Especially when she is introducing the last members of the family, how she goes full rap when she is talking about Isabella's boyfriend lol And ofc, when she just dances along avoiding the kids questions about her.

@@Angninjin22yes! the song gets progressively faster the more panicked she gets!

The best part is that the song sets up literally every conflict in the entire movie. There's "We don't talk about Bruno." There's the grandmother talking about earning the miracle through hard work, a stark contrast to Mirabell's love and care for her family, there's Luisa being too busy to talk to her sister, and there's Mirabell saying she doesn't like Isabel. The entire movie's plot is laid out in a single song. It's amazing.

@@Ro9ge yes! The song waiting on a miracle is another one filled with foreshadowing! it’s mirabels want song but she starts off saying what she can’t do and what she would do if she got a gift. She actually ends up achieving all that she mentions she would do in that verse and all without ever getting the miracle she desired! songs are a great form of storytelling so wish greatly disappointed me when they were just filler for an already paper thin plot

sae-byeok pfp, based as fuck

YES

@@G0d0fDaWallzlike even tangled kingdom was brighter when it didn’t need to be since the kingdom had a reason to be sad since missing princess and all 😭

It IS a pretty dull looking setting

It's really frustrating, because the Spanish names and Arabic architecture made me think they were going for a Moorish Andalusia vibe, which irl is one of the most beautiful and intricate settings you can do. But I genuinely think they've never even heard of it - they just smashed two cultures together with zero research.

@@ScouseJazmin Oh my god yes, Moorish architecture is so amazing. A testament to that fact is that the Christian conquerors actually kept a lot of it around.

Which is crazy since the background models look like the cgi models they used in hunchback

It IS a kingdom of immigrants that come in every once in a while Though I did wonder how there were so many wishes for so little people

The whole city was giving Beijing in Kingdom Hearts 2, just no fuckin NPCs and thoughtless shapes for the background with no character to it. Not a diss to KH2, they did what they could and it was pretty funny. This is just sad though.

@@sinsofthedaddy3656 Hilariously that is comparing a PlayStation 2 game from 2005 to a 100 MILLION dollar 2023 Disney movie. So yeah, a PlayStation 2 game, that features multiple worlds and as you said, is honestly doing the best it can, stretching the consol itself to its limit... I... I think we can forgive that one. Disney though? That has ALL the time and resources in the world, and it's a MOVIE, not a game, so you don't have to worry about file size... Pff, no. There's no excuse.

Judging by Ahsa’s…tourism gig that she apparently does for free?…Her whole job is to convince tourists who are visiting the “miracle kingdom” to stay there, with the hope that their dream MAY come true and even if it doesn’t, the bliss you get from forgetting about this dream you may never achieve…is worth it. And in return for their wish, the permanent residents get…what? A free monthly supply of food and drink and a tiny house to stay in as long as they work for free for the rest of their lives?

Plus Mirabel's quirkiness also works due to her unique circumstance of being part of a Family that is quirky as a whole.

@@javelinmaster2 And how she tries to compensate and move on from her perpetual feelings of being the odd one out of the family due to Abuela othering her.

Also you can tell she has something to hide while the song continue and she sings faster and faster, like trying to escape. It shows, don't tells

@@javelinmaster2THANK YOU!

The great takes in these comments I am proud 👏 🙌

It's that and the "powerful" line. Just nails on a chalkboard

Hey, that's not nice to actual elementary school kids with talent...its better to compare it to that one college moran who got high then jealous of the prettier girl in the class who had real talent, so tried making their own parody version claiming it's better....

Im so confused where it’s even supposed to rhyme 😭

@AvaWdoesvids I think this is an attempted slant rhyme - the "ee" in eighteen with the " y" in ceremony, but it just does not work

I don't know about you, but I wrote better rhymes at elementary age-

I believe it’s because the songs were made before the story was finished

@@Gojirasaurus_rexthey treated the song writers like chat gpt and gave them a simple paragraph about what was going on in the story up to this point, then gave them little to no time to make each song (I think it was less than 3 weeks each) which is probably why the songs are so vauge

Yup. The songs were written before there was a script

@@Gojirasaurus_rex they did that in Emperor's new groove and it was a success.

@@triadwarfare so ur saying they have no excuse

Right, and you could totally see what they were trying to do conceptually

Except the family madrigal builds on the themes and conflicts that are coming up almost like the song writer was given enough information to make it meaningful. In the family madrigal we learn: Abuela runs the family Everyone born into gets a power Bruno is outcast from the family and town for his future visions Mirabel is jealous of Isabella Mirabel (by her actions and the audience of the song) has soft power to influence people

@@kittikatsshe’s jealous of Isabela?

@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 she's the perfect Golden child She grows the flowers, the town goes wild Isabella has the families love and approval with no effort unlike herself

@@kittikats I mean yes? But it’s not giving it to me because Isa is actively putting her down

What's a shame is that this lyric, which as you said would be great showcase of how cult-like the kingdom is, only serves to make the characters seem braindead. Right at the end of the song one of the women Asha is showing the city to asks again if you really do forget your wish once you give it up. Asha answers with a little catchphrase that would work pretty well as a thought-terminating cliche. The woman's only reaction, upon learning that a prerequisite to live in this "paradise" is brainwashing, is to exclaim that she can't wait to move here. Mind you it could work if she was desperate, crushed by life's hardships or whatever the movie implies people outside of the kingdom go through; but she and every other newcomers just look like your average load of tourists, so, yeah. Good job fucking that up disney. edit: mistake on Asha's name

@@somerando8201 Aya? Her name's Asha.

@@imthebossmermaid3648 Oh yeah. I must have mixed it up with Raya or something

@@somerando8201 yup.

Wish feels like it *could* have been interesting if they had been willing to take a narrative or tonal risk but was so clearly written by committee. Every time they approach something dark or complicated they yank back away from it. Example; They could have explored emotional or psychological abuse in a seemingly perfect couple with the King and Queen-but it’s waved away as “oh no they were fine until he read the book!” Giving up the wish being akin to giving up part of your soul or agency could have been fascinating! I fully agree with this video’s rewrite of wishes and Asha’s character. If the adults had been dull and lethargic except for the very few who’s wishes were granted, that could also have been cool on multiple levels but no. Everyone is bland, but accidentally so. Not intentionally. It was a very disappointing movie :/

Her personality in the deleted scenes is more serious so it’s a shame they changed it.

​@@MoonlightBrillanceI feel like only someone more mature eould be able to realize the problem with the king sooner, and be brave enough to try and change it

​@MoonlightBalso if the goat didnt exist it would be much better

originally, Asha was serious and was the more "realism" foil to the Star Boy character, who was the quirky goofy one. Because they removed the character, Asha has become a twisted mish-mash of the two personalities and it's why she feels so empty.

I really wish she had been a little bit smarter. Imagine you’re hoping the CEO will do you a favor, so you ask for it _in your job interview._ She hadn’t even been hired yet, of course Magnifico got annoyed!

"Doors!" "Floors!" "Drawers!" Even the slight ryhme works and it's all interspersed with diagetic noisees by the character that fits! God bless LMM and the entire team that put Encanto together, it's SO good

Just resolidifies how special Encanto and Hazbin Hotel are *also because of their musical story-telling*

Compare the movie version of Moana's 'How Far I'll Go' (I think that's the name, been a hot minute) with the soulless "popified" version that screeches across the radio/spotify chalkboard. It started with the soul being extracted after the movie, and now we have songs with no soul at all to begin with.

Jenny Nicholson made a great point about musicals she calls the Disneymania Test: if a song can be divorced from its musical and still make sense, it's not a very good musical song.

reminds me of the abba movie. the songs just sort of happen with no connection to anything thats going on.

Oh wow!

Compare that to We Don’t Talk About Bruno in Encanto, which works in both English and Spanish perfectly. Lin Manuel Miranda is a lyrical genius for that.

​@@ntwwolf6908why didnt they hire him for this movie... smh

@@WatermelonWhatThe it's super clear that they tried to copy lin's style in wish-- they just sort of failed miserably

@@paribakshi4887 Adding onto this, Lin's musicals have a very different style/structure to them compared to classic Disney musicals - both in music and writing. It really feels like they tried to force Lin's more modern tropes into a story that relies heavily on the renaissance Disney structure, even when they didn't mesh well together. They weren't just copying Lin, they were trying to incorporate his style into a story it didn't fit.

Wow, I'll definitely have to check that out!

Merely applying a bandaid to a destroyed minivan in a multi-vehicular collision on a train track. How do you try to fix something that's so broken that it's better off being put down so as not to prolong its pain any further? At least there are a _couple_ of songs on this confounded abomination to the Nine Muses of the Greek Pantheon that are still remotely salvageable like "Knowing What We Know Now" and "This Is The Thanks I Get!?" though considering I'm just going off by mere assumption in this instance, I will be the judge of that.

@@nevaehhamilton3493 I have a playlist on my channel that contains all the animatics I’ve seen of people making animatics with the original wish concepts

I just came from this video

I watched that vid!! He did so well, and I found myself being embarrassed for Disney because how can one guy do a better job in a couple hours than highly respected industry professionals can do with years of production 💀

Yeah the songs didn’t quite hit the way Disney usually hits

I watched it my sister and my sister already got bored 15 minutes in

This right here would've made the movie so much better. That plot point being central to Asha, rather than her grandfather, also would help really solidify her in the protagonist's role.

classic disney !!

No. It's not that at all. They saw a _different_ kind of potential their centennial celebration cinematic masterpiece could bring. They wanted the world to see their true colors by using it for their pro-capitalist agenda. This was deliberately set up so they could turn impressionable children into giving in to the greed they have been cultivating for an entire freaking century. Wishes are just an allegory for selfish desires, with Asha representing Disney and their childish greed for more than they already have and King Magnifico as the altruistic dissenters who oppose the greed cultivated by the big boi companies that include Disney. Asha already has everything she could ever want, and yet she desires more, hence "This Wish". Greedy people are never satisfied with what they already have.

RIGHT!!!! What on earth were they thinking?! It baffles me how people who've spent their lives studying song-writing could make songs this terrible!!

​@@nevaehhamilton3493 Magnifico is a narcissist brother.

@@Going.Creative._modethe only reason he became a narcissist was bcus of the whole spell book cliche that feels shoehorned in because they probably realized earlier in that point he really wasnt that much of a villain

And the shots that we do see, like in this song, feel so dull! She's singing about how amazing the kingdom is, but it feels so barren and quiet. Even when there are people crowding into the town square for the ceremonies and announcements it feels so lifeless, like it's not lived in at all.

Magnifico also calls it a town in his song.

Maybe the writers were going for city-state.

Agreed! It has worked for Disney in the past. Think Elton with lion king, but of late it hasn’t really been the right fit for some reason. Maybe also because pop nowadays has changed a lot?

Perhaps, but I think there's much to be said about experience. Elton John and Phil Collins, both of whom are pop stars that have worked on Disney projects before, were already long-established professionals in song writing before lending their talents to animation. While Rice and Michaels are not amateurs, in my opinion they may not have been seasoned enough to tackle such a project as this. Then again, the root of the problem may have been a lack of time. While the main composer behind the score had at least six to eight months to try and prepare something, it seems that nothing was finalized until the last 6 weeks. For a movie that began its development back in 2018... let's just say I find the lack of preparation time granted for the musicians just criminal. Not even the two artists just mentioned would have thrived under those conditions!

@@ShadwehUmbreaRice and Michael’s are seasoned writers, but Elton John and Phil Collins were encouraged to being more versatile.

the tiktokification of the disney musical.

…no one in 1200 had any concept of outer space? what?

@ErikaCartet No. They didn't. They believed the sky was a dome called the firmament and the stars were lights that moved within it. They didn't even have a concept of the sun being a star or the heliocentric solar system. It was *literally* called the dark ages.

​@@ErikaCartet Yes, as our (modern, 21st century) concept of "outer space" is directly informed by observations only made possible with industrialization and sophistication of technology to allow for large scale telescopes. In the 13th century, the general model likely would have been a kind of firmament, a sort of bubble of sorts, of stars around a geocentric (Earth at the center) model of our solar system. Only with observation, record keeping and analysis persisting was the heliocentric model adopted in Europe in the 17th century- and the modern idea of interstellar or "outer space" would not be codified and proven with actual evidence of the existence of galaxies until the 20th century. Many different theories on the nature of the solar system itself have existed throughout time since antiquity. However, we are only able to create our even more expansive model than heliocentrism through our own observation, record keeping and continual analysis. The reason why people in the 13th or any century did not know something is simply the accessibility of the scientific method- in this case, the necessary technology allowing us to see beyond what the naked eye can is just very difficult to make for non-industrialized societies as large scale telescopes require severe precision and automation. This means that they cannot prove or disprove theories about non observable things-thusly, they have no concept of an outer space.

@@fln2098 okay so they did have an analogous concept of outer space, just not a modern one. the way you phrased it made it sound like they didn’t have any sort of concept of space and weren’t forming theories about it

Right? It’s absolutely horrid.

to be fair this would make it the 3rd family centered movie in a row and I think audiences would be tired after that. Her family did need a bigger role tho because it was their wishes that were significant not them.

​@lilac3266 True, but would that have really been a bad thing in the long run? The Disney of today seems to be a lot better at writing stories about family instead of adventure plots with villains. I mean, some of their best movies have family as a major/background theme. One of my favorite Disney franchinese of all time is Lilo & Stitch, which is all about Found Family. I think I would have preferred a cute family story with no villain over whatever Wish was trying to do.

Even Disney Junior songs can be better than this. Take Sofia the First for example- that show has bops.

@@puredemon5926 I've heard some of the songs from that show. While I consider them superior to WTR, I don't necessarily think they're film-level.

@@puredemon5926dude the Elena of Avalor soundtrack is a banger. I saw a few people in the comments of the WTR lyric video saying it sounds like a song from that show

She’s awesome! Excited to keep growing!!

God I love Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

The sad thing is, it could have worked quite well! The warm, happy kingdom being actually an empty shell whose citizens are brainwashed cultists. But since the writers didn't elaborate enough, it just look like an underdevelopped setting...

@@agnesleuenberger3713 Right!

Man I love it when all the important information about the setting is explained DIRECTLY AFTER the exposition song :D

That would be boring, no offence but under the sea is about Sebastian singing about how the Sea life is better than the surface and easier. Trying to convince her, plus we already have an introduction song in the beginning.

​@@HKGC-do6gkI'm pretty sure they're being sarcastic

@@ShadowKamehameha32 I don't think so, no offense on Their opinion. I don't really know if they're sarcastic or not.

​@@HKGC-do6gk It feels like a joke

@@HKGC-do6gk I'm like 99.9% sure they're being sarcastic

Frozen, and Home on the Range are Steven Spielberg movies compared to Wish.

@@nicholasdruce5346home on the range is my second favorite disney movie (My fav is Moana)

@@MothpoolFan Why were we so harsh on Home on the Range?

@@nicholasdruce5346 idk

I think the difference between the two films is direction. The Frozen writers actually had an idea of what they wanted to do with the story, even if it was kind of clunky. At its core, Frozen is about two sisters torn apart by circumstances and are trying to patch things up. But Wish feels like the writers were struggling to figure out what they wanted to do with the movie. Why else would characters like Asha not have a clearer goal or Magnifico flip back and forth between reasonable and unreasonable while characters like Anna and Elsa are more consistent? And with Hans, you can kind of see the twist on the second watch.

🤷‍♂️ lol

This video confirmed that what you thought weren't just subjective opinions but ones based on general tastes that many people thought too, isn't it worse for Disney? So indeed, this song was worse than you thought as you're just one of the many people who disliked the song 😂

Right??? And if anything you wouldn't want new people moving into your kingdom, so your wish had more chances of being picked

Omgg that’s soo true

girl mirabel is the main character and she looks nothing like asha💀

Mirabel's hair isn't long and neither of them have dark skin, just brown skin. Also, Mirabel doesn't wear purple. What Encanto movie have YOU been watching?

Sorry for the confusion. When I mentioned the main character having long hair and a purple dress. I was talking about Isabella.

@@lucasmatthiessen1570 Isabela is not the main character of Encanto. Nor is she "quirky", at least, not until she changes her dress from being purple to dark blue.

It’s my fav musical!!

at least "everything is awesome" was fire and thematically relevant

If I hear one more song that sounds like “Thneedville” from The Lorax movie, I will go insane.

@@karathewolfsfanficchannel933honestly yeah the Madrigal song in encanto grates on me as well like that

"the hans smiling under the boat fiasco on steroids" lmao 🤣 Also I agree with the rest, it would be nice to hear from the few people who got their wishes granted and how all of their wishes are ones that don't threaten Magnifico's power in any way. The king could essentially use them as propaganda to prove to people that he is doing a good thing in the way he goes about granting wishes. Since the people who didn't get their wishes grnated wouldn't remember giving it up, it would make sense. Also I think the story would be better if it leaned into being a much darker dystopia, rather than the light-hearted, happy, and saccharine setting it's in now. There's no sense of any actual impending doom, no sense that Asha has anything to fight for or against, even when we are told of what Magnifico is really doing with the wishes. The lack of suspense is really what does it in for me, and makes it feel all the more lifeless, sanitized, and bland. But I don't see how the book thing is ableist imo because the book is a magical source and has nothing to do with any real-world disorders, calling Magnifico narcissistic would-be though because it stigmatizes a very real disorder, that is NPD, as being inherently evil and selfish and cruel.

​@@imthebossmermaid3648 i'm sorry if i was unclear about the NPD thing, i don't think he necessarily has or doesn't have it but he has some traits associated with it and i'm not sure how to get that point across without saying narcissist-like, i suppose i should just use more words and being more specific, anyway i think the book thing is ableist-adjacent because of the way they botched everything around it, like usual with wish the more you dig into a part the weirder it gets when it unravels, basically the big question around the book is "how corrupting is it and what is magnifico's true nature revealed and what is the book", basically the fake out is so convincing that it's unclear how evil magnifico is, especially because of the villain song being so bad, he sings about making other people do things for people but he never does that in the movie, he also seems too genuine when he sings the song with asha about protecting the wishes, frozen's love is an open door has more nods to hans being evil than magnifico's song, with hans you can actually imagine what he's thinking while singing with her but with magnifico it feels like the book is way more influential than his own tendencies, wish's general vagueness makes it hard to figure out if he would've done the things he did without the book, the characters don't really comment on it properly, of course the queen would be upset that she got threatened by her love but she also isn't sad when she has to send him to the dungeon because she can't turn him back it reminds me a lot about ninjago because i've been rewatching that series, in the ninjago movie they also screw up the same trope because they don't take enough of the lore from the show, in ninjago the main villain garmadon is evil because he got bitten by an evil snake but he's way more self aware than magnifico, garmadon has way more agency over what he does and doesn't do, basically him and magnifico share the same trope of villain who isn't evil by choice, which is annoying because magnifico is treated like he did choose it, and i suppose him choosing to use the book makes him responsbile for him being corrupted by it but that is way to deep for the rest of wish, asha is too scared to sa she's stealing the wishes but magnifico is held responsible for what is essentially an accident, basically when using this trope a writer must be careful to make it clear what they're doing with it, everyone remembers the kids show that has a character be turned evil and they're back to normal later and forgiven for everything they did because they weren't in control of themselves, and i feel like magnifico falls under that since the queen purposefully protects herself from the book when looking for his weaknesses, but at the end the queen doesn't seem sad when sending him to the dungeon, basically it's a problem that they aren't clear what version of the trope they are using and because of that magnifico gets blamed for everything he did while anyone could've read that book and became evil, magnifico is just very powerful. they can do the same as ninjago and embrace the complexity that comes with that kind of character but wish fails at it. i assume they thought they could do a malefiscent without realising malefiscent's evil is a different kind of trope than a morally grey character be turned evil by magic.

@@marisokami5259 I see, and I agree with your points! I think you could call Magnifico self-centered or egotistical instead of narcissistic cuz that is a personality disorder brought on by trauma. And I see your point about the book lol. Haven't watched Ninjago and don't plan to so I can't argue there but ig I'll take your word for it.

There's also the entire plot and all of the characters in encanto being way better.

@@lulolie It also actually leans into and fleshes out its Colombian aesthetic so that it feels authentic. Meanwhile, Rosas in Wish just feels so bland, plainly Medieval England, and doesn't really lean into Spanish or North African culture at all despite supposedly taking place in the Iberian Peninsula and being inspired by the Amazingh people. And at least in Encanto the characters actually have real Spanish names such as Isabela, Mirabel, Dolores, Julieta, etc. but the only Spanish name in Wish is Magnifico which isn't even a real name smdh it's just the Spanish word for "Magnificent". And also Amaya. But that's it. Also the way they pronounce Rosas throughout the movie is just so damn Anglicized and it really bothers me. They clearly didn't do any research at all at all which means the movie lacks soul. It doesn't feel like it was made by Disney. It feels like it was made by a 10-year-old boy playing with McDonald's Happy Meal toys.

@@imthebossmermaid3648unfortunately the pandemic caused them to be unable to travel to the Iberian Peninsula and get their research but even then there’s plenty of references online they could’ve taken from. Guess they couldn’t look up what dialect of Spanish they speak in that region /s (that dialect is likely andalucian.)

@@karathewolfsfanficchannel933 Exactly lol.

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The problem wasn't creativity, if you see the discarded storyboards and old concept art, the artists(animators, storyboarders, writers) had a lot of great ideas, the problem was corporate management stomping everything down in exchange for marketability. Storyboarders also aren't in control of songs, that's the Director and whatever musicians they hire.

@@janecklyn Oh, okay. That's sad. I hate it when corporate management does that.

A lot of people at Disney have amazing ideas but its the boss above who scrap them wanting to make it all more "marketable" :(

(by the way I've watched a handful of your modern disney music analysis videos and I love your insight and they're super great and I usually agree, I just interpreted the meaning of this one a bit differently lol)

They were going with a whole lot of characterizations with Asha which is probably why she feels incomplete as a character They rewrote so many aspects and character dynamics and from the looks of it they were near done finishing up an entirely different movie until some executive told them to do it again It's Frozen all over again which is funny because a lot of Frozen staff worked on this. Along with Frozen 3 and 4 during production of this movie which uh oh