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Proof & Prooflike Morgan Dollars - How to Tell the Difference - MS66 & MS67 Morgans, Proof 1879 Dime

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Here are some tips on how to tell if an older coin is actually a proof, or just prooflike. Plus, some other cool coins to look at.
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@judesullivan2502
@judesullivan2502 6 ай бұрын
Took me way too long to find a video like this. Thank you
@prawnstar9213
@prawnstar9213 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Finally someone talks about Morgan PROOF! So difficult to have graded correctly!!!!! Like almost impossible if you’re not known in the business. The dead giveaway is that I think you called it acrylic?? I call it waxy over glaze.. not all have perfect rims but they will be square along with boxy denticles. Higher “hair bumps” than BS. Boxy raised lettering and numbers
@thewolfe1099
@thewolfe1099 3 ай бұрын
Great video Ben. I have always wondered the answer to the question that you posed and answered in this video. I really appreciate showing the details of the rim that explain the difference. This question has bugged me for years
@MichaelC_22
@MichaelC_22 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video topic. I've been on the hunt for a nice MS66-MS67 Morgan.
@chrisramirez980
@chrisramirez980 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. what's one of those worth to you?
@morgansinner
@morgansinner Ай бұрын
I searched for a video that explains this different for quite awhile here on your channel but could never find one, then low and behold this one appears in my "recommended " long after I'd given up the search...go figure 🥴
@jrduke45
@jrduke45 3 жыл бұрын
This was one of the better videos I've seen in a long time. I study Coins very often but I feel like you just got my knowledge up way better! Thanks for the schooling Ben! Have a good weekend.
@doctorgoldbud1321
@doctorgoldbud1321 Жыл бұрын
I got 1889 s that looks proof like Morgan
@brucetelfeyan
@brucetelfeyan 4 ай бұрын
I would love to have a proof Morgan. Maybe someday! Thank you for energizing me in that direction!
@staleydu1
@staleydu1 3 жыл бұрын
Like most, prefer the 98-o over the 1903. The 98-o is gorgeous and looks like a 67. Not sure about the 1903 but that might be the toning. Thanks Ben. Keep up the videos.
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek 3 жыл бұрын
That 1903 needs a new case!
@TheRugghead
@TheRugghead 3 жыл бұрын
Very educational. Thank you
@SpokaneSilverStacker
@SpokaneSilverStacker 2 жыл бұрын
Learn something new about Morgan’s all the time. Man I’d like a Morgan with a proof only designation like the one you showed
@ronaldhigashiyana4607
@ronaldhigashiyana4607 2 жыл бұрын
The unique "stuff" you find doesn't really last long on either site. Thanks for the great information in your videos. Great education for the new and even experienced collector.
@twojags88
@twojags88 3 ай бұрын
I like the 1898 ms66 and prefer a new shiny look versus toning. Although I don’t like those long cracks. Those proofs are spectacular !
@fifteenbyfive
@fifteenbyfive 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for teaching about the wire rims I was not aware of any of that but this was a perfect first lesson. So many amazing Morgan silver dollars here lately! Wow!
@arnival3694
@arnival3694 Жыл бұрын
More like this . Semi high grade rarities tutorial . Ty ty
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek Жыл бұрын
Cool- thanks.
@Ontario100
@Ontario100 3 жыл бұрын
WOW. Love that proof Morgan. Thanks for all the good information too! 😀👍
@conradpons9238
@conradpons9238 3 жыл бұрын
Very educational my man. I'm armed with knowledge about what a proof Morgan looks like. I have never seen one ever,in person like in a coin shop, cool video 😃👍✌
@davidufford1328
@davidufford1328 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome details preserved on the reverse of that dime. The 98O is the most attractive of the dollars, but that proof is something that is pretty unique. Great show and tell on the wire rim and denticles.
@jameskerry3826
@jameskerry3826 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Excellent information.
@feelalive1890
@feelalive1890 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for useful info about wire rim of proof coins. A great respect for your job!!!
@masterofcents.8175
@masterofcents.8175 3 жыл бұрын
To me it’s quite obvious the difference but I am so used to looking at other coins that it is nice to see it on those. Thank you that was a cool video..
@wangdang2220
@wangdang2220 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do another in depth video explaining morgan proofs? Seems like your the only one on you tube with a video about them
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek 3 жыл бұрын
I better go buy one 😆
@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659
@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659 3 жыл бұрын
The 1903 just doesn’t have quite enough luster for me to be worthy of a 67. That 66+ is a super solid example though and I wouldn’t bat an eye if it were in a 67 holder 👍
@timothyloyd3802
@timothyloyd3802 3 жыл бұрын
All my Morgan dollars are ms64 or lower. But I love looking at all your great coins. Thanks
@jamesgoss1860
@jamesgoss1860 3 жыл бұрын
That 66+ is a knockout, nice depth to the fields and devices. The 67 looks flat by comparison.
@evenruderanger7617
@evenruderanger7617 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I'd take the 66 any day. That 67 could never get one of those stupid green stickers that confirm the grade. If you switched the grades, I wouldn't bat an eye.
@ShutterEmotions123
@ShutterEmotions123 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Morgans indeed!👍
@charlesadkins7067
@charlesadkins7067 3 жыл бұрын
great info ben awesome coins
@mikepalet122
@mikepalet122 3 жыл бұрын
WOWWWZERS Awesome Amazing Morgan's wow
@michaelslocinski7171
@michaelslocinski7171 5 ай бұрын
Hey Ben, I actually have an 1898-O graded MS66 by PCGS and I just checked it and it has the same planchet infirmity as the coin in this video, your 1898-O PCGS MS66+. Maybe a VAM for the year? Just thought I’d share!
@MikeSmith-yo9ch
@MikeSmith-yo9ch 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ben for sharing those awesome examples of Morgan Dollars . I think the M.S. - 66+ should have got M.S. - 67 .
@silversurfer1986
@silversurfer1986 3 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous proofs Ben! Love both. I am in the market for a proof Seated Half. Still haven't one yet. I love my PR Morgan. Yes they are harsh on them. But rightfully so. Proofs display all of the details. Rubs of the coin really standout as hairlines with the super reflective fields. Anyhow, thanks for sharing!
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully a proof seated half is in our near future!
@fivefourbravoandlittlebrav3640
@fivefourbravoandlittlebrav3640 3 жыл бұрын
Think the 98 66+ was way better and overall mutch more pretty. The 92 proof is lovely shiney coin.
@stackattackerwager2541
@stackattackerwager2541 3 жыл бұрын
Some awsome Morgans there hope to have a 67 in my collection one day thanks for sharing
@TheMakaveli96
@TheMakaveli96 3 жыл бұрын
Want to thx you iv been looking for a vidoe like this for a while I got a 1886 morgan with the wire rim on the back on one side
@everettwhite9874
@everettwhite9874 2 жыл бұрын
I wish someone was tracking toning on coins based on storage conditions, eg 2x2, slab, other and including the general temperature range the coins might have been stored. Basically I’m interested in how much toning occurs and how long it takes for toning to occur. Nice coins you have and I love that blue toning. 👍🏽
@ericdawson845
@ericdawson845 3 жыл бұрын
IMO, the 1898 O looks better than the 1903, even though a half point behind. The proof dollar gets a 62 in my book with a lot of hairlines and the contact marks in the field to the right of Liberty bust, even scratches such as like on her neck.
@nasirhusainsmansuri9990
@nasirhusainsmansuri9990 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for information 👍
@tekvet01
@tekvet01 3 жыл бұрын
Love the proofs! Great info in the video.
@prawnstar9213
@prawnstar9213 Жыл бұрын
Agree on the harsh grade for that proof. You find pr-65s that look worse than that
@jamesgoss1860
@jamesgoss1860 3 жыл бұрын
One giveaway for a proof Morgan for me is how sharp and defined the denticles look. (Edit: I made that comment before I got to the part where you spoke of that very thing)
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, but we are speaking the same language!
@jameskerry3826
@jameskerry3826 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that the 1903 MS 67 (seems to have a relatively weak strike...esp. noticeable on the week eagle's feathers)...yet it still got the extremely high grade. I read in books and have heard years ago, that if there's a weak strike, even if near perfect cheek/fields, etc, it can never get above a 65. Any comments are appreciated. Thank you.
@upnorthcollector3267
@upnorthcollector3267 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Letsallcalmdown
@Letsallcalmdown Ай бұрын
If i have a Morgan 1879 silver dollar with no CC or O or S no markings then how do i know if it’s considered ‘proof’ whatever that means ??
@masterofcents.8175
@masterofcents.8175 3 жыл бұрын
The dime is top shelf stuff..
@Pacificstacker
@Pacificstacker 3 жыл бұрын
Great info. Almost as great as that morgan. Thanks
@pdstor
@pdstor 2 жыл бұрын
Second comment, since it is a PF, aren't the standards themselves different for the scale due to how categorically different the type of coin is?
@simbathewhitelion887
@simbathewhitelion887 2 жыл бұрын
What would be the simple comparison of PF Morgan and Morgan DMPL?
@pdstor
@pdstor 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the triplepost, but I think they made the proofs at multiple mints! My guess doing a super lowball is 10-20k, which is fair to do considering they've had over a century to be subjected to all sorts of sad fates. They gave these to governors and colleges, so I can imagine a governor not caring for coins doing something like tipping a waitress with it, and it eventually winds up flea marketed to some excited knowitnone old fart who promptly takes it home and wirebrushes it to death. Or there could be some across several campuses stored in boxes, forgotten and just ... waiting. At any rate, I wonder if 2023's proofs will try to be styled similarly, and if so, how much that will change the price of these old proofs. PLs and DPLs will always have their own market for the reasons you mentioned, as they are somehow far stronger than any proof even made more recently in 90% and each just has that unique character about them, but these proofs will soon have only history on their side instead of overall type rarity. My guess, though, is that the proofs next year (though no doubt sure to be nice) will not at all be like that - I didn't even see these reflecting you, so I don't know if they are more of a satin finish proof like you mentioned, or if these tone well, or even if you just didn't get a good angle, not wanting to accidentally self-dox! Anyhow, loved the video! Coins deserve to be showed off, so thanks for showing them to us.
@pdstor
@pdstor 2 жыл бұрын
Eagle looked a little strapped for chest feathers for an MS67.
@robertkeesee630
@robertkeesee630 2 жыл бұрын
Could you look at a coin for me.. Im trying to figure out if it's proof or prooflike.. it's a 1904 o Morgan dollar
@antfrey302
@antfrey302 3 жыл бұрын
BEAUTIFUL HIGH QAULITY PIECES! LOVE THE TONERS!🤤😍🤤😍🤤😍
@davidho2977
@davidho2977 3 жыл бұрын
On the 03 MS 67, the strike isn't that good. Look at the hair over the ear. Or is that worn dies? With the toning, it's hard to judge the luster.
@singlesideman
@singlesideman 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish there were a different term for wire rims on coins. It's the wrong word to describe a sharp rim. A wire rim means that the rim is shaped like a wire, which is a thin, round surface, not a sharp edge with sharp sides.
@masterofcents.8175
@masterofcents.8175 3 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised the 66+ did not get a green bean.
@doctorgoldbud1321
@doctorgoldbud1321 Жыл бұрын
Do you want to sell some of those coins I like the 1892 Morgan dollar s Ms 63
@doctorgoldbud1321
@doctorgoldbud1321 Жыл бұрын
Do you sell your coins,
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek Жыл бұрын
When we make new videos , if there are coins available they have links in the video content page of the video . Or just check out the site... www.oldpueblocoin.com
@chrisramirez980
@chrisramirez980 3 жыл бұрын
What's an 1881 O MS67 worth?
@beastmodeforever86
@beastmodeforever86 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely the 98o
@theblake5356
@theblake5356 3 жыл бұрын
That 1903 is a tad over-graded.
@TheCoinGeek
@TheCoinGeek 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't have the eye appeal - and needs a fresh holder.
@CDubRealTalk
@CDubRealTalk 3 жыл бұрын
It has better detail in the hair over the ear
@dskinyc
@dskinyc Жыл бұрын
This is a late comment, but the '03 is badly over graded.
@champstar9669
@champstar9669 3 жыл бұрын
Does this video count as college credit? I feel like I just got educated. :o)
@rogelfortugaliza7018
@rogelfortugaliza7018 3 жыл бұрын
I have Morgan dollar sir u buy
@beastmodeforever86
@beastmodeforever86 2 жыл бұрын
Weak strike on the eagles breast 1903
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