Plan-Setup Spiral Part

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Edge Precision

Edge Precision

7 ай бұрын

A video with more detailed description of the planning and setup of the spiral part in my previous video.

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@MrSolarstu
@MrSolarstu 7 ай бұрын
I am sure Centreline know just how lucky they are to have you working there Peter.Keep up the fantastic work.
@michelrosier468
@michelrosier468 4 ай бұрын
Well that's for sure. Couldn't agree more
@TritonTv69420
@TritonTv69420 7 ай бұрын
I have always enjoyed your videos man. I just got laid off from my aerospace machining job in November. Honestly it feels nice not being pushed to have to make ridiculous tolerance parts. I can respect what you have to figure out man. People who don't program and design fixturing have no clue how much brain power it takes. Hope the new year treats you well!
@Horus9339
@Horus9339 7 ай бұрын
What a great time to be laid off (sarcasm), I really wish you the best of luck in the New Year with finding a job that treats you better than the last. Happy and Healthy New Year to you and yours Sir.
@Ohenry92
@Ohenry92 7 ай бұрын
Sometimes I think about quitting the industry entirely because of this fact. So much technical knowledge is required to make a good part and a lot of times we are responsible for the whole process start to finish. All for relatively low pay in my opinion.
@Juxtaposed1Nmotion
@Juxtaposed1Nmotion 5 ай бұрын
you got laid off from an aerospace place during wartime? either you suck or you got replaced by a cheaper employee
@Horus9339
@Horus9339 5 ай бұрын
@@Juxtaposed1Nmotion First off when is the US not at war, secondly it has nothing to do with little old rude you. Learn a little respect son, talk to people how you would if you met them face to face. Have a great day.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 7 ай бұрын
These type of videos are the ones I love to watch because they're the best ones on KZfaq imo about how to actually approach difficult parts and common issues in a normal machining environment instead of having all the issues made up or having some unrealistic way to do things. Keep up the great work can't wait to see what's next
@toddpeterson7316
@toddpeterson7316 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the masterclass Peter, this should be required watching for any engineer!
@levitated-pit
@levitated-pit 7 ай бұрын
you sir are an artist! we dont care what the part is, we enjoy the process and the the result.
@AbbeyRoad69147
@AbbeyRoad69147 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for explaning that. Myself I appreciate the clarity.
@anderswegge6828
@anderswegge6828 7 ай бұрын
Stefan Gotteswinter usually describe parts, that he cannot go into details about as Flux capacitor components. This one is clearly a flux capacitor stirring rod. Also, thank you for spending the time on telling us the details.
@akfarmboy49
@akfarmboy49 7 ай бұрын
I’ve been a machinist for 40 years and I’m still in the trade. I make odd ball parts. Your parts are a little big more complex. Some times I design the whole assembly and I go in the field and run it or assemble it this has taken me to Antarctica 16 times. I do really enjoy your videos and I learn. I miss your videos and 2 guys in California that made excellent machinist videos seemed to have stopped. I’ll still watch your videos that you make in your home shop.
@jasonhill2180
@jasonhill2180 7 ай бұрын
This makes me a bit sad. You've been an excellent teacher, and it seems to be coming to a conclusion, at least for this type of work. I worked for a patternmaker years ago, and when he finally sold his shop, I felt the same way. Anyway, it was time, and that's the way things go. I'll certainly keep watching whatever you can share. Thanks for everything!
@465maltbie
@465maltbie 7 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that you took the time to post this information. I can imagine how hard it must be to quote something like this. To figure out how much time you would need to plan and program the part. Estimating the tools to make and which steps to take first to last. Not to mention the fixtures and components. I have had issues with solid models like that myself. The engineer doesnt know how to draw the features so he just leaves a note on the drawing and then expects you to figure it out. ( for the missing radius on the flights of the barrel. ) Charles
@Ohenry92
@Ohenry92 7 ай бұрын
There is such a razors edge of profit/loss when quoting jobs like this. Even if you do win the job you always ask yourself if you should have asked for more. It's a torturous experience.
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 7 ай бұрын
I'm not a CNC machinist, not even a "real" machinist, just a hobbyist, but I find your videos, although at times over my head, still entertaining and fascinating.
@kennethandersson991
@kennethandersson991 7 ай бұрын
Wow, l’m really impressed, as a rookie struggling to make more than one decent 1” hole 2,5” deep in 4340 steel with a carbide boring bar! First piece made great surface, the following pieces started screaming like crazy, speed, feed, clamping force, praying, nothing helped. 24” deep intermittent cut in a tuning fork with good surface finish has to be some kind of new record… Happy new year Peter, thanks for sharing your thoughts and expert knowledge.
@paulhammond7489
@paulhammond7489 7 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed listening to the thoughts behind the set up and machining processes and particularly the supplied model and the errors it had. Also glad you explained the reduction in content from your channel. I for one will continue to follow your content wherever it comes from, be it the company that bought your machines, your home garage or a future set up south of the border after you retire.
@mp6756
@mp6756 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate you letting the engineers of the world know how the little extra surfaces they sometimes leave behind can cause real headaches for software downstream. We have one customer whose engineering department has a horrible track record of such errors. It really eats up time trying to manipulate our software to get a clean tool path on surfaces when working on anything with complex features. Great video. Thanks for taking the time.
@taylorlooney1
@taylorlooney1 7 ай бұрын
Peter thank you for allowing us to look over a Masters' shoulder.
@Cmtb125
@Cmtb125 6 ай бұрын
We will keep watching. Whatever you upload , I’m sure , will be very entertaining and also informative. I am a CNC machinist as well. Not nearly as advanced. Still sort of new. In my 4th year and loving every minute.
@Marmellata88
@Marmellata88 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the time you took to make this video and share your experience and knowledge about your job. It’s really a gift for someone like me who wants to learn. Take care and have a great end of the year
@alex_yates
@alex_yates 7 ай бұрын
You're an angel for fixing their CAD model for them. I send anything like that back... I'll make simple edits, but nothing like that. As ever, thank you for sharing your work and your wisdom 🙂
@Ujeb08
@Ujeb08 7 ай бұрын
this was a very important video for most of us viewers because speaking for myself, I didn't totally understand what was going on during the machining of the part. It also showed us how much more difficult it was to anticipate and plan for potential problems. I think this video along with the machining would be a great teaching aid for both advanced machining and mechanical engineering students. In fact most of your complicated jobs could be used to teach manufacturing engineering! Thanks for sharing.
@pkav8tor
@pkav8tor 7 ай бұрын
Once again, making amazing parts from solid. Thank you for sharing your work. Reminds me of a soft serve ice cream auger, only on steroids!
@peterdupont7559
@peterdupont7559 7 ай бұрын
YES, THANKS, WE ARE INTERESTED. HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR FROM DENMARK.
@ronaldhill7180
@ronaldhill7180 7 ай бұрын
You're on another level. I appreciate what you can share.
@tansit2344
@tansit2344 7 ай бұрын
I always appreciate your deep dive videos and as another lonely Esprit user that's plenty CAM detail you've shown. Great planning, I probably would have done much the same - who knows if there is another batch and different heat of those maybe that 50 thou and jack would be needed.
@brianbob7514
@brianbob7514 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for all that you give us. Any content you can provide is great !
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the insight into modeling parts versus delivering usable content to the machinist in your life.
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 7 ай бұрын
Peter, a well deserved retirement is starting to take form . I'm really happy for that. Probably you'll make more content , even from Mexico , but it's not wrong to enjoy a little peace . These videos are a gift to machinist around the world. I'm just a bit sad that i've never seen an apprentice . ps.: as i told you some years ago , i would love to come work for you - of course this is just fantasy . Thanks for the update and happy new year.
@abrahambaeza5063
@abrahambaeza5063 7 ай бұрын
Nice work. You are a hell of a machinist.
@peterjensen6233
@peterjensen6233 7 ай бұрын
I love it when engineers are too lazy to finish or clean up a model. “Yea, just add the radius on that helical intersection, you don’t mind??”
@bigbird2100
@bigbird2100 7 ай бұрын
Great video 👍 Sure designer's of these part's watch and hopefully learn how to better design their part's.
@eddie5556
@eddie5556 7 ай бұрын
I don't think they will, but we can hope.
@podfuk
@podfuk 6 ай бұрын
Thank ou for the commentary Peter. I am general public viewer but I enjoyed every video you ever made.
@natebrown5588
@natebrown5588 7 ай бұрын
I am so surprised the part did not spring when u cut the tabs. Whew! Wrap milling with Esprit is pretty amazing it works very well on a straight 4 axis machine if you have a good model (native to your software if u are lucky) to get the chain features / free form features from. The drawing notation to "machine from solid model" is pure laziness, then just add crappy solid model from the customer to top it off. Great job Peter very impressive.
@TutorialBaker
@TutorialBaker 7 ай бұрын
AMAZING! I'm a machinist myself and use esprit TNG to program different kind of machines. I've watched almost every video You made and everytime learned something new! THANK YOU!
@Onerouss
@Onerouss 7 ай бұрын
As always, love seeing how you solve problems machining these complex parts - thanks for sharing!
@billdlv
@billdlv 7 ай бұрын
Great job Peter, looking forward to your camera housing design for your DJI.
@purerhodium
@purerhodium 7 ай бұрын
I did wonder why you didn't turn the OD of the spirals. Thanks for the video, and thanks for the update!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
Because they aren’t round. So the couldn’t be done that way.
@rexmundi8154
@rexmundi8154 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate you taking the time to make this breakdown. Fortunately I have a pretty good relationship with our engineers and I can push back some on their designs. It really helps when you know what a feature’s purpose is so you can know how seriously to treat it. I feel like we might be in the same boat retirement wise, I’m pretty burned out but there is practically no one with experience available who can take over the shop when I leave so I’d be really hurting the company if I went. I think a lot of machinists approaching retirement are in this boat. I already have a garage shop set up for my post retirement.
@95dodgev10
@95dodgev10 7 ай бұрын
Glad to have you back. I've learned a ton of techniques and concepts from your videos and have really enjoyed the type of work you do.
@dean1841
@dean1841 Ай бұрын
You are a legend Peter!!!!
@paulmace7910
@paulmace7910 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Peter. Good luck at being an employee. Hope the hotel in Mexico is going well.
@WilliamPayneNZ
@WilliamPayneNZ 7 ай бұрын
What ever you wind up doing, it has been an absolute pleasure to watch all your videos. I know you did a "getting started" video early on but it would be fascinating to hear a longer more detailed story of your machining career. I would love to hear about when you worked for that NASA contractor.
@EdJratNight
@EdJratNight 7 ай бұрын
It's obvious that it is some sort of pump. Not sure why they are so secretive. I learned a long time ago, if you think of it, a bunch of other people have as well. Not sure you should have sold your entire shop to this company but you have to live with that choice.
@jasonruch3529
@jasonruch3529 7 ай бұрын
Wow that (silent) bar is worth its wieght in gold!! Haha. The fact you can automatically change 26inch long tools in that machine is crazy!! (I can only do 19.25" in our Cincinnati horizontal) 😊 GREAT JOB!!! BEAUTIFUL PART!!! 😊😊
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
It won’t change that long of tool. It is also limited to a 19.5” long tool in the changer. I have to manually mount a tool that long.
@brianbures4478
@brianbures4478 7 ай бұрын
I always enjoy your videos Peter your knowledge is amazing. Please keep making videos!!!
@hankbauer9121
@hankbauer9121 7 ай бұрын
Peter, you always amaze me. Excellent work.
@DruBrawler
@DruBrawler 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Peter. Happy new year and good luck!
@santiagokof
@santiagokof 7 ай бұрын
You are worth what you are getting paid and even more. What machinist...
@ianpendlebury3704
@ianpendlebury3704 7 ай бұрын
Fascinating - as always. I hope that you can find a way to continue making videos wherever you are. Best wishes for 2024.
@PatrickHoodDaniel
@PatrickHoodDaniel 7 ай бұрын
For me, this would be a "white knuckle" experience! My hat is off to you!! You have to wonder if the square hole is really needed. The sharp inside corners will introduce stress corners, and it increases the cost of the part. I would love to know how that feature is used.
@martin32238
@martin32238 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos. It does not matter what kind of detail it is, what it is called and where it is used. What matters is how you made it, what kind of equipment and tools you used.
@larryblount3358
@larryblount3358 7 ай бұрын
You are an artist! Thank you for the set screw explanation!
@RA36912
@RA36912 7 ай бұрын
Good approach as always remaining vigilant, happy new year
@rowycoracing
@rowycoracing 7 ай бұрын
Good stuff! Thanks for posting the explanation of your planning and thought process.
@waf3I
@waf3I 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Peter
@NickRno77
@NickRno77 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Happy Christmas 🎉
@enriquedemaria5071
@enriquedemaria5071 7 ай бұрын
Un saludo desde León Gto . México aquí te esperamos con los brazos abiertos .toda tu experiencia y humildad hacen de tu trabajo el mejor cotizado.no tienes que preocuparse por jale y materia prima trae la Mazack. Hasta puedes dar clases . saludos aveces la burocracia en el trabajo hace que tomes decisiones difíciles.
@chrisneale7453
@chrisneale7453 7 ай бұрын
A fascinating video as always Peter thanks for taking the time to make it. Have a great new year.
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining 7 ай бұрын
good video Peter..thanks for your time
@manbal5879
@manbal5879 7 ай бұрын
Keep up the great work can't wait to see what's next🏆
@user-kh3qg8bz2m
@user-kh3qg8bz2m 7 ай бұрын
Здравствуйте.Нравятся ваши видео. Желаю крепкого здоровья и благополучия в Новом Году!!!
@mpower1956
@mpower1956 7 ай бұрын
Thank you sir, your content has surely helped me in my CNC work! Have a great New Year!
@tedsaylor6016
@tedsaylor6016 7 ай бұрын
The parts are Bells for a Japanese Shrine, they only want the best! Peter your knowledge and approach to problems will be missed.
@Horus9339
@Horus9339 7 ай бұрын
Once again a thoroughly informative video with some beautifully machined parts. Happy and Healthy New Year to you and yours.
@CAMER_21
@CAMER_21 7 ай бұрын
vooooo great video and so much detailed video thank for video ..... upload more and more ...thanks
@GroovyVideo2
@GroovyVideo2 7 ай бұрын
Try a Inversion table for your back - Made Huge difference in my back pain
@jacobm2625
@jacobm2625 7 ай бұрын
I’ve personally found psoas muscle stretches to help immensely with my low back pain. Just thought I’d throw my 2¢ in.
@_domlnlk_
@_domlnlk_ 7 ай бұрын
thx 4 showing ... really nice
@DanielPerez-bn9bi
@DanielPerez-bn9bi 7 ай бұрын
Interesting part Peter.
@crumplezone1
@crumplezone1 3 ай бұрын
I am a hard man to impress but you impress me very much Peter
@jamessimon9150
@jamessimon9150 7 ай бұрын
I'm so happy he's back
@PraxZimmerman
@PraxZimmerman 7 ай бұрын
Personally, I'd love seeing you make videos in any hobby. Get into hydroponics? Hell yeah. Slot car racing? Lemme see whatchu got. Minecraft let's play? Instant subscribe.
@MillVIPCNC
@MillVIPCNC 7 ай бұрын
Great job!!
@azul3404
@azul3404 7 ай бұрын
Nice video Edge, keep it up. I used to live in Htown my parents and brothers still live there. Great video
@nithinas9140
@nithinas9140 7 ай бұрын
Great work.... please do more videos..
@petruciucur
@petruciucur 7 ай бұрын
You're an amazing specialist
@MXstar189
@MXstar189 7 ай бұрын
its a part that we make from the print 😉and its the print that decides if we just made scrap
@davidcashin9194
@davidcashin9194 7 ай бұрын
Hi Peter now we know why I have not seen to many videos always a problem when working for someone anyway look forward to perhaps some videos from the home shop and your move to Mexico.
@seansmith4886
@seansmith4886 7 ай бұрын
Would love to see the programming side of the CAM that you mentioned you should leave out. A full CAM overview on this part would be really insightful for some of us who program B axis mill turns. There are a million different ways to skin the same cat so to speak when programming mill turns.
@vizibug
@vizibug 7 ай бұрын
them big spiral flutes probably act as sort of a set of gussets..making it more rigid?. stopping any distortion?.
@johnhansen1684
@johnhansen1684 7 ай бұрын
I wish Titan could get you a new machine. Titan has cool showpice cnc videos but not real videos like this
@Videowatcher2.0
@Videowatcher2.0 7 ай бұрын
Always grateful for the videos,Any update on villa
@Tadesan
@Tadesan 7 ай бұрын
They look like auger mixer blades.
@floridanick
@floridanick 7 ай бұрын
Amazing work 😮
@BrotherCreamy
@BrotherCreamy 7 ай бұрын
With that set screw, could you just make a pin that fits the tap drill diameter of the threaded hole? So that the pin bears against the cylindrical ID of the threads?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
Yes that could work. But there would still have to be a way to hold them in. And get them in and out.
@sunildakare4712
@sunildakare4712 7 ай бұрын
Great works share more videos ❤
@revolveperformance
@revolveperformance 3 ай бұрын
Hi Peter, how will you feel working with lesser capable machines in your garage. You're a god with that Integrex. Im thinking you need something with similar capabilities, but maybe not that big. Love the videos. I feel restrained working with my VF2, but at the same time it forces me to be creative.
@shanesrshanejr24
@shanesrshanejr24 7 ай бұрын
I love Mazaks. What kind do you have sir ? Also great work and super cool video. Your highly intelligent
@pointdexter10
@pointdexter10 7 ай бұрын
I'd someone asked why you did what you did they have no business making comments this is straight up engineering
@gredangeo
@gredangeo 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Not being able to post everything that you want, is bit of a "Suffering from success" deal, with this channel. Too many views/subscribers, too much attention. Either way. The stuff you have posted, have been amazing, and any kind of future stuff that you can post, will surely still be amazing.
@ronnybe7994
@ronnybe7994 7 ай бұрын
I'm guessing you're going to put a rapidly spinning glass in front of the camera lens
@nothing2loud
@nothing2loud 7 ай бұрын
Peter I don’t run cnc or cad but could watch you work all day. Thanks for sharing, very interesting. PS did you ever do anything with the little anvel you talked about doing a giveaway with.
@AraCarrano
@AraCarrano 7 ай бұрын
Happy New Year
@tomazbeg1999
@tomazbeg1999 7 ай бұрын
Thanks ❤️✌️
@eddie5556
@eddie5556 7 ай бұрын
Peter, did you notice any variation in the bore diameter just after the transition from the aluminum spacer to this stainless? I'm curious if it acted like an interrupted cut and caused the amount of deflection to vary it a little bit.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
At the tolerances I was dealing with where (+-.005”). I wasn’t to concerned with this. I also took many spring passes with the bar. The tool wasn’t cutting into the aluminum spacer. It was below the surface of the bore. So I wasn’t measuring it to .0001”. At those tolerances it may show up. I didn’t check it that close.
@josefnozka6202
@josefnozka6202 7 ай бұрын
.. sehr interessante Arbeit 👏🏻👏🏻, CzechTrade ✋
@93Martin
@93Martin 7 ай бұрын
How has Centerline benefited from you doing these videos? Was there a dispute that the videos were able to resolve? Did the videos bring them new business? I always got the impression that you were walking on eggshells to record your work. Reminds me of Abom79 back in the days before he went to work for himself. I appreciate you sharing this with us. I was pretty bored watching the last video, but to see this puts it all into perspective and makes it interesting for me.
@Cheeta666
@Cheeta666 7 ай бұрын
Great video Peter, did you have the post professor supplied by the Cam software or you had to do it yourself?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
The Esprit people make the post for your specific machine and machine model for the simulation. Both have to work together to process code with Esprit TNG. There is really no way to make your own with Esprit TNG. With the older Esprit you could edit your own but you don’t have as accurate simulation.
@Martin-ef4xh
@Martin-ef4xh 7 ай бұрын
Engineers are weird like this sometimes. OK, A LOT of the times! I see them all the time, "machine to model" then there are details that they missed. Then it turns into a "well, can't you fix the model?". Sorry bud, you designed it, you fix it. We charge $400/hr to fix models. You still want us to fix it? With that, I feel for ya'! Great channel, but please keep posting when possible. And remember the ole sayin'. "Machinists', because engineers need heros too!"
@Alexander-nz1dz
@Alexander-nz1dz 7 ай бұрын
ahhh yes, I've adminned CAD software for companies before. drives me up the wall seeing STEP/IGES gremlins in exports because I know it drives machinists insane. if there's a 0.001 gap in the part and the tolerance is a 0.001 profile tolerance, wuzzat supposed to look like?? but not every company has a export sanitizer step or role to handle bs like this (that the engineer probably doesn't even know is going on). I feel like these "machine to the CAD" scenarios are only efficient if over time you develop a solid agreement with the client on CAD export standards. kinda requires the talking parties on both sides to know what they're talking about though. I guarantee in the CAD it looks "perfect", but when you bump it out to STEP/IGES it does this because it's not actually perfectly perfect. granted, some manufacturing centers seem to be driving towards CAM right out of the CAD tool (eg NX) which sometimes avoids this if the formats are all native.
@ke6gwf
@ke6gwf 7 ай бұрын
I don't know what that part is supposed to be for, but it looks like the flutes may be to clear material away from where the square hole is. Or maybe to draw material in to where the square hole is? Lol
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 7 ай бұрын
Those silent bars really seem to work but man thousands of dollars for one bar to use maybe once a year is hard to justify for me.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 7 ай бұрын
Yes the Sandvik brand are the best I have used. I purchased this bar on a big job so that paid for it. It’s one of those things where it’s expensive in the beginning. But once you have it. The time it saves later is really worth it. This bore with its intermittent cut would be a pain with a plain steel bar.
@brianbob7514
@brianbob7514 7 ай бұрын
Seems impossible that part didn’t move when you split it.
@akfarmboy49
@akfarmboy49 7 ай бұрын
I agree
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