things and tested the gear and tactics. He's not one of those academic experts who've never done any of the things they make videos about. Some of those guys are great too, but there's an authenticity to Coch that I really like.
@ThereIsNoSpoon4 2 жыл бұрын
Love the videos Coch, always informative.
@okiecustompew 2 жыл бұрын
Since i got my first red dot i would never go back and wouldn't even buy a gun if it wasn't already cut for a optic or i would plan to get it cut for one! Just to be target focused it is worth it!
@jaredlange 2 жыл бұрын
love my holosun 507, got it in green!!
@tpr299 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Holosun with the circl dot, but now also have a Holosun with an ACSS Vulcan reticle. It has a chevron in the center with a huge circle around it. Almost however you bring the gun up you’re going to see the large circle which tells you which way you need to adjust to find the chevron. You don’t use the circle for aiming. It’s there to tell you if you need to adjust up, down, left, or right. It works, and it’s fast.
@nucleargrizzly1776 2 жыл бұрын
Which reticle do you prefer?
@tpr299 Жыл бұрын
@@nucleargrizzly1776, I really like that Vulcan. Available at Primary Arms, and often on sale. The other one I have more trouble acquiring. I probably need more practice.
@charlesreeves3426 2 жыл бұрын
I had a doctor optic on a Glock with a rear sight dovetail mount in 2001. The sights were not built to withstand the reciprocation of the slide. Great idea, but it was not reliable. The dot would flicker, and it wouldn't hold zero. Before that we were using collimator sights on handguns, but they would be mounted to the frame rather than the slide. This was wonderful for competition, but because of the bulkiness of this set up it was all but useless for a carry gun. Fast forward to about 2009, Trijicon came out with the RMR. They had the same problem as the Doctor Optics as in it would flicker and wouldn't hold zero. It wasn't until 2012ish that Trijicon focused on making a sight that would hold up to being on a reciprocating slide. Now here we are. Nothing totally new under the sun.
@gator7082 Жыл бұрын
I've recently transitioned to an RDS on my carry gun. It was far easier to learn than many make it out to be, and I certainly had the "why didn't I do this sooner" light bulb go off.
@hawaii7569 2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy Hyve's content. Interesting to hear about the evolution. I know off topic but I was also trying to figure out what those tabs were on your collar...
@hawaii7569 2 жыл бұрын
@Mark Cochiolo Got it. Thanks.
@shawnjones7856 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thanks, I'm an old school shooter too, but you convinced me to give the mini dot system a try.
@joethebourbonman 2 жыл бұрын
Well said Coch! I held off on the red dot thing for awhile, and I'll never fully transition, it's impossible to argue the dot doesn't make the gun more capable.
@countryfamilyalways7280 2 жыл бұрын
ACSS Vulcan by primary Arms You should try that out and I bet you might absolutely love it.....
@spartan_0226 Жыл бұрын
The BSquare mount for P226 sick !!
@djupchurch2673 2 жыл бұрын
I like how u stick to topic thank you for your service sir keep pushing out this kinda content cant get enough knowledge when a navy seal or any special forces speak I'm all ears eyes and everything I soak it all in thanks brother
@03redrubi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Frogman, keep them coming!
@willr4880 5 ай бұрын
I love how the dot doesnt care about your feelings, and people that think they are squared away with the pistol instantly find out that their grip and indexs are shit. I think thats alot of it. It humbles them and they dont like it.
@bombsaway6340 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not trying to be an operator but put a red dot on my gun due to eyesight issues. Can pick my gun up at night without my glasses and still see the red dot. Big help.
@Mike_Y. Жыл бұрын
Cool video, thanks Coch
@seventy2south886 2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos
@DD-kc5pw 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson!
@user-jv4ic8rh4d Жыл бұрын
I have spent too much on Sig 226 and red dots but found the best combo. If you have SIG 226 with rx cut. Best with Steiner MPS. The apex acro mount plates work the best. Have tried a few. The acro is a hair too long, rest on the slide. Unless you have a 226 with rxp cut. Then you can use the Romeo 2 or the acro.
@seanwhite304 2 жыл бұрын
I started using MRDS on pistols 7 or 8 years ago . For my primary pistols I'll probably never go back to BUIS only . All of my 9mms have MRDS and all my 45s are BUIS . All my 45s are higher end 1911s . I do train with both MRDS and BUIS . At first I could still shoot BUIS faster in matches . After solid 12 - 18 months of using nothing but MRDS I became faster , more accurate and I was now target focused . I would cover up my MRDS Glass so I could still see the dot but I could not look through the glass. This is how i became target focused and this is what worked for me .. I've actually had my from sight fall off on my G19 in the middle of Pistol class . It was factory Glock Front TNS. Luckily I brought an extra G19 with me to finish the class . To be fair that G19 had 20k plus rounds fired . I bought that G19 in 2006 and sold it I. 2016 . For a solid 5 years that was my only PISTOL and I trained a lot back then because 9mm was 10cents a round lol..
@erice4611 Жыл бұрын
Get the primary arms acss reticle in the Holosun 509t 👍🏻
@Paladin1873 2 жыл бұрын
The only time I tried to use a reflex sight to hit a living target, it was on a coyote running uphill. I drew down on him with my rifle and - wham - the dot was was washed out by the sun low above the hill. That's not intended as a knock on red dots because even iron sights or a scope would have been challenging to use in this particular situation.
@AUTOxMATIK 2 жыл бұрын
That holosun looks nice
@justink654 2 жыл бұрын
Reddots on pistols are the future but technology wise, we aren't ready for them to replace iron sights. They are getting closer with closed emitter sights though.
@chrisniche932 Ай бұрын
Facts right!!
@user-jv4ic8rh4d Жыл бұрын
Will you do a quick video covering your watch plz how you have that set up?
@Flashhood1425 2 жыл бұрын
Pistol RDS is def not a crutch… if anything it magnifies bad technique unless you put the reps in you’ll undoubtedly be slower. Another awesome video!
@billcostanzo6112 9 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Love watching Coch. What color for the reticle do you prefer?
@PFICoch 8 ай бұрын
Most are red but I like the few green ones I have too
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still not a fan, but i think they're getting closer. Give me a enclosed emitter with a 2 moa dot and a 60 moa outer circle, and i think we'll finally be ready for prime time. I am in total agreement with Ken Hackathorn though, I really don't think it's relevant for close range self defense shooting. Once you hit 20+ yard ranges, they really start to shine. I also agree 100% you need to put in thousands of reps/presentations to master a red dot, they are actually counter productive for shooters who wont do that, IMO.
@CookbookAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
You really have to train into a red dot. First time out to the range I really did not like it. I was kind of bummed out and thought I would have liked it more.... Once I did the work and got proper training with it, and tons of dry fire practice. Its a different world. Once you figure out what you are doing wrong, and how to find the dot every time you draw. It really helps. Also with red dots your eyes do less work than with iron sights.
@onpsxmember 2 жыл бұрын
The huge circles have the downside of eating battery charge quickly but they're quite helpful. When new battery materials are widely used and powered rails are a thing, it'll change lots of things looking at all sorts of automated and assisted aiming.
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember I think I get 20,000 hours of battery life on my Hollosun 507 with the 33 moa circle dot reticle.
@dalewalters357 2 жыл бұрын
Well done
@ADevinG Жыл бұрын
I think I'll get the Holosun.
@robjason9695 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@ElsinoreRacer 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I am a heretic. I really have no interest in handguns outside of home defense. I started with a red dot and had the "can't find the dot" problem and meanwhile tick-tock. I realized that I would never have the need to shoot it more than 40 feet. I mounted a green laser integral with the light. The laser is very bright, instantly acquired day or night, and at 40 feet, exactly where the hole will be. Everyone in the room will know this and we can proceed from there. I understand carry is different, but for home defense irons and a laser for me. Thanks for what you do Coch.
@nucleargrizzly1776 2 жыл бұрын
The older I get the bigger and brighter my front sights get. And my rear sight notches are about 3x the width of those from when I was in my 20's.
@DR676767 2 жыл бұрын
Putting a holosun on my AK pistol, my n pap next week, it will be my first
@Iceaxehikes 2 жыл бұрын
Recently another youtuber named Eaglerun23 had a trick to practice and get used to a red dot using a piece of blue painters tape over the front of the red dot glass. The idea is to keep both eyes open and one eye sees only the dot with no back ground, the other eye picks up the target and your brain puts the two together.
@onpsxmember 2 жыл бұрын
That's how it started out, only reflecting the dot in the eye and superimposing the image of the other eye. It's used to learn target focus as well. There were some videos for that by the humble marksman a few years back. There was some specific sight used in south africa and Ian from forgotten weapons could test it but I can't remember what it was called.
@davidli3582 2 жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember they're called collimator sights or occluded eye sights. Taping the lens is great for guys who tend to get sucked into the red dot window.
@joshuamasterson7677 2 жыл бұрын
I "feel" as though pistol red dots slows me down and introduces doubt to the shot at close distances in well lit situations (watching the dot bounce around doesn't "feel" good). When I shoot in the "dark" with my 507c I know the lead will land. Sincerely, Irons on a pistol Fudd
@ptortland 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, great comments, history review & discussion! Several times in the video you mention using a weapon-mounted light (WML) to identify a target. In the civilian world it's hammered into our brains that you should NEVER point a gun at anything that you're not willing shoot/kill. But if you are using a WML to identify a target, aren't you doing just that? And if you have to use a WML to identify the target in the first place, should you even have your gun out? Curious to hear your thoughts.
@Valorius 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Coch when did they stop calling them NVGs and start calling them NODs? I got out before desert storm and no one called them NODS back then, they were NVGs.
@LilMissCapBusta 2 жыл бұрын
Unrelated to the video topic, but what are the black tabs on Coch's shoulders?
@joshjosh575 2 жыл бұрын
I’m way faster with red dot with fast accuracy. I learned to “throw the red dot” where I want it. Meaning like you would throw a rock. Hand eye coordination is natural thus brain has easier time understanding that concept. I look where I want to put my dot, then I let my hands from the draw do rest, with “throwing action” coming into play as I present the weapon. Now it’s natural and I use 2 and 3 moa dots. Practice low ready with eyes closed to see what the bad habits are. Plenty of KZfaq methods out there. But I am the originator of throwing the dot into space to hit what you want.
@scaleworksRC 2 жыл бұрын
Almost all the people practicing this new drill are neglecting the fact that he used a pillar to brace his shots off of. Not saying a red dot won't help that, just seems like overkill for a private citizen.
@gator7082 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean overkill for a private citizen? A pistol exists as a personal defense or secondary weapon, period. Why wouldn't you give yourself every advantage against a potential foe?
@ajthetruth3023 2 жыл бұрын
What watch is that
@julianwilliamsTSW 2 жыл бұрын
FIRST Lets go Coch!
@HeavyJay1421 2 жыл бұрын
I wasnt around in the 80s but from what I hear it was a love hate relationship
@jimziogas8978 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a game changer…learn to shoot with two eyes open guys…
@effu9375 2 жыл бұрын
Out on the range?????? That's a freakin nice range!!!
@gmontoya8139 2 жыл бұрын
Great information. Just went to red dot on my duty weapon and am looking to have one on my off duty. Was wondering what a good price would be to have my off duty machined for a red dot? Any information would be great.
@rrholm472 2 жыл бұрын
I sent two glock slides to MOD 1 Firearms down in Kentucky. Very good price, perfect job, and had them baxk in one week. A G45 and G43x both fitted with Holosun red dots.
@EdSanPri 2 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts about aftermarket slides with a notch for red dots? And what brand do you recommend for a Glock 17?
@onpsxmember 2 жыл бұрын
While you wait, check those 'battery less' holosun offerings that mount directly to a OR cut without a plate. If what you decide on has batteries, make sure you can change them without removing the sight cause the screws will be done after doing that several times and have the correct screws with the right length, threads and use torque setting from the manufacturer. Look through a few before you buy something (astigmatism), to see if you see a dot.
@eddietat95 2 жыл бұрын
For the money, Brownells makes a slide with an optics cut at a great price - works fine for my 17. Really, any reputable brand like Agency Arms or ZEV should be fine, too. They're all drop-in parts. I would avoid windowed versions - sand/debris could get in there and the lightened slide will make spring choice another variable to worry over.
@arniewillis6265 2 жыл бұрын
How do you adjust with red at longer ranges when your guessing at the distance for bullet drop.
@tpr299 2 жыл бұрын
The new Holosun ACSS Vulcan reticle is sighted in at 25 yards. The top of the chevron is 25 yds. The bottom of the tip is 50 yds. And the bottom of the chevron legs is 100 yds.
@mikev2761 2 жыл бұрын
What distance are you shooting at with a pistol that you are concerned with bullet drop? 150 yards?
@nucleargrizzly1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikev2761 A lot of people hunt with a 10mm pistols. It helps with a clean shot at 75".
@sqeekms6186 2 жыл бұрын
You won't catch me with one of those fufu sissy red dots on my guns.. I'm old school too.. I bought a Red Dot tried it out for a while now I'm back down to my irons.. I do have one on my AR10..but we're talking pistols..
@bengrinberg7124 2 жыл бұрын
CRAFT
@buzsalmon 2 жыл бұрын
Good show and info. I'm not sure.
@NebPWN 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Coch
@AltronT 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but those Chinese made optics may have electronic or digital back doors, and as we have seen in Ukraine the Chinese made drones do indeed have these digital backdoors.
@biohazard20161 2 жыл бұрын
Pilots are just plain touched in the head.
@effu9375 2 жыл бұрын
First
@Emily-ou6lq 2 жыл бұрын
Nope....and you're not even 2nd LOL
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