✅ Precision Gyroscope Flywheel & Axle Lathe Project~Part 1 - MSFN

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Makin Sumthin From Nuthin

Makin Sumthin From Nuthin

7 жыл бұрын

Part 1 of Machining a Precision Gyroscope Flywheel and axle for a customer for his particular gyroscope project. I have to make three of these but show one being machined in this video. Precision and concentricity is a must! The flywheels are made from brass and the axles from 3/16” drill rod. A fun DIY project for any machinist. Please subscribe and click the notifications “bell” to get notified of newly released videos. Thanks for Watching!
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@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
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@grntitan1
@grntitan1 7 жыл бұрын
You did a nice job Richard. I've been watching you for some time now. You are progressing along nicely. There is one thing you can't replace, that's time behind the machine. The more metal you turn, the better you get. Just never close your mind to learning. Look forward to Part II
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I love machine time. Many times its my own jobs...I love challenges such as this! I appreciate the kind words :)
@goliath257
@goliath257 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike!
@FishmanEricRussell
@FishmanEricRussell 6 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it, thanks for stopping by the channel ~ Richard
@rtkville
@rtkville 7 жыл бұрын
Lookin Gooooood!
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks RTK!!
@rtkville
@rtkville 7 жыл бұрын
And thank you for taking the time and effort to make these videos, I like your way of thinking!
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
YW! It takes 3 times as long to make something when filming it....then there is editing 😁
@rtkville
@rtkville 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Just keep it up your doing great!
@SteveSummers
@SteveSummers 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice, that's a cool project. Brass always sprays everywhere. Keep up the good work Steve Summers
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve....yes, its a very interesting metal to work with
@SteveSummers
@SteveSummers 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice editing also, very easy to watch, I enjoyed it.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Same goes for your vids...I enjoy them. Everyone should visit Steve's channel! kzfaq.info/love/jrGHSAkAN0ac8aVejwPBvA
@SteveSummers
@SteveSummers 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shout out MSFN, I will do the same. Your videos are A+
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
No problem Steve, you are under subscribed, you have great content....everyone who watches mine should watch yours...in my opinion 👍🏼
@onepairofhands
@onepairofhands 6 жыл бұрын
looking like a good job done to me
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter :)
@pauls5745
@pauls5745 3 жыл бұрын
no concession for soft jaw for chucking the brass? I love turning brass, just the sound of it coming off the stock is calming
@ckingclosur
@ckingclosur 7 жыл бұрын
A+
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for Watching :)
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 6 жыл бұрын
I have been bitten too many times by the metric/inch conversion. I finally had enough and bought a set of metric indicators, mics and when working in metric, I *THINK* in metric. I accept a millimeter for what is actually is, not that it's equal to .040. I don't know if I am saying that right, but I hope you get my meaning. Thinking in the system you use is much better. And after a while (all of my business is in metric) you begin to realize it's so much easier than inch.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 жыл бұрын
I hear ya, and honestly I dont mind metric. The difficult part about it all is everything I own is in "inch/decimal", even the lathe and dials. If I had the money I would invest is some metric tooling for situations like this....doing the math all the time sucks :) ~ Richard
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 6 жыл бұрын
I feel you brother. I just got a few measuring items like the mics and indicators. Most of my stuff is inch as well. But the DRO's will all switch between both. Also, the actual conversion is 0.0393701, not .040. That little bit of error will add up on you quickly. If you are not careful that .0007 will cause your tolerance stack up to be out. If you're doing low tolerance work, like +/- .010" there's no problem. When you're doing +/- .001 work, you had better be converting using the actual 0.0393701.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 жыл бұрын
I use online calculators for conversions, I dont trust myself to do them...LOL I would love to have a DRO but dont bring in enough work to pay for one....sure would be nice! Maybe one day....but not today! ☹️
@FredStam
@FredStam 5 жыл бұрын
why the US still uses Imperial measuring. I don´t know ... There are only about 5 countries left who still works with inches the rest of the world uses metric. I can´t find any reason why not using metrics. inches are oldfashioned. be modern use mm.
@MyHeap
@MyHeap 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Rich, great video. Here is a little tip that you might find useful. When turning metric, and using imperial comparators it may help to know that 1mm approximately equal to .040", .1mm approximately equal ro .004" and .01mm approximately equals .0004" The exact conversion is 1mm = 0.0393701", so the approximation is only off about .0004 inches per mm. That is workable and easy to remember. Hope that helps. Joe
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Great info, thanks Joe! This was the first time I ran into a metric mechanical drawing but the customer was gracious enough to convert the measurements to decimal for me...and resend the drawing versus me making hand written notes. I like a drawing and measurements I can quickly reference when at the lathe. Hope you enjoyed the vid....part 2 soon! :)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
You can use google to translate the measurements. Just writing ".040 inch to mm" is good enough to get a result immediately.
@DSCKy
@DSCKy 7 жыл бұрын
You can use a dead center between the part and the pointy scribe to dial it in to absolute 0...
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!, I am always willing to learn new techniques and learn from others experience. I appreciate ya! :)
@JustFun-iz9rf
@JustFun-iz9rf 2 жыл бұрын
Hi could you please tell me what that tool/cutter is called to make the recess. I am new at this. I would like to make a flywheel for a steam engine thanks
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 7 жыл бұрын
I love turning brass bud. Precision is in a fixed temp (72 deg) and a half thou over 10 feet. Saturn 5 rocket 3 rd stage snap rings at Cooper Bessemer. Ont. 1978. Now that is tight and pressure from the man, , ,oh yes sir,LOL. Love that lathe and your handmade tooling that poss one day be used again.Material temps can drive ya nuts bud.Love yer stuff my friend !
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Hahah, your new haircut is precision....thats all I know! And for a great cause too! 👍🏼 Thanks friend! :)
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize 7 жыл бұрын
Even better you came for a visit. How cool is that eh ?
@StephenMortimer
@StephenMortimer 7 жыл бұрын
He used so much "seat of the pant's" on this.... best we send him a new pair for his bare butt !!
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
But does he getter done? 😎
@StephenMortimer
@StephenMortimer 7 жыл бұрын
The "machinist's NEW clothes" (look Ma he's bare assed nekid !!)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
When you showed the tool 4:45 I figured out what it's for. Very clever idea, using the lathe's dials. This method may fail if you got backlash though. You compensated for it with a dial indicator, soo it's a flawless technique :D (up until you need bigger diameters than the dial indicator can measure)
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I was getting a .002 difference between what the dial said vs what the mitutoyo indicator said over a .01575 distance during all my preliminary set up....so decided to trust the indicator rather than my Atlas Lathe dials...just trying to put out a quality job 😊
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the dial indicators are often inaccurate due to backlash. Wear and tear on the threaded rod that moves the carriage is unavoidable. You can fix it if you want to disassemble your lathe, by upgrading the leadscrews to be ball-screws or whatever they're called, essentially they push on the rod with two leadscrews pushing against eachother, making sure they firmly contact the threaded rod with no backlash. This isn't a permanent solution unless your threaded rod and leadscrews are high quality and hardened, as you'd just wear the threads out faster, to the point where you'll break the thread. Any debris that gets stuck in the thread is going to ruin the precision. That's why it's too much bother to upgrade the lathe dial, and just rely on external dial indicators. That way there's no calculative errors from gears and threads. Even if you upgrade the leadscrew/threaded rod, you might run into problems where the thread pitch is slightly off to the dial's calibration, meaning every full turn will introduce a small error. This is why CNC machines avoid gears and just go for linear motors rather than leadscrews. That way an electric pulse moves the machine exactly (example) 0.01mm, as there's no gears or mechanical assemblies, making CNC's accurate, and that's why the manual lathes are somewhat obsolete.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
No need to disassemble my entire lathe to complete this job....just ordered a 500k VMC from Haas :)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Oooooo, fancy! I can't wait to see you play around with it. I wasn't asking you to disassemble, just giving you insight as to what one would do to get rid of the backlash.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
:)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
When you mount the disc on the other side, you want to make sure it's parallel. I assume you'll use the same strategy as before, using the parallels on the back. Another strategy shown by DoubleBoost is after mounting the work in the chuck, loosen it up a tiny bit, and tap at it until it's parallel. To find out if it's parallel, attach a dial indicator to the carriage to measure the runout at the edge of the face of the disc, and spin the chuck by hand, tapping the error out, then tighten the chuck back up again. This may scratch the work where the jaws touch, so use soft jaws. This can be useful if you don't have enough parallels to put on the back of the work.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
No additional parallels will be used, or soft jaws....you will have to wait for part 2 :)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Can't wait. Wish I lived nearby to watch it live :P
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
:)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, what do you do with all the shavings? Throw them out? Bin them? Recycle them? Send them off to some recycling company? Give them to a friend for melting? Melt them yourself?
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
I melt and cast metal on this channel, I saved as much clean brass as I could. The chip pan always has steel floating around which contaminates chips :-(
@mm5aho
@mm5aho 5 жыл бұрын
NIce work... Everything seems to be "go ahead and.. " eg I'm going to go ahead an scribe this... etc. Why not just do it?
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, some like detail...others...not so much :-/
@stevenss5482
@stevenss5482 3 жыл бұрын
If you're working with + or - .015 dividers would work just fine for that job.. Other wise u have to use a more precise method
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
If you want to prevent your calipers from scratching the work, give them a set of soft jaws! Tape or something. You can then close the calipers and zero those out. You were worried about scratching the work but didn't use soft jaws on your chuck.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion on soft jaws for the calipers but wonder how accurately the tape is made. I dont have digitals so cant zero anything...compression of tape may be an issue ? The piece will be turned down to 1.96x diameter later in the build....its currently 2.503 so using soft jaws now isnt needed. Wait for part 2...you will see...I dont use soft jaws then either :)
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
You can always just slap tape on the calipers, measure the width you get, squish em a few times on random items, see if it's repeatable or not. It isn't a hard job, it's a 1 minute job at most ;) If you don't have digitals, don't bother, they are one decimal point less accurate than your eye. If you can measure 0.01mm (0.0004 inch) with your caliper, so can the digital ones. But the vernier scale lets you eyeball an extra decimal down to 0.001mm (0.00393701 thou), while the digital one just hides the whole thing. I'd love me a combined vernier/digital caliper, advantages of both, cons of none. hmmmm. True, true, it isn't down to its OD so scratches aren't a problem... yet. It's just such a nice finish it'll be a shame if you scratch it. .... Can tape be good soft jaws? hahahah i need to stop with the tape.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Me thinks I will skip the tape 🤔
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Aw, c'mon MSfN you know you want to try some tape... Or you can bend some fancy soft jaws for the calipers. :D
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
*I don't know whether or not your client wants to balance this themselves or not. You should ask them if you should balance it or leave it as is.* You will probably need to balance test this gyroscope if it's supposed to be precision. Avoid the wobbles and what not. The balancing would be done with the shaft attached as the shaft itself could incur vibration error. Since it won't be in a vacuum, how you balance it must NOT be with holes or you'll produce aerodynamic problems and annoying whizzing sounds at high speed. Remember, the dimensions are not critical (other than the bore for the axle), it's the weight and balancing along the edges, so don't be afraid of. So don't be afraid to sandpaper or shave the surface directly to balance it, drilling holes will make it ugly and will incur aerodynamic turbulence. Then again, a solid chuck of metal machined on a lathe would probably already be balanced, at most a milligram error due to material flaws.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Balancing is the clients responsibilty depending on his tolerances required. Uneven distribution of alloying materials within the metal when cast would affect the balance of even a perfectly machined CNC part. For absolute precision balancing is required.
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Considering your client said they want it precise... But left the 2 degree up to your discretion, this isn't going to be a very precise gyroscope, as the weight would vary, and weight is very important for gyroscopes.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
The radius was at my discretion, he indicated a 2mm inside radius but made it clear that was not set in stone.
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
And, thus, exactly, that inside radius being up to your choice affects the final weight of the gyroscope, meaning it isn't very precision... A precise gyroscope has exact weight on the edge, meaning a certain torque produces a certain rpm, a certain momentum. That gets skewered by weight differences. Small radius means less weight means more fast spinning. Large radius means more weight means less fast spinning.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
Many factors involved in gyroscopes....I am just doing the best I possibly can. The client knows I dont own a CNC VMC
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
The customer supplied dimension parameters...not weight. Just following the drawing
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
Your setup at 7:54 is silly. Couldn't you have put the dial on the opposite side so you push the bore against the dial? I do believe you've overcomplicated your setup. First, you could have put the dial indicator on the bed, on the left side, under the chuck, using a smaller one ofcourse. Second, you could've used one of those lock things that attach to the bed and physically block the carriage from advancing too far. You could've calibrated it to stop your carriage at the right depth, and you couldn't overshoot it even if you tried.
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 7 жыл бұрын
I wasnt able to fit a dial indicator on the headstock side of the carriage with the tools I had so had to come in from the other side. I have a carriage stop but is too large to fit with the short width of the thin disc in the chuck....a new one is in order. Not much room on an Atlas 12" with short work like that. I like you questioning stuff I do...its how one learns....from others input. Thanks!
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe we should all go over to your channel to see how it's done right. Oh that's right, I did and there is nothing there. Typical troll.
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
You had the little machinist arm thingy, surely it could've fit SOMEWHERE? You can mount it anywhere including on the bed, or on the metal under the chuck, and let the carriage push into the indicator's arm. Maybe you should make yourself a new carriage stop. They don't need to be amazing, just grapple onto the bed and not scratch it. You can makeshift one by using the lathe as a milling machine. Just make sure everything is nice and tight and not movable by hand, or you'll have bits flying everywhere. Yeah it's easy to question others :D I always look for the best way AND alternatives to doing one thing. Sometimes alternatives are required, or lead to better hybrid techniques.
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 7 жыл бұрын
... troll? ehhh sounds like you derailed your carriage and are off your rocker. I'll put into consideration putting some machining vids sometime maybe.
@andy1way
@andy1way Ай бұрын
That's a nice piece of "nothing"!
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