Bespoke Post definitely has some good 💩

Good video but you need to upgrade your mic, it sounds like you are talking through a phone. sorry to sound negative.

It is first time I hear about that. While both were proposed to Poland. Most experts say to increase number of F-35. Poland has no money or reason to buy any of those two.

Surprising to hear the US is considering exporting the EX model, and not a country-specific down-graded version…..

Everything is OK but my god that "inventive" name. F-15 Eagle II.. WTF?? Was that the best USAF can do? What about Golden Eagle, Bold Eagle, Super Eagle, etc, etc..... I don't know what's up with Pentagon's naming schemes in the last 20 or so years.. The perfect example is the venerable Hellfire missile with the coolest name ever. And the replacement is named JAGM, freaking acronym (Joint air to ground missile).. Come on... We can't forget the F-35 Lightning II of course.. Have you ever heard anybody referring to the F-35 as the Lightning? Nope.. The pilot community has adopted a much cooler name for the F-35, calling it The Panther. I'm afraid to think about the name for the NGAD fighter that will replace the incredibly named Raptor... What can we expect? F-23 Chicken? Dung beetle? Coo-coo? WTF??

Agree. F15 shouldn't even be an option. Rather a chose between Eurofighter and Gripen, as they both are produced close by and have as good and even better features than F15EX..

@@mikkorenvall428 Like why? Poland use F-35, F-16 and FA-50. Which each cover different category. Poland literally do not need F-15, Typhon or especially Gripen.

Typhoon in theory should be a better option yet recent geopolitical turmoils showed that neither Italy nor Germany(Spain is questionable too) are reliable military partners for Poland. In such case F-15 is better option - mostly because paradoxically Poland has more common interests in Europe with the US than with France or Germany.

@@TheRezro Becuase all of those aircraft that you listed are not masters of their trades. F35 is a deep strike aircraft and would be key for potential invasions, F16 is a great small air fighters however its single engine is its downfall. FA-50 is a multiroll aircraft just like the F35 and there isnt anything the F35 cant do and do it better due to it being stealth. An F15 and Eurofighter are planes made for air domination meaning poland has an aircraft built from the ground up specifically for air combat. Not only that though it also means the integreation of new armaments, for example if poland takes the Typhoon they have access to Stormshadow a great stealth cruise missile, Meteor which is currently natos best Air to air missile which uses a scram jet engine to hit higher speeds and travel much further then almost all American missiles currently and they also have access to brimstone which is practically a javelin missile but can equip 3 for pretty much every hard point giving the aircraft about 12+ anti tank missiles maybe more. Not to mention they would have 2 very close allies being Germany and Italy who manufacter parts for typhoon making logistics insanely easy.

@@ashleygoggs5679 Most air combat in Poland would take place on relatively short ranges. F-15 and Typhon are excellent. But they are needed for larger style of combat expected from US. Poland can't really afford too many types and F-16 gradually go out of production, with F-35 being its direct replacement. FA-50 is armed trainer, intended to light F-16 and F-35 from less important tasks.

With how hesitant Germany was towards Russia before the invasion, I doubt Poland will trust Germany.

Aim 260, Peregrine and others are on the very near horizon for US fighters as well.

@@niweshlekhak9646 ...it can be - and the F15EX is a incredible machine also !... just needs to be supplied with the very best missiles too !...

@@jfiery Most us weapons are already integrated on the Typhoon.

@@joshafc41 agreed. Pretty much all of them. I was mainly commenting on the Meteor because it is the one weapon system that is better than anything the US currently fields.

Without ALE-55/ALE-70, the ALQ-249 (EPAWSS) is not likely 'digital stealth' good enough to get an F-15E to a distance where it can make use of it's payload superiority to do the deed with the likes of GBU-53. Once you get beyond the 10/2 cutoff the APG-82 doesn't help you and the F-15EX is still a 7-10m2 RCS airframe. AGM-158B/D are nice but they are also more than a 2 million, each. Similarly, while the DASS has TRD, without the full-up Praetorian mod, the Typhoon survivability package is not sufficient. And some parts of that system are UK only, under direct control of BAe without export through Eurofighter Gmbh. This is further aggravated by the lack of a standoff ARM. However; Typhoon has the SPEAR-3 which is, essentially, GBU-53 with a turbine and a genuine 100km capability, high or low. Thus it has the ALCM->GBU standoff option beat. The U.S. AARGM/SIAW kit is looking really good and would be a good fit (heavy missile, quite large but unlike AGM-88E/F, ejector launch capable) for the F-15EX but could also be brought in on the F-35 which also provides at least some DEAD options. Air to Air, without AIM-260, the Eagle is simply not competitive against the R-37M/R-77M. With it, the Meteor is still better but only once you accept the massive range:impulse variance in F-Pole. The ramAAM can get to distances comparable to the R-37M (for an EW protected fighter target) but most of that distance is going to be at an average Mach of 2.5 with only terminals at Mach 3+. The Mach 6.7 Axehead has an average Mach of 3.8 so, short of a massive improvement in EW (MALD-J or Swedish LALD) the Meteor is always going to be last to the A-pole. AIM-260 is worse, in that it is a Mach 5 class missile but only to max burn of 20-25nm, after which it has a Mach 3 midcourse to a (realistic) 40-50nm outer pole. Only if the AIM-260 or Meteor is qualified to the F-35, with Sidekick, will Poland be genuinely competitive, air to air, with the Russian MiG-31 and Su-35. It will likely be inferior, kinematically, to the Su-57 and S-400 with the 40N6, even then. The fact that the Typhoon has a genuine IRST should also not be ignored. On a purely geo-political level, Poland should remember 1939 and the desperate orders for Hurricanes and MS-406/D.520 which went unanswered. Having a little variety in your arms suppliers is never a completely bad idea. Logistically, doesn't matter, the U.S. has one of the best maintenance programs of any arms supplier and does so as a function of initial bed down contract. You will pay for the M&R guarantee because you won't get the jet without adequate 'NATO Plan' funded capabilities assurance. This includes quarterly threat updates and 24hr maintenance call centers with an engine and airframe representative usually in-country. Europe has nothing nearly so advanced and so their lower cost maintenance packages are not the deal they look to be. The big deal is going to be getting in on the ground floor of what I believe is going to be a major reshuffling/power struggle change in the dynamic of NATO, once Ukraine is not on the table and Biden is gone. Blowing up an allies' energy delivery system is just not done and if America is politely asked to exit SHAPE there will be big changes as the EU sets up it's own army and tries to bring some unity to the defense overhead. Streamlining the multiplicity of service commands into a common air force/navy/army/expeditionary system with shared logistics suppliers and competitive bid structures/buyouts will be a monumental change for Europe, well beyond what EADS tried to do. And about damn time. As a result of this, American companies will be increasingly locked out, even from being able to sub-contract European maintenance service/parts suppliers and that could make keeping American weapons systems functional a lot more difficult for countries with a large inventory of non-European weapons systems. Ukraine has basically become a giant Reset Button on East:West relations but it is also going to be a major driver on within-West assumptions of shared defense. If this comes with a breaking of the Dollar GRC status, being America's defense customer may flatly no longer be matter of practical concern as the bottoming out of the dollar purchasing power against things like exotic materials or subsystems/component sourcing may well destroy the America Inc. defense sales business model, altogether.

@@xyz-hj6ulyou’re saying all this like the F-35 fleet isn’t going to start turning Russian airbases and air defenses into scrap from the outset of any conflict. Russian aircraft will quickly lose their air defense bubble and will quickly find themselves operating without any real support. The F-15 is more than capable of defending Polish airspace while the F-35 does its thing. The Su-57 doesn’t even have enough units to form a full squadron and the S-400 has seemingly been defeated by every western missile platform in Ukraine.

I will point out that the engines are the same in the f-15ex as it is in the F-16. So as far as Logistics go you're reducing the number of engines that you have to deal with which when you factor in everything is a huge deal. So I don't think that the Euro fighter has the logistics edge that it may look like on the surface. *Edit for spelling and grammar

​@@alexalbrecht5768 First off, I don't believe Russia intends to invade NATO Europe. For much the same reason that it wouldn't invade after 1956 when Blue Danube signaled the arrival of an independent deterrent for the Brits. The Vanguard and the Triomphant both make any real threat of loss or breakout by the knackered nag of the Russian Tank Force all but laughable and I frankly question where Poland is getting the money to create the largest armed forces in Europe which they don't intend to use. Europe is in a severe economic recession which looks set to become a semi-permanent depression because our LNG is expensive as hell compared to the old Russian gaseous equivalent. And Poland is not Germany with all that industrial profit to afford a real army/navy/air force. This is important because when Germany asked for pricing data, the number which was quoted to them was 240 million, per jet. Poland's version shouldn't be any better. Which means that they are going to be lucky to maintain anything like a 20hr per mission, per month, training schedule. The F-15EX is going to be significantly cheaper to own and operate (85 million and 25,000 dollars per flight hour). The Typhoon, well... We'll just have to see. It's on the back side of a four tranche order with 'two of everything' and thus you are not going to see it get much cheaper because economies of scale just aren't there. Having said all of this, the truth is that the F-35 is going to be the one which has the natively low signature to do actual 'digital stealth' and the F-35 pilots online have even bragged about it, calling it 'the wormhole generator' as a means to justify bringing in JDAM droppers to less than 15km for release. The problem is that this is not how IAMDS work. The ADGE is dispersed. The missile TELs increasingly are not even battery-site associated with an engagement radar but depend on 4-5 surveillance systems which blink and use cooperative engagement multistatic trackfile synthesis to fire missiles which have their own radar (9M96E2, 40N6) or IR seeker (9M100) that lock on after an inertial midcourse. These systems are not going to be amenable to stealth because stealth is both aspect and band dependent on effectiveness. Certainly an F-35 is not going to be covering for any F-15EX _or_ Typhoon which tries to penetrate to JDAM/SDB distance and as soon as you go JASSM, the range of the XR (900km) is so great that you might as well skip the bus platform and just ground launch it. 85 million dollars buys 40 JASSM ground launch variants, 240 million dollars buys 120 such missiles. If you have satellites. If you have VLO reconnaissance UAS, then wasting money on an offensive strike warfare capacity, given how bloody minded the Poles are, is escalatory in a crazed fashion when the other side is the world's top nuclear state. If the Russians come West they only have three COGs: Novo Sibirsk, St. Petersburg and Moscow before they are a dysfunctional society. All of which can be reached from the Atlantic coast. Any Atlantic coast. If the Russians let us take Ukraine, their primary west-based nuclear deterrent could be struck, inside 5 minutes, from any PrSM or LRHW TEL, stripping them of their nuclear option. Their offensive was for defensive purposes. The West helping Ukraine is for offensive purposes. Not least because, if the Russians leave, the Ukrainians will commit genocide on the Lughansk and Donetsk and Crimean Russian populations. I do not trust the Europeans not to find an excuse to start another war. It is in their blood. They slit each other's throats for amounts of land we wouldn't call a county, let alone a country. And having been proven suckers before, why wouldn't we come charging in to bleed, a third time? Give them a robust surface to air defense capability but a very limited (no multi-cruise missile carrying long range strike bombers, no stealth pathfinders to target those missiles onto mobile targets) and maybe, when Biden is gone from office, we find the strength to save our populations from the consequences to an economic as much as military defeat, in Ukraine. If Europe goes down hard, economically, there will be no one to PAY FOR another Grand Alliance to face the next military threat, whomever it may come from. My bets are on the millions of MENA now overrunning Europe and setting up a criminal insurgency threat of enormous proportions. The Poles are relatively safe from that, because the Visegrad States knew better than to be colonized by the terror which is Islam. Sobieski Remembers. But it sincerely looks like they are setting themselves up to run a one-state war against Russia and, as NATO members, that must never happen. Nor even be entertained as possible.

Starfighter (F-104) though Poland was behind the Iron curtain at the time, politics plays just as big of a role as the planes capabilities. Right now the bulk of the capable equipment has been the M777, Himars, Javaline and Starlink. This isn't to deny how good other systems are but in comparison between the CV90 and M3 Bradley Ukrainian crews seem to enjoy the Bradley over the CV.

Indeed. Poland is in a good position. Many allies, many friends, economic growth and better demographics than Germany.

@@SeeLasSee What allies? Do you mean western EU that can't wait until going back to business as usual with ruZZia so ru can rebuild their military faster? Or did you mean USA which WILL betray Poland just as they betray UA? USA does NOT want anyone to defeat ru, because USA is affraid of the consequences. So ru knows that they WILL get sth from ANY war, USA will make sure that the victim has NO possibilitty of winning. Screw such 'allies'!!!

I'm interested in seeing what Poland does with the FA-50. It might make Boeing put some teeth in the T-7 Redhawk. I love Polish programming .... well..... I love Kingdom Come : Deliverance

@@rapidsqualor5367 plane to transport potatoes, a cheap plane for everyday air policing, chasing down lost missiles or Iranian drones, not so much for combat but for supporting roles

The FA-50 will probably be used as combat capable trainers.

F-15 is american way of thinking; "what's bigger, it's better". Two-engine figher in european evironment is pure nonsense.

@@podunkman2709, then why do European nations build so many?🙄 Two engines is more about redundancy, than anything else.🤷🏾‍♂️

you do know that almost every european fighter built in the last 75 years has 2 engines, right? in fact, its the americans who make the most single engine fighters.

😅😅 Fighters that have yet to see combat; Eurofighter. Fighters with a 105 W to 0 L combat record; F-15E. Hmmm, let me think.... 😅😅😅 I worked on the computer systems for the conformal fuel tank modifications to the F-15E in the mid-eighties for 3 years as a consultant to McDonnell Douglas. The F-15E is a beast, twin-engined, huge range of 1,200nm thanks to the conformal fuel tanks, rapid climb rate 50,000 ft/min, 60,000 ft high ceiling, and a speed of Mach 2.5, which makes it the world's fastest fighter jet, air supremacy, all weather, 2 seater. No one has ever shot one down because our pilots are the best and the F-15 is a flying tank. The F-15EX is as tough as a fighter plane can get.

@@elessartelcontar9415, well… I wanted to be humble, but that IS a damning stat.😁 Again, I think the strategy should dictate the choice. Given the terrain of most of Poland, I’d go with a more offensive strategy. Mobility isn’t really a problem. There aren’t as many natural features to aid defense, anyway. Not like Ukraine. That means EAGLE IIs, baby!😜 The only issues to work out are logistical. That can change a weapon’s suitability, even for a mission it was designed to perform. The Typhoon removes THOSE issues (only) as it can fire a few weapons the Eagle II can’t…yet. However, the decision must be made now. The ubiquity of that plane in that region, logistics pressures are eased. In truth, both planes are popular. However, defense as the main strategy, wartime conventional wisdom holds that the more local a thing is made, the easier it is to find parts to repair said thing. This strategy invites attempts at attrition.🧐 Again, the strategy should be considered, before that choice can be well made.🤷🏾‍♂️

Exactly!

the ex is well behind completion for the american airforce it would be decades before they will be exporting to other countries. all they would realistically get is f15e

dude, a lot of European countries already have the F-35 @@colinstevens6837

The EF too though. Their capabilities are very similar.

F-35 to take down enemey AA capability, then F-15 as fighter bomber.

I'd imagine any new Typhoons would come with modern AESA, look at the ones sold to middle Eastern countries and the newer variants recently purchased by European countries, they all have AESA's as far as I'm aware.

@@AB-gi3qy don’t think any production typhoon is flying with one yet. They have tested them. But introducing them into typhoons I don’t think I’d a thing yet. There are 3 different sensors. The UK AESA being the most sophisticated. Those have not been put into trench 3 RAF typhoons yet. Also the Germans don’t have one in their typhoons either I don’t think

AIM-260 JATM launched from F-35. First hit first kill.

@@butterwaffeln not in production yet

@@zhufortheimpaler4041 already tested

The Polish F-16s have been adapted for Meteor missiles. I imagine it's a doable task for the F-15EX too. But, it is an extra step that could be avoided.

@@sunray501 Polish F-16 can not carry Meteor. They might have experimented at some point but no, its not setup and able to carry and fire Meteor. Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen are the only jets currently setup to use Meteor.

COLD logic wins wars......

Yes. In case of US. Poland would not fight on ranges justifying use of F-15. Literally every expert in Poland say to buy more F-35.

Winning the fights should be your only consideration and if you remove other factors the choice is clear.

Typhoons do that already in the UK.

The USAF didn't "decide" to buy it, the USAF never wanted it. The Pentagon made them buy them when it was run by a former executive of Boeing (No corruption here!). As usual the public is propagandized and the military is forced to pay for welfare programs so executives holding stocks in defense companies get filthy rich.

​@@davedevonlad7402All of the American aircraft are data linked this way. The F-15 II is another crony-capitalism project for the Pentagon stock holders.

F-15 never fought a decent opponent by which I mean an air superiority fighter of the same generation, so all these promo talks in documentaries about the awesomeness of F-15 are just hot air. The early F-15 variant was an utter joke compared to Tomcat which clearly showed when Eagle was unable to shoot down a Mig-25 interceptor/recon jet over Israel without first luring it into lower altitude, and this changed only with AMRAAM missiles available a lot later after Eagle introduction into service. Personally, I think that Gripen E with Meteor missiles would be a far better fit for Poland considering experiences in Ukraine where even Mig-29 were found quite formidable as long as they were not destroyed on airfields, which both Mig-29 and Gripen E can deal with by operating from improvised airfields for which most of the US jets outside things like F-18E/F Superhornet aren't build for well enough. Just consider that Poland is a nation with a similar GDP to Sweden yet on an overspending spree as if planning to follow Greece's path to insolvency... If Poland wants to do the right thing to complement the F-35, they can just buy the Gripen E and perhaps ask for a stronger variant of the licensed engine used in the Gripen E from the US, so they can keep cozy relations with the US government by making purchasing choices that allows them to be a customer for a long time instead of going bankrupt...

@@IonorRea The F-15 fought in the 91 Gulf War which everything from Fox Bats to MiG 29s. The F-15 has a more accomplished record than the F-14 and easily outlived it.

The Eurofighter would have it just the same, after half a year. The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids. So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?

also possibel with the eurofighter, just needs certification from us and software update as with most nato standardized system + the companies do that also as a + point for selling them to get more buyers as the integration is easy same with israeli systems and many of korean,japanese, singapore systems

Track record Eurofighter VS F15 ???

link 16 is a nato data interoperability standard. more than just the americans can interact in that way.

Same engine as the F16. From a logistics and maintenance standpoint it makes the most sense.

​@@thetrainshopanother comment already pointed out that the engines are not the same. Polish F16 are an older variant.

the F15-EX is well behind completion the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.

@@jingorooroad2559 They'd more likely get the F-15SA.

With the corrupt PiS Government gone, I assume Poland will rather reenvigorate its ties with EU. With the corruption and autocratic tendencies gone, EU will pour 100s of Billions into Poland. The US is strong and all, but it won't do that.

@@heinzkabofke6791 I think you fail to see how Poland sees itself in security matters; Poland trust the US to have its back, it doesn't trust the EU (Germany) to have the same commitment; especially with how Germany was hesitant towards Russia

It’s the only choice

they already bought F35A, Abrahms, HIMARS, Apache, etc. to US that's enough to strengthen its partnership

@@delfinenteddyson9865 In the end, Poland will pay it with EU-Money as biggest beneficiary of the EU. So they should at least make sure that their welfare money stays in the EU.

have we forgotten about the Russian Mig-25 and Mig-31 (Mach 3 capable but with a complete engine change) which are seen on satellite photos stationed in Crimea I believe.

Forget about speed since it’s not a mission critical requirement and with any external load you’re limited anyway.

MIG 25 and MIG 31 are Interceptors. They fly fast and high, that's it. They can't Dogfight and they are not set up for ground attack or carrying enormous payloads.

@@Grouse2275 sustained speed IS important when we are talking about BVR which the F-15EX most definitely will be fulfilling. Having the launch aircraft have as high a speed and altitude as possible gives your missile that much more range and energy. It literally adds on to the missile's performance and thus capable of out ranging enemies. This is useful today and in to the future as BVR becomes the norm especially with the F-35 being the stealth sensor system while the EX being a missile truck from far away.

Latest EF variant also has a powerful ASEA radar. Instead of pointing out capabilities on one side you should maybe compare the. This is not a "how much do you like America" contest.

Thank you!!!! Very, very close.

Sounds like someone didn't watch the video all the way through as both these points were mentioned as being similarities between the two airframes. If your going to pick something as your argument for one aircraft over the other at least make it something that they differ in.

Cant that be integrated on the Typhoon?

The F-15 II is a crony-capitalism project. The majority of the public is too lazy to research any military procurement 😂

Sir, that radar cross-section statement is an insult to barns everywhere!

Thank you! Very close to 100k as you say, can’t believe it!

@dne9394; Sir, that's what the F-35s were made for, to QB while using other assets to complete an extremely effective "kill chain". That been said, the F-35s are in the block 4 improvement meaning that like any new Weapons Platform it'll continue to get better and more effective as time passes by. Take care Sir.

I need to do a KF-21 video soon, greetings from Texas!

KF-21 is not in production as yet for SQN use

The Gripen is just a better F16. I think they are looking for a twin engine platform.

The EF is clearly the one for AIR Superiority. Not the Eagle?

@@Schupfnudel111maybe for dogfighting. The radar, speed, and payload capacity on the eagle make it the logical choice. That and the absurdly long airframe lifespan.

​​@@alexalbrecht5768The Typhoons Radar 2, BVR, ECM and electronic attack capabilities are all superior to what the F15 has to offer. Not to mention sustained supersonic performance.

@@joshafc41 The AN/APG-82(V) 1 uses proven components and is designed to make maintenance a non issue. What real advantage can the Captor E offer? The new fully digital EPAWSS system offers comprehensive ECM capabilities to allow the F-15 to dominate the skies. The marginal super cruise of the Eurofighter is still inferior to the ability of the F-15 to reach its target faster when the need arises. Time is of the essence when it comes to intercepting and destroying enemy aircraft. And as I mentioned before the airframe lifespan difference is immense. The F-15 is designed for a service life of 20,000 hours. That is more than 3 times the 6,000 hours of the Eurofighter. Why should Poland waste their money on a maintenance intensive fighter that will be out of service after a fraction of the operating time?

Ha! The mythical performance of the F-15! The Mach 2.5 speed it’s probably ever reached a handful of times with no payload! And how long can it sustain that speed? 5 minutes? There’s no way it covers long distances faster without supercruise. And that second magical number: the 20,000h airframe! That just says the airframe should survive a prolonged use. It doesn’t tell you how much it costs for all the rest to be in flying condition. Apparently the official number is $29,000 an hour. But until it is actually used, it’s just a guess. And who knows if it’ll be easy to upgrade. The airframe life on his own doesn’t mean that much…

Yep, 20000 flight hours for each airframe is insane

well the FA-50PL covers the Training and low cost Air Patrol, F-35 covers NATO and first strike, the 36 F-16 and 12 F-16D are a stopgap, SU-22 small bomber and Mig-29 multirole fighters, all 3 are in the end going out. 32 F-15EX cover more then the Typhoon and in the long run having 32 F-15EX heavy bomber/fighter is good thing as Poland feet will be 10 tactical squadrons 2 F-35, 3 FA-50, 2 F-15EX and 3 F-16 that will replaced with 3 KF-21PL

@@1BigBen Bielik and Orlik are covering training. FA 50PL will be light multi roll fighter with AESA radar. For F16 modernization is planned and its not a stopgap .If Poland buys more equipment, it will probably be another 16 F35s. And don't forget that 700 MLRSs are something for Poland that should perform tactically similarly to the A10 or SU 25

@@julianizydorczak5258 Bielik didn't go anywhere and Orlik is getting old, the FA-50 is the standard trainer for must modern fighter and reason behind 16 of them will be used as trainers for the F35, now PZL Mielec F-16PLV is still a big a question mark and unlike, but current Polish F-16 are Block 52 aircraft 2006-9 and could be upgraded with some part from PZL Mielec, KF-21PL would offered more than F-16PLV for the future for Poland. there are really just 3 tank killing CAS jets in the world SU 17/22/24 etc old and kept in the air with used parts only, it is EOL Panavia Tornado is being retired in 2024/25 ether going to Ukraine or be scraped A-10 staying in service, but will not be sold that is why Poland is buying 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters even with Rheinmetall F-35 production 32 +16 or +32 will take to much time even with PZL Mielec more F-16 will also take to much time Boeing says 3 to 4 years to delivered all 32 F-15EX there are 48 used Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1 coming to the used market it would be fasted way to get 2 new squadrons in training and to the air new Eurofighter Typhoon could take 4 to 10 year to delivered all 32 jet 2026 Poland could sign a deal for KF-21 with jet start coming between 2027-30 its not a easy choose today feet 36 F-16c, 23 Mig-29 and iffy 32 SU-22

a lot of bias going on in these posts, americans of course batting for f15

@@brianpreval5602 Well, I can't vote for the F-16XL now can I 😁

yes it is, i really like the f15 but i'm biased as well being a brit and having worked on typhoon! they are both great aircraft and the polish government are on a win win whichever they choose

The smartest choice is always their own economy; Eurofighters best for that, and it has much better thrust/weight, a bit of stealth, way higher surface ceiling and is way more maneuverable. It would win in a heads-on BVR confrontation and in a Dogfight. The F-15 would be better for large bombing raids. So question is: Air Superiority or Bombing ?

@@lantinian The F15-EX is well behind completion for the murica AirForce, so it would be decades before they'll be exporting it to other countries. All they would realistically get is F15 Eagle.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I’m not sure how they can carry hypersonic missiles since the U.S. don’t have any!?!? They surely will be able to… some time in the future! But so will the Typhoon if it’s still around and most other planes!

Makes sense with what they already have.

meteor?

@@carlosandleon They could strap meteors on them if needed i think, and also the aim 260 is upcoming.

typhoon and f15ex are not smart choices. if i were them i would say no to both deals and either work on increasing the buy of more f35, or go for one of the european 6th gen fighters. f15ex is a piece of boeing ass trash.

Nice range but super expensive. I don't see why Meteor could not be integrated with F-15EX in the future. @@carlosandleon

They're up to six now I think.

The coffee cup in runway length needed is negligible. Look it up

@@jordanmascarenhas7974 F fifteen e x usually requires eight thousand to ten thousand feet of runway to take off The Euro fighter Typhoon typically takes 2500 to 3000 feet are runaway to take off. That's a pretty sizable amount. In my opinion, obviously, this would vary depending on how much the aircraft is carrying. But considering the fact that everybody sees the F15EX as a missile and bomb truck. I don't see it taking off on short or improvised runways anytime soon.

The F15 can do everything the Typhoon can do but better? The Typhoon is a superior air to air platform in every way.

@joshafc41 with the limited amount of open source material that's out there for both the aircraft I think it's pretty easy to see that the F15 Has an edge over the Euro fighter in both air-to-air and air to ground. The F15 can fly higher, faster and farther than the Euro fighter Typhoon can. It has more Pylon's on the jet giving it the ability to carry more munitions per sortie It Can carry significantly more internal fuel. It has a significantly higher max, take off weight. Higher thrust to weight ratio. The Euro fighter is good at some things. It's just not better at them than it is the F15. It's more maneuverable and they can take off from improvised runways. That's all I can think of.

​​​@@AmirShafeekIt's literally just a function of loading. Takeoff roll is proportional to weight^2. A clean light F-15A at (29000 lb) will lift off in 400 feet. The main reason the EF rated takeoff roll is shorter is mostly because it has a lower max payload.

F35 is not an air superiority fighter though, That's the issue, neither is the f15ex. The eurofighter is designed for Primarly A2A, think Poland needs that more. Find my post here, I go into detail.

F35 is made for air superiority, along with other missions. If not, it could not, and would not, be sold to «one fighter»-air forces.

@@tbo2307 F-35 is a multirole attack aircraft, it is not an air superiority fighter. It was originally designed to complement the F-22, which IS an air superiority fighter(sadly, a limited production run means that the Raptor's fate is already sealed). One-fighter air forces go for the multirole aircraft since it does a lot of jobs reasonably well even if it doesn't excel at any of them.

That is a factor that seems a valuable insight. If the typhoon can help lead Poland into getting into getting into one of the joint 6 gen programs, then that would be helpful for their defense in the long term.

@@mill2712 Yep. The US did not export the F-22, so I don't think the US will let the NGAD fighter to be sold to Poland.

Suspect former Eastern European countries won't be as susceptible to US 'persuasion' . They remember living under communist rule before and will want planes quickly. For all the arguing going on, the US have only built 6 F15EX airplanes so far and Poland need to rearm now. I hope the UK just give Poland the tranch 1 Eurofighters with Meteors which they can give to Ukraine. Ukrainian pilots have been training with the RAF which could now make sense. Poland can buy the newer models with source code and upgrade them as they see fit. May also be an opportunity to join the UK, Italy and Japan on the Tempest program.

I know the F15EX will be stationed in Klamath Falls Oregon at Kingsley Field. All F15EX pilots will receive their flight training there.

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Typhoon can be purchased from Italy or UK or Spain or Germany. Poles will decide which will be tge lead contractor and look for local participation offset plus participation in long term development eg Tempest.

True but the share of German-made components in the planes will remain as is (that's part of the agreement between partners) so that means Germany will have a say in Poland's Typhoons (as for example it is blocking Typhoons' sales to Saudi Arabia, although it would never block sales to a EU country of course), so politics may remain an issue, even if the new government is far more tolerant to Germany than the previous one. Under the current Eurofighter's consortium agreement, there is very little they could offer to Poland as counterparts, future Eurofighter's development currently is blocked unless Germany actually buys new planes, and that's not sure at all@@michaelmazowiecki9195

@@VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh replacement Typhoon orders are being placed as the oldest ones end their service. I suspect further upgrades will take place as Tempest 5/6gen development costs become prohibitive. As for Germany's role German manufacturing is looking for firm orders. We are getting rid of the lunatic populist government of the past 8 years here in Poland and fully committing to both EU and Nato. Buying European makes both economic and political sense. The question is Typhoon or Rafale or Gripen.

The typhoon doesnt even have an aesa radar yet.

@@bigmike9128 well that settles it. IRST it seems is the only thing the Typhoon has over the EX and even then, the EX can be equipped with an IRST pod

@@bigmike9128 The latest typhoon variants have the most advanced AESA radars

@@tonikaihola5408compare RCS between the 2.

@@ghostviggen Poland already has F35 and F16 so I don’t think that’s the main consideration

There’s so much wrong with this post I can’t start , no disrespect please research the Typhoon and it’s capability 🥴

I agree, thanks for saving me from the rage typing ;) In a dogfight the Typhoon just crushes F-15...no disrespect to the Eagle which is a fine aircraft. The ECCM suite on the Eurofighter is scary voodoo stuff. One day we'll get to see it in Air-to-Air action, I hope :)@@raven-wf9so

@@GM-fh5jp the F-15 EX has a 5th Gen inspired ECM suite. It is more than capable of matching the Eurofighter. The F-15 is faster, less expensive, and has an airframe lifecycle more than 3 times longer than the Eurofighter. The simple reality is the Eurofighter has the cost of a 5th gen fighter without the performance and is therefore a poor choice in nearly every conceivable circumstance.

@@raven-wf9so Typhoon should be the greatest fighter ever. Sorry to have a opinion based on facts.

@@GM-fh5jp Typhoon is the greatest ever. Sorry to have an opinion.

@@M3rl1n177 Finland doesnt have F-15s. The backbone of the Finnish Air Force is F/A-18 Hornet.

Meteor and Scalp are probably at least as useful as their american counterparts...

OK but the eurofighter has access to more advanced missiles

I struggle to see many where it beats the latest versions of the Typhoon being flogged conclusively. Happy to be proven wrong, but other than sheer number of hard points I don’t think it’s the superior platform.

It really is wild that the F-15EX has such a powerful radar, but doesn't have competitive BVR missiles to take full advantage of it (yet). @@guitar7279

@@rickwalker2 F-15 EX II can carry 22 missiles, while Typhoon can carry upto 8 missiles. The F-35 can tell F-15 EX II where the dangers are with it's stealth, radar and IRST capabilities and F-15 can just launch missiles towards that direction.

It's the other way around even the F15 ex lags behind the current version of the Typhoon in many areas. The upgrades in the pipeline for the Typhoon will give it additional capabilities the F15 ex can only dream of.

The AIM-260 is the AMRAAM replacement and combines a very long range with hypersonic capability and multi-sensor seeker.

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Poland needs to keep ability of taking off from short runways or roads. The F15 doesn't come with that capability. They need the Euro fighter. I 100% agree that the F15 is, the more capable. Yet it just lacks in a very crucial area.

@@AmirShafeek in a time of war the euro fighters would all be there anyway. Flexibility is key now days.

@@Jason_g_kennedy I didn't really think of that. I thought that the Polish government would slowly retire to the Europe. Fighter tiphone and the mig 29 to replace them with a better American aircraft if they were to buy the F15.

Both old 4.5 gen

​@@LeonAusteven the J-20 is 12 years old, the Su-57 is 13, and the F-35 is 17. The original design/first flight of a modern version of a 4.5/4++ is of little relative relevance compared to the relevance of the modernization of avionics and hardware

top speed hasn't been important for 50 years

Although the Eagle has a high 'dash' speed when clean. It can't 'supercruise' with a full warload, whereas the Typhoon can at around mach 1.5. The Typhoon can also almost anything in the US arsenal aswell as everything Europe has to offer.

That's true but the current funded upgrades in the pipeline for the Typhoon are more advanced than either F35 or F15.

You failed there. Both the top speed and the climb rate of the F-15 are superior to the Eurofighter. The climb rate of the F-15 is 342 Meters per second. The Climb rate of the Eorofighter is 315 Meters per second. You kinda failed there.

@@wadopotato33 You do realize those figures are for completely different loading configurations, right? The F-15 figure is for a light and completely slick F-15C, not a fat combat loaded F-15EX. Meanwhile the EF figure is for a interceptor loaded configuration (which includes 6 msl + centerline drop tank) So please, come again...

It's true there are an increasing number of politicians who take Putin's position on all issues, incredibly, even anti-American positions. But even at the very, very lowest common denominator of alliance, most American politicians see allied territories as a useful buffer zone if nothing else. [edit] And I have to add that in my experience most Americans are fine people who do love foreigners.

F15 is a good choice for another 20 to 30 years considered what the potential adversaries will throw at You. F15 is more than a capable platform for decades to come.

But Poland is not very trusting of the French and Germans, Spaniards and italians, and I can see why. In fact, Germany was instrumental in the Ukraine war happening in the first place since the Germans kept buying Russian gas right up to the point where they simply could not anymore. I know France is not in the EF program, but placing an order on the EF is still to cast your lot with Europe, especially the Germans, and casting ones lot with Europe means having to rely on the French to a higher degree than if you just consistently cast your lot with the US. As it stands, IMO only a fool would trust the Germans and the French in a cold or hot war with Russia, so stick with the US and the UK. Far as I can tell, Poland has always adviced caution that just wasn't heeded. Fact of the matter is, If Poland or the Baltics ever end up in a cold or hot war with Russia, they will simply look to the US for aid, and not Europe. So politically, the F15 EX makes infinitely more sense while technically, the EF is probably as good if not slightly more modern even. But F15 EX is what makes the most sense regardless. The One Political selling point for the EF might be the UKs heavy involvement with it, and why are also an OKish ally to have, but nothing that compares to the US at the end of the day.

Especially as regardless they'll be paying for it with EU money

As great as the 35 is, there are some roles a 4th gen is better suited to do such as missile truck missions and more lower priority missions. Many F-35 customers won't have it as the only plane in their air forces and 4th gens probably have less restrictions as well.

@@mill2712 the eagle 2 is more expensive than the f35 isn't it? Yes it carries like 30k lbs payload, but the f35 in a not stealth config is at 22k. An all missile payload is much less, and Poland doesn't exactly need the extended range beyond theoretically striking Moscow, 1300km, from Warsaw. F35 combat radius is like 1100km on only internal fuel isn't it? I just don't get it

The EX are very different then the F-15 in the old days.

They will most probably get the new AIM-260 for both the F-35 and F-15. Though it shouldn't be a problem to integrate most NATO weapons if need be.

That's more a scenario one would imagine with the German Typhoon but alright.