Pro Mechanic Reacts To CHEAP AliExpress MTB Forks!

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3 күн бұрын

Anna Cipullo recently bought some of the cheapest mountain bike suspension forks she could find on the internet! First, she took these cheap AliExpress forks to the trails for a GMBN video and had initially planned a short breakdown of the fork. But Greg and the team's reaction to the quality of this fork was better than expected so we’ve decided to publish a deep dive look here on GMBN Tech!
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@ssjj9584 2 күн бұрын

You guys should get a big brand to put this fork through their safety test for consumers. This would be good for consumers and the brand to show the difference in safety.

@johnnybravo1912 Күн бұрын

Yeah compare the chinese cheap forx with a simularly value fox or rockshox ~ its just stupid to compare low end with high end..

@AnnaOnTheBike 14 сағат бұрын

Hopefully this video has done a good job of outlining the safety levels of this fork already. The fact that a critical part was damaged, a structural securing nut was threaded, and 3/4 of the seals were missing should tell you enough about the quality without a big brand running it through their testing facilities.

@cra_55 2 күн бұрын

$140 isn't even that cheap. I'm pretty sure you can get a half-decent SR Suntour for that price.

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

Exactly !

@dylan-5287 2 күн бұрын

Shit you could get a basically unused take off 34mm stanchion x fusion 140mm fork for less than that.

@CanonFirefly Күн бұрын

£140 they said. You can get a brand new Z2 for about that.

@cra_55 Күн бұрын

@@dylan-5287 So many good used options from reputable brands for that price. Even if you do buy a lemon, there's probably a certified Rockshox or Fox dealer near you that can easily fix it with genuine parts.

@feedbackzaloop Күн бұрын

@@CanonFirefly no, still a Suntour. Difference from exchange rate goes to import tax.

@antdod1 2 күн бұрын

When some rockshox don't cost much more why would u buy forks like this .I bought rockshox recons for just over €200

@ZanderLexx 2 күн бұрын

You should sent it to Seth from Berm Peak :D ! He would definitely test it hahaha !

@ravennexusmh 2 күн бұрын

if it fails where are you going..... i think the answer to that is hospital!!

@PWRIV 2 күн бұрын

I challenge you to rebuild this into a quality fork.

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

Alas, they don't have neither skills nor tools for that. It's TF Tuned, not ND Tuned.

@elivargason1542 2 күн бұрын

I second this! I guarantee they've got parts and seals laying around that would fit

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

It can’t be done. Most of the threads were threaded after we opened it. Also, none of it could be replaced by parts in their workshop.

@johnmorrison8351 Күн бұрын

@@AnnaOnTheBikeLoctite 641, drill it and run a roll-pin through…. My biggest concern is the CSU interface. They’re fine till they’re not

@johnmorrison8351 Күн бұрын

I should add, I have a pair of 2002 SID World Cups on my commuter that are likely WAY worse than these 😂

@tornagawn Күн бұрын

FSO: ‘fork shaped object’ Totally ‘forked’

@kevinc7632 2 күн бұрын

Remember this when the ebike motors show up everyone please…

@TCBOT 21 минут бұрын

the cheap ebike motors are infact fine unless you putting 7kw into a 1kw rated one it wont fail but most of the cheap ones are 1kw or more and cant be used on the roads in the uk as there us spec 28mph

@kevincross9206 2 күн бұрын

Shocking, but not surprising. There’s a reason they’re cheap.

@tim__sadler Күн бұрын

Something interesting to note here is the price - Aliexpress (and similar platforms) operate on a very slim margin - often with orders shipped direct from factory. This means this POS-fork-shaped-object actually cost over £100 to build! Now if you consider the margins for a low end entry level fork like a Suntour XCR or even a Rockshox Recon - they are actually close to being the same build price.....

@RufusVIP Күн бұрын

Great vid. Enjoyed it, especially seeing inside tf tuned workshop. Scary quality!

@kusokurae21 2 күн бұрын

That product has “chinese rubbish” written all over it.

@johnmorrison8351 Күн бұрын

You’re assuming that’s oil that came out… Water is way cheaper

@marcopaganotto9125 Сағат бұрын

1 X 10 mini 10 Speed group that's Deore level quality, STI Shifters and rear mech, for £45. Quality, durable and as good as Shimano, for FK all. There's no negatives here. You are missing out!

@AFV85 2 күн бұрын

It's frightening to see a lot of new videos of those Chinese e-bikes in the US. People are actually replacing their forks with these things! I see more and more of them on the US e-bike videos I watch. The trails they're hitting... wow!

@LaurentiusTriarius 2 күн бұрын

Even most higher end emtbs are not really made for going over 25mph Chinese ebikes are serious deathtraps for various reasons the forks are only a piece of the pile ...

@brandonfields5720 2 күн бұрын

What's scarier, is that when it breaks (which it will) they just buy another.. So many people don't understand spending more the first time saves you in the long run. Not just from direct cost, but from potential hospital bills as well.

@dylan-5287 2 күн бұрын

It's just gonna take one fire started by a cheap Chinese ebike out in the forest in the western US and they'll completely ban ebikes from forest trails.

@rickywoods3101 2 күн бұрын

@@dylan-5287This is 100 percent true, our leaders are so dumb that they won't know the difference. Just like firearms, they have no idea what they are talking about.

@dylan-5287 2 күн бұрын

@@rickywoods3101 haha I feel you on firearms. "No one should be able to own an assault ebike, that's military technology!"

@Paprika526 2 күн бұрын

As crappy and fragile this thing might be, it's still more solid than my riding skills. But I do agree that a gold rockshox sticking out of the bushes is a nicer view for the paramedics.

@ollyeason4125 Күн бұрын

cant say I havent looked on Temu and Aliexpress, not being about to put a decent amount of $ into bikes means Ive bought quality secondhand stuff that needs rebuilding or servicing. Learning to do quality maintenance was the key, so I don"t crap myself every time I come up to a drop.

@MrSupermugen 2 күн бұрын

We need to know why all the workers are wearing mic'd headphones, is this so they can answer incoming calls and work at the same time????

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

Haha yes it is!

@MrSupermugen 2 күн бұрын

@@AnnaOnTheBike cheeky but clever business!

@rupedog 2 күн бұрын

Tf have been great answering questions when u call, u get to speak to a person who actually knows the product and services them. We're a godsend with my RS super deluxe knock 'hotdog' piston fix. 🙏

@ChristianPareATLAS Күн бұрын

They can talk to each others too good if they have a big store and different levels

@sd5458 21 сағат бұрын

Blake is a real one. You can tell by his reckless disregard for the workspace that he has a few wrench turning bloody knuckles and hell hath no fury repair stories under his belt 😂 Also though, I feel like I was just the 3rd wheel on a date.

@rewind9536 2 күн бұрын

Rockshox just filled my Lyrik with red grease and called it a day, after I sent it in for a service because the Low Compression knob was stuck after a few weeks from new. It worked much better after paying 200 euro for a full service at the LBS.

@Alan-75 14 сағат бұрын

£125-130 for a service. That's why I service my shocks myself, Rockshox are so easy to do and if you brought your bike from your lbs surely they should fix it under warranty.

@rustler08 Сағат бұрын

@@Alan-75 Yeah, only Fox makes terrible to service parts. Like the Float X2.

@exothermal.sprocket 2 күн бұрын

Yep. Landfill.... fill.

@johnssmith4005 2 күн бұрын

Wait what ? MTB Forks from AliExpress ? A rigid mtb it is then !

@MattsMTBworkshop 2 сағат бұрын

I would love to see a breakdown like this on another fork from ali-express whitch is still budget (and an upside-down style fork!) The DNM USD-8N.

@sjod9460 3 сағат бұрын

TF Tuned are awesome. They replaced my steerer and serviced my folk and ir was a great service :0

@lewismurray1891 Күн бұрын

Good luck running them!😬 Aliexpress fan however; success with alot of great value tooling, road bike wheels and other randoms; huge market place with every tier of options. @TraceVelo does a great job putting this in context for road bikes...Won't be in any rush to change the Trek, Zebs and DVO though.............. Also in context GMBN is sponsored by big brands, Fox and Rockshox are made in Taiwan. More interesting challenge for GMBN would be to build a decent bike for half the price from Chinese imports, see how it stacks up?!?!?!?!

@Jayneflakes 2 күн бұрын

This is interesting. I particularly liked your point about no knowing who made it. There have been several accusations made against China, of using forced labour in their manufacturing industry and this is always something that deeply concerns me in regards buying direct from China. There is Panda Podium who only ship premium Chinese parts, but their prices do reflect this.

@eddierivera7803 2 күн бұрын

Service your fork and it will service you. I would ride any brand name entry fork than anything like this. Ya never know though there could be a diamond in the ruff out there.

@stujm8376 2 күн бұрын

I buy secondhand because I can’t afford new, but I wait for offers and don’t rush into stuff. I just make do until a deal comes along, still ride though. I did once buy a 27.2 dropper from Ali express and do use it, even though it does have a bit of play in it, not enough to cause an issue. I take it apart and clean it quite regularly though because it gets dirty quickly inside. It’s a coil dropper, so I don’t have too many problems. Still I’d like to find a good second hand branded one at a decent price…

@TonyParkinson 2 күн бұрын

Hang on a minute, I've seen this already....?

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

You saw a short collection of clips in a GMBN video, but I thought our Tech viewers would like to see a more in-depth look

@PedroFTeixeira 2 күн бұрын

Haven't I seen this before?

@lodg1e 2 күн бұрын

Must have run out of ideas so putting the same video out again.

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

We did a riding focused version on GMBN, but there wasn’t enough time in the video to showcase everything Greg found, so we thought a more in-depth look on GMBN Tech would be interesting.

@krzysiu4003 2 күн бұрын

I didn’t watch as I thought it was a repeat. Thanks for clearing that up Anna, will watch now.

@acedotcom Күн бұрын

yes on literally every other MB channel

@DNDinitials Күн бұрын

This was comedy and I loved it.

@WaechterDerNacht 2 күн бұрын

How about getting an engineer and a workshop to fix it / build it properly and explain during that what goes into it? E.g. seals with different applications (dynamic / static etc.), compression, deformation, lubrication, diameter change when stretched etc. All proper nerdy stuff, but people (also sometimes people working the machine industry since years!) totally underestimate what actually goes into all those considerations... (and sometimes in the industry make changes that might work in the tedt setup, but not in the field - which often can be proven by doing the maths / physics needed)

@feedbackzaloop Күн бұрын

Funny how people can also overestimate engineering of bike components when the reality is more of FAFO than thought-through calculations. Historically, most brands grow out of machine shops rather than design bureaus... If you can work around AI translation or simply know Russian, there is an ex-engineer/bikemechanic/youtuber Lexapskov doing exactly what you want. All English or Spanish content I'm aware of is rather academic and they don't go past graphs and charts.

@WaechterDerNacht Күн бұрын

@@feedbackzaloop don't know what you mean with FAFO - never heard that. When it comes to design, sometimes you end up just using e.g. the same seal grove geometry over and over. Of course you don't re-calculate everything if conditions don't change. I know from first hand experience, that often being done with the design fast rather than correct is what company owners and customers want. So you end up skipping those things more often than not. Here comes experience into play about what you need for what circumstances. But sometimes it bites you and have to correct such things a year after market launch.. It would just be a nice way for GMBN Tech to show what actually would go into such moving parts like forks, hubs etc. And I'm sure they would find a balance between full nerd mode and entertainment. But it would also show nicely why maths and physics in school is good, since the basic principles can be understood with this basic knowledge. I don't expect them to slap around with integrals left, right and center...

@feedbackzaloop Күн бұрын

@@WaechterDerNacht ...and often you don't recalculate when the conditions do change. Or rather get information from field testing and service feedback. You produce something, let people F* Around and Find Out. Then roll out a x% lighter, y% stiffer yet z% more compliant part. And so on. And well, even school level physics is too abstract. Wear and tear marks tell much more. But I'm afraid unless those connected to injuries it won't bring GMBN views. And in no circumstances it's bringing sponsorships as their products must be seen immaculate.

@WaechterDerNacht Күн бұрын

@@feedbackzaloop ok, now i know what you meant with FAFO... And yes, quite often that's how it goes.

@samguan5236 2 күн бұрын

Is it just me? I feel like GCN/GMBN either tells you the expensive stuff is really good or the cheap stuff is really bad. I wouldn’t trust these forks either but they seem to promote the perception that cycling needs to be expensive and most average bikes aren’t fit for the trail.

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

That’s definitely not my intention. I want people to buy safe, quality stuff at the same price. Hence myself and Greg both concluded that secondhand forks would be the best alternative

@228slide Күн бұрын

What ever you see from Temu/Ali.......apply extreme caution😂

@SkylarsTerribleMemes 2 күн бұрын

love how the only 20" fork i can find with more than 50mm of travel would probably kill me. guess i'll just learn to weld so i can build one with a rear shock and some angle iron lmao

@kingflynxi9420 Күн бұрын

Manitou J-unit ones

@paulsymons562 2 күн бұрын

This chap is excellent - he needs to be your suspension guru. What hat is he wearing? Rather like the look of it.

@pushrod4383 2 күн бұрын

The hat is a Melin. Nice units 👍

@mclaren44 2 күн бұрын

Is this a re up load?

@FOTB407 2 күн бұрын

Would prob b good to show the same type of vid with a fox 36 or something so ppl have an idea of what the difference is Or maybe an USD fork so it’s a better comparison?

@nigelshepherd8248 Күн бұрын

To be honest, this guy lives in a world where he only sees mega expensive forks, that his company no doubt charge a fortune to service... he's not going to say, "yes, these are good enough for 99% of trail riders", he'd lose a lot of business....

@rustler08 2 сағат бұрын

Because they're not good enough for 99% of trail riders. They're good enough for 99% of Walmart bikes.

@rustler08 Сағат бұрын

Also, think about what you just said for a second: if he only sees mega expensive forks, then the inverse of that means he doesn't see cheap forks. So your own statement contradicts the "lose a lot of business" statement. No one with nice forks is buying this trash, so it would make no difference to him if cheapos buy cheapo components.

@rustler08 2 сағат бұрын

You also don't even know how to read the torque specs off of a Fox website.

@00networker 2 күн бұрын

Nice to see the technicians who worked on my dvo emeralds ripping some cheap forks to bits lol cheers #TFTuned

@dadman999 2 күн бұрын

so ... at what point did you suspect there might be an issue with this fork? 😛

@terrylyons6210 Күн бұрын

Knocking this badly built fork is funny and all but perhaps a conversation about big brand suspension service intervals. 50-100 hour service interval on car suspension for example would be laughed at but somehow acceptable on a $1000+ fork.

@TCBOT 14 минут бұрын

motor cycles are the same 50 -100 hours tho car shocks are extremly basic unless its of an s500 or land rover (ai ride that alyayes leaks normly the air lines ) basicly a spring and a sealed damper (cant be rebuilt damper is a disc with holes it in sliding up and down in a tube full of oil

@Schwabz33 2 күн бұрын

People need to stop the fact that you’re complaining over a fork that cost $100. you can get a good quality $250-$300.. I mean if your bike is that cheap to the point where your fork is like $85 don’t even bother

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

Ok, so not _that_ dissimilar quality on the inside to RS or F

@MrSupermugen 2 күн бұрын

When hes shaking the fork and its knocking... i was like "hey!! my fox factory 36 & 38 makes that same noise" 3 of my last 4 factory forks have knocked and fox refuse to say anything is wrong.

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

@@MrSupermugen yes, normal thing for any mass produced product. There must be play between parts not originally made as a pair. Quite different to connecting rods and their big end caps. Bet the forth of all four knocked too, you just didn't clean the lube off well enough😁

@MrSupermugen 2 күн бұрын

@@feedbackzaloop I had the bushings replaced, the fork is smoother and no knock - been over 12 months and they are awesome now

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

@@MrSupermugen ah, they should have been resized/calibrated for a perfect match. BTW, did you get OEM or aftermarket?

@xtrainerchronicles2085 2 күн бұрын

Ali Express has many brands some good and some bad. One thing i didn't here is which brand it was.

@chinguyen8778 2 күн бұрын

It’s so easy to point out a lemon and laugh that’s it’s a lemon. How about u guys try to find a diamond out of the lumps of coal out there that’s a decent bargain that’s trail worthy for those who aren’t sponsored riders which is affordable pls.

@itsbigwolf6452 2 күн бұрын

Yes, I agree. That will really help most of us. 🙌🙌

@LaurentiusTriarius 2 күн бұрын

Some more expensive budget forks are still not that good the z1/z2 flex like crazy, Rock shock Judy/35 are so bad I can't believe people would pay more than 100$ for them. It's not easy finding a gem in a pile of overpriced manure.

@brandonfields5720 2 күн бұрын

Looks like you missed the point of the video. They're saying don't buy forks off ali-express.. Your safety isn't worth saving a couple hundred bucks. There are plenty of videos out there on decent budget forks, but not many on this.

@kyleslater5245 2 күн бұрын

I’d say that’s a good idea but 90% of Ali/temu is lemons…

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

@@brandonfields5720 jokes on you, it's exactly this point most of us are against of. Getting ripped off and screwed over in the name of safety and security - doesn't it ring any bells?

@dcv9460 2 күн бұрын

SAVE UP for a quality and branded suspension fork and this will SAVE your life 💯

@zakos5649 2 күн бұрын

They can try to make it better in same price 😅 ...

@stephenbailey9957 2 күн бұрын

I would never buy unbranded suspension. Its better buying a well known brand.

@TCBOT 8 минут бұрын

why ou cant wheelie it only holds the frount wheel on the bike lol what could go wrong

@asifitmatters1 2 күн бұрын

It’s not a set of forks… it’s a suspension fork!!! Not forks!!!! It’s so annoying to hear professionals refer to a suspension fork as forks…

@lodg1e 2 күн бұрын

Run out of ideas? Havent you already released this video?

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

We did a riding video on GMBN with a small section with Greg, but we thought a more in-depth look with Greg would be interesting to our Tech viewers.

@braveheart0317 Күн бұрын

Call me cheap. I used a $100 fork for xc and it works for me. There's nothing wrong with it if it breaks I'll buy a new one.

@LukaszMielczarek 15 сағат бұрын

Soo you buy new fork every 2 weeks?

@Chieltje1234 Күн бұрын

makes me think how chinese carbon holds up. mixed messages all over and afterall most carbon frames are coming out of Asia. how good or bad are those really? a USD for for 140 bucks cant be good to start with.

@hesgone6699 2 күн бұрын

There's a lot of aliexpress bashing going on. You could take the most expensive fork in the world and find fault with it if you scrutinise it in such detail. You could even make a patronising video about it and giggle childishly all the way through

@LukaszMielczarek 15 сағат бұрын

That kind of faults? Like missing seals-are you sure it will similar to this fork?

@marcopaganotto9125 2 сағат бұрын

Guys, please stop mocking the Ali! There are some truly amazing components at frankly stunning prices, not to mention all the problem solver parts, you'd never find in a UK bike shop. Seriously, you're missing out with this piss taking attitude...

@gunshipanropace2gunshipand119 2 күн бұрын

Well not Everyone has the pocket to buy branded quality forks so this makes sense

@feedbackzaloop 2 күн бұрын

Thing is, there are both cheaper and better built forks. And brand forks made as bad.

@dylan-5287 2 күн бұрын

Just buy a suntour air fork. Still cheap but at least they're an established brand. Totally understand the need for cheaper options but this ain't it.

@johnssmith4005 2 күн бұрын

There is a video of a guy here on KZfaq that bought some cranks if I remember correctly HE ALMOST DIED , so no thanks I would rather save one more year than have to learn how to walk again

@nathancole8103 2 күн бұрын

For $150 you can absolutely find a better, more reliable and serviceable fork from a reputable manufacturer. Educate yourself, shop sales, buy used. Plenty of lightly ridden takeoffs out there!

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

What Nathan said. There are a number of RockShox and Marzocchi forks for sale on eBay for under £150 right now, and these will be serviceable 👌

@floris2872 2 күн бұрын

Who is honestly buying these?

@fudganuld 2 күн бұрын

err....dejavou anyone..Ha

@Schwabz33 2 күн бұрын

Horrible

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 2 күн бұрын

One of the problems is the forks will be made to a price i.e. cheap aluminium and steel, low cost labour, poor machine tolerances and fastening techniques and likely across several back street manufacturers. If you are serious about your riding then a quality set of forks from a well known brand is not beyond those buying a medium priced bike and wary about their riding safety . Excellent piece and well worth the effort put into it to highlight poor quality and safety issues.

@nigelrandtoul8646 2 күн бұрын

😱😱😱

@marcopaganotto9125 Сағат бұрын

Also, let's face it, 90% of the components you're using on your mega expensive bike are, guess what? Made in China...

@soupbums Күн бұрын

You people are a joke too promoting overpriced mtb parts that 99 percent of people DON'T NEED

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte 2 күн бұрын

this is so biased is that a marketplace, or u got a BAD FORK FROM A BAD MAKER AND SELLER if u said nothing, Should have the same standard as if u got it from Amazon if u buy cheep u geet cheap but I got a air for Gavel for 78 I live in the mountains of va I'm alive, but I just got a air sid there for 800, thank you for the work

@brandonfields5720 2 күн бұрын

You make 0 sense. Maybe don't be drunk and decide to comment.

@brandonfields5720 2 күн бұрын

I see you edited your comment, it still doesn't make sense, try again buddy.

@cz287cj 2 күн бұрын

what do u expect from a china cheap knock off

@markusilomaki8922 2 күн бұрын

Hopefully you put it back together for someone to use in their pub bike build. Would be quite environmentally irresponsible to throw the fork in the trash.

@AnnaOnTheBike 2 күн бұрын

It wasn’t possible to put it back together. Most of the threads threaded. It’s why we concluded that it’s not environmentally responsible to buy these. We also concluded it wasn’t safe to ride, so I would not want anyone using them.

@markusilomaki8922 2 күн бұрын

@@AnnaOnTheBike Right call, and right message to the masses. Still have many 90's Marzocchi forks on my bikes. Good quality products are most environmental. I will however challenge you to find some quality products from Ali, they do exist and are spinning on some of my bikes :)

@rgd1977 2 күн бұрын

It would be way more irresponsible to put that fork on someone’s bike. Get it thrown in landfill where it belongs, alongside all the other crap bought off Ali express.