Playing At Jack The Ripper - An 1888 Children's Game Goes Wrong.

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As the newspaper coverage of the Whitechapel murders gathered momentum throughout the autumn of 1888, the sensationalism of some of the reporting began to attract widespread criticism.
It fed into a debate that had been going on for many years as to whether the depictions of crime and criminals in publications, such as the "Penny Dreadfuls" - which were extremely popular with the young - were influencing the behavior of some teenagers, and encouraging to commit similar acts of criminality.
When the "Dear Boss" letter gave the murderer a name that could have come straight out of the pages of a penny dreadful - "Jack the Ripper" - the murderer became an almost mythical figure and permeated the national consciousness in a way that no murderer had done in the past. and in which no murderer would ever do again.
It wasn't long before the old and the young alike were emanating the miscreant, and imitators were at large up and down the kand.
Soon this had permeated down to the young, and playing at Jack the Ripper had become a popular children's game by the end of October 1888.
Inevitably, it wasn;t long before one of these games went a little too far, almost with tragic consequences.
In this video, we look at the debate over whether violent and sensationalist literature was encouraging the young to commit similar acts of violence, before turning our attention to a playground incident that occurred in December 1888, in which twelve-year-old Oliver Thorne stabbed eight-year-old William Edward Govier during a game of "Jack the Ripper."

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@caveman3021
@caveman3021 2 жыл бұрын
I suppose they didn't have Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest to blame things on in those days. Jack the Ripper would have been a natural go-to. In the USA many children sang the Lizzie Borden song while skipping. Thanks for another fascinating video Richard. Great material here as always!👍
@markrowley2739
@markrowley2739 2 жыл бұрын
As always, brilliant narration, brilliantly researched and fascinatingly interesting.
@itsjohndell
@itsjohndell 2 жыл бұрын
Dobell and Gower remind me of the American case of Leopold and Loeb, two wealthy boys who were both sociopaths. The kidnapped and murdered a 14 year old named Bobby Franks just to see what it felt like and never showed remorse.. It's a famous case here and was indirectly the basis of Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope"
@anthonyjenkins2001
@anthonyjenkins2001 Жыл бұрын
That response was the same thing that Alyssa Bustamante said as to why she killed her neighbors kid: that she wanted to see what it felt like.
@jamescorlett5272
@jamescorlett5272 2 ай бұрын
The youngster Bobby Frank's ( Rip ) was murdered mainly so L + L could prove they were superior and would get away with the perfect Murder - one of those two geniuses lost there glasses when hiding the wee lads body .
@janrren125
@janrren125 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way you concentrate on the more obscure stuff.Anyone can upload the main story(and God,too many do),You are the genuine one pal.Thanx again for your excellent work!!!
@smburr1
@smburr1 2 жыл бұрын
Here we are some 134 years later and kids still mimic violent crimes 😩
@TheIndependentLens
@TheIndependentLens 2 жыл бұрын
Media still promotes violent crime too and glorifies serial killers.
@diverguy3556
@diverguy3556 Жыл бұрын
That's human nature for you.
@ronmac9522
@ronmac9522 2 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting that when the ripper story first broke with the dear boss letter. Little kids would scream and point at a complete stranger accusing that person of being the ripper. I think journalism has a huge part and I think even today the way the gutter press report on stories just to sell a few copies has not changed much is morally wrong. I remember kids playing games in my area when the James Bulger case was reported. Children will always be influenced by what they hear. Either they will be influenced enough to kill. That’s for the psychiatrist to determine. We live in a cuel society and children will pick up on it.
@gingermiller436
@gingermiller436 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I seriously doubt that the girls wanted to play this game. No one ever wants to play the victim. However it does seem to me that Mary Kelly has taken on the role of a folk hero in the Ripper case. Curious.
@brianbommarito3376
@brianbommarito3376 2 жыл бұрын
Any naive child, boy or girl, will agree to play a “game” with their peers, and are sometimes caught off guard until they realize that they are to have none of the “fun.”“Truth or Dare” comes to mind.
@darcydavies-jones1503
@darcydavies-jones1503 Жыл бұрын
Go on a Jack the Ripper walk and you'll be surprised how many on these walk will tell the tour guide 'I was Mary Kelly in my past life'. I've been on eight walks and even heard one lady say she was Cathrine Eddows. Females very much want to be victim.
@tonicastel5933
@tonicastel5933 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully researched, written & narrated! Thank you!
@bobbyunavailable
@bobbyunavailable 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully retold. Thanks Richard.
@andybarratt0704
@andybarratt0704 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant story Richard. Very fascinating. Really enjoyed it. First class as always. Best wishes.
@mathewlawton8944
@mathewlawton8944 2 жыл бұрын
Ty for posting another great video Richard.
@ruiseartalcorn
@ruiseartalcorn 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for another great presentation! :)
@jack_knife-1478
@jack_knife-1478 2 жыл бұрын
Jack the ripper is just so fascinating! Loved the story thank you👍
@kate_cooper
@kate_cooper Жыл бұрын
Guess some kids have just always been violent and society has just always blamed it on whatever’s in the pop culture of the time.
@TheIndependentLens
@TheIndependentLens 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they still felt like bragging when they were executed?
@myrnaescamilla5527
@myrnaescamilla5527 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, Richard. There is no better Ripper expert than you.
@lindagoodswin9519
@lindagoodswin9519 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard yet again a great video, it funny how things still go on like that today not with the press and kids so much but with video games and tv shows, there has been some cases where music or video games have been blamed for young kids and crime. I hope you are well and life is being good to you and your family.
@scallopohare9431
@scallopohare9431 2 жыл бұрын
Video games are a whole other thing. They are isolating and realistic. I don't think they cause violent behavior, but can be a factor. Not incidentally, the military recognized their potential very early.
@scallopohare9431
@scallopohare9431 2 жыл бұрын
Many children have a bloodthirsty streak. One of the worst has grown up into a fine adult. Edit (This is in a reply beloe.). Video games are isolating, and realistic in ways no other play is. US military recognized even the earliest forms as potential training aids.
@erminedereims400
@erminedereims400 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are fascinating my source for Victorian society.
@petebennett3733
@petebennett3733 2 жыл бұрын
Theres been a similar sort thing/ debate that's been going on over the couple of years but with video games/ music and stuff with this general sort of mentality/ attitude/ behaviour "connection". So is this a surprise when its comes to the general broader point being made here.
@davidmccann9811
@davidmccann9811 Жыл бұрын
Prior to that they claimed it was comics (especially horror comics) that were corrupting young minds.
@-Reagan
@-Reagan 11 ай бұрын
Poor kids, as if the influence of reading Penny Dreadfuls could possibly compare with being raised in a hopeless place without knowing where your meals were coming from, child labor being as common as addiction and alcoholism being modeled as the only escape from deep deprivation. Surrounded by abuse of everyone on each other, employers on employees, parents on each other and their children, on them. Their role models of personal power, those high enough on the pecking order to heap abuse and oppression on others. A morbid interest in Penny dreadfuls or any idealism of violence were symptoms, not the cause. To think they blamed literacy for allowing them to exhibit such symptoms when, at least literacy was a beginning of offering options in life and hope. Certainly more deprivation was the answer... smh.
@DavidLeeAndrews
@DavidLeeAndrews 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to the Hendon story, may I ask, were the kids working class or rich? Just curious, as I heard that not all working class kids went to school.
@davesmith7432
@davesmith7432 2 жыл бұрын
It’s much safer and fun to play the board game “WhiteChapel” instead
@KingBritish
@KingBritish 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard. Can you recommend any good quality books on Jack the Ripper? Preferably 'newer' ones but not essential
@JackTheRipperTours
@JackTheRipperTours 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean I have a list of suggested books on my website. www.jack-the-ripper.org/books-on-jack-the-ripper.htm
@adelecurry7405
@adelecurry7405 2 жыл бұрын
Chatterbox Lane!!!!
@jamesbyrne9312
@jamesbyrne9312 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, when lack of ignorance is reduced, the ability of children to have awful thoughts grows. I believe more and more that ignorance bliss and maybe even blessed. Look at the kids today, they are like mini adults, is childhood a luxury of the 20th century?? If so we should protect it lol
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