PRODUCTION INJECTION MOLDING

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Dragonfly Engineering

Dragonfly Engineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hi folks,
This week I did some production molding of black boxes that the customer said I can show. So, please enjoy this work done on the 99 US Ton molding machine.

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@stevebromley4230
@stevebromley4230 3 жыл бұрын
You can make things easier by picking a standard spot and putting in a couple 1/4-20 flat head screws on your insulator plates. Same with the locator ring. On the slides, if you cut a .020-.040 deep figure 8 on them it helps with the lube and wear. Cutting the figure 8 with a small dia ball cutter also helps. You brought up the mold lasting 10,000 shots. If you know you are going to want more then that, but aren't going to make enough shots for a production tool, anodizing helps a lot to extend tool life. It also helps keep the finish good, so you don't have to keep re-polishing and blasting. On the hold down straps, you likely always use the same size backing plate and insulator on most molds. Making some straps with a peppermint spacer on the back is a really nice thing or just cutting a spacer the size you need and supper glue it under the straps you are using. It then no longer requires 3 hands to put them on and lets the wrench swing over the top of them. I also find it easier to put the knock out bar/bolt in the mold before putting the mold in the press. Just a few little things. Thanks for the videos, I like the channel
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, you sure know your stuff. I will do all of your good suggestions going forward. Thank you for the valuable tips!
@idus
@idus 2 жыл бұрын
Yea this is awesome. You answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks for going through and filming all this.
@GaryAllpike
@GaryAllpike 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another fascinating video Dave! Stay healthy.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary
@mixiepalms8338
@mixiepalms8338 5 ай бұрын
fascinating to watch. how we mount a mould in so many different ways. \where i work, direct bolts, clamps and my fave magnetic platens. really a great watch. have subscribed, Our company is mainly upvc. Building products. I am aspergers and I actually enjoy my job. 30 plus years in injection moulding. regards Mick
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Schmukas
@Schmukas 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos much. Thanks for the good explanations. 💪
@d-rail7271
@d-rail7271 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool, thanks for sharing. Love all the toys like the conveyors :)
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@maxwu7652
@maxwu7652 3 жыл бұрын
I learned a lot. Good to see the process step by step.expecting more videos can see
@millileenen6512
@millileenen6512 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video it really helps me on my apprenticeship. Keep youtubeing!
@sheepman6291
@sheepman6291 2 жыл бұрын
This is gold. You are a saint.
@ingmarm8858
@ingmarm8858 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos, fascinating to watch and learn.
@user990077
@user990077 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching!
@EquivalentBear
@EquivalentBear Жыл бұрын
I love how you show Chewbacca in the background every time it makes the clamping sound
@mersadz3743
@mersadz3743 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing Video Thank you for sharing. That's a shady crane/winch setup you use I was nervous the whole time :D Thank you again.
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful 3 жыл бұрын
your enthusiam and tenacity comes over. I kind of think working with you would make the job very interesting. I am learning alot about injection molding and some of the pieces that make it happen. Thanks for the education and enjoyment.I wonder if you should be doing training films for the industry.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words John, folks like you are why I am making the videos. Thanks for watching
@johnyoungquist6540
@johnyoungquist6540 3 жыл бұрын
Tap a hole in each mold half. Put a tie bar across with two bolts to keep the mold closed. Put a lifting eye in the bar at the balance point. This will keep the mold together for handling, installation and storage. We always do it this way.
@flatsurfaces1913
@flatsurfaces1913 3 жыл бұрын
Thats the way most places do it.
@Macmilker
@Macmilker 2 жыл бұрын
The video I been looking for .
@geoffcrumblin7505
@geoffcrumblin7505 3 жыл бұрын
You are doing better than some who call themselves molders. 1- molding is a heat process, you need to achieve precise mold temperature, otherwise the process keeps getting hotter. Install a cooling circuit. the quicker that you return the mold temperature to its set point, the quicker is your process. 2- Too much unheated nozzle. nozzle should be completely enclosed with nozzle heater, running 2-3 degrees below zone 3. Good luck
@jemlittle1787
@jemlittle1787 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such an awesome video in the real deal doing injection
@russellgelfuso2480
@russellgelfuso2480 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting videos!
@studiochefson3573
@studiochefson3573 3 жыл бұрын
Altough I'll never will run such a machine, very very interresting. (from a French viewer)
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, more to come!
@khalidmaulana5508
@khalidmaulana5508 3 жыл бұрын
@@DragonflyEngineering Thanks it's made me know the mechanism !. You're Livesafer
@ultrasonicweldingmachine2022
@ultrasonicweldingmachine2022 3 жыл бұрын
its wonderful .
@girumabbay5899
@girumabbay5899 3 жыл бұрын
Really ..... a professionalpresentation
@sugafree1of2
@sugafree1of2 3 жыл бұрын
love the vid. one observation though. you can place the ejector rod with the mold closed because you have ejector return pins that stick out further than your ejectors (should). this is a safety precaution to not smash or destroy your ejectors if you eject forward and not have the bolted causing you to crush pins. so keep mold closed. a lot easier.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sugafree, yes I agree, unfortunately this mold was made so fast that there are not return pins. Your point may be enough for me to spend the time to add return pins to future molds. Thanks for watching!
@Ittihatci8282
@Ittihatci8282 2 жыл бұрын
Well done brother
@Jeff-D
@Jeff-D 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. One thing - leave a clamp on the op side stationary platen so the mold doesn’t bounce when you open the clamp. You can see if you need to adjust your hoist when you slowly loosen the bolt. Stay safe!
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
good idea, I will do that
@darmah1959
@darmah1959 3 жыл бұрын
Most/all injection molds have a external bolt clamp that holds them together when not in use? Also going forward all electric toggle machines are normally faster, cheaper and a lot less messy. Curious as to why you need/use a "clean" room. Is this a customer requirement?
@machinist123
@machinist123 3 жыл бұрын
What temperature do you heat your aluminum mold? Also if the mold was steel would you need liquid coolant circulating through the mold to keep it cool enough?
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was 175 F. It probably would need liquid cooling to keep the insert the right temperature. I was surprised that I didn't need it for the aluminum mold. Thanks for watching!
@tesentian364
@tesentian364 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! One question: You said in previous videos that this is a clean room. What does that mean? Washing hands and wearing a bunny suit to not bring in any chips/abrasive dust from machining? Air filtration?
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
hi Vincent, yes the room is setup to be a clean room with 2 2x4 ft heppa filter blowers in the ceiling for positive air pressure. I gown up to various degrees depending on the needs of the customer parts, (and the video presentation) I keep the jump suit on most of the time since shirt fibers are the biggest problem with static charged new molded parts. I don't keep a constant clean standard due to the high amount of reconfiguration of the room needed , (which can be a dirty process) thanks for watching!
3 жыл бұрын
Cảm ơn vì video! Một câu hỏi: bạn nói trong những đoạn phim trước đây là một căn phòng sạch. Thế nghĩa là sao? Rửa tay và mặc một bộ đồ thỏ để không
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
from google translate: Xin chào Cảm ơn đã xem. Phòng sạch có 2 bộ lọc hepa với quạt gió để giữ áp suất không khí dương. Tôi mặc bộ đồ chú thỏ để giữ cho các sợi áo sơ mi và bụi khỏi các bộ phận nhựa. mức độ sạch sẽ tùy thuộc vào nhu cầu của khách hàng:
@ther1kid
@ther1kid 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video I learned a lot. I've always wondered is this process stinky? Like if I add an injection molding machine to my machine shop do I need to worry about my neighbors being bothered by the smell? or it stinking up the shop?
@abcdefghijk6704
@abcdefghijk6704 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the resin and how you handle it, wasting a lot or save and care about the batch.
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 3 жыл бұрын
Like the compressed air ejection via the ejector pins. Could aid cooling pins and cut down on binding too. We ran an aluminium mold that was meant for pre production and ended up using it to make over a million parts. Think we re-bushed pins but the spec of the part stayed in tolerance. That tool had similar 30 degree slide pins. Think we sleeved them with a bush. Its a while ago. Haha. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your insight and experience!
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, don't know about that. The machines were more manual, no computers. Wish i had had some of the machine available now. That's progress for you. We could have used air to assist ejection in fact i can think of one job for a Rolls Royce tail light reflector that would have been a lot easier had we thought of air ejection. All the things you said about bowing and stress marks rang true. Think we were using glass filled nylon. Thanks again. Look forward to your next video
@Jeff-D
@Jeff-D 3 жыл бұрын
Uh huh. Famous last words - “unit tooling”. We are only going to make 500 parts. That 500 become 5000, then 10k, then 100k. Then it becomes - how many can we get out of this tool? Luckily I work for a mold maker so I don’t have to deal with that anymore😀
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 3 жыл бұрын
Yes we were lucky. Also my dad was a genius tool maker. ICI used to give him experimental plastics to 'JUST TRY IT AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!' Legend
@Jeff-D
@Jeff-D 3 жыл бұрын
@@ruperthartop7202 That is awesome. Every processor should have that opportunity. I had that opportunity with LIM at my last shop when the president told me to “figure it out, have some fun”. Roll forward 3 years and I was suggesting materials for projects. Be well!
@ninomateooriti231
@ninomateooriti231 3 жыл бұрын
Hola! que aleacion de aluminio usas para los moldes? es aluminio 7075?
@kevinbragg7273
@kevinbragg7273 Жыл бұрын
I've been a mold changer for 12 years. If I did my job like this. I'd be fired. We definitely have it made at our facility.
@andyvan5692
@andyvan5692 3 жыл бұрын
good video, the problems are similar to 3D printing, the plastic needs a certain temp. to melt, but like solder it can become 'jelly' and not a hard set, settings dependent, so it takes some time to "iron out the kinks", like sticking to one side, not being fluid enough, etc. all part of the coarse, even some elements of design, like too thin a wall can have an effect on things, so only certain shapes are good for this "additive manufacturing" process; hence why a lot of processes exist, 3D plastic forming, injection moulding, casting, milling, drilling, turning, all are most suitable to only a few part designs.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
agree, thanks for watching
@chamchamal1978
@chamchamal1978 3 жыл бұрын
I do it in a different way , disconnect Ejector and bar , then take the clamps off from moving platen ! open the mould while the tool still attached to the fix half , once moving platen open completely then remove the clamps on fix half !
@cookiemonster9432
@cookiemonster9432 3 жыл бұрын
I do it the same way.
@mtpocketbuilds4286
@mtpocketbuilds4286 3 жыл бұрын
One other question, do you not think cold water on the B half of the second mold would help in your cycle time ?
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Hi , thanks for watching and your feedback. I think in this particular mold, cooling off the B side with water would probably give me short shots. I'm actually surprised that the mold temp didn't rise out of control on this run. Also, my water chiller may not bee able to keep up with cooling the molding machine if I went faster.
@glennedward2201
@glennedward2201 3 жыл бұрын
We use similar setups with those inexpensive winches for our 4th axis machines so we can lift the indexers off to one side when not used. They actually work very well given their low cost. What would be an approx cost to run 1000 similar parts like those? We have a product that will need to be injection molded at some point in the near future. .
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
I usually bill the press time out at $70 per hour and charge for the color batch and plastic stock if I don't have it. Do you have a mold or does that need made? Thanks for watching!
@user-yy2of3xt8t
@user-yy2of3xt8t 3 жыл бұрын
ขอบคุณครับ
@nc.92
@nc.92 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for showing the mold with moving parts. I've always wanted to know how it works. How to get glossy surfaces of the parts? What is the service life of an aluminum mold without moving parts?
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
I think for the glossy surface, you only need some polishing paste. In the past, he polished molds using some kind of cerium metal polish, so I assume that's what he used here. No idea about tool life though.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes Vincent is right, I use IOSSO metal polish or aluminum oxide slurry followed by cerium oxide slurry, ( mcmaster carr to buy powder) The surface is raster cut with high RPM and low tool step over, then polish. A Alum mold without moving parts can last ~10,000 shots assuming there are minimal fragile features like long pins. you can also rework the parting line to fix flash problems but your part gets shorter. Thanks for watching!
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
@@DragonflyEngineering I mean, why shouldn't I watch? I have clearly gone pretty deep into the youtube machinist community, since Blondi (which sent me here) had ~30k subs at that time. And I also like computer stuff and robotics, so this is the optimal channel! If you want, you can give us some short snippets in the story (since I assume that takes less work than cutting a complete video), or give us sneak peeks of what is to come.
@Jeff-D
@Jeff-D 3 жыл бұрын
You can also add heat for a glossy surface. Sometimes packing will help. I once had to pack out a part at 28,000 ppsi to get the finish that was required.
@mixiepalms8338
@mixiepalms8338 5 ай бұрын
one quick question,? no dryer for the abs? hope that is to ask
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 5 ай бұрын
The Dryer is in the next room over. I think at that time I would load ~20 KG of plastic from the dryer into a hopper on the floor. The ABS needs to be dry, 165°F for 4 hours. Thanks for watching!
@DJPLAST2
@DJPLAST2 3 жыл бұрын
Invest in a 30-36" long chain with a hook on only one end, get rid of the strap! Strap has way too much give to "catch" the weight as it comes off the platen. Also release the mold from the moving platen and open the press before releasing from the hot side. Also note that the ejector pins will NEVER hit the cavity face with proper length return pins, that is what they are for, to return the ejector plate. Just some observations for now, 40+ years building and running injection molds here, have seen and done some wild "accidents" during those years!
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips. I will get that chain and hook ASAP. will keep my fingers out of the pully too. I do typically put return pins in molds, unless I don't have time due to customer rush, like this one.
@LittleRainGames
@LittleRainGames 3 жыл бұрын
how many tons is that machine? not weight, but like 60, 100? once my new house is built i plan to get one, and want to produce cases maybe 2 thirds the size of that.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
It is a 90 metric ton, 99 US ton clamp . It runs on 220V 3 phase 60 amps. I did run the 40 ton press with stepper drive motor at my house with a 30 hp rotary phase converter Gotta be sure you can handle motor inrush current if using an induction motor...
@waynespyker5731
@waynespyker5731 3 жыл бұрын
Be careful to keep your wedge angle as less as possible. Saw a mold with deep side walls with 40 degree wedge angles open the press on injection. I always made my cam pin angle 5 degree less than the wedge. Have seen cam actions lock when both are the same angle from heat expansion or close clearance cam pin holes in the wedge. You may want to add hardened wear plates under your wedges, also harden your slide retainers. The return, sprue puller and ejector pins function in aluminum flawlessly being nitrided, you want the same finish and hardness.
@PeckhamHall
@PeckhamHall Жыл бұрын
Probably know but if you get a air pressure regulator on the air inlet port wright on the side of the mould, it will sometimes help greatly, it will limit the air volume by limiting the pressure but on ejection contiune suppling air volume. You've just got to start low and build up until it hits the sweet spot, you done even need a gauge if you plan to leave it attached to the tool. Jim🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@DieselRamcharger
@DieselRamcharger 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating Stuff. Being a 99 ton machine. Is that the clamp force? Im curious why such a high clamp force is needed? Is the injection pressure very high too? Ive only messed with those little hand injection molders...and they dont seem to require much force at all.
@dwaynesykes694
@dwaynesykes694 3 ай бұрын
I think he states 20,000 psi in the video, which is within the normal range for injection molding (~10k-20k psi). That's a lot of pressure trying to push the mold open.
@DieselRamcharger
@DieselRamcharger 3 ай бұрын
@@dwaynesykes694 that is pretty crazy.
@krunalpilojpara6009
@krunalpilojpara6009 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative video
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching!
@krunalpilojpara6009
@krunalpilojpara6009 3 жыл бұрын
@@DragonflyEngineering Please made video on dr. Boy's MMI functions such as injection, clamping and other functions if possible, Thank for your reply I appreciate your work
@abcdefghijk6704
@abcdefghijk6704 2 жыл бұрын
31:55 - Nope! Angle pins and wear plates are at different angles. Should be in a real mold. On purpose.
@VorpalGun
@VorpalGun 3 жыл бұрын
Are the waste parts at the beginning and waste plastic in the runners, flash and so on recycled? Do you grind them up and use it in future jobs? As I recently got a 3D printer, this is something I stareted to worry about, in order to reduce my environmental impact as much as possible.
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think one can easily do so. The plastic is in the form of pellets, and their size is pretty consistent. Also, plastic degraded when it is heated. And regarding your printer: I assume you don't go through a spool per week, so the plastic waste produced by it is irrelevant compared to what gets thrown away in cars (the entire dashboard is an injection-molded plastic part), appliances and packaging material. I'm not saying that you should be ignorant to the environment, but the amount of waste produced by support material is rather low compared to everything else. And if you worry about the environment, try to get the plastic to a recycling facility (preferably sorted by type), and make sure it doesn't get shipped to Africa. Same goes for old electronics.
@VorpalGun
@VorpalGun 3 жыл бұрын
@@vincentguttmann2231 Fortunately the recycling system is rather good here in Sweden. However, recycling PLA seems to be a bit of an issue, there doesn't seem to be many facilities capable of doing so. And yes, I'm sorting it by type (PLA and PETG so far).
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
@@VorpalGun well, yeah, PLA is very hard to recycle, but technically, it is compostable, meaning that it decomposes over years in a landfill, and turns back into lactic acid and so.
@VorpalGun
@VorpalGun 3 жыл бұрын
@@vincentguttmann2231 There seems to be some doubts about that, with some sources on KZfaq saying that it it only compostable at high (80 C) temperatures with special microbial cultures. So not in an ordinary landfill.
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 3 жыл бұрын
@@VorpalGun Well, according to some papers, PLA degraded best in an industrial composting unit, since its temps are higher, but if we wait ten years or so, an ordinary landfill will do the job just fine.
@MG-gj6vh
@MG-gj6vh 3 жыл бұрын
Hallo, what type and make is this moulding machine?
@garethatkinson7765
@garethatkinson7765 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a boy
@Jeff-D
@Jeff-D 3 жыл бұрын
@@garethatkinson7765 He did say it was German. Probably an older Boy. The newer ones have very different controllers.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
It is a Boy 90 that is ~15 years old. The new ones have stepper motor drives and fancy controls. I have other videos showing the other 2 Boy machines in the shop
@aminemagria1988
@aminemagria1988 Жыл бұрын
Tooop
@mouldinjection3351
@mouldinjection3351 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to our cooperation
@mtpocketbuilds4286
@mtpocketbuilds4286 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of miss the molding industry, but the auto industry ruined my taste for it, would love to have to have a small consumer based shop of my own.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
it is fun, I do get fussy customers too at times
@garethatkinson7765
@garethatkinson7765 3 жыл бұрын
How you have all your fingers I'll never know.
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
was there a particular point in the video that concerned you? The molding machine is triple safety interlocked ( mechanical, electrical and hydraulic) to prevent injury from standard operation
@DragonflyEngineering
@DragonflyEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
actually I saw my rubber glove got caught in the wench pulley. I will add a finger guard to the pulley to prevent any possible pinch point
@garethatkinson7765
@garethatkinson7765 3 жыл бұрын
All of it! your standards are very poor. You explained your tool was 275kg then you continue to lift it on a winch where you can clearly see the markings along the jib for swl, then you go beyond it. You have your fingers behind the mould while is swinging about against the platen. That strap is absolutely ridiculous, requires a lifting bar. This is not a good example of how you safely change a mould. Its very poor.
@chamchamal1978
@chamchamal1978 3 жыл бұрын
Sir , compare to what we do , you guys mould in Stone Age era lol , but also very interesting tho ! wouldn't it be better to take backpressure off just to mould a 1st shot then before you send a Carriage back , you could get a 2nd stroke ready ?
@leobelpalmones5921
@leobelpalmones5921 2 жыл бұрын
Thats my old job...
@tomenders6097
@tomenders6097 3 жыл бұрын
You should be cooling that mold to about 120F, not heating it.
@plasticman3952
@plasticman3952 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is butchering some known plastic industry terms. Use FILL instead of SQUIRT, and AUGERS convey materials. Reciprocating SCREWS heat, blend, and meters a uniform fill to the mold. Also, the plastic held ahead of the screw is called the CUSHION and without a consistent cushion fill and part dimensions are compromised.
@kells9k
@kells9k Жыл бұрын
how big are you good sir? and yes I'm referring to the snake
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