Alex, your experience with Q & E is one we have herd many times, but you should seriously consider Buteline, 85% of installers tell us Buteline is quicker to install than push fit in a 1st fix environment, there are additional time savings to be had on clipping and testing too, which is only done once and for 30 minutes! As competitive as Push fit, an installation friendly process, it never leaks, completely secure, bomb proof joint that's not reliant on an "O" Ring or insert! Free tools to new users and it available via one of your chosen merchant suppliers send us your contact details and we will come and see you, as seeing is believing :-)

ButelineUK Ltd Just watched the plumberparts video re your product. Very interested in placing an order. Could you let me know if the free tools offer is still in place?. About to start 2 bathroom refits and would love to give your products a try.

Craig Smith give us a call and we will sort it out for you 👍

Hi Zed Man, you assume correct, our pipe is more flexible, and in some instances could allow you to use upto 20% less fittings . The system cost also works out cheaper than push fit, but seeing is believing, provide us with your contact details and your location and we will get one of our guys to touch base with you and discuss some free tooling for you.

why would you question them? they look fine..

i watch a few american plumbers and they love this kinda stuff.. but the americans are about 20 years behind us on plumbing.. they still use boilers the size of a car to heat there house and hot water heaters.. oil fired cast iron boilers and some places use condensate plastic glued fittings as water supplys......... i dont like this system. imagine going to do a repair on this under a bath.

The American system is completely different 👍

allanpennington we make this pre lagged too 👍

In New Zealand our Standards say to use 15mm for basins and 20mm to shower and bath in low pressure system; and to use 10mm for basins, 15mm for baths and 20mm to shower in Mains pressure systems. This is based on max pipe lengths of 20 meters.

Paul Capel if in the unlikely event you hadn't fully clamped a joint, you can re-clamp again in the same place 👍

"All pipes ar going to be insulated"

Hi Joe, send us your contact details and location and we will arrange for someone to make contact with you and arrange free tooling on your behalf via your chosen merchant route :-)

ButelineUK Ltd hi thanks its joe_turner_2303@hotmail.com. Wolverhampton area thanks

barneyfilm85 . We Australians consider this buteline, absolute crap. Rehau is far superior.. I agree about the copper. Some of the younger plumbers I supervise, have no idea about welding copper. Use copper B press for every thing.

David Pawson I really don't get the advantage of this press fit stuff requiring clamping, over speed fit, polypipe, hep. And what's with the bastard size "16mm". Push fit ( touch wood) has never let me down

Tom Strutton yorkshire xpress uses 15mm copper not butlines 16mm plastic. I find advantage of xpress copper 1. no hot work permits 2. speed of installing. I save on average 1hour on a boiler swap 3. no flux 4. can crimp directly onto chrome pipe no need to take chrome off. 5. If you forget to crimp a joint you don't need to drain system 6. Can crimp onto old pipe no need to wire wool 7. Its a little bit cheaper than speed fit 8. Looks a lot more professional than speed fit 9. My work is recognisable. I dont solder any more. If someone put my name to someone else's dodgy work and its soldered it isnt my work

From a thermal efficiency any plastic pipe is much better than copper even without any insulation. it's cheaper too!

push fit is DIY tonk..................I'll leave that shit to the Polish or DIYers. barrier pipe is great, but as long as you use compression or this stuff

another advantage is, copper will split on the first freeze, barrier has give and they say it can be froze 6 times before it splits. yet to see any splits on barrier that hasn't been insulated yet tho

David Smith they do make a compression coupling too

Compression fittings are available 👍

The internal bore size of our fittings are slightly larger than a pushfit style fitting after the pipe has been inserted into the fitting and an insert used, remember Buteline is an internally sealing system that requires no inserts nor does it have any 'O' Rings, the Buteline fitting also has a defined chamfer design on the inside of the fitting tail that promotes the increased flow of water. In general, but mainly down to the increased flexibility of our pipe, the flow rates achieved using the Buteline system are greater than other systems.

Women love him too.

Fiona Gregory housewives favourite.

now you mention it , yeah wats up with that

Cause in the future copper will disappear, especially for drinking water, and any plumber will have to learn and use this new system, like the rest of the world has already been doing for the last 10 years, but England of course is always the last one to adapt. We still have hot and cold water coming from different taps or from the same tap but to be adjusted singularly by the user unlike the rest of the world has been using a single lever mixing cartridge for at least 20 years by now. We need to evolve and upgrade not the opposite.

@@antoniogalluccio4213 I disagree, copper has withstood the test of time, plastic is yet to be tested to that extent. Just a rubber o-ring to seal a joint that will have its temperature as high as 80 degrease and then back down again to around 20 again. expanding and contracting the plastic pipe constantly is going to put so much strain on just that rubber o-ring...... I’m not to convinced my self. P.S Moved from London to Australia in 2019, worked as a plumber on plenty of building sites so far, all off them favouring copper.

Yes they do

Link me up please :)

Check out their product catalogue www.buteline.com/showfile.php?downloadid=226

vImprOv yes it does, would you like to have a go and see for yourself?

Urwa Yusuf does your combi boiler have a anti-water hammer fitted?

Harry Wooldridge I don’t think so.

Hi....Our Elbowed soldering tails are manufactured with virtually the same internal radiuses as end feed, and the extremely flexible Buteline pipe will allow you to greatly reduce the overall use of restrictive fitting's and thus will create more "sweeps" in pipe. More sweeps, less fittings, less fittings means greater flow rates and increased efficiency in the delivery of water at its destination, making heating & hot water systems more cheaper to run.

Can you send me some info on the free tools for spending over 300 quid please? Will

Hi Will if you can provide us with your contact details and your location and we will get one of our guys to touch base with you and discuss some free tooling for you.

ButelineUK could you please send me some info on the free tools on spending more than £300 please

PB is not PEX. Complete different chemistry. Get you facts straight before you recommend this crap.

Fionnan O Brien I bet you're a laugh on a night out! No air lock btw and insane pressure on all outlets. Totally fine.

I love the videos on plumbing disasters. Some of that shit is shocking. I peed a little bit one day at one of the photos you showed. Aww man...... I should have fitted a safety valve to my Stopcock. Keep em coming James. Hold tight buddy.

We make this pre lagged too 👍

why would you get airlocks ? do you put a laser level on all your copper through joists? you hardly ever get airlocks on sealed systems. even if you did, turn off some upstairs rads till the pump clears it. plastic doesn't creak as it expands very little compared to copper. less resistance due to less tight bends and less fittings, you should try it before slagging it off.

robert Griffiths you can dry fit this system in case of a mistake etc and once you are happy then clamp. Same as solvent weld before you glue.

get u mate. end of the day what are we saying better than copper?

robert Griffiths joints are stronger and far quicker to install. Would still go copper tails where it is visible though.

this many advantages over copper, cheaper, faster, less joints, slow sweeping bends (so less resistance) cleaner, less thermal conductivity (less heat loss and lower risk of legionnaires) easy to pull through joists ( nightmare with copper). won't split when froze. wont suffer electrolitic corrosion when pipes touch, wont corrode from cement, no pipes knocking from heat expansion, no water hammer. disavantages, joints more expensive, doesn't look as neat as copper when run visibly ( I always use copper or chrome tails). cant run on flow or return directly on boiler. obviously cant be used for gas, possibility of mice chewing it, although I've never seen it. and gives the sparkie a headache when fitting the earth on the incoming main. that's all I can think of off the top of my head. this stuff will NEVER replace copper, but its awesome for running under floors, as long as you don't use pushfit, that stuff is cowboy dogshit

@@davelaye7003 Dave Laye Excellent information which I found more informative than this video itself. You say push fitting is bad but what's the alternative? Compression fittings? Thanks

don't worry...the mice will nibble holes in them before they get brittle.

@@lapisredux - I worry about that too! It seems insane to create a nice warm, nibbly place for mice to bed down. But then again my rubber electric cables seem to have escaped that fate (or there’s a lot of fried mice down there).

@@Benzknees mice can sense water and if it's inside a nice chewy plastic pipe and they're feeling thirsty............

@@lapisredux - Haha, which they will be after a nice meal of pasta shaped arsenic.

Edvinas Narijauskas they do conversions with compression fittings too. 👍

Hi Brendan, your would be right in concluding the most effect use of Buteline would be in a 1st fix environment hands down, this is what our customers tell us. No real system provides a "one size fits all" solution and there are times where getting your hands in a gap with a pushfit fitting suits, but that's if you happy with the security of "O" ring based systems? our systems is fitted slightly differently to other systems as its permanent, so like copper, in hard to get to areas where you may choose to "pre fab" first or alternatively use the flexibility of our pipe to clamp outside and push it back in, a little bit difficult to explain over text.

Brendan Fisher The

if a plumber is fitting Pushfit under a floor....he ain't a plumber

Hep2o everywhere even up into radiators. Bish bash bosh

Hi Daniel, try it, I can assure you that you will become converted, change should only be for the better and everyone that takes the "leap of Buteline faith" never goes back, but seeing really is believing, if you could provide us with your contact details and your location we will get one of our guys to touch base with you, show you the system and allow you to have a play yourself and discuss some free tools for you at the same time

ButelineUK Ltd you've got me intrigued, I'm all up for change if it's for the better! What's the best way to get in touch?

Hi Daniel, if you can reply with your location and contact number we can get one of our guys to touch base with you and discuss some free tooling.

I wish my wife said that!

I Dont know man, Im pretty cool myself 😂😂

Daniel Stevens the internal bore is bigger than any pushfit fitting with and insert. The internal spigot is also designed to promote the flow of water unlike a flat ended insert. You will also find that because of how you can bend our pipe unlike other plastics you will use up to 15% less fittings depending on the install which will again add to the flow as there are less restrictions and more sweeps rather than tight bends. We can come and show you with a hands on demo and you can see for yourself and have a go 👍

Why not send us your contact details and your location, we will touch base with you and arrange for one of sales managers to come and visit you, show the product and discuss maybe a set of FREE tools ;-)

I'm probably not your target market, I do a few house renovations a year not day-to-day plumbing work. Never the less I'm willing to spend a few hundred quid on some pipe and fittings if you can chuck in the tools.

Not a problem, if you can reply with your location and contact number we can get one of our guys to touch base and discuss some free tools.

No, but your Mum does! 😜

richard wysham why is that?

Buteline North London PB started out as the new best thing since sliced bread. It was flexible, resistant to corrosion and cheap. Pb was installed in millions of caravans(mobile homes) in the U.S. during the late 70's. By the early 90's it was the subject of huge class action lawsuits. Failure of the fittings, failure of the crimps. As an aside, I think the original 'sharkbite' fitting was designed to repair PB. To me the biggest failure was this. Rodents love to gnaw on it. Is there anywhere in the world free of rodents? Copper is antibacterial, PB, PEX and CPVC are not. Without getting too deep in the weeds.. Say some company comes out with a new product in plumbing. In researching the product, they look at how often it's purchased. The chart says a water system lasts, on average, 20 years(guess) To them, it's a good product because it doesn't fail until 25 years out. I want my install to last a thousand years... well, maybe 75. Big selling point of these products is'labor savings'. Why the hell would I want to save labor? That's how I make money."It's so easy, anyone can do it!" Yeah? Then why do you need me? That way, it ends up like here. In a 50 mile radius, not one plumbing business with multiple employees.They're all 1 man operations and no unions Quality is shit

richard wysham I had a feeling you were going to say that. FYI the pipe we supply in the UK is not the same as the pipe that used to be installed in the US with the issues you mention. We are aware of the failures there but this is not the same company, system or pipe.

It's a cheap inferior version of PEX pipe. It should be banned by now.

exactly!...very few houses escape an occasional mouse invasion and they chew up anything softer than their teeth.

Agreed, See my public comment I just made. In the USA this material has been used for years and they now know it also degrades and starts to burst.

exactly my thoughts... try getting them under a bath to repair on a pipe when your up to the nuts stretching right out..

It's easier than you think guys, why not have a hands on demo and try it? 👍

No, it's a modern version, but easy to get confused on first look.

lol

whatch his other videos and you will understand :)

Anwor Ali it's the classic catchphrase "HOLD TIGHT!"

White Master Mariner it's his catchphrase

Steven Shelton why is that? Have you installed lots of Buteline in the UK? Be interested to know

Adrian Wilding perhaps the issue was the "so called professional" as you say.

nope it is the pb pipe, was outlawed back in the 70s

symbiotic venom outlawed where???

wtf????

I've searched around and there doesn't seem to be any movement to ban PB here in the UK. All they seem to have done is add a barrier film to the inside to resist oxidation. Some manufacturers offer a 50 year guarantee, so they seem confident. I guess maybe the US was unlucky early adopters.