Not including Pixar, it’s probably a tie between Beauty And The Beast and Lilo And Stitch. Including Pixar, Onward. (I know a lot of people say Onward wasn’t a good Pixar movie, but I really like it. But then, I’m extremely socially anxious and into DnD, so I’m kind of exactly the target audience. 😅)

@thatonepossum5766 all great picks! Even onward! I love that movie. I think people might have been burnt out on pixar when it released, but its a stellar film that can stand up with the og pixar flix

Probably Mulan, although I'm still a fan of Robin Hood. It's difficult to pick just one or two.

probably The Emperor’s New Groove rn

The Hunchback of Norte Dame. The music is intense and beautiful. The villain is terrifying, the plot is dark and so is the villain’s song (Hellfire is the best villain song Ever), the side characters serve a purpose (though the gargoyles could have been better if they were just a figment of Quasimodo’s imagination).

thats deep

Its more like the movie is so generic that no one thinks someone capable of expressing human emotions could make it

@@hansolobutimdead Look up what a bell curve is. Not everything is going to be revolutionary. Though, I will agree with Disney, and other similar companies, we should expect high quality.

Exactly because it is so bad, I'd give credit to humans Untalented hacks who were hired because of their identity rather than their ability trying to copy whatever came before them

@@korinoriz Look, even the trash bootleg mario games from the appstore have SOME personality. Sure, anyone can make one really quickly and with almost no effort, but its Something.

I support the writers strike that happened but at the same time I feel like some of them deserve the pay they get because of how bad something is written

​@@Aspect_of_the_idiot Based

@@Aspect_of_the_idiot if it is entirely the fault of the writers i sorta agree. however, i wonder how often these results are because of higher-ups pushing for unrealistic deadlines, demanding certain things in the plot, not understanding what is needed for writers to flourish etc

​@@Aspect_of_the_idiot This movie is proof to whichever side is right. If it was written by people, then they deserve to be replaced. If it was AI, the writers have proven their point.

There's a reason some people get referred to as NPCs.

Cackled aloud-

LMAO

Well, they went on strike

@@stalebiscuit8516 same bro

Maybe the writers' strike is what made Disney try to use AI for the movie? Hopefully this flop will convince them to never do it again (although looking at their live actions, this won't happen).

Well damn, now I *Wish* I can forget about the entire plot of Tangled so that I can rewatch it after skipping the prologue, cuz that sounds like a really fun experience. I love it when stories have these hidden foreshadowing moments that eventually builds up to reveal the twist. And then the second time you experience the story, you get that moment of "holy shit, it was right there from the start!"

CjTheX has a video on this its really interesting @@liu7052

It's kinda like watching a Columbo episode and purposefully skipping the intro murder scene.

I did this with almost every Disney movie (on accident) and it's such a better experience in general. It creates the foreshadowing and plotwist that they lack

Ive never heard that critique of Tangled before but its right on the money.

It's like it was written by a ten year old kid, saying " if I can't have everything I want, that's not fair!"

@@chriswhite2151 coincides with the political leanings Disney has

@@mooredaxonliterally every human being ever is selfish, not just one political side.

@@mooredaxonthe only politics Disney cares about is $$$, they don’t care about diversity, sexuality, or whatever. If it tests good enough to bring people in to see/buy it, they’ll use it.

I could see its potential, it could have been a lesson about ambition and not being too complacent as well as being content with what you have and careful what you wish for… and then layers of several story settings in depth. BUTT, The Puss in Boots Last Wish already delivered that story! Story writing.. is regressing at this point. Is there even a theme and are all details connecting back to that theme?

Same like wtf was this movie

It's so sad this is so true

It's a losing battle

😂😂😂😂

I don’t think anyone could’ve put it better than that💀

EXACTLY!!!! Also his people, who once loved him, started questionling his authority, and he felt that his comfort of his people beliving him was disapearing, so he took drastic measures! It is OBVIOUSLY not written by AI!

bruh he is literally the good guy in my eyes because the "protagonist" is selfish and defies magnifico's rule for no apparent reason other than her opinion, then convinced his people to turn against him even tho he did nothing wrong

The thing is we actually got exactly what you just described with the first villain type mixed with a little bit of the second type. Only difference is that instead of telling them "Oh no! poor thing! Here's some hot chocy to calm your nerves!" They actually held him accountable for his horrible crimes. The people of Rosas tried to reason with him, but he was so far gone that there was simply no saving him. You say he became evil just like that as if it was too sudden when in reality the movie showed him gradually descend into madness from the very start. The red flags were shown throughout the whole movie. His biggest red flag before he went batsh1t insane was when Asha tried to compromise by asking to give the ungranted wishes back (perfectly reasonable given the fact they're never going to be granted anyway which the whole reason people even gave their wish was in the hopes of it being granted) after which Magnifico responded by lashing out at her by saying *!!!HE DECIDES WHAT EVERYONE DESERVES!!!* And might I add, this was during Asha's interview which was pretty close to the start of the movie, so there is really no excuse for saying it was sudden when he was showing his true colors from the start and gradually became more and more insane as more and more people started looking through his BS. There is something inherently wrong when one person gets to decide who gets to live their dream and who doesn't when in reality that should be left to the people to work towards themselves. I understand people willingly gave their wish, but that doesn't change the fact that there is something really messed up with a society that is okay with giving up the very essence of their souls and forgetting about it in the hopes that one day someone else MIGHT grant it. Magnifico of all people should have known that's messed up and yet, here we are. Him willingly casting away his last bit of humanity and benevolence by embracing the dark magic was simply the final nail on the coffin. The people of Rosas couldn't just forgive him as he showed no remorse for his actions. Even going as far as playing the "after all I did for you" card. Even though he just tried to destroy and enslave Rosas. Risking the lives of many. As he showed no remorse, he would just try it all over again if they actually freed him, which could end in a catastrophe. He had good intentions. Honorable even. Unfortunately he went about it the wrong way. The movie teaches 2 things: 1.That no matter how good a ruler's intentions may be, their ego, narcissism and spitefulness can negatively impact society. Not to mention he clearly had a God complex. His song makes it obvious that he believes he's totally infallable, which is false. People like Magnifico are simply not fit to rule as they are some of the most dangerous people to be in a position of power. 2. Instead of placing your hopes and dreams in the hands of others, you should strive to work towards it yourself. The second message of the movie is Walt Disney's vision ever since Disney's conception. Siding with Magnifico means you're also rejecting Walt's legacy which has been 100 years in the making. It's an insult to everything Walt has labored to build. Damn shame people don't realize that.

​@@aaronhernandez7268 not only is Asha Selfish, shes naive and an spoiled opportunist brat. Shes 17 years old and Magnifico didnt grant her apprentice job or title. And she asks a favor from Magnifico to grant her 100 year old grandfathers wish before she even got the job or did anything. And when she gets to be 18 years old she can offer her wish. Meaning shes STEALING TWO WISHES free of charge

My favorite theory is that Asha's wish changed King Magnifico, because that was the only was the shining wish demon could grant her wish.

yk in encanto they’re all Colombian. just Columbia is very diverse so it’s afro-latino not black. And europeans colonized colombia so their blood is very prominent. they’re all hispanic technically girl/all mixed😭 but i 100% agree with you!

@@xoxmerelyn1316 I'm a latino, i'm not black or anything but I don't like the term "afro-latino" but it's a problem that I have in general. Like, why is so important remark that someone is black? Why can they just be latino without the afro? They aren't something different to white people, idk, is so weird to me have to remark something so silly to me ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

@@Average_.AceAttorneyFan I'm white European, but I DO know the answer. It's often used for demographic and cultural purposes. Some people find that it's important to mention the fact they're a black Latino. They're absolutely not different and we're all human, but skin color can impact one's life, culture, and the like, depending on social things like racism. It's hard to explain, but white and black Latinos are still treated differently. Afro-Latinos usually experience worse racism. That racism can turn to strength in unity, which inspires pride in their identity, leading to usage of these specific terms. It's good to be proud and have a label. Hope this helps-- I know I wrote this in a complicated way, but I'm trying to explain it thoroughly.

@@valkyrie8467 Yeah but I haven't seen any actual latino use that term and that maybe is because us, latinos doesn't cara about that kind of thing and the racism towards black people is not something very common and even being kind of a joke between us but I get that in coutrys like US the racism is really strong and somebody sees necesary call themselfs like that. I think is kind of racism having so many terms just to say that someone is black and from a region, like, I think is unnecesary the afro-latino bc for us race is not important and you are a latino despite your skin tone of something like that ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

@@Average_.AceAttorneyFan It's still often used for distinction. There are many different types of Latinos and ethnic groups in Latin America, so it's useful in identification and demographics. These things still exist everywhere, even if they're uncommon. It's not really racist to have a term for someone of a specific variation of Latino, especially since so many different Latino ethnicities exist (Dominican, Caribbean, etc.). Specifics are important, especially to one's culture, depending on their ethnicity. It's important to specify, to some- especially since the Latino label is so diverse! My school is incredibly diverse (I'm Northeastern American) and there are a TON of Latino and Hispanic people. It's a majority Latino school. Even in here, it's important for some to mention- every culture is different, and some cultures find value in the term while others don't.

That's awesome I didn't know that. Also shows how much better (not that it would fix everything) Wish would have been if we set the stuff up with her dad at the beginning

That reminds me of Memento, where audiences mostly left theatres under the impression that the cop lied about how the main character’s wife died despite the authorial intent of the cop telling the truth that the wife wasn’t murdered, and the theory is that’s because we spend the whole movie seeing the main character reading and rereading the same note that says not to trust the cop, which convinces most people to also not trust the cop.

Do they even do test screening nowadays???

I still don't like Marlin.

@@fabiofuocoWell this proves that they need that again!

Sounds like it would have been rad

Can't have evil women in Disney movies these days, only in the Disney company itself. 😂

@@c0d3warriorFunny, because most of Disney’s most iconic villains are women and have always been women.

@@andreabanuelosavila2317I mean, Scar, The Horned King, Gaston, Captain Hook etc?

​​​@@Jpragerbut the gender of the villain often matches the gender of the protagonist. I.e. Hercules, Aladdin, Peter Pan, Simba... The Princess centered/Disney Classic ones are different ie, Maleficent, evil stepmothers in Snow White and Cinderella, Cruella DeVille, Ursula... I dunno I don't think the gender of the villains is an issue.

Or individual writers/employees used AI to excessively augment their job requirements

As a visionary whose worked with marketing teams recently, I get what you mean. Building a product based on other product's marketing successes always leads to disaster. The motto I've adopted: The reason something succeeded the first time was because they were the first one's to do it! Simply copying and pasting previous successes into your work results in a product that lacks heart and soul. All new ideas involve risk, but the difference between them and the new "copy-paste" method is that in the end, even if it isn't a great success, you still have something you can be proud of. And who knows, it may even grow a cult following down the road.

While this is evil, I would not consider it worse. AI is leading to an extremely dark future. Simply following what's popular is an old trick and always fizzles out eventually.

EXACTLY. It feels like it was written specifically for people on TikTok to watch a clip and say "Hey this seems pretty good." It feels like every scene is contained in its ability to be clipped and shared on social media. I'm sure there were many people involved with this project who were absolutely pissed off about the direction this film went. Not to mention Disney execs will take this as an excuse that people "dont want the old animated films anymore."

Neither, it’s just written by talentless hacks.

I can only think of four main protagonists, not secondary characters: Mowgli, Aladdin, Kusco, and Kenai.

Prince Naveen as well, he's the secondary main character in the Princess and the Frog, even if he's not the main lead

@@RambunctiousMouse Yeah, I know that, but I only listed the male leads, not the secondary characters.

@@cthonisprincess4011 Ah, I see. Sorry, I guess I misread your comment and misunderstood 😅 thanks for clearing that up

@@cthonisprincess4011 Does Aladdin actually count? there some aspect of debate with people of middle eastern and Arabic decent, by some criteria, there seen as "White" for some reason, no one bats an eye about the Danny Thomas show being about a Lebanese entertainer with an Irish wife. it's weird that it's like that though. and Danny Thomas himself was of Lebanese heritage.

Dishonor on your cow!!!!

​@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Crik-ee, write this down...

Exactly!

Mushu will forever be the best supporting disney character...and it was dishonorable that he wasn't in the remake

@@agentdon1760that was no remake But rather a shambling corpse of previous greatness that may never be found again

The ridiculous thing is so much of GOOD art is formulaic too. Like, the human species figured out how to do storytelling thousands of years ago. All itt takes to make something NOT feel like ai made it is a little bit of heart/soul. Ideally, you have someone putting a part of themselves into the project from the very beginning. But AT THE VERY LEAST it's not that hard to come in at the end and add a little sauce. Look at Crazy Rich Asians. That movie is as standard/formulaic of a rom-com as it gets. But the creative team and actors really cared about what they were doing and brought parts of themselves to the project, which is why it connected with people the way it did

Disney posted an AI generated Thanksgiving image btw. And it looks horrifying but they still posted it. I know an Instagram post isn't the same as a whole movie but they are at least publicly not against AI and have been caught using it

It's how Disney has been making movies the last several years. Everything did about Wish also applies to Disney Star Wars and the recent Marvel movies and the recent Disney shows.

​@@Sylvershadeafter phase 1 of marvel they found a winning formula and stuck to it

@@ImmaLittlePip Perhaps too hard, to the point of forgetting the soul

It’s a rather ugly portrayal of a marriage. The movie acts like they’re in love and that she cares but then at the end she’s like, “tee hee, you’re stuck in a mirror and I get to be the undisputed ruler!” Like, are we sure she’s not a psychopath who can’t feel love or something?

@@Nightman221k, I know. Seriously!

@@Nightman221k It's an insight into the narcissism of the writers. "You did one thing I disagree with? Well, that's it then, I don't love you, you're no longer human. Canceled!"

@@Nightman221kI think the old version would’ve been better, where the queen and king were evil. Now we REALLY get to see some interesting plot (if of course it wasn’t horribly made too)

@@EpicPlayer1XD Nah, only villains allowed now are either male or "trauma." That's also why they're rebranding their old villainesses to actually have been good people traumatized to be evil.

I thought this line was specifically made to be funny, because when he tries to explain why he thinks the people are ungrateful he says the same argument (no rent) twice, which shows (for once shows not tells ) his lack of actual arguments and letting us see through his point of view. Also shows his praise obsession cause he literally wants to be thanked twice for the same thing.

@@ananas_6029 I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've heard his actual behavior that we're shown in the beginning doesn't show him to be all that villainous and then they kinda shoehorn a villain plot in

@@jneumy566 Well yes they do I was just explaining the lyrics

the song is from Magnifico's PoV. it could be a way to display how little he actually does (thus he has to repeat things to make it sound like he does more than he actually does). this being said... that's just a theory

"Peep the name"

Failure doesn't mean squat for Disney, they're constantly being fed ESG money

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle not if i get involved

​@@yapflipthegrunt4687bravo six, going dark

Sure they are, so smart that that they're still giving Disney money and publicity? If we treated Disney like gamers treat Sega Disney would have another golden age by next week but no matter what they do and what they shove down your throat everyone won't shut tf up. You either have bozos like these trying to make money off the controversy or people sucking Disney off anyways for the old stuff they've done 20+ years ago. If we all pretended Disney just didn't exist anymore, no more money, all of their products flopping, they'd turn shit around quick

Honestly AI generated content, especially when it comes to writing, is usually so easy to catch, I’d be a little impressed if they really tried to pull off an AI generated movie this early. Don’t know if I’d put it past a studio like Disney, but I’d be a little shocked

Is there anything from the original script available?

@@cosmicspacething3474 i havent seen much for script but ive heard of a few scrapped concepts that really would have made the film pop- originally Star was actually going to be a shapeshifter! changing between a star and a magical floating boy! i dont know if he would shapeshift into anything else but allegedly it was changed for marketing- a cute star plushy being more sellable than a boy doll (which… they would have had both? if they kept the shapeshifter thing?? so silly) and king magnifico and HIS WIFE!! THE QUEEN!! WOULD HAVE *BOTH* BEEN EVIL!! we could have had a villain power couple!!!!

@@qqqq9556 the queen also being evil wouldve been so cool. cause shes his wife shouldnt she know what kind of person that guy is? why is she allowing him to be evil etc questions like that wouldve been erased if they just wouldve been both evil

@@buchstaben-suppe EXACTLY!! i like they way u think

@@qqqq9556 thank u :3

The answer is they can’t. If Disney would go back to what made them Disney in the first place they would have a better reputation. Yeah, they still make money off the garbage they’ve been producing, but these things aren’t just about making a quick buck. These stories follow people for generations and can accumulate more wealth over time. Just look at the cult followings for Treasure Planet, The Black Cauldron, The Emperor’s New Groove, Home on the Range, etc. All those movies didn’t make what was projected at the box office, but they have massive cult followings and if Disney did something with them today, they’d be a success. It’s a shame that Disney doesn’t see its own value, and that’s where the problem stems from.

That's why honestly I think you just stick with Lin Manuel Miranda for this type of thing. I know not everybody love his style, but he's thoroughly versed in the music and storytelling of theater, while also bringing a broader "pop" appeal with his work. Even the Greatest showman, which is one of the "pop-iest" musicals in quite some time, still focuses on storytelling in the musical numbers (even if that's more thanks to the director/cinematographer rather than Pasek and Paul)

Pop music is good on its own, but it doesn’t belong in movies and theater. That’s what we have theater music for!

What would the Sherman brothers think of this nonsense

Didn't know about it. But it explains A LOT! Never seen such an anticlimactic score in a Disney movie.

Pop isn’t bad on its own, but it just doesn’t fit right here. It’s like hiring a pastry chef to make a Thanksgiving dinner

Exactly! The reason I love storytelling and art is because you can see diverse ideas, people, and experiences represented. The problem isn't studios like Disney being more diverse. It's that their diversity is biased in certain directions, making it feel artificial or like a form of Tokenism. A movie like wish feels cold and corporate in its representation, whereas Encanto feels truly authentic and clearly comes from a place of love.

@TheWritersBlockOfficial Yeah, I haven't seen Wish, but Encanto is also how a lot of Latine families are... when I came to the US I found it confusing just seeing everyone separate ppl by race so much. Ofc it's not perfect where I'm from (Puerto Rico), but the division between race isn't like it is in the US.

@@TheWritersBlockOfficialThank you so much for mentioning Encanto! You can tell the company took a lot of care to do research on Colombia and were very selective about how they included parts of the inspiration (One Hundred Years of Solitude) They yellow butterflies, Bruno's little nod in his telenovelas, the secure, secluded town with a nebulous timeline. Each of the characters is onscreen and shown enough that we get a good glimpse of who they are, and there's enough going on in the background that we can build so much about the town from context clues throughout the movie. Tt's wonderfully done and that's part of the reason it's my favorite modern Disney movie!

@Crazyashley42 i think what works so well is the movie isnt trying to represent too big of a group. Its specifically a single community and is very detailed and thorough in its depiction. As a result, MORE people can find something to attach to or feel represented by. Another Lin Manuel Miranda project, in the heights, takes a similar approach and likewise achieves a similar effect

i agree but also its nice to reliably have somewhere you can see a lot of female leads in a male driven market. still should actually get a femake director if they really care about diversity, sure its nice seeing women in power in fiction but they have the ability to do that in real life

People in the industry do talk to each other, so it wouldn’t be surprising if there was some discussion about plot points, names, etc, but it could’ve also been a coincidence since both plots are vastly different. Similar art styles for both films make me suspicious though.

@tiahnarodriguez3809 in detail they're not similar plot-wise, but in having the plot revolve around wishes and a star that comes down, it seems real likely that general setup traveled to other ears.

At the same time though, the sequel for Puss in Boots was already planned a while back right after the release of the first film, just that there were delays ever since so it feels like this was already long planned before they even knew about Wish.

They weren't necessarily written into a corner. They could have had Asha or whatever her name is come back, proven wrong, as she is naive like Anna.

That would be a good balance for a modern Disney movie, an antagonist, but not a villain (Like Abuela from Encanto)

Or even better, have the corruption of power go to Asha, when she manages to move people in her favor? Although that might be too controversial for Disney

The true problem with “””woke””” that no one addresses is how these big companies clearly don’t actually give a shit about representation. It’s just about checking boxes because white people aren’t the only ones who have money. I suppose the forced diversity better than not having it all, but it could be actually good instead.

I have the artbook. From what I've gathered, they did research into the region... but very surface-level research.

Not seen the movie yet but I agree with you as well. Why does Wish have to take place in the real world? They could have just made something up and not really have to go in depth just like Frozen and Tangled. They can be inspired by real life places and not have to worry with how people of those places looked like or act. You can give the excuse that "but it is just fantasy so it doesn't matter" crap but then why is Beauty and the Beast and Encanto a good representation of their land?

Reminds me on how they handled the "representation" in Raya and the Last Dragon. It feels so shallow and the movie doesn't feel Southeast Asian at all

Also a Spaniard and quite upset.

100% agreed.

It also has the classic Disney villain, and good music.

Dr facilier's song is such a banger.

I miss Disney's 2D movies

To me, is also the only meaningful case of Disney race swapping historical characters. Instead of making a German princess black for no explanation they reimagined the story to be set in 1920s New Orelands and it works perfectly well.

might be since most people who advocate for more racially diverse characters (not all, most) are also feminists or women? Ngl i don't see many guys asking for this kind of thing

And he didn't have to be a villain, but they decided to go with "too unredeemable to change" by making him use dark magic where it could not be reversed. That part pissed me the hell off when his wife just ABANDONED her husband in a jewel or whatever and shrugged him off in the end instead of being a good, faithful partner like she tried to be throughout the movie.

It reminds me of Santa Inc's approach to their villain. For those unfamiliar, don't worry about spoilers cause it's horrible, but Santa Inc is about a female elf wanting to be Santa's successor and working hard to do so, trying to fit in with a "boy's club" corporate atmosphere in order to get the role. Day finally comes, she doesn't get it, and another white male is picked as Santa's successor. When confronted about this, Santa actually makes a super valid point: that the protagonist herself doesn't like kids and isn't a very jolly personality, so he could never in good conscience pick her as his successor. He instead decided he wanted her to be the "Vice Santa" behind the scenes because she's still terrific at running the company and doing the logistics, whereas the guy he chose as Santa himself was perfect to be the face of the company because he's good with kids and has that positive attitude, but bad at the logistics. Santa concludes his speech by telling her she shouldn't let her ego get in the way of doing what's right, and that doing a good job is more important than the glory of being *the* Santa. Phenomenal, fantastic speech that honestly could've saved that series from being utter garbage and instead make it okay. But no, what happens? She tells Santa to go f*** himself and then the finale proceeds to engage in character assassination of Santa, showcasing that he was puppy-kicking evil all along and it really WAS all just a move to keep her down! *Point being:* It's weird to me that today it feels like writers *don't* want the complex, thought-provoking villain and would actually prefer one who can only be described as "stupid evil," aka, they're evil in such a way that it can be downright nonsensical they behave this way. We actually have writers that prefer a black-and-white world where we encourage the audience to plug their fingers in their ears, chant "don't think about it" and demonize the villain as irredeemably evil, regardless of what they actually have to say.

@@Longknife Never heard of Santa Inc but that does sound exactly like what modern movies would do instead of having a main character grow and change throughout the story's progression.

@@Longknife I've never seen Santa Inc, but I just wanted to say thank you for writing this comment. It's a super valid point and very close to what I've been feeling towards modern shows and cinema. It's nice to know there are other people who care about story and character motivations who are frustrated with the same stuff I am

Jojo refrence?

I’m so confused? Wish was a good movie why is everyone hating on it so much???

@@Unknown_individual_561 because it wasn't good. Hope this helped

@@gracemustvebeenhere did you watch it before looking at the critics or did you try to be like everyone else?

@@Unknown_individual_561 i saw it before reading any reviews. came out the theater with the same ideas most reviewers had. its poorly written. but if you like poorly written movies, theres nothing wrong with that. i like some very bad movies.

@@hanimallover1 ok 👍 i don’t like poorly written movies I’m just confused and i was asking a question.

I guess to justify why there is so much diversity, but if that's the case... why even put it on the real world? fantasy solves that instantly

ChatGPT rhymes glee with glee, it has the same redundancy the original had

@@cheaproot ya..but I srsly hate the original song😞😞

fr

Kinda like real women.

@@bigbadwolf3199literally what 💀 that’s an animated girl are you stupid?

​@@bigbadwolf3199dude

@@bigbadwolf3199Your lack of game and charisma isn’t the woman’s fault. Get well soon

tbh Walt deserves a sullied legacy. Now I'd love for a better company to shake off Disney's tentacle suckers that are apparently indented in everything.

As if thats ever gonna happen. Disney is the big money, nobodies gonna go against them@@cedar4539

@@cedar4539 wouldn't be sure about that, he was smeared and lied a lot about even in his day

@@TonySandManthe things that are true about him are bad enough, no need to lie about him.

@@captivecat5858 like what?

Not just kids media, unfortunately. I was watching the cutscene movie for ff16, same problem

Well, movies shouldn't be relied upon to teach childen much of anything. It's nice when they do though. It is also annoying when they just explain something they could show better, but it's probably so dumb people like me can understand it. I have to ask people to explain their jokes to me more than normal.

@@adamofblastworks1517 it's just like.. a missed opportunity. Especially since so many kids are just left to watch movies for way too long every day now :/

@@libbykeppel1090 it definitely is a missed opportunity.

@adamofblastworks1517 Well, that's what stories are for tho, to bring context to our lives and the people and things around us. The problem now is that we don't tell stories to teach, entertain, or help each other understand. We create them only to make money, that's why so many are bad. They have no purpose

Disney wants us in the mindset of "being happy by having everything" so we can keep on gorging ourselves on everything they put out.

It would be like the villain has a point moment right?

Aladdin's Genie established three rules at the beginning and no one complained that they were "being oppressed"

they have a fair amount of people who operate on wishful thinking tbh.

@Cartoonicus Like in Wall-E

i want this to be true

Happy to!

My 'problem' with 'diversity' is perfectly encapsulated by Wish. The characters are 'diverse' in a paint by numbers fashion, and subsequently, they are not actual characters, nor are they diverse beyond a superficial level. What's the point of representation if the characters are bland as stale oatmeal?

as someone who only came across a review of this movie to just after it realize the reviwer was THAT kinda person (which completely made me double think everything said and oh boy it was shattered so hard), and refused to even start the next one i found because i saw they had one other review with a slightly suspicious premise (i really wanted to make sure i wouldnt fall for giving ears to someone who has a breakdown over having wheelchaired wizards in your rpg (im not even kidding the 1st 1 did exactly that. like wtf whos forcing you to put ur char in a wheelchair?) i felt ya frfr like wtf

It is a disaster

It's funny how most of their famous hits are mostly stories taken from other people and changed around lol

They ran out of books 😅 and also those books are not inclusive enough anyways so unless you want them to change up the stories like they are doing with Snow White again it’s best they keep doing original trash that will bomb

Come to think of it, the fact they've been just redoing someone else's work already says something about Disney, even if not much.

Seems even book based adaptations are getting screwed up by writers who, probably don't even read the source material.

Haven't watch any of them, for the last 4 years or so but they've been flopping and considered as crap before the strike.

Agreed, somewhat, but this was definitely written at least a year before the strike. 80k a year isn’t that terrible too although if they produce quality then of course should see way more than that. Chalking up a terrible written story to the plight of the strike is over doing it, and mainly has to do with streaming and show writers. And Why write something shite for everyone to see and take a hit to your reputation even if you were paid less than 80k? Disney executives are the problem which everyone can agree on but even the writers they hire are the problem when it comes to quality because the box office bombs just keep going off and they didn’t have an issue some years back with the same conditions.

@@treytilley333 with Hollywood projects like this, especially those that made by Disney, the writers aren't exactly the one doing the "writing". Major decisions had be done with agreement with animators, character designers, market research, marketing executives, songwriters, merchandise, financiers, brand and corporal management. The writers are simply the synthesizers of those ideas and the director is just a plant manager. Not that I think the writers are any good, but blaming the writers in Hollywood are like blaming the cooks for the taste of the fruit in the fruit salad. They don't grow or buy them, they just put them together.

Honestly, this only bolsters the AI suspicions. When all your writers go on strike for months, what better way to keep churning out garbage than to simply have an AI write your script for you until those lazy, selfish writers get off their asses and get back to work!

​@Tawleyn the timeline really doesn't work out for that, this movie wouldve been written well before the strike started. Stuff takes years to go from concept stage to theaters

"But dear child, not every wish needs to be granted. Your grandfather wanted to influence the young generations--and here you are. He made his own wish come true. You are his finest song, his powerful legacy."

I’d be more forgiving if it were a smaller company with a minute budget. No one would care. But this is Disney and even worse their 100th anniversary! Yikes!

Tbh it's consumers who support anything.

@@darkzeroprojects4245 That's why I watched a cam. :)

People can have their own opinions, at least they actually saw it, unlike a lot of the people who are bashing it

The people who say that stuff usually aren’t so bright in the first place. They often aren’t the of deepest thinkers which leads them to be so easily manipulated. It’s not all consumers but you’re totally right that there are too many people who can’t critically think.

Something like Fantasia

wish is special for them

​@@NiaArifah-br6cr for them and nobody else lmao

I think making an anti-fascist movie in these times is bold and a great way to value signal

its so bad that it will be remembered for ages to come

That's so interesting! It shows why story structure and order is so important.

Same goes for the last of us 2, if the game would tell its story chronological, it would have been a way better game.

@@firestorm5371Yeah, the jump back to Abby(?)’s POV was so jarring and weird it threw me out of the story and I never finished the let’s play I was watching because I realized I wouldn’t really see any more of the main character until the end of the complete second half of the game. It was, definitely a choice.

Finally a video of mine seems to be connecting with an audience that cares about musicals! Why won't the youtube algorithm just let me make non-stop Mama Mia Analysis videos :(

Seriously! The use of wishes in Twisted was so well done and there was clearly love put into the creation of the play from everyone involved, from the writers to the actors themselves. Disney should’ve put more care into it.

Seriously twisted was the best Disney musical I've ever seen

Oh man, I don’t know how I didn’t know this was a thing! I have to check it out

SO TRUE

or just stop giving them money

Lmao what are you yapping about. It has nothing to do with "standards". What's the point of lowering standards if the budget is nearly twice as much as their older films? That doesn't even make sense. If they wanted to make a low budget movie then they would just do that. The fact is, it's that they lack talent. You can't even blame Disney as a company any more, the writers themselves are just BAD. They have zero talent or experience. One of the writers for this movie has only ever worked on TV shows made for babies, and another one has never worked on any animation ever. Back in the 90s the writers used to work on comic books, storyboards, screenplays, for years before they were allowed to touch a 200 million dollar production like this. The animation department was always working WITH the writers, instead of now where they are completely separate.

@@amazin7006 Who hires the writers? Do you really think Disney doesn’t know they’re hiring garbage? The budget’s high, but that doesn’t mean they’re not lowering the standard. They’re trying to get consumers comfortable with the slop they can get out of any old writer, because that’s the only part of the process that they have to put effort into any more. For everything else they can just throw money at it.

@@gabhug9338 just read reviews? That, or pirate every new Disney movie. People watching on streaming is exactly what I’m talking about, it’s a lowering of standards in consumers due to the platform. Unsubscribe from Disney+, stop buying cinema tickets, and read reviews to find out how Disney is failing you as a consumer with each new movie. You gotta remember Disney gets the money passively from you being on their streaming platform.

they speak money@@gabhug9338 and be can get change if we speak to them in their language

Ooh is that out? I'll have to check it out. Just watched My Neighbor Totoro for the firs time a couple days ago and loved it

@@TheWritersBlockOfficial That's great! They don't have one single bad movie.

I watched it 2 days ago, I also absolutely loved it. I do kind of wish they'd kept the Japanese name of the movie "How Do You Live?", it feels more expressive than the Boy and the Heron. I'd seriously recommend it to anyone reading.

​@seeyouspacecowboy_909 watch from up on poppy hill or ocean waves. Im a huge ghibli fan and rewatched all the movies and god those are awful.

Ill be honest. I didnt understand the plot of the story but just being in the movie with the animation, world, characters, and music made me enjoy the movie even if i didnt know the story

And you have to go back to the hand-drawn animation era to find Disney’s last villain of color in Dr. Facilier.

Yep. I've noticed this growing up. It's part of why I've become disillusioned to Disney.

I would class Moana and Mirabel as a lil bit more stout than the rest, but I do still agree with your point.

you clearly forget Junglebook or Aladdin

@@SnackAttackJackthey’re both lightskinned though

One could make the argument that authoritarian leaders act in symbolically similar ways. By removing agency of their people, and deciding for them what is good or helpful, and what is selfish or bad. Where this argument appears to fall apart, though, is that this practice is, ostensibly, voluntary. He doesn't have the desire, or power, to grant every wish, but he can remove the feelings of failure and/or the frustration of being unable to achieve your dream from those would couldn't.

Red Scare was one helluva drug, he'd have prolly been called a commie back in the day

The point was supposed to be that he was overly anxious about what could be considered a "threat", so he saw nearly every wish as a potential threat to the kingdom, making him a control freak. To the film's credit Asha, the queen and the citizens try to get through to him but he doubles down and gets worse as the film goes on because he's unable to give up control. It feels like an ironically adequate representation of what happened to this movie. Disney sticking to its rigid formulas instead of letting the creatives on board do something, well, creative, created a technically correct but soul-less product.

And I mean... if you forgot that you wanted something unobtainable, you don't get disappointed when you don't get it, right? At this point, I'd probably hand mine over.

I haven't seen this movie, but from the video I think it's more like: someone wishes that they could fly. The king sees this as an unobtainable wish, so he never grants it. He doesn't realize that this wish that HE sees as unobtainable could he obtainable ie: inventing hot air balloons, jetpacks, airplanes, etc. The moral, I think, is that with enough creativity a wish can come true, even if it seems impossible, and if that is what your heart truly desires, you should go for it even if everyone puts you down for it. And don't put down others for their dreams cuz what seems impossible to you might very well be possible in someone else's hands. Idk if the movie actually goes into all that and shows examples or if that even is the real moral that they're going for.

Anytime

​@@TheWritersBlockOfficial this video aint paying you bills for much longer

What?

Yeah they needed to xcommit to the art style. Its currently too much of a hybrid

My guess is that they do not have anyone in animation who specializes in 2d anymore. All the veterans were outed. 🤷🏻‍♀️ just my take. With films with puss in boots and spiderverse, not even counting animations from japan with a similar hybrid style, theres no excuse for how weird the style looks in this movie. Its like they skipped textures and added cell shading and called it a day

@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Calling it a hybrid is a disservice to films like Spiderverse or Klaus which actually do so. Wish borrows the cell shaded storybook aesthetic from these sorts of films but has very few if any actually 2D elements from what I see of it. The little star guy for example was supposed to be 2D and was 2D in the trailers but now they’re 3D. And the film was supposed to be fully 2D before becoming a hybrid only to end up as what we have now. In a way it’s not enough of a hybrid, and is essentially Disney’s standard 3D fare with a filter slapped on top of it.

@@Dany_lop I believe hand drawn animation is more unionized than CGI animation

​@@TheJadedJamesEx-disney animators have came out and said that they just don't have the tools and production process to make feature-length 2D animation at Disney. They've replaced everything with the 3D process, so now 2D is mainly only being created in their TV animation studio, a studio probably not big enough to make a whole cinematic movie like Disney's main studio would've used to.

Are we then to extrapolate that modern Disney thinks its audience is stupid and unable to figure out what’s happening unless details are force-fed to them?

​@@Ironcabbitconsidering the uptick in tiktoks of someone narrating what is going on in a movie scene or some irl event, yes. Media literacy is dying

@@enyalim1535 HAHA, this reminds me of a short I wasted my time on that basically attempted to "explain" why "variant loki was taken by the TVA" and he plays a small clip from a scene where variant loki mentions being taken by the TVA and then says a bunch of nonsense words, then plays a few seconds BEFORE that scene where the character straight up explains what led to his capture, AND THEN spends another bit of time restating everything he said. The entire comments section was bashing how pointless the short was.

hah fair

That's just what Disney has become, generic and soulless. Movies keep flopping left and right and the popular excuse is the woke garbage and pandering, but the God awful writing is mostly to blame in these cases. Disney isn't trying to make movies that people will want to go back and watch years later anymore, they're making slop that'll sell tickets and toys today because who cares about tomorrow if it isn't profitable?

Someone posted their ChatGPT results in the comments!

@@DrawciaGleam02 "I think AI is very good and that more people should use AI more often in day to day life." -ChatGPT

@@animeisaweapon4208I think its more that if AI had been used it wouldn’t really matter since someone had to look at this thing and think “yeah, we should ship it”

I want to read what it wrote for you!

It's not just executives. Diversity hiring has lead to a lot of their writing staff being out of touch with the general public (or even actively hate men).

or even bloody writing it down??

That might be why Asha knew her grandfather's wish.

Yahhh AI still isn’t good at logic which is pretty funnyyyy

literally even a throwaway explanation of "everyone else forgets it too and it disappears totally" or whatever coulda solved this 💀

to be fair, humans can overlook this too, wish is incredibly generic and soulless, but I've seen human writers do far worse than this, I wouldn't be surprised if this is AI shenanigans, but I also wouldn't be surprised if this is just a first draft and there couldn't be any rewrites due to having a tight schedule

Also that would better integrate the loss of her dad into the movie rather than just seeming plopped

That would've been so simple yet perfectly chilling to add.

The movie opens with a song about how fantastic the kingdom is and they don’t pay rent and the town is clean and they dance around bursting into song spontaneously because of how good it is. Asha saying she wants more for everyone that “this” is pretty malcontented. Who’s she to decide that the town isn’t actually in favor of how they’re ruled when even when her grandfather is asked if he wants to know his wish he said he doesn’t. It’s kind of the same “I decide” mentality that Magnifico has.

Thats rough buddy

@@TheWritersBlockOfficial yeah had this beautiful opening scene written and when I show it to him he told me he wanted it to be edgy and just….idk early 2000’s movie high schoolers vibe with a dash of lame

Boom, a random KZfaq commenter came up with a better plot ! Why do they find it so hard to come up with this ?

NO NO NO A twist that give depth to the story the only twist that should be allowed are the ones for villains

Not a chance they would allow the white man be helpful to the PoC woman, not now anyway. They had to have a puppy kick in the movie to even make Magnifico seem like a bad guy in the first place, they were determined to make him bad.

@@thewallachianbard6975 tbh this is literally bruce allmighty, just animated. he grants all prayers with 1 enter key and has to deal with the shit ppl prayed for the rest of the movie

@@betelgeux6010 Aw I loved that movie as a kid

yep.

And at the end of the day whether or not she accomplishes her goal doesn't matter cuz there's no stakes. The town won't be any worse off than it was. And she isn't risking shit by doing what she's doing. And so therefor we don't care about what she's doing. Wish was just the ennard of Disney movies. A soulless amalgamation of different concepts

This is the thing. Disney needs to commit to one direction or another. They're pissing off Racist people for having diverse characters, but they're angering pro-diversity fans because they're "representation" is so corporate and tokenistic

How did they use white man as a norm??/gen

“Representation that doesn’t challenge the status quo” is a great way of describing it, I think. Gonna have to remember that one

@emblemblade9245 monopolies will ALWAYS be hyper conservative, even if they want to appear progressive. They dont see race or gender. They see consumers

@@TheWritersBlockOfficial When the majority of your company is white liberals whom don’t realize black people fucking hate them-Disney doesn’t realize this.

Well, it wasn't.

@@wwjccsd How do you know?

​@@wwjccsd"nuh-uh"

AI could do that, though, because it would be using training data from screenplays, which DO use words to indicate implied things. It just does so as notes and directions in the script, not dialogue. but GPT would be writing those in still

So what about graphic AI? The real problem with AI is that they lack holistic approach to the problem. And this entire movie is failure of holistic. Like low level scenes work, but not as a whole.

Aw man, that could've made for a really good film. Something worthy of a 100th year celebration. Shame they changed it.

I was so mad when I found out they didn’t go with those plot ideas

@@breadisgood9336real

A macbeth style king-queen villain duo? count me in

They even sell a doll bundle of the king and queen in stores. Rewrites and changes were probably happening even as toys were being made, because there's no reason to sell them in a bundle considering how the story unfolds.

I think that's a really great direction they could have taken! I think Encanto shows how a good/noble motivation can lead to negative outcomes in a community, and they really should have done the same in Wish.

Well, whether u think ur a great writer or not, that’s actually a pretty great take on what they could’ve done with the plot. And actually makes him a more complex character instead of being as 1 dimensional as they wrote him. 🙃🫰

I'm sorry but EATING THE WISHES TO STAY ALIVE!?!?! THATS LIKE, SO DAMN COOL!?!?!?! you definitely have imagination and creativity bc you couldn't pay me to come up with that bc I could never That's honestly very neat! People's wish having this sort of power that give life or extend life, like mother Gothel!

To show you why you're already a better writer than whoever made Wish, we have to examine what made the classic Disney villains so great: their wants were unreasonable and often cruel. Cruella wants to skin puppies. The Evil Queen wants to be the fairest of them all. Scar wants to take over his brother who's an excellent ruler, similar to Ursula and Jaffar. Gaston wants the girl, no matter what. Magnifico wants to keep the status quo in order to protect his country (and his power) from any unseen consequences of a wish. It's not that unreasonable or cruel, right? Living forever is unreasonable, eating wishes is cruel. Your solution is perfect.

Your suggestion totally fits with the classic villain vibes. An alternative I think, if they wanted to stick with the "had good intentions that were corrupted" since they wanted him to be at least somewhat sympathetic given they gave him a backstory where he literally was a hero and founded a country because people love him so much (which we never see anything related to that, we're just told this Shrek style at the beginning of the movie) Have it so Magnifico isn't wrong, some wishes ARE dangerous or bad, and he doesn't grant them for obvious reasons. But he cant destroy them so over time, after hoarding these evil wishes to prevent them from being granted it also corrupts him, and his power comes from a darker and darker place. Contrast that with Star's power coming from a fresh and pure place where he hasn't experienced bad wishes yet, and he just grants all of the wishes he comes across, leading to a confrontation between him and Magnifico who is in a corrupted state of just knowing he needs to stop Star but going way overboard and have Asha be the balance, her seeing it happen makes her realize there's a middle ground that yes not all wishes should be granted, but Magnifico just hiding the wishes wasn't the way to deal with them properly

what is the movie he referenced?

@@B00T987 Oliver Twist

It's really funny that Dreamworks started as a subversion of the usual Disney fare, where things are placed straight, and now it's been flipped to a degree.

That's because conventional storytelling IS subversive new. People are so starved for a good traditional story without a modern twist that it's a breath of fresh air. Traditional is the new subversive.

I enjoyed that movie so much I actually cried during it 😂

@@MRed0135 Puss 2 still had some good twists and turns

i mean... they did turn a park ride of theirs into a movie and released it this year... it bombed though

​@@murciadoxial8056It's not even said ride's first go as a movie. It's reheated leftovers.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@murciadoxial8056 turning a park ride into a movie worked great for them in 2003, though.

THIS ! 1000%

AI probably wrote the rough draft, and since they won’t pay for writers rooms anymore, the junior junior script writers were paid just for punch up, not structural fixes. So the character breaking choices just….stay.

Miramax could’ve already been owned by Disney, even though they credit that as non-Disney platform for movies,

​@@OctopusOwlthe writers room cant exist when theres like 500 shows to write at once. There's literally too much tv and movies being made, that is literally half the problem.

It's astonishing to me how many people haven't yet realized that the soulless corporation that used to be the cheerful company called Disney has long since lost it's magic and replaced all childlike wonder with greed enabled through nostalgia baiting.

I’ve honestly noticed the Disney formula since I was a kid and I find most Disney movies to be boring musicals at this point. There’s definitely exceptions though.

Can you give some examples of movies and games with this plot? The most recent one that comes to mind is Encanto (I know it actually does show the bad stuff, but it counts because of how lively the town is shown at the beginning)

@@100lovenana Okay i maybe shouldn't have phrased it as "ridiculously common" that was stupid of me but there are out there media like that and i swear it's not so rare. There's The Lorax 2012 where in the supposedly terrible post-everything-died future the people are completly fine with their lifes. The Thneedville is "beautiful" and people are litterally dancing and singing there, are fine eating jelly and don't even cares about the whole planting trees thing the main character wants to do so he can score some chick. That movie is so bad. Another movie is the one in the video, Wish. For a game, i'd say Pokémon Sword & Shield did a terrible mistake with their story. The antagonist wants to summon an eldritch horror capable of destroying the world, to harvest it's energy because he's worried that his nation will run out of power ...in approximately 1000 years in the far future.... And the region of course is completly fine. It would've been way better if it was stated they'll run out of power in 100 or 50 years and we saw signs of the people overusing the energy or smth, anything like that. That would at least somewhat explain/validate his concern and desperate plan. I'll try finding more examples...

That's the kicker. Pretty much all large-scale media don't want their big corporate backers to get angry. It's self-censorship for the almighty investors plus merch and ad revenue. That's why if a big corporation is doing bad things in these films/series/games, it's usually just one bad apple and not presented as a systemic issue. I still haven't seen it yet but probably one of the most realistic portrayals I can think of, off the top of my head, is Arcane and as noted, that's more like teen and up than kids. There's usually a sinister solo figure when it comes to younger media.

destroy stable aspect of society 😁

@@j.stanley1669 I was just about to comment on Arcane, haha. Gonna talk about about it here without spoilers in case anyone is interested: While in Arcane you have Piltover, a beautiful and rich city filled with the greatest scientists and literal magic, but also containing a very oppressive and oligarchical government, you also have Zaun, Piltover's underbelly, which is a chaotic and dangerous place, whose citizens are frequently exploited by crime/drug lords and also by Pilties (people from Piltover). The story takes its time to focus on the reality of both these places and deeply explores how they relate to each other. Sometimes its Pilties realizing that Piltover is not as good as they thought. Sometimes its Zaunites realizing that their communities are in dire need of help, and that they're being exploited. The show never says "look how shitty or screwed up this place/situation is" without proving proof first. This, among many other things, is why Arcane is one of my favorite pieces of media world building-wise. Period.

I think this is the most likely reason since this is already what's been happening for a while. Writers make a script and then a mf in a monkey suit and tie comes in like "According to our statistics-☝🤓"

True but the writers in general suck without help in general these days

Exactly. Thank you! (and you can bet the writers were all women!)

@@TheControlBlue Well, that just means the writers received poor direction and didn't have the experience to overcome that. Please don't highlight that they are women as if that's shorthand for something. 🤨

@@Cityweaver It's the truth.

@@TheControlBlue Indeed. Jennifer Lee is a woman. Just like she was a woman when she wrote Frozen, which this video is pointing out she wrote better when she wasn't told to make a generic Everygirl character. 🤨🤣 If the same writer can write a good movie and a bad one, yes, she continues to be a woman regardless.

@@Cityweaver Maybe what it shows is that Frozen was a fluke? There are plenty of examples I could give you to prove my point, but I don't mind you not believing me. Keep observing things and see if what I say is true or not, that simple.