Thanks for your comment! I'm glad you like the presets :)

Sweet, let me know what you think! Please share your custom settings if you find any good ones yourself!

Thanks, glad you like them and the time I spent on them is not wasted! In case you're making further improvements on the presets please let me know!

Thanks! In the beginning I also thought there was something wrong with the GR III I had bought used. By now I've had a few GR III's...tried to like it but always went back to the GR. The direct comparison in this video has made it final for me...I will stick to my "old" camera until they come out with something better.

Thank you! I think there are some videos out there on the different presets but these comparison videos take a lot of work. This one was more of a passion project of mine as I wanted to find out for myself where the difference lie. Maybe I'll do a follow up when the GR IV comes out 😉

Thank you very much :) The GR II is a fantastic camera! For me the GR III was a downgrade to my beloved GR.

@@JakobIglhaut Is the Positive Film on the GR II more like the original Positive Film on the GR?

Positive Film on the GR II is exactly the same as on the GR.

Thanks for the nice comment! Cycling and the GR are a great match!

Well aren't those the best interests?! Photography, biking and nerding around! Thanks for your comment! I've watched a few of your videos and really liked them! When I "upgraded" to the GR III, I was a little underwhelmed by the outputs so I had to put it head to head against my trusty GR. The GR III is not a bad camera by any means, but it doesn't seem to hold the same magic as the previous GRs.

Good choice to hold onto the ii, I have the GR and only because i searched high and low and couldn't find ONE GRii, some times some local shops will list one and it'll be quickly snatched up while the GR and GRiii have plenty of second hand stock so I 'm guessing the GRii so the model that people want to hold onto.

@@dunkyourdonuts2282 Is there the same difference in Positive film in GRii as in GRiii or it is still the same like in the original GR?

Thanks! That's the best one to get right now, in my opinion ;)

Freut mich :)

Oh wow thanks man! I've watched a fair share of your videos and dig your style and humour!

Thanks for your comment! There are a few good Lightroom presets out there mimicking film but none I like as much as the Positive Film effect on the GR. I don't like walking but maybe I'll do a photo ride ;)

It’s sad to think that it will most likely die. My GR1 did but GRDIv still going strong! 💪🏾

Haha I have it in front of me right now, not sure I will have time to make a review though.

Thank you for your nice comment! I feel you...since I made this video I've tried many cameras but I keep going back to the GR II. Every time I shoot with it I get some keepers. If you're in Europe I'll sell you a GR II. I have some "in stock" ;)

Hey! Would you have another extra by any chance? I sent you an Instagram message request. Cheers

I take that as a compliment ;) unfortunately, I don't have time to make videos at the moment. I had watched some of your videos in the past, the ones on the GRD I in particular, and really enjoyed them!

I've succumbed, I bought a Ricoh GR MK1.....

Awesome, it's the way to go ;) still my favourite and most used camera to date! Looking forward to your video on it!

I believe you're right about the tone curve. It seems that Ricoh has changed the default setting of the effect on the GR III resulting in a darker image. This can be adjusted with the high/low key setting of the Positive Film effect making the two cameras more comparable in terms of exposure.

Haha thanks! And you're right about that, the GR is simply fantastic!

Actually, I agree. Indoors the GR 3 outperforms the GR 2. The step-up in high iso capabilities is really noticeable, though I don't see a significant difference in autofocus performance. Auto white balance is better on the GR 3 indoors too, which becomes very apparent for skin tones.

Thanks for your comment! Positive Film just looks better on the GR/GR II. I'm actually seeing more and more people making the switch from the GR III back to these older versions, simply for this reason. Unfortunately I don't know of any Capture One recipe for Positive Film. Let me know if you find one!

Maybe to claim higher iso in the specifications, the GRIII has less sensitivity for the same iso value entered in the settings.

:) Thank you! Seems like we all have the same taste. Not many people here prefer the GR III over the II...and actually I'm getting a similar impression from watching the second hand market, almost seems like people are making the switch back.

@@JakobIglhaut but i sold my gr2 to someone and i actually call her back and ask if she dun like it i am willing to buy it back. The answer is: i m happily using it and thank you for selling it to me. Anyway i m going to purchase a brand new gr2 soon. We still have it in Hong Kong.

Thanks mate! Let me know what you think of the preset. I'd be curious to try yours as well! My presets are for Lightroom.

Thanks! I haven't, since I have sold my GR III.

Thank you :) For all travel photos I showed I had the settings on 5, 6, 7.

@@JakobIglhaut Can I ask what settings you're referring to here? (Great video btw!)

@@jacknewthoughts these are my adjustments on the positive film effect on the GR II. On the GR III the settings are different

Unfortunately that's my feeling too. The GR images, despite being technically inferior, transport more atmosphere than the images from the GR III.

Every time I decide I’m going to sell my GRDiv I change my mind. I just can’t do it😊

@@alanpayne7656 I know. It's nuts, isn't it? 😂

@@tomfenn7149 I bought the x70 to replace my broken GR1 but most of the time I grab the grd when I leave the house. I think I might sell the x70 and take another chance with a GR2 😬

It sounds like the same issue! ND is turned off but still seems to be mechanically activated. I don't have a solution unfortunately... I've actually just retired that camera and switched to one that I bought in as new condition.

Have both the GRII (agree with the dust, what a pain...) and X70. X70 is a nice camera too, you should enjoy it (and you can use the Nisi filter kit, or circular ND/else filter on both, same ring adapter size). Better noise and DR on the Fuji, and I kind of prefer the Jpeg colors out of the box. The GR has always more difficult with color rendering in post vs the Fuji, be it Raw or Jpeg.

Hi Simon! That's awesome, 200€ for a GR II is a sweet deal! I've paid about 250€ on average for my GRs. At one point I owned a GR II and the files looked pretty much identical to my older GR, however the screen was rendering colours differently so I switched back to buying used GRs. It's not worse, just wasn't what I'm used to. Wifi is a nice addition on the GR II although compared to a USB C card reader connected to my phone transfer speeds are really slow. Image transfer speeds via Wifi was improved in the GR III though. For the comparison the ND filter was off on both cameras, although I now found out that knocking my GR it randomly activates so I'm thinking of replacing it. I agree, the GR III's are leaning towards the digital look, maybe even sonyish ;) I would still prefer it over any Fuji though! Grüße!

@@JakobIglhaut Thanks for your reply! Yes I got really lucky, but I was on the look out for almost a year now for an affordable GR II. I would have gone for a GR I as well, but there wasn't any cheap one popping up. I guess except the WiFi, they are pretty much the same aren't they? Maybe I'll get one in the future for a comparison. I totally agree, I haven't used Fujis much, but I much prefer Ricohs colour profiles over the Fujis. Fuji to me looks more like a filter, also a bit overdone in some cases. Ricohs colour profiles look a lot more organic and natural, more film like. I usually shoot quite a lot of film too. Have you ever used a Ricoh GR Digital, the predecessor of the Ricoh GR? In my opinion they produce the most beautiful colours despite their smaller sensor. CCD sensors in general produce amazing colour when compared to CMOS sensors. Also it's grain noise isn't too ugly. Great cameras and a lot cheaper than the GR if you get lucky. If only the newer GRs where more reliable when it comes to malfunction, dust, rain and so on. And I wish they would shoot decent video but I guess, this would increase the body size to a point, where it wouldn't be the same concept anymore. Oh and another thing I'd miss on the GR III is the built in flash. Which by the way, sony's build in flashes and the fact that you can tilt them upwards with one finger in my opinion is one of the best inventions since the invention of the camera. To be able to quickly bounce flash, wether it be for a quick image of something you want to sell on eBay or in portrait situations, makes for a much more pleasing look if you need it.

@@daurye92 GR and GR II are the same camera except for Wifi and when I compared them side by side I noticed that the screen on the back renders colours differently. At one point I owned a GRD IV and loved the outputs but the on/off and autofocus speed was a step down from my GR so I sold it. Weather sealing on a GR would be the dream of course but I get why they can't do it with the extending lens design. Regarding video....well Sony RX100's are known for decent video and as far as I know they are even smaller than the GR. For images with flash I sometimes take my FlashQ Q20 II with me, which is an awesome little flash that you can shoot off camera or on camera, tilt up for bouncing light off ceilings and I love that it can be charged via USB.

@@JakobIglhaut I'll definately look into the Q20 flash, the only downside though to me is, that for travels, it takes almost as much space as the camera itself. The RX100 and many other sony cameras are great for video indeed, but the RX100 has a much smaller sensor compared to the Ricoh GR and it has the "sony colours" unless you want to shoot in log and then post process. Also the RX100 is pretty expensive in my opinion. Not sure if Ricoh will even bother developing the video capabilities of the GR any further since it is a tough market. And even Smartphones can take pretty decent video these days. I want to move away from post processing though and want to try to use a digital camera more like an analogue film camera. It's just a lot more fun to shoot in my opinion and it is not much fun to post process.

@@JakobIglhaut For the sake of being complete, the GRII also has a bigger buffer than the GR. Shooting in JPEG it would be very hard to feel the difference, if you shoot RAW and tends to shoot a lot/quickly it may fix the lag blamed in some reviews of the GR. I use the WiFi on my GRII a lot, I think it works good. The original webapp was criticized back then but it's actually really evolved and can be used on any device with a browser, including your Linux computer if you don't want to use your smartphone or a proprietary OS. But people prefer dumb native app that favorise the uniformity of the smartphone industry, oh well. Image Sync works ok to simply download the images on your smartphone. I find the speed perfectly fine for images, it may feel slow for videos download.

I get that, that exposure rocker is perfect

Hi, sorry I've never taken any videos with either of these cameras.

Towards the end of the video I presented custom GR III settings (recipe) to better match the old Positive Film. But if you have a suggestion for a different recipe I'd be happy to try it!

@@JakobIglhaut A right - closer but not the same. Interesting, and interesting that the majority of GR III reviews don't mention this change in look, at least for Positive Film. To my eyes the GR I/II images are much nicer.

I agree, ergonomics are better on the older GRs!

That's it! The images from the GR look just right! You got a lot of value from those 90€ ;)

Nice! May I ask what was broken and how you fixed please? Just in case I can score a good deal too! Thank you

The GR II is exactly the same as the first GR. The only difference is Wifi

@@JakobIglhaut Thank you.

They're different again but much closer. The GRDs Positive Film is more vivid on default.

@@JakobIglhaut ok thank you for the reply. I got the GRD and never use the positive film until i saw you video.

There are the older models with a small 1/1,8" sensor called GR Digital or GRD. This series goes from GRD I to IV. Although they also have their qualities they really feel like older digicams, lower Mp count and slow to operate. Then the GR was released and soon after the GR II. The GR and GR II are the first Ricoh cameras with an APS-C sized sensor and they are practically the same camera, except the GR II has WiFi capability. Get either of those if you like the Positive Film look I presented in the video. After that there is the GR III, still with an APS-C sensor and some technical improvements like IBIS, but with less image character. The GR III is the latest camera. When hunting for these online make sure you don't confuse the GR Digital II and the GR II or the GRD III and the GR III ;) Good luck!

@@JakobIglhaut Have you had any issues with dust getting on your sensor?

Yes, the Positive Film effect is meant to look like slide film. Have you tried customising the effects to your liking? You can adjust vibrance, contrast and sharpness.

Or ++ some shadows maybe, it looks like GRi had more details in the shadows somehow

Personal preference I guess. The GR 3 files still look way more digital to me. GR images look more "analogue/organic". Maybe it's the imperfections I like and the GR 3 s images are already too good for my taste ;)

@@JakobIglhaut Personally I prefer the analogue look on images. Modern cameras, the digital cameras, are all about resolutions, dynamic range, and how detailed they can record (also lightroom, presets, etc). So I have been trying to get the best of both worlds lol

Hi! Vielen Dank für deinen netten Kommentar! Ich kann es gut verstehen, mich lässt das Thema nämlich auch nicht los. Ich habe auch noch Ideen für neue Projekte rund um das Thema, aber mir fehlt gerade die Zeit für die Umsetzung. Ich habe dir mal ein paar der Bilder aus dem Vergleich hochgeladen, allerdings habe ich nur von der GR III die dng+jpeg, von der GR habe ich nur die jpegs, da ich die ja schon als "perfekt" angesehen habe ;) Hier der Link zu dem Download: drive.google.com/file/d/1BQpD240tJ0seSYrzjecrFyHw7CFvORW6/view?usp=sharing Viele Grüße!

@@JakobIglhaut das ist genau das, was ich haben wollte! :) wow, so schnell! vielen lieben dank dafür. die dngs lade ich gleich direkt in meine gr3x und starte mit der anpassung. ja bitte, ricoh community braucht definitiv mehr aktive member und mehr gute inhalte!

@@JakobIglhaut hey jakob, leider konnte ich deine dngs mit meiner gr3x nicht öffnen. ich habe schon alles mögliche ausprobiert, sogar die metadaten komplett editiert. leider ohne erfolg. ich kann die bilder öffnen, allerdings nur im vorschau modus. :/ falls du vergleichsbilder zwischen gr3x und gr2 da hast, dann würde es gehen.

Ja, das müsste ich hinkriegen, habe die GR IIIx schließlich auch da. Das wird aber noch etwas dauern, bis ich da etwas machen kann.

Hier noch ein paar schnelle Bilder aus dem Fenster. Leider habe ich gerade wenig Zeit und die GR IIIx habe ich nun auch wieder verkauft. Die Lichtsituation ist natürlich speziell, ich hoffe du kannst was mit den wenigen Bildern was anfangen. Bei der GR hatte ich leider noch 4:3 Bildverhältnis eingestellt. Bei GR und GR IIIx war Positive Film wieder auf den Standardeinstellungen. Bei der GR IIIx habe ich zusätzlich mal noch eine WB Anpassung dazugepackt, die ich auch viel verwendet hatte. drive.google.com/file/d/1DOsPBBLJ9dxs9kAyX53bX8V-s-NYBXIf/view?usp=drivesdk

Positive Film is an in-camera jpeg effect mode exclusive to the Ricoh GR models. You should give it a go and see if you like it ;)

@@JakobIglhaut Okay but is it Only for Jpeg or Raw too?

Raw is only raw data and never has any colour profile applied. You can apply my Lightroom presets to your raw images to get something close to Positive Film colours, however if you want the real deal you need to set the effect in camera and shoot jpeg. Well actually there is one more option: You can apply the Positive Film effect to raw files on your camera but you will have to do so one-by-one. To do so press menu in the playback mode and enter the raw developer.

If this is done using the raw developer, can the raw settings not then be copied and pasted to additional raw files within lightroom?@@JakobIglhaut

If I remember I'll take a few comparison shots in the beginning of the new year. I never use that effect myself though

​@@JakobIglhaut That would be awesome! As far as I know this effect is not as popular as the Positive Film, though it still has a small but quite enthusiastic fanbase.

In this video I had not yet messed with WB shifts and left it at default AWB. During later tries I had it set to M2,A4 but still wasn't all that happy with positive film on the III(x) so stuck to my GR I

In my opinion the colours and look of the Positive Film effect coming out of the original GR can not be matched with editing a raw file in Lightroom. Check my presets that I mention at the very end of the video. I tried to re-create the look and Lightroom but wasn't satisfied with the results.

Hi Ben, das ist ja der Hammer...ich hatte mich schon gefragt weshalb mein Video so viel neue Klicks bekommt. Das von OMTC hatte ich völlig übersehen, obwohl ich auch Fan von ihr bin. Lustig, dass du auch unsere Radreisen guckst :) Dann wünsche ich dir viele tolle Bilder mit der GR IIIx! Die x hatte ich auch ausprobiert und festgestellt, dass der engere Bildausschnitt während dem Fahrradfahren es echt schwierig macht. Ich reite meine uralt GR nich etwas weiter ;) Liebe Grüße!

I've pre-ordered the GR III x and have sold my GR III. We will see if anything has changed on this new camera apart from the focal length. I'm very curious how Positive Film will look at 40mm ;)

@@JakobIglhaut ...yes. I am too. As i guess you'll make a review hopefully then. Looking forward to that...:) kind regards Marcel

So GR 2 is more expensive than the GR 3? You can get closer to the GR 2 look with the custom settings on the GR 3 I'm showing in the video...I doubt an exact match is possible unfortunately.

It does and I much prefer the +/- rocked of the older GR to the wheel or toggle of the new GR.

The image output of the GR II is the same as the GR. I've done some testing and couldn't tell the difference between them.

Hi, at 8:09 I mention IBIS as an advantage of the GR III. It really depends on the kind of shooting you do but generally it does help getting sharp images at lower shutter speeds. I often shoot moving objects and therefore I'm mostly shooting higher shutter speeds, hence IBIS is not essential for me.

@@JakobIglhaut thanks a lot! Now I really thinking of buying gr1 or fujifilm xf1