Plunge Cut (Trigger). How to safely cut a heavy leaner.

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Rily Passini

3 жыл бұрын

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@af7777 3 ай бұрын

Clear and to the point. I hate 20 minute videos for a 5 minute job.

@happyrecluse2849 Ай бұрын

Like the tip about seeing the bar thru the first cut. Saves me couple trips around the tree.

@joeritter8331 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! I almost learned the hard way how dangerous leaners were when I was 16 dropping a leaning oak over a frozen river. It barber chaired like the best of them and landed in my boot prints on the ice. Having no traction I barely got out of the way. After that I'm found the the felling instructions in the old Stihl saw manual from Grandpa's saw. Learned a lot, practiced a lot. Ran a tree removal crew to pay for college. I still pull side jobs clearing building sites. 20 years later I've still never felt like a pro. I feel like every tree could be the last one, like the first nearly was, if I don't think it through first.

@DanWoodTomwoodson 8 ай бұрын

Love your whole comment but especially the last sentence, that helps us stay alive when we use power tools. Respect the tool and think before you do.

@atlucas1 6 ай бұрын

> "I feel like every tree could be the last one... if I don't think it through first." This should be on a plaque in every feller/logger/arborist/DIYer's garage/office/shed. "Every tree could be the last one if you don't think it through first." I also like DanWoodTomwoodson's sentiment about extending it to power tools in general.

@MrFordguy73 2 ай бұрын

I cut a too large tree for my chainsaw. I have been procrastinating for a while, that was why because I felt the same way, it already broke a few ribs back in November. When I finally got strength to do it again, I was extremely careful. I definitely need a larger bar.

@clarencemainjk9231 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a retired cutter of over 40 years, you did a great job!

@christinamoneyhan5688 2 жыл бұрын

Now , that a real complement.

@pkey749 3 ай бұрын

If you’re not standing behind the tree is the possibility of barber chair an issue?

@dougie-thugie 18 күн бұрын

It was a really easy fall with that heavy lean.

@jpopelish Жыл бұрын

The only thing I could have added was an explanation for how this prevents a barber chair. A barber chair is a shear failure of the wood, as a back curt, approaching the face cut, crowds the compression forces at the face cut against the approaching tension forces at the back cut. At some amount of shear force concentration, the wood will fail in shear and the tree will split, vertically, bending over the wood on the compression side of the shear failure. Your plunge cut concentrated the tension forces further and further toward the rear, spreading and weakening the shear forces between compression and tension more and more, until the trigger tears off. Then, as the hinge bends, the tension forces on the back of the hinge, break the fibers, before shear failure can take over.

@annaaron3510 11 күн бұрын

Perfect. Right PPE gear, plan escape route, well planned, the right bore cut, all. Good show.

@davidpalmer3015 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for getting straight to it and providing such a clear explanation. Well done 👍🏻 Thanks

@johnnyfred2125 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Other folks would take 20 minutes.

@bluetractordudeantics7214 Жыл бұрын

I agree 100% good job

@grdelawter4266 2 жыл бұрын

This has to be the very best description on how to do this that I have ever seen! Good job

@unclemoe5733 8 ай бұрын

This is the type of vedio that should be used for training. Too many people with chain saws think they are qualified to cut down trees safely. When they don't have a clue. Seen it way to many times over my years in tree removal. 😢

@mcallistertreetraining1383 8 ай бұрын

Thank you. We absolutely agree. We made these videos to help train some of our team.

@dqmc07 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a Tree Climber certified by KZfaq and I think you did an outstanding job.

@ricflair5956 2 жыл бұрын

One of the better tutorials I’ve watched for safely cutting a leaner AND how to do a boring cut in one short video. A true professional.

@GoogleUser-kr6se 2 жыл бұрын

Beauty chop.. Wooo

@MartinLaforce 8 ай бұрын

East Coast trees are a different beast, good to know this stuff!

@pjsmfasheri 2 жыл бұрын

The best explanation of how to cut a dangerous tree. Thanks.

@essaytee7737 Жыл бұрын

Awesome tutorial… plain, clear and direct. Many thanks

@ralfnjan 2 жыл бұрын

A sharp chain is an absolute must for bore cutting. Chatters and kicks otherwise.

@thegoodearth7 2 жыл бұрын

Very well-done, and a very helpful video for those looking to stay alive!

@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 4 ай бұрын

I'm a professional armchair quarterback and I give you a thumbs up.

@Redhackle 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. It’s very well done. You made things safer for me.

@samwimpy2600 2 жыл бұрын

Job well done...I am self taught via KZfaq, need more videos like yours...clear, concise, no annoying extras...I subscribed to your channel!

@mcallistertreetraining1383 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. We will be making more videos in the next several weeks. We really appreciate your subscription.

@johnnycorn7225 29 күн бұрын

@@mcallistertreetraining1383 appreciate you taking the time to put this up for us Learners out here

@rw7594 Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I just bought my first chainsaw. The Stihl manual says to plunge cut one of the ways you describe it with that rear trigger cut last. It was good that you described that amd then explained why you cut all of the way out that time. I'll be cutting firewood sized trees for the time being. I've read my Stihl manual front to back and now I'm looking to see what others can teach.

@BrianBoruish Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tutorial. Short, sweet and to the point. Just what I needed.

@mcallistertreetraining1383 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Glad we can help.

@donmoore7785 Ай бұрын

I did this yesterday on a leaner, that also had a very large tree leaning on it. My bar was not long enough but I got the bore cuts aligned from each side. Cut the back strap, and worked like a charm.

@htssoutboardsboatstrains9784 8 ай бұрын

My world is ash, maple, hickory etc. Lots of leaners ... I always bore cut from the right hand side from trigger to hinge, easier to form the hinge. Get the hinge thin enough....sometimes on a real heavy lean I'll take a bit out of the hinge ( plunge from the front after the face cut. But getting the hinge right mean no pulls. Getting the hinge wrong is either pulls if its too think or collapses on your saw if you cut too much (1.5 to 2 inches ). Then do as you did to release. Done right there is no chair and no pulls, :)

@DrVonChute 9 ай бұрын

When I plunge cut a leaner I like to make the Final Cut standing as far away from a tree that might barber chair. So, cutting a small release strap from the back of the tree with the tip of my saw seems safer to me.

@mcallistertreetraining1383 8 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right. We stand at a safe distance and make sure we have a safe path to get away from any danger.

@josevillanueva9705 Ай бұрын

Greatest demonstration on KZfaq. Ive spend last few days looking for videos

@Lucas12v 2 жыл бұрын

Good demonstration. A professional logger taught me this technique years ago and I've used it many times since.

@mb56436 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your skill and knowledge!

@MrJhara 2 жыл бұрын

interesting technique! I always plunge and then come in at it from the back. I like your method of just staying in the plunge. Also, I really like the idea to do the top part of the box first. I have always done the bottom first and it seems like it is much easier to connect the two in your top cut first method. Thanks for sharing these tips man! I am going to use both the next time I'm dropping a good leaner.

@MrJhara 4 ай бұрын

@@QuietlyContemplating exactly man! Thanks for showing me another way to go at it.

@michaellee9883 3 ай бұрын

One downside to cutting the top of the notch first in a conventional face cut is you cannot use your sight lines as effectively compared to when you start with the bottom. Same is true for the Humboldt style face cut. It’s easier to aim if your first cut is with the bar level.

@MrJhara 3 ай бұрын

@@michaellee9883 that is a great point man. I will keep that in mind as well. :)

@KRich408 8 ай бұрын

I wonder how many people knew that hairy vine was poison ivy? I hate dealing with that stuff especially when I worked for tree service/ PPL power in Pennsylvania

@TheDuckcarver Жыл бұрын

Thank you! the way you explained your actions and demonstrated it cleared up the confusion. It probably saved me from making a really bad mess of myself!

@mcallistertreetraining1383 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jerry, thank you for watching!

@dewarner12 10 ай бұрын

Great video. The instruction was really clear and succinct.

@2peter1v2 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for a very informative video. I've got some leaners, so now I know why I want to cut them the way you demonstrated.

@timothyboone5003 11 ай бұрын

Proper method other that it’s my opinion your hinge was a little to thick. That thick of a hinge increases the risk of a barberchair. Heavy leaners I thin my hinges as much as I can.

@kevinthomas810 2 жыл бұрын

You can always tell a Eastern cutter by how they approach the undercut, you should always start an undercut horizontally to sight your tree in. That being said, the bore cut was text book

@bradleykreider3358 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't that increase your chance of pinching if the lean puts pressure on the bar? Doing the angle cut first ensures that there is only a sliver of wood to pinch the blade against.

@ciphercode2298 Жыл бұрын

He explained his reasoning for doing it that way in this particular situation.

@growyourgood8459 3 ай бұрын

uhm, IF you LIve, you learn. I think you just saved my life. Mine's leaning even more and started a notch, but lean so strong it pinched the bar...got another bar and was going to repeat...cuz I thought I was smart. NOW gonna do a notch like yours, plunge cut and release trigger. This video just popped up, I wasn't even searching tree vids. It's Luck or it's a miracle. lol. Many Thanks!

@gregzorik5896 2 ай бұрын

that's what you get for livin right.

@meledog1357 2 ай бұрын

Soooooooooo did it work or are you dead now

@growyourgood8459 2 ай бұрын

@@meledog1357Alive! I got a lot from this vid... Did my first plunge cut on Severe leaner and did the wedge with top cut/ bottom cut order, so you can see bar depth. Best to you, thanks !

@meledog1357 2 ай бұрын

Cool! Always cool to see people trying new techniques! I haven’t tried a plunge cut yet but I will one of these days

@growyourgood8459 2 ай бұрын

@@meledog1357yeah, I thought it was advanced technique I'd never use...but it's really necessary for leaners -- I noticed how he eases bar onto trunk to get right position before plunging since bar wants to pull you can't just plunge it directly in without losing control. Let's all be careful to survive another day ; )

@johnnycorn7225 29 күн бұрын

The stump tells all and that's a perfect job in a big dangerous situation!

@danamennerich3282 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Love learning something new. I won't have to worry about the tree splitting and trying to hit me now!

@DavidfromMichigan Жыл бұрын

Real easy way to stay alive. Nicely put. Nicely executed.

@larryrobinson08 Ай бұрын

Thank you for that. I probably will never cut down a tree like that, but not the less I learned something. I watched a lot of saw cut videos, and never quite got how they usually came out so clean.

@jamdolo92 2 жыл бұрын

short,simple and informative…love it

@adriancarty612 Жыл бұрын

Short and sweet and to the point, you earned a new follower.👍

@zakonkrzyzacki3921 Жыл бұрын

Still had good holding wood left. Thanks. I needed a refresher.

@mcallistertreetraining1383 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@ApprenticeGM 2 жыл бұрын

That's a great video demo mate - thanks for sharing.

@markk3652 20 күн бұрын

I never had any experience with felling a tree. My dad passed away and I had to go and clean up the property where he lived. There had been a strong storm that broke a large pine tree and the upper 30 feet of it had to be cut up for disposal. As I was cutting it into more manageable size pieces, the bulk of it shifted, and I could feel the weight of it through the shake of the ground when it moved. I stopped right then, and got the pros involved.

@thetruth7046 2 жыл бұрын

I have a banana leaner tomorrow. Will use this technique. Will let you know how it turns out. Appreciate your time spent with the explanation, and final stump view. UPDATE: Worked like you instructed. Thank you, Sir.

@jmv668 Жыл бұрын

You survived?

@thetruth7046 Жыл бұрын

@@jmv668 Indeed.

@SwiftyMcVeigh851 Жыл бұрын

@@thetruth7046 hell yeah...live and learn ...

@netterstyl 2 жыл бұрын

Very, very good demo. Why? -Folks can hear and understand your (clear) speaking, and the reasons behind your technique are well explained.

@dhaniramlall9648 2 жыл бұрын

Love to watch . You guys have some great skills

@bracaarboristi 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure why so many dislikes, this video is very helpful to me... Thanks so much for such a descriptive and good video on fellin leaners

@FirStub 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for straight to it no bs video..love it

@simarkeenlyside 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for a really clear no nonsense demo .really helpful .all best

@mightyconker3903 Жыл бұрын

It makes sense to put your back cut higher up so that you've got a step that prevents the trunk from sliding back your way.

@douglas9607 2 жыл бұрын

Good demonstration. Thanks

@Jason-fg4jr Жыл бұрын

Amen brother... I'm not a pro just s dude that heats and buys expensive saws to make my life easier but very nicely explained

@marcuscicero9587 2 жыл бұрын

real good explanation, real simple.

@anodeboy 6 ай бұрын

Very well explained, and very well done

@SteadySpin 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty cool. Thank you for sharing

@user-fx4qz8pt3w 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. Heard of doing a plunge cut, but now I see how it's done and why it makes sense.

@michaelpcooksey5096 2 жыл бұрын

Well, he did the cut quickly... realize the bar is not pushed straight into the tree at first. The bottom of the bar tip engages the tree first creating a deep groove. The bar is then gradually eased into the 90 degree plunge inside the mini groove. It resists kickback that way. Sort of like using a log to prevent an ax from hitting your leg. :)

@nbco55 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpcooksey5096 Great description of the cut, but you also need to add that your left hand gripping the handle, the thumb should always be around the bar, and not sitting on it like his was. That, we were taught is an incorrect grip.

@michaelpcooksey5096 2 жыл бұрын

@@nbco55 Thank you for the editing update. The hand isn't truly controlling the bar when the thumb is on top instead of wrapped... right?

@nbco55 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpcooksey5096 whether or not it matters that is the way we were taught that the thumb should be wrapping the bar entirely.

@michaelpcooksey5096 2 жыл бұрын

@@nbco55 Understood, but knowing exactly WHY one is being taught that way is as important as keeping consistent with original training. Go Deeper. For instance it used to be that a drowning victim once brought around and talking was thought to be ok to go. Now we know he can walk away and drop over dead on the beach unless he has had oxygen and gotten the water out of his lungs. Blind acceptance of teachings is not a good idea.

@Ecksterphono 3 ай бұрын

Good bar and chain and chainsaw in general, and a safety exit point before cutting trees is the number one priority no matter how experienced. Even experienced arborists can get seriously injured or killed.

@davidjack3 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant ! Loved watching this and learned from it more importantly thanks

@6900pilot 2 жыл бұрын

Top class video, very well done. thank you

@santinoharvey4555 Жыл бұрын

We make the finally cut differently here in the uk, following the plunge. We remove the saw and cut vertically down the tree to keep the plunge cut

@robertdouglas3456 2 жыл бұрын

Great information! Thank you!

@bobbyhutto1253 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Thank you so much!

@davt8615 8 ай бұрын

Nice work buddy 👍🇬🇧

@mcallistertreetraining1383 8 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@brianfoley4328 3 жыл бұрын

Great demo...thanks, it will be useful as I have a half dozen "leaners" to fell.

@brianfoley4328 2 жыл бұрын

@Tree Man Okay, well both of you know more about it than I do. I've watched dozens of videos of the subject and I've cut down a few leaners myself...but I can always learn something new and seeing as I have an Irrigation ditch full of leaning Cottonwoods (and I do mean leaning greater than 30 to 45 degrees) I'm trying decide if I'm capable of doing this safely or should I hire the job out...the problem is I have a new Stihl chainsaw...and just like a kid with a hammer...well, you know.

@ironworkerfxr7105 2 жыл бұрын

@Tree Man that's a true statement. ... spring loaded branches. ...not fun....

@jukeseyable 2 жыл бұрын

Just want to wade in here with a bit of advice from over the water in the UK. Firstly I endorse everything treeman has said, but a few things worry me. Firstly you have a new saw, probably means that you are a novice sharpener. For those leaners you really want to be off the stump fast. As you say you have multiple trees to fall, . I don't know how cotton wood cuts, we don't have them here, ,Ask treeman. If ur sharpening isn't up to scratch, invest in a second chain, and change it out for the later falls. Secondly assess your trees carefully, build up to the more difficult ones if space allows, do not rank them in order of size, a bigger tree can be easier as it gives you more margin for error both on the face cut, and the plunge cut. Best on the plunge to leave a bit to much hinge, stop assess and cut a little more, if needs be. Tree man has mentioned it, but be careful of limbs hitting the far side before the tree is fully down, they can propell the tree back at you, it goes back to assessing the tree carefully. One last thing, with such a significant lean and them been down in a ditch, it is likely that the tree won't have enough momentum to collapse its limbs sufficiently so as to have it settled nicely on the ground. You must be careful when cutting to settle it that it doesn't rotate over and on to you. One final point, if you're going to fall trees, please get urself a decent saw! Ditch the Stihl, and get urself a huski XP, 😁😁😁😁

@brianfoley4328 2 жыл бұрын

@@jukeseyable Thanks for the great advice...I've felled maybe thirty or more trees. I live in an area where we all have 5-8 acres and some of us have a boatload of trees...I have somewhere near 80 trees on my property and friend the same. My new Stihl chainsaw is a new chainsaw but not my first. Yes I have three chains which I rotate and have professionally sharpened....it's just I'm not the Spring Chicken I once was and being able to get the hell out of the way is a little more difficult these days....so after the leaves drop off this season I've eight medium sized trees (diameters greater than twelve inches) all in that irrigation ditch. I think I'm going give the "Plunge Cut" a try. But I really appreciate your wisdom...Thanks.

@jukeseyable 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianfoley4328 appologies for my mistaken assumption, regarding your level of experience. Greater than 12 inches is better, bit more wood. Good luck , sure ull be fine

@charlotteking8123 3 ай бұрын

Well done and well said.

@dennisthemenace57 2 жыл бұрын

A good safety demo, no need for such a wide scarf but probably done for instructional purposes. Many weekend firewood blokes are nervous about bore cutting but it is a necessary skill. Pro fallers would have a lower stump and if the log was valuable probably use a Humboldt

@mcallistertreetraining1383 2 жыл бұрын

We agree, but the location of these cut are deliberate. It gave us better angles for the camera and the property owner wanted the wood to stay on the property. The other reason for the height and slope of the cut was to try and keep the other side of the fork healthy.

@dennisthemenace57 2 жыл бұрын

No worries, all the best

@cripplercolonel5518 2 жыл бұрын

very well done. you are a pro. on the real heavy leans that seen to want to pinch your saw in the notch process try a diamond notch whith is two notches on 45s eliminating the chance to get pinched and also they go far enough up the sides , eliminating the chance of barbering.

@ironworkerfxr7105 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, hope someone does a KZfaq on it.

@donnymac1307 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful cut

@flat6fever680 4 ай бұрын

Beautifully done sir. Thanks for sharing.

@rooster3019 6 ай бұрын

Good explanation and the same way I do those heavy leaners.

@intheshell35ify 12 күн бұрын

I love the bore cut. I'm experienced, but I'm no wizard with a saw. Bore cut lets me shape the hinge exactly like I want it before I release the tree. I know the pros can see in their minds eye exactly what the hinge looks like and can tickle it one way or the other, but that ain't me.

@joefran619 2 жыл бұрын

great visual, and helpful

@shmonsterman1356 2 жыл бұрын

This is useful information. Thanks for sharing .

@askburlefot2645 Жыл бұрын

Great job! Using same technic myself.

@earndoggy 5 ай бұрын

Wow, nicely done!

@adamlauina491 2 күн бұрын

Nicely done 👍

@danielowens4789 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job, good information.

@87danmc Жыл бұрын

Just the video I needed. When I need instructions on how to do something, I am glad when I get just that and not the person's life history. Also, you must not be allergic to poison ivy.

@nathaniellarson8 2 жыл бұрын

I have tons of leaners like this in my woods, perfect video for me. Thanks KZfaq algorithm! lol

@joshuapersaud1659 6 ай бұрын

thanks for the tip

@sunnysideupfarmct 2 ай бұрын

Great video. You probably saved some lives.

@FoxMan777 4 ай бұрын

Really appreciate this knowledge. Thank you. :)

@ScottWConvid19 Жыл бұрын

We're you satisfied with the thickness of that hinge? I've seen s thinner hinge than that barber chair because it was too thick and the resistance diverted the tension upward. It was an ash tree, which is much more prone to BC

@caerleon87 2 жыл бұрын

Great video that. I learnt a lot for sure..

@prioritytree Жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@wingusa2 8 ай бұрын

Very nice job for sure

@mcallistertreetraining1383 8 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@wesleycarr2928 4 ай бұрын

Hinge size is determined by how wide the tree is at breast height . Use 10/80 if tree is 20” at breast height then the hinge should be 2” thick and 18” across. For control and safety of felling tree. Also we call it bore cutting here in Indiana . Indiana department of natural resources has timber cutting training classes to teach this way of cutting. Well worth going to . There’s no fillin like tree killin ! Be safe.

@jimheckert5383 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Thanks

@godwantsplastic 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer to leave enough of the tree to act like a hinge and then I pull using a rope puller from a safe distance. This seems pretty safe but I’m gonna stick to being far away from heavy leaners when they come down. I use a similar face cut with a much shallower back cut leaving approx 1/3 of the tree to act like a hinge. I’ve only seen trees barber chair in videos and I want to keep it that way!

@jamesrussell6870 2 жыл бұрын

Rope on a heavy lean falling towards the lean? That doesn't make sense??

@johngibson3837 4 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need to go back to school mate before you die

@paulsouthgate8954 8 ай бұрын

Wat model stihl u using.Keep these videos coming

@michaelangelo7511 4 ай бұрын

Very good job!👍🏻🇺🇸

@drake.707 Жыл бұрын

It's like I'm back at work.

@sbhjackson5931 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. I have to cut down a leaning tree that's dying. I have only taken down 20 trees so I am still learning and have never done a plunge cut. I know the tree is a very good candidate to barber chair so I will have 2 heavy duty ratchet straps above my open face notch as a precaution. My question is do plunge cuts kickback a lot of the time? The tree is not thick in diameter so can you still do a plunge cut on say a roughly 8 inch diameter tree?