PMDG 737-800 - Which Flaps to use for Landing

PMDG 737-800 - Which Flaps to use for Landing | Real 737 Pilot

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Жыл бұрын

The PMDG 737-800 is not too far off so let's start preparing a bit for it.
In this one let's have a look into the considerations for choosing your landing flap setting.
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@madsib5187 Жыл бұрын

I really hope the perf calc will be included in the EFB when it will be released one day. This is a must to fly realistically and should not be reqiuired to be bought externally. Otherwise, great video (as always) and great plane!

@tusse6135 Жыл бұрын

Fax

@vtjake3761 Жыл бұрын

Yeah considering many of us bought the -7 and will probably buy the -8 which is well over $100. Definitely should be included.

@DanielDuhon Жыл бұрын

@@vtjake3761 it will be a free update, Don’t y’all read?

@vtjake3761 Жыл бұрын

@@DanielDuhon We're specifically talking about the performance calculator, don't YOU read?

@OmnipotentEnt Жыл бұрын

@@vtjake3761 I would hope performance calculators are included with the EFB. I came to MSFS PMDG from Xplane so I don't have any knowledge about FSX or P3D, but I don't think they had calculators included. Fingers crossed they change that up with a new platform like MSFS!

@rodp1984 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I'm trying to get better at the 737 and 738 daily on MSFS. This and descents are what I need to improve most. Thanks!

@MaxK934 Жыл бұрын

I can't wait to get the 737-800 it seems like such a good plane!

@TheProtector737 Жыл бұрын

Yess !! Can't wait !

@MSA3568 Жыл бұрын

Excellent demo Sir!

@Richard_McDonald_Woods Жыл бұрын

Emi! How does the performance of carbon and steel brakes affect the calculations?

@michelewang6983 Жыл бұрын

Great🍾 🔥🔥🔥

@countryflyboy8255 Жыл бұрын

nice I had no idea that some airlines factored in the usage of reverse thrust for fuel saving.

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

Fuel and noise, both. If it's save without it, why waste the fuel and annoy the neighbors? Many airports actually forbid the use of reversers unless required for safety reasons. CPH, BCN, MAD, just to name a few big ones!

@countryflyboy8255 Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver yea I was aware of the noise abatement in some areas. I am old enough to have been around when there were multiple dc-9 and md-80 ops at large airports here in the states.. shall we speak of noise ! It was extremely loud on aiport property

@boardingtime9587 Жыл бұрын

Hello! Love your videos! So helpfull! One thing i need to say…your sound! The microphone you are using peaks Everytime you talk. It is to loud! Pls check that because it is really not nice to listen to that. Pls don’t just me! Just love your videos and wanna watch them without the sound problems. Danke!

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

Noted!

@IslandSimPilot 9 ай бұрын

Hi @737ngdriver - where do you get the wind from? There's no Metar in the clip. A certain altitude AGL? Or always runway winds?

@pulidoggy Жыл бұрын

A newbie question... Once we have decided that the landing flaps setting we'll be using is, say, 40, how we decide the right moment to apply each step of the progression from flaps 0 to 40 during the approach?

@bigd2829 Жыл бұрын

I’m not a real pilot but I’d say don’t overthink it, flaps 1-5 are really there to sort of slow you down and beyond that (flaps 10-40) you would apply them as necessary as you slow the plane down for short final. (Of course in the checklist you would be approaching at flaps 15 and go at whatever vref speed (+15) the fmc says.)

@1415Li Жыл бұрын

Hey, sorry if I missed any mention of Flaps 15 in the video. Is there any specific case were Flaps 15 would be used? Severe wind gusts?

@Hk-uw8my Жыл бұрын

For easa and some other regulators like Jaa, flaps 15 is only used with non normal conditions , such as a single engine landing for example. In this case, it will improve the go around performance if you have to abort the landing. For the faa , flaps 15 can be a normal landing setting but is normally limited to airports where approach climb performance is a factor. Normal landings using flaps 15 are permitted for authorized operators with appropriate performance data available. Flaps 30 should be enough for gusty conditions.

@AndGamer Жыл бұрын

Hey, @737NG Driver, can you please explain on how to choose flaps in case of wind gusts in the destination airport. I don't now if you cover this topic already. Guide me please if you did.

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

There is no general do's and don'ts here, you have to involve your experience. Generally speaking, I'd say if the gusts exceed 10kt that's a good argument to think about Flaps 30 rather than 40, but as said it comes down to experience as well.

@AndGamer Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver I thought that "normal" flaps are 30. Then if there are gusts, then set 40, because stall speed will be lower. Does it work like this?

@senfsosse-nx7wx Жыл бұрын

Hey, are there any alternatives for calculating the weights, V speeds etc for the 737-800 for free? Or will it be included in the EFB later?

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

It will come with the EFB later, I'm not aware of free alternatives at the moment.

@senfsosse-nx7wx Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver ok thanks

@captain7956 Жыл бұрын

I use rudder pedals for control of my rudder however when I land they are so sensitive and I slide all over the runway! Can I ask what you use as you control it so well. Thanks

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

I'm using pedals as well. Thrustmaster Pendular Pedals to be exact. The trick is to use short and small inputs. Don't yank on the controls, that's going to get you nowhere. Do you input, hold it, see what happens. Need more? Apply a bit more, see what happens. And so on.

@captain7956 Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver thank you 🙏🏻

@Aleksandar6ix Жыл бұрын

Wow, the effects of flaps selection to turnaround time is not something I ever considered. Because I don't ever do turnarounds in sim, I'll probably continue with flap 30,but cool nonetheless.

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

There's so many things a flight simmers just never considers. The term "thinking ahead" in FS just means something totally different than in real life. But that's fine, after all flight simmers are typically not trained professionals. That's why there are videos like these to give you such insights!

@devn3813 8 ай бұрын

Can we land on flaps 25? If so, what conditions should we do that in? thanks

@A330Driver 8 ай бұрын

No, approved landing settings are 30 and 40 in normal ops and 15 with specific emergencies where stated in the QRH. Some US carriers also got a 15 approval for normal ops to be used on high altitude airports like Denver.

@lilice013 Жыл бұрын

Question for you, you don’t have this performance tool in the air don’t you? So what do you use? If my memeory is not mistaking me, i believe company provides you with those performance charts via your ipad right? Then you would input what ever scenario it is and come up with these landing configuration correct? I hope I’m making sense to you i have a terrible way of saying what I’m asking/mean.

@nvstewart Жыл бұрын

You are right, all the info the pilots require are on their iPads.

@lilice013 Жыл бұрын

@@nvstewart i appreciate you! Bless you and thanks so much

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

We have the OPT in the air as well, it's an offline application in real life. It doesn't need internet but does everything from its local database on the iPad.

@FloridaVibesOfficial Жыл бұрын

What are you using for the performance tool calculations?

@TractorMonkeywithJL Жыл бұрын

www.virtualperformancetool.com

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

virtualperformancetool.com

@LasseMagnussen Жыл бұрын

What happens if something occurred during landing that forces you to apply manual brakes wrt. to the cooling time? How is that then taken into consideration?

@Marix498 Жыл бұрын

Nothing... You've git brake temperature sensors do the take off would be delayed until the temp drops below the limit

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

Take the figure for max manual and you're on the safe side. And if it says you're in the fuse plug melt zone call operations and they'll have to make a detailled calculation.

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

The 737's not an Airbus. 90% of all 737s don't have temperature sensors installed.

@Marix498 Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver oh I didn't know that, PMDG 737's always have I think :):)

@22cheddar Жыл бұрын

what does the no proc. req mean? why could not we used flaps 30 with rev and aut. br. 2 ?

@cesarperezargota Жыл бұрын

"No procedure required." I assume it means you don't need to worry about brake cooling.

@Flyic Жыл бұрын

@@cesarperezargota indeed.

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

No procedure required for brake cooling. You can keep the parking brake engaged during the whole turnaround if you like.

@aarndub0760 Жыл бұрын

How did you know how much cref you had to add from the wind

@cshoffie6593 Жыл бұрын

1/2 headwind rounded up

@A330Driver Жыл бұрын

Plus the full gust, but max 15kt in total.

@hades_monsta Жыл бұрын

How do I canculate the VREF ADD?

@ThePeperich Жыл бұрын

starting at 1:13 he explains to use about 50% of the headwind (for weather use METAR etc.) as VREF addition

@anthonymark3771 Жыл бұрын

These are the current guidelines regarding winds and what to add to the VREF Target speed MUST BE between Vref + 5 and Vref + 20 Target Speed In Nil Wind = Vref + 5 Target Speed Into Wind = Vref + (half the wind speed with minimum +5) Target Speed With Gusts = Vref + (half the wind speed) + (full gust wind) Target Speed With Tail Wind = Vref + 5 Target Speed With Cross Wind = Vref + 5

@hades_monsta Жыл бұрын

@@ThePeperich oh thank you, how could I miss that?