Yeah. Taven (in his default costume) is the safest and lamest looking character in all MK At least I felt something about Mokap, Hsu Hao, Dairou, Drahmin or even Kobra.

@@meganinten0078 didn’t know you liked Mortal Kombat.

Kobra was the lamest looking of all Even mokap can work as a joke

​@@meganinten0078 Hey, uhhh. Why are you comparing Drahmin to Hsu Hao, Dairou, and Kobra?

And Daegon should've been Matt, or Steve or something else really common lol.

Our hero, everyone, the one and only who defeated Blaze and saved all of the realms of Armageddon: *- BOB!*

Bob VS. Rob

Shujinko is just the Japanese word for "Protagonist" so I wouldn't doubt that they did a similar thing for the next game

It's to OP

@@REIVAXMEELAS geras exists

@@mothichorror446 yea but this is about the midway era of mk not nrs. Back in 2006 I'm pretty sure the devs probably thought that time freeze in kombat would be to powerful.

damn now thats a semi god hope he come back

Time freeze is too op That's why only very few characters have it in the entire genre history

Ha! That’s where you’re wrong! I am the only Kobra fan and I have requested him a whole 1 time!

Everybody has at least a couple of fans, so I wouldn't be that sure. Join the Reddit subforum, it gives a glimpse of how much diversity the fanbase has. There's also the idea that every character can be redeemed with enough work pun into them, something like they did with Frost or Tremor.

I am Kobra's second fan.

I can see either Kobra or Darrius having fans. Hsu Hao on the other hand...

@@keitsukishima1681 HAHA… I’m a fan of him too actually

Same with Mavado's Matrix style attire and Darius's resemblance to the Blade protagonist. Heck Stryker's Armageddon redesign resembles the 2000 era X-Men films.

But I find charm in that 2000 era nostalgia.

Mike tyson had it in ip man 3

@@moseslalmuanpuia8988 oh yeah iv noticed in some photos of him he has that tattoo on his side of his face

I honestly wish NRS would bring back these 2000 era costumes we always get the same 90s era costumes.

What if it's mk deception

What if it's mk deadly alliance

What if it's mk4

What if it's mkvsdc

What if it's mk1

I did expect to see them in 11 as DLC.

No they're the most forgettable characters

Same thing with shujinko in deception I think. I honestly wished wasn’t so stubborn with neglecting to update and expand on there backstories/personalities

I mean nrs not expanding on them

Well no, remember that mk vs DC was one of the canon games meaning that mk vs DC was the last 3D mk and not Armageddon

@@grimthedeathlord8998 that entry was a debate for fans whether it was canon or not i know mk 11 references that game

@@seasonembrace3624 yeah well there is no debate, mk 11 isn't mk 11 without mk vs DC, there are no other mainstream entries meaning that mk 11 would have been mk10 without mk vs DC

Sucks they only appear in like one character ending.

Shujinko as well

@@versatilelord8893 agree, although Shujinko was shown to be more gullible So he made much more mistakes

@@CloakEngaged that has to be bait. Armageddon's tier list is based on how much BS a character can pull off lmao

YES! He always talks about tier lists in older titles and I cannot find any youtube videos on it. I don't feel like searching for forums but I'd love a video to watch

Top is Sareena, I know that much

@@CloakEngaged ok you're just straight up trolling now lmao

his MK Meta video on Armageddon goes over it roughly, but without numbers. generally, the only exceptions to it are (from my understanding): -superbosses that have different hitstun/launch properties are softbanned (or at the very least, not played out of courtesy) -kreate a fighter is fucked up and usually also softbanned -Quan is debatably top 10 but not talked about very often generally a lot of the competitive history/MK meta videos, especially for any game that's pre-MK9, are mostly just moveset history overviews. for things like Chameleon, nobody actually played them competitively and they're completely absent from any tierlist, the most you'll get is two sentences of "nobody knows cause nobody cared, pick a top 3 char instead lol"

Indeed it was

I'd imagine for Armageddon he would be constantly shifting the mid tier characters around, just because it's such a huge roster.

Technical stuff still matters in older games.

Kobra, Dairou and Bo Rai Cho at the top.

@@Euro.Patriot In MK:A, you mean?! In MK:D, I only agree with Kobra being top tier (S tier). Dairou is mid-tier (B) and Bo' is low-mid tier (B-). Nobody beats Baraka in that game (S+ tier) and I can't decide yet who's the worst (Sindel or Havik) for C tier last spot in the line for C.

I agree. Shinnok has the best drip in Armageddon.

Shinnok has always looked goofy, worst main villain. Kronika atleast had everyone unite against her.

@Slavic Aussie kronika lame

@@cuva9203 She is but Shinnok is worse.

😁

Just know that Moloch is God tier

Also another factor for both The new games big problem is how to make the timeline work, these 2 come from an era we know nothing about The tournament wasn't a thing when taven and daegon were around, so with a little effort they can put them in the story again

@@GarkKahn Sorry but that doesn't make sense. There is no issue with the timelines here and it has nothing to do with the tourney.

Lol Being less memorable than Stryker...that's already an achievement 😅

@@meganinten0078 Nobody is less memorable than Stryker. Not even Jacqui

He be like 🧍

Raven? From the teen titans?

Guess he wasn't cool enough for you to remember his name correctly though

Raven?

Raven from tekken? 👍🏿

I got autocorrected shut up already 😂

I remember he was pretty good in Deadly Alliance.

@@meganinten0078 He was a top 5 actually Scorpion Bo Rai Cho Reptile Shang Tsung Hsu Hao Hsu Hao's sun moon blades had the same moveset as Kano's butterfly knives and he also had good style branches and wrestling did good damage.

@@meganinten0078 I forgot about Frost and Drahmin, they'd knock Hsu Hao down. Frost has massive style branches but a bad freeze and Drahmin's combos are all popups but he has a powerup which I think can be guaranteed by doing a specific move. I've seen Drahmin get combos of 90%

Deception is held as a top 3 MK game.

Daegon and Taven are better than anyone else, including Jinko

@@mattteomatei3610 No.

I consider the NRS games the "Dark times" of MK

Watch NRS bring Daegon back as a Kano level character.

@@Euro.Patriot What do you mean exactly?

I mean You have a point.Me myself is a tier list hungry guy.When i heard ketchup say Most tier lists are wrong,I immidietly wanted his thoughts considering he is a pro at the game

@@ekgbrolarekg1182 Since it does not exist an accurate tier list, it could be original, also it is cool to talk about all the characters even those who no one really played like Kai

Yea Like Other Low Tier Ppl no one touches! Man Stop Hyping me up..

You can go and look for his MKMeta video

İ’ve seen it multiple times actually

Besides 11, he's pretty unsafe right??? B4 is a high and a lot of his strings have punishable gaps in them

1124 has a gap, but you don't actually have to use the "2" part of it. 114 alone is the same thing, ends in a hard knockdown, prevents wakeups, and is completely safe, gapless. If I can condition my opponent to try to duck, I then just casually throw out his lightning fast shoulder charge here and there and bag a tidy baker's dozen percent of damage raw 114, 11, b4, and his pokes are all completely safe, if not 0 on block, and can be mixed in with a charge to catch the duckers. Basically what I do is this: whiff punish with a safe 114, then use the resulting HKD pressure to try for a roll uppercut or a charge or a partially-whiffed b4 or something

How? Seems more likely?

Probably nostalgia goggles since MKD was my first MK game and is still my fave, but I always loved Shujinko

Shujinko was broken af if I remember correctly

Young Shujinko is a badass hero design. Also Bruce Lee inspired like Liu Kang but different. I would love if they brought him back with an expanded move set.

He's actually really good in deception but in armageddon I don't know about him

shujinko as the archetypal wizened old martial arts master was a really good design, easily my favorite new addition to deceptions roster, even if he basically played like a reskin of kung lao from deadly alliance with a bunch of other characters special moves. taven and dagon on the other hand had the same problem as a lot of the characters they added in mk 4 and deception, aka just being way too generic looking

Can't wait to see 40+ dlc payments lol...

When it comes to the 3D Kharacters. The more humanoid and normal looking, the less interesting they were.

Yeah, I see your point. As much as I like Taven. His default design is the definition of lame 😑

I feel like they would have fared better in an adventure MK game

It's unused they cut it out the final game

I really like Daegon's design and personality, tbh

@@laurentiusmcmxcv His personality is generic bad guy like Frost but unlike Frost he can actually do stuff.

@@Euro.Patriot Ye Less generic than Taven at least, he was supposed to be an "older, wiser" kinda of character and all since he and Taven are twins and he's centuries older XD