Absolutely. Long overdue

There's a pretty large difference in how the TM40 and OP Cores position the valve sensing head relative to the guide. That's likely accountable for the difference.

yes!

I agree. ;)

I third this

I wonder if that kit was to just generate money

@@nextgenflipper Nope.

The cs2 and 170r have almost the same bolt. It won't change.

Sorry about that, wish we could play God and stop the wind

It is a nice improvement, buts it far from the claimed 20% efficiency...

The results will vary from test to test. I have seen another test and they did see a 20% increase.

@@adamfugate2326 Care to share where your other source? So far Punisher's test has been the most conclusive efficiency test. Everything else being equal except the marker, its the closest apples to apples test I have seen.

Yes, this is great test. However, it's only one test. Do you think PE only did one test before making that claim?Look around on facebook groups you can find people posting shot counts in side by side comparisons. There is no video evidence so take it for what it is.

@@adamfugate2326 Can you link me to that test please?

Laughs in shocker amp going down 3-4 times in those 1800 shots 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Laughs in PE reliability

@@askloglog giggles in explain geo4 existence, lv2 pressure drops, and cs2 props snapping off in drivetrain

After my cs2 decided to go down and blend paint in back to back tournaments I couldn’t trust it again.

@@sherbert23 what's wrong with the geo? Lol

Jack said its 25% better efficiency and in this video it was only 8.6% more efficient.

@@dehydratedwat3rgo to the product site - 20% is claimed in ink.

@@axledog7297 Which seems to be a lie...Everyone across the board is not getting a 20% increase in efficiency. Everyone is saying maybe 9%.

@@SuperNaughtyKat That's how variables work. Blankly stating "20%" on the site wasn't bright of PE, but it also doesn't mean it's out of the question for an average user to see those results, pending variables are kept in check. A friend of mine performed a relatively controlled testing with as many variables accounted for as possible and saw an almost exact 20% improvement over his CS2. So, it's possible. I also see some room for improvement in the OP Core, but I don't expect many to tinker with it. My modified GP is over 20% more efficient than the stock system. ;)

@@axledog7297 nice! This is my very first high end marker so I need to learn a bit more about how the marker works and settings and efficiency and stuff

That does not matter in this case.

Etha

Etha 2

Etha 2. When i started playing paintball ive got empire axe2.0 they only thing i hate about empire is that lots of maintening lots of adjustment in order to shot right. Then i got etha 2, 170r, geo4 and cs2 easy to maintain Works everytime.

68*

It doesn't matter, guns have reached maximum efficiency and the highest level of functionality so the " new " models have very little to offer as far as big changes so these little changes are hyped up to seem like a big deal when they are mostly meaningless. Pair that with the lackluster mill job this thing was most likely released just to keep the price point high and close to 2 grand .

Air efficiency means you can get more paint out with the same amount of air. This is important for those that play speedball considering they're usually constantly throwing paint down field. If you play woodsball, it might not be as important unless you need to be able to sling a ton of paint (ie you're defending an objective from attackers or something)

It may not matter too much, with air stations readily available, especially in tournament settings. Until the tournament air systems go down mid event. Efficiency starts to matter when you're only getting a 2 or 3k fill

Efficiency may not matter that much but when air stations go down during a tournament it's definitely beneficial to be shooting a more efficient gun. Being able to shoot 8 pods off of a 3k fill vs 6 pods means I can continue shooting lanes while you're one balling and hoping to shoot cross field

Used Shocker Amp, or cop a used Geo 3.5. You’ll be thrilled with either choice brother, and both are EXTREMELY user friendly & easy to service 🤘. By going used you’ll also have some extra $ for any upgrades or tank & loader. Enjoy man!

Etha3 is all you'll ever need.

Depends, is that a full setup for 500-700 or just the marker alone for 500-700? Setup I'd go with a mask that fits your face comfortably. Hopefully you have a pro shop around you to try on different masks, but basically any mask you see 95% of the paintball population wearing will be good. If you can try them before you buy them because the worst thing to have is an uncomfortable mask (for me KLR's hug my nose weird and I can't really breathe out of them) and that's just me. Never skimp out on a mask. Secondly, your tank. Good way to have a comfortable fit is to bend your arm 90 degrees, place a tank on your bicep, then measure the reg to your palm. The top of the reg (below the bonnet screw) should be about at your palm. Obviously if you want to have a bigger/smaller tank go for it, but this will give you the most comfortable feel. If you can get a 4500 PSI tank, and ensure the date gives you 5 years (relatively) of hydro. 3rd is the hopper, I personally can't find anything wrong with a spire IR2, if needed you can add a spring ramp, speed feed and the N-charge kit but honestly you don't need anything else if you rather just go bare bones on it. Every hopper is going to feed well, every hopper jams, it's paintball. I just would personally recommend this one from my own experience. Finally, the marker. Seeing as you have spent about at least 400-500, you don't have much left, and the only reliable marker I could see being offered down in this price is a EMEK/ETHA2. One is mechanical, one is electronic, but both operate on one of the best drive trains ever created in paintball in the last decade at least. They are simple to use and costumer service under Eclipse is the best you can ever recieve no matter where you are. The Facebook group for PE tech help is the place to be for any tech needs and are consistently answering and helping to repair any downed marker for their customer's sake (if yours would even go down in the first place). The rest is up to you, buy pants, pads, pod pack, head wrap, head bands, etc at your own expense, there is no right or wrong answer really.

@@MikeGeeezyy I’d stay away from the 3.5 at this point. A lot of people are going to find that gun too small by todays standards and the majority of examples are pretty beat up at this point. When you do find a clean example people think they have some magic unicorn and overprice them. Great marker for it’s day but there are better options now.

@@MK4vDubbin 160R then?

Hey man I’m a huge fan of PE but I’m not going to simp for them when they have clearly underdelivered on this marker.

@@MK4vDubbin Have you held one or shot one? It's pretty hard to say that they underdelivered when they improved on an already fantastic platform. One test that fell short by a single pod is not conclusive enough data.

Are you sure? We have sound

@@PunishersPaintball I've got it now, but I tried 6 or 7 times before it worked.

@@PunishersPaintball forsure there is sound.

I mean no one’s forcing you to watch!

@@PunishersPaintball oh no ive been waiting for younguys to do one. I find you guys to be the most transparent. None of the factors in asked about would get the cs3 to the 20% mark they advertised. I just dont want this to make you have to make a new video like ans had to do.

@@zedthemexicanmadman9542 appreciate it. We tried to be as thorough as possible. But no, not a full 20% but still pretty dang efficient

@@PunishersPaintball honestly as this point most markers shoot mire paint then most people take out with them. I feel paint handeling is more important. Which it seems to be doing amazing with. I think PE just has to come out and take the L and focus on the paint handeling and it will restore faith in them. But regardless keep up the good work.

That doesn't matter in the CS3, as it uses the new open faced soft tip. This tip is backwards compatible with any IV or Gamma ST bolts.