Thats what you get when socialists are in charge.

You can hardly call Helen Clark your Govt. She's a Traitor working for the UN and WEF

and what will we use them for? we have planes replacing other planes soon, we dont need fighter jets.

@@cupcakkexpeaches2217 we do need fighter jets because we have nothing else that can deliver air to ground attacks which save lives,

@RayFire Indeed, F-16s. Or possibly the new F-15EX will have a fair fighter-wing for us

Bringing them back would be the best idea now

Hello old Account@@A-Skyhawk. We have a few options and ima outline them. Lease/buy The Draken fleet. Lease the RAAF's legacy hornets. Buy Argentina's A-4AR's

now we have another terrible hag running the country

Jacinta is worse

@RayFire Oh boy.

Jacinda to you@@mattyallen3396

@@mattyallen3396 Jacinda, learn to spell ,clown!

Unbelievable...that would have been amazing.

@@MPT1983 not sure why the Singapore Air Force were declined. Might have been noise pollution or something. NZ could have made some kind of deal with Singapore to permanently base their Air Force here in return for providing defense, train NZ pilots and work with the NZ defense force.

@@wellingtonian2009 Actually from memory I do remember residents of Sanson concerned about noise.

@@MPT1983 fuck them.

​@Matt83 who the hell wouldn't want to head jets

One look at Helen Clark would cause the most fierce enemy to turn tail and flee.

@@tomraw4893 If the US wants to defeat the Taliban again all they have to do is send in Helen Clark.

history repeats 20 years later.

@The Mad MGTOW If China was to invade the south pacific New Zealand would be forfeit. Australia the United States and the United Kingdom would not come to New Zealand aid and the dominion of New Zealand would be given to China. The reason why I say this is that New Zealand does not allow nuclear weapons, nuclear ships or nuclear submarines to defend herself. New Zealand new alllies would be using mediaeval technology.

Dont you mean halfwit.

@@colinmeehan791 LOL, 👍

we never needed fighter jets

Execept the a-4s still had plenty of use left in them

They had first rate equipment and killed a lot of newer dedicated fighters when they were grounded. They're still flying today.

The air sea gap should be protected with multirole fighters and frigates, not propeller trainers and Off Shore Patrol Vessels.

They were dropping bombs the day they said this as well

If there’s gonna be any jet it should be the F-16 they’re cheap look cool and we need one nation per continent to have them

@@gerogegerog5926 continent?

I don't know. The MQ28

Very good read and one every voting age Kiwi should read.. iginal Articles New Zealand's Defence Policy: From Realism to Idealism? David McCraw Pages 19-32 | Published online: 30 Mar 2008 Download citation doi.org/10.1080/14751790801903194

@@adriansammons9011 ​ Hi Mate, I read that a while ago and forgot to mention it so thanks for that. There is another, it's Dr Peter Greener's 'Timing is Everything'. It's something I would highly recommend. It's essentially about the politics of NZ defence and procurement decision making of that time. It's incredibly informative, well researched but for me I came away somewhat incensed and has lead me to conclude there is a generational issue. Not to boomer bash but by god they are deplorable. Their legacy can be felt even today......

@@huiarama She mentions craped out aircraft. We'll she finally knows what being craped out mean. You guys talk a lot of crap also. And thank labour government for turning our once free, green, peaceful and beautiful country to crap. When was the last time you heard this lot of losers talk about the economy in NZ. For f@@k sakes wake up losers.

@@gregbradley9130 Hi Greg, Not sure what you are trying to say here, but if I may, yes the A4 Skyhawks were old. In fact, our first batch were procured in 1970. That being said, they were significantly upgraded by New Zealanders for New Zealanders. The effort, craftsmanship and skill by those NZers is unbelievable. So much so the company that now owns them in the 2020s, attest to the skill and craftsmanship. I can respect to disagree, you are entitled to your opinion but lets at least be constructive and respectful. Trolling I am afraid doesn't help out people like me to understand where you are coming from.

Hi Simon, sorry that I plaster your thread as I wanted to put it as a stand alone post.a new one. I used to be in the air force and have never forgiven the labour government for removing the strike wing. Anyway regret to have offended you. Not sure how to move the post you ma delete if you know how to. Regards.

we never needed them, were a country thats in the ocean not connected by land

@@cupcakkexpeaches2217 SHHHHHHHHH! YOU NEED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE COOL!

@RayFire I get that people want our army to be strong but you have to come to the fact that our army is probably never going to purchase fighter jets ever again, unless something happens, but I dont think were ever gonna have fighter jets.

@RayFire Can’t wait for the election next year. Labour woman have always fucked this country… Sad to think even with a pro fighter parliament, will still take years and years until we see any form of strike capability returned to our shores.

She was at the protest in the 70's when they arrived in NZ. She should never have been allowed to de claw the RNZAF due to her own personal beliefs.

Politicians never keep their promises. I remember National vowing to reinstate our air combat wing if they were voted back in. If we decided to do that now it would take years for the aircraft to finally arrive and then add another several years to train our pilots and ground crew totalling probably ten years.

Nah, i strongly think that f/a-50s or gripens are our best options

@@That-Moto-Guy I sometimes wish we Brits would! I do like Russian combat aircraft. I wish we could base Typhoons in your country to help protect New Zealand and for our two nations to work more closely together.

There's no chance that we will be allowed to acquire su30s, personally I think the best option would to buy up the f18s that Australia are phasing out, that way we can still purchase the proper armament for them without another full remodel.

@@thegtgeek the Australian F 18's are forty years old and I read somewhere the Canadians are buying them.

​@@That-Moto-Guy why not Russian aircraft are beautiful

I think you meant to say Helen Clark betrayed New Zealand, Australia, and the whole world. She should be tried for treason

Since 1940's China Indonesia ( Borneo) Chinese fishing vessels Indonesia ( East Timor) War on Terror

And yet they never lowered taxes did they?

@RayFire The best defense strategy for New Zealand is neutrality. We have no borders with anyone, no conflict of interest and we dont need to always just tag along with allies in their murderous adventures. Iraq war was a sham, the US was after the oil and lets face it, it created more terrorists than before the war, not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent lives taken including women and children. The war in Afghanistan was also a sham because the reasons for the war changed multiple times, first to eliminate Taliban, then Al Qaida then it was to establish democracy, then women's rights, all bulls**t excuses. They wanted to steal the minerals there and have a base close to China, India, Pakistan and Russia - all nuclear nations. In the end the US made deals with Taliban. Hundreds of thousands killed, bombing of weddings, murder of women and children all for no end result. Taliban are way stronger than they were before the invasion. We need no part in these dirty wars. In regards to 'unidentified' aircraft flying over NZ, who would be flying this far down, and you know the rage of fighter jets is very limited. Unless you are talking about aliens, in that case our jets wont make a difference anyways. I mean if they have the technology to travel millions of light years, they can take out any jet we may have.

@@ailmlvr5905 yeah that worked really well for Belgium too. A beligerant nation does not care if you are neutral. They will get what they want. Would you slso sit by and let a country take the worlds freedoms away? Would you fight for your rights?

The same reason Switzerland and Sweden have capable air forces. To deter any possible agression so it never happens!

Shes a fucking communist idiot I dont think she ever cared about nz. She was just focussed on her path to the UN

NZ , history is repeating itself , you’ve got another Socialist Pacifist as a leader. Another round of defence budget cuts?

Adrian Sammons at least they stuck with the p8 deal but yeah, wouldnt surprise me 😕

New Zealand's Defence Policy: From Realism to Idealism? Article in Defense and Security Analysis 24(1):19-32 · March 2008 with 42 Reads  DOI: 10.1080/14751790801903194 Cite this publication David McCraw David McCraw

Logan Taylor you got to read this before you vote ... written in 2008. New Zealand's Defence Policy: From Realism to Idealism? Article in Defense and Security Analysis 24(1):19-32 · March 2008 with 42 Reads  DOI: 10.1080/14751790801903194 Cite this publication David McCraw David McCraw