Completely agree and I ll add arrogant, entitled and stupid

You would be surprised how many other women defend her actions and believed she wouldn't be found guilty. Also saying Shannon was effective as counsel. Tge whole time....to myself I'm like. What trial are you watching.?

If she had remorse that would prove her guilt. She didn't kill anyone.

@@greggdorgan4412 she tried to play stupid with the cable lock. Yet willing admits she likes skeet shooting over target. Very bad move. You can shoot multiples but not lock a gun. Very silly defense as an adult/parent.

@@johnnynobuddy1 Unfortunately there are no manuals on parenting but the government making laws to enforce it is not the answer either. The problem in our country is lack of spirituality in our schools. Our kids are running on their own will, parents are running on their own will and lack a higher power to help direct their thinking. So the result is depression, anxiety, and ultimately mental illness over a long period of time. Im not a religious person but damn, since they took God out of schools it sure has changed things for the worse.

I was just about to say the same thing.

Right! That attorney was acting so unprofessional !!

She has no clue and imo very inexperienced

It is what it is... According to her

How would you defend a lying, self-centered mother, who wouldn't do anything differently(per her own admission)? There was nothing to defend.

She's not being charged for f**king😮 She's off bringing home a paycheck, the dad is the unemployed parent at home😊

@@shindlesall due respect, but are you actually high? The child had already been plotting and filming his plan to murder innocent students. The child had also been hallucinating and mom was WELL aware of it and actively ignoring the issues. Just because mom never took him to get a proper diagnosis/treatment, doesn’t mean he didn’t have mental illnesses.

But she washed her hair and dressed up today

Yep. Find her guilty of involuntary manslaughter because she had an affair… wow

@@cf6393lol😂

But she’s mad he ruined her life.

The mother of that child is utterly callous she has no emotions.

And if she sat there and cried you all would be saying she’s not crying because of what happened and she feels sorry for the victim. She’s crying for herself 🤷🏻‍♀️ nothing she says or does or is going to appease any of you

​@@tammyirwin703yes! You understand this. Look at my comment. She isn't being aggressive with the prosecutor. She isn't denying anything, she isn't being difficult..but everyone sees that as emotionless.. they are utterly clueless.

@@lydibug51 at the beginning of the trial they were all having a fit because she was crying showing emotion, because that was the first time she had seen for herself, the carnage that her son created. But now that she’s on the stand, keeping her emotions and check people have to say she’s cold she’s heartless she’s callous blah blah blah 🤷🏻‍♀️

The gun safe never had a combination it was at the default 000. This is same as putting gun on coffee table.

@Kindisbetter Thank you. That is the whole point. This tragedy was 💯 preventable had the parents simply obeyed the laws governing handguns.

Securing that gun could have prevented the whole Oxford High School shooting

Or purchasing alcohol for a minor

So if anyone you know commits a crime you go to jail as well what a brilliant legal precedent

I agree , she seems very passive.

Right to the defense laugh and state attorney say this an-it funny it she a pathetic

@@iveliserojas612 the defence council is shockingly rude and disrespectful. I'm in the UK and it's very different here - I worked in a civil court system and it's very strict , formal and the barristers are absolutely best behaviour before the judge. It's the way she conducts herself , seems either very new to her profession or downright unprofessional.

This is very unusual here too! The defense attorney is very unprofessional.

I was going to comment how the judge treats the defense attorney like she’s her daughter. It’s weird and obvious.

You are an example of a great parent!!! I’m sorry you went through all that but you parented when these two just couldn’t bother!! Too busy and reckless with their child, sending him out into their community with a deadly weapon-so so dangerous…I hope they are held accountable!

Hats off to you as a single mother you did what most be able to cope with. I can't believe how awful these parents are they really think they did nothing wrong. 😢

You did everything you could sister.. you tried to help at every turn. You even admitted that you were willing to try whatever it took to get your kid some help.. you tried. God bless

You want easy access to guns then don't give crocodile tears when your children are murdered by them. America is one big asylum full of insane people who regard themselves as normal.

You went through so much. I hope things are better for your family these days.

You want easy access to guns then don't give crocodile tears when your children are murdered by them. America is one big asylum full of insane people who regard themselves as normal.

I know. "Ooh, exciting" "We might blush" as the prosecutor is allowed to use further questions of a sexual nature/them is ridiculous from the defense. I have never seen such activity before. The judge shakes her head as defense says, 'we might blush' but refuses to sanction her. WTF! That is crazy.

The defense lawyer, Shannon Smith, has a bright future as a Trump lawyer.

@@Willthethrill478 why does everything have to be about Trump or Biden? 🙄

@@robinette64 bc that’s the world we live in, get used to it

100% agree and she allows the defence attorney to just jump up and interrupt the prosecution numerous times without admonishing her as to proper courtroom procedure.

Either did judge Dorrow in the Darryl Brooks trial. She let Brooks act out for days!!!!

@@lizadivine3785she did that so he couldn’t get a mistrial! Which is what he was trying to get. That judge knew exactly what she was doing, this one doesn’t!

@@lizadivine3785Very true. 💯. The brooks trial was the worse trial I ever seen in my life.

@@brandi-sheree baloney

Cos she's cold and emotionless

Totally inappropriate to say that after the reality of what her son did and the lives lost. The utter destruction of the victims families lives and her sons future is over - , her dismissal of all the signs she missed and she says she would change nothing. 😮😢

She just has no common sense, a lot of ppl don't.

@@inksterinky9820 😪

That’s the defense. She can’t say she’d change something bc it’s admitting a certain culpability

😂

What's blowing my mind is all the talking head lawyers saying *she's a good lawyer* Like, are we watching the same person

She said she loves to watch her favorite show with her Daughter. Her favorite show being the Kardashians for heaven's sake! 🙄 That told me everything about her. I would no more expose 1 of my children to the Kardashian trash family than a man on the moon. So gross.

It’s an embarrassment

Shannon smiths idiotic "objection" during closing proves her ineptitude not only as an adult but as an attorney. She has no control of her Self, her mouth.

I feel the judge is bias towards the defence no judge in their right mind wld have put up with Shannon's bs unless that was the case.

Not the brightest crayon in the BOX

I have!

But like, that's the entire point of explaining your legal rights & counsel; to understand the question being asked to make sure you answer it correctly.

100%. This case needs to be overturned due to a lot of effective counsel.

agreed. judge sounded a little sloshed 4mins in.

She literally said "it is what it is" when she objected to her affairs Possibly the worst phase she could have uttered, considering the circumstances

Judge is waiting for the attorneys direction. Awful. This human also did what he did, mom is not at fault

Horrible defense attorney and judge wtf

💯

Women lost that right & choice after the dobbs decision.

It's Hillary Clinton's battle cry of "it takes a village " that women decided that it's OK to drop off your baby as early as 6 weeks to the government and sitters to mold into adulthood.

She's so effing horrid!

Yucks

sick. I had just looked up the name of the website. Ugh.

I couldn’t believe when Crumbley’s attorney said that- was she being sarcastic- implying that the prosecutor wanted to get into this trashy stuff, or is she just trashy? I’m not sure!!

Being that the defense attorney is not good at her job will be a reason for appeal.

Prison isn’t conducive to mental and physical well being. As narcissistic and self centered as she appears to be, I imagine she’s quite distressed. She can’t fraternize or carry on her selfish endeavors.

She doesn’t even look like the same person at all!

It’s all those bologna sandwiches at the jail

It's hard to believe. Looks like a completely different perspn

@@ecclairmayo4153 I know! It looks like they have the wrong woman!

In the Costco parking lot no less! Jennifer is simply put, gutter trash

7:35 As she states; it didn't take a lot of time/attention away to do so. 🙄

She had an answer for everything. Does her lawyer pay any attention.

She looks crazy. Now we know what type of parents raise school shooters.

She thinks she is a helicopter parent. She has no concept of what a real parent does

Yes VERY. cold as ice ,! Do u think she should be held accountable? Wonder what ur opinion is ,if ya don't mind me asking...cause i sure as heck think she should be !! Especially after this cross. Yikes.

Absolutely

Nonchalant, flippant, cocky, smart ass. Not a good look!

It didn't take long to ascertain defence att is an idiotic drama queen.

Did you hear her the other day when she couldn't find the papers she needed, she said "just shoot me!" Can you believe that one?

@@joanbreva7251 that’s wrong. She couldn’t get the laptop going and she said I’m going to Lill myself

@@joanbreva7251yeah so insane…in front of grieving family of gun violence.

I was actually cringing listening to the defense comments 😬 I feel bad for the prosecution who is treating this trial with the seriousness it deserves and the judge and defense are making it a mockery.

Then said a second later “I didn’t say I took the gun away “

Phone.

I heard that too and then she lied and said she did not say that. Boy, she lies so easily.

Timestamp?

49:42 prosecution questioning her on stand

the school isn't liable for atrocious parenting.

I blame the school more than I do her

The school is definitely culpable

The are responsible to keep the other kids safe. They also should have sent him home and checked his backpack! @@clitsing6034

If the school isn't going to be held accountable, Jennifer shouldn't be either. This is officially a witch hunt. Especially sense learning what the defense presented during her examination of Jennifer. She spent more time vacationing with her son and his friend than most parents can afford to financially do. She literally took the school shooter on vacations and outings almost every month. The school shooter wanted to murder people. End of the story.

Yes cause she’s objected to everything else.

Yeh. Very annoying that this so-called judge doesn't have control over the court. The attorney testifying rather than examining the witness, and failure by defense to employ accepted legal objections is upsetting.

In this courtroom the judge just lets them give long-winded objections. I don't think they even say objection, they just stand up and talk and talk and talk over one another.

Every time I hear the defense attorney speak I want to scream!!!

​@@vjc1902And all right in front of the jury!!

I also think the prosecution might have a steep hill to go up. The only thing they have is he had access to the gun. The fact she had an affair has nothing to do this.

The defense sounds like a petulant child.

I can't believe talking head lawyers are saying she is a good lawyer too

@@phoenixmerridian9119 I saw some Attorney on KZfaq saying her closing argument was great. I wondered if we watched the same trial.

@@4H2O4EVERI can't imagine they would even bring this up if it were a man on trial!

Who says jury finds her sympathetic

I couldn't even imagine that

I haven’t seen it anywhere either but maybe because she’s “talking” to the jury like Amber Heard did 🤷🏼‍♀️

Jury found her guilty pretty fast

There are NO words for the defense attorney

Yea she’s horrible

Wow ,😮. I missed that. Unreal !

One word sums her up pathetic

Never have I heard such a weak defense. It seems the first 20 minutes was Shannon Smith defending herself for all her trashiness making it seem acceptable to be such an unaware, self-absorbed, workaholic, drunk, pill popping, adulterous, emotionally abusive, dumbed down parent

You want easy access to guns then don't give crocodile tears when your children are murdered by them. America is one big asylum full of insane people who regard themselves as normal.

That kid has a Brother. Who used to live with them. He had to leave. He said Jennifer Crumbley is an absolute lunatic monster. He knew long ago Ethan was severely mentally ill. The signs were there long long ago. He couldn't live with then. Because they are all basket cases. Ethan is just like his Mother. That's where his mental problems came from.

@@alesiap.6062they had another son? Really? I was baffled when she said Ethan was an oops baby cos I figured there must be another kid but since he was not even mentioned, it led me to assume she only had Ethan

@@suzymoroka297 Ethan's Dad has other kids with his previous Wife. They are only his, not Jennifer's. She only had Ethan. But Ethan's Dad's Son stayed with them a few years ago for awhile. He wanted a everyday relationship with his Dad. And he had to end up leaving and going back with his Mom in a different State. He literally said Jennifer was a monster and ruled over everybody hand and fist. Including his Dad and Ethan. He also said it was clear Ethan was not right mentally. But Jennifer would not even discuss the matter. It's clear to see why. Because she didn't want to deal with the fact he got his mental issues from her. She has mental issues herself. And always did, since she was a kid. He said Jennifer was a narcissist and a monster.

@@alesiap.6062 thanks for giving me context. She’s so detached and distant from anything to do with her son. When she said that with hindsight she wouldn’t do anything differently I was floored

I find him very irritating.

@@cocoa-nuts2670 I find him to be a very arrogant prick

Wow is all I can say to the mother and you

If the kid had a mental illness, why was he prosecuted and sentence as a normal person ? Mentally ill people do not stand trials!!! They go to mental institutions not jails!How can you find the kid not mentally sick but claim that the parents were negligent but not providing help for his mental sickness ???

Are you kidding. It’s almost impossible to get off pleading insanity. Dalmer, Charles Manson, Vallow. The list is endless are all in jail. A very large population of the prison are insane people.

a lawyer should be disbarred for following the law? i’m confused. and your replacement idea is for them to do something illegal (not allow their client their own LEGAL right AND choice to testify)? is your continuing idea that lawyers that break the law should/would still practice law? 😂 are you…12? let’s disbar all lawyers who do their jobs! wtf 😂 i can’t. 🍿😂

​@@jendee1260people in the comments think they're smarter than actual attorneys

Or maybe better gun control

Talk to the NRA. The NRA blocks absolutely EVERY reasonable regulation introduced. You cannot blame schools when the NRA is kneecapping our entire country.

@@beans2744taking guns away won’t solve the “killing problem”…. Guns are inanimate objects. I saw in the news, the UK is trying to make knives illegal now. Mental health is where the solution lies. Proper parenting by morally sound and caring people is where the solution lies. It’s not as sexy- but it’s reality.

Gun control! Human are feelings centric and infallible. We cannot trust schools and parents to do the right thing!

My proposal Oxford law. When anyone buys or registers a gun they must declare if they have children in school or college. The said colleges and schools are notified and flags placed on child's personal file and it follows child as they move. Parents should be advised if gun is used in school shooting they will be implicated. Find out how fast and thorough they are locked up then.

I k r. Wow. I can't believe tbh shes coming as a cocky b**** ..there's four dead students. Others wounded n everyone that was there prob has some form of PTSD AND son is doin life damn shame.

You want easy access to guns then don't give crocodile tears when your children are murdered by them. America is one big asylum full of insane people who regard themselves as normal.

She hardly looks like she is in her 30’s look again, or maybe you need readers. Kindly,

I agree with you!! Her closing arguments in the shooters Miller hearing (I think that's the right term) was amazing too.

​@@kelseyflynn9606 agree. That was such a difficult hearing to get through. Marc Keast is awesome too.

Her father’s devotion may have been enabling behavior which is why as a parent she’s awful.

That sure shows her priorities.

She is awful and didn’t give a crap about her son really arrogant as well no wonder he had problems

Omg, her son did not have health insurance? 😮

For all you idiots Ethan was on his fathers insurance until his father lost his job in October. Jennifer was waiting for open enrollment with her job that started November 30 to add him to her insurance plan so get the fax before you start running your fucking mouth.

​@@mareezynope

…and all the deadly ammunition he told you to buy…

I absolutely agree with you. The parents could have been the best parents amd this could have happened. And then you​ see how these parents failed him by not seeing the warning signs@shindles

@@shindles manipulation or not, if either one of the parents took the bare minimum time to be a parent none of this would have happened. The mother is trying to manipulate as well now, saying she was a "helicopter parent" yet didn't even bother as to go as far as to check his journal where all the confessions were written. She was too busy caught up in her own life to give a single fuck about what was really going on with her son and she happily accepted whatever excuse (if any) he gave to her. Now Mom is trying to play the blame game and is pointing all her fingers at the school and Daddy when any REAL "helicopter parent" wouldn't have wanted a gun in the house in the first place, but what does this lady do? She BRAGS on social media about her Disturbed Son's Xmas Present. If they're truly was any manipulation on the Son's part then anyone with a Brain can see by watching this trial that it was learned by this so called Mother. Lock her up and throw away the key! Otherwise she'll just try to run again then claim it's because she was "Scared", haha. Edit: words misheard by Voice to Text.

@@lydibug51 SERIOUSLY! If they would have just done the bare minimum none of this would have happened. Now you have people dead for no reason and the so-called parents blaming one another. So Gross. Fingers crossed that they find her Guilty!

@luigi57968 I respectfully disagree with you. The prosecution is bringing in things that aren't relevant to the case. Are you a parent? Now I'm not condoning her having an affair. But I am a parent. When my son was 15, it was the most confusing time in my life because he changed right before my eyes. He went through puberty and didn't want anything to do with me. He didn't have a ton of friends. He was about to start his own band. I wasn't doing well myself at that time. I was struggling with alcohol abuse, and my daughter was in college. I was living with my boyfriend, whom both my children didn't like. I checked out a lot, but when I wasn't drinking, I was always talking to him about drugs. He wrote a song about me about how upset he was with me because he couldn't tell me himself. He always said he was okay even if I felt he wasn't. Ever wonder why girls haven't shot up any kids in their school? And especially those ages where bullies were relentless. Also, she wasn't happy about buying the gun. He asked for it. He wrote in his journal what he was going to do. She never saw the journal because he hid it from both of them. I grew up with so much trauma from my mentally ill mom and hated her and had thoughts of hurting her at that age. I also had journals that they never found. They both went to the school to address the teacher concerns about their son and was told it was fine to keep him in school but try to get him some therapy. She wrote to many of her friends that she was getting worried about him. It all happened so quickly. He wasn't showing signs of mental illness until it was too late. She explained on the stand that her hobby was her horses. There is nothing wrong with that. She brought him a few times, and then he stopped. No boy at 15 wants to hang out with his parents. I understand why everyone wants to blame her, but I see it differently. We blame it because we don't want to accept that a kid could be this evil to do something like this. He wrote it in his journal that he was going to kill people and spend the rest of his life in prison. He planned it out. The parents didn't say, "Hey, wanna get a gun..no he asked for it for Christmas. She kept it locked up and intended on him using it at the firing range. Everyone thinks she is emotionless but I see her answering every question the state asks. She isn't getting defensive. She is taking accountability that she didn't really see that much of a change in him because it happened so suddenly. The picture he drew was days before he killer those people. What could she have done? They were both working. The father was doing doordash.. I'm sure they were strapped for money. Things like this weigh alot on parents. I believe they were doing the best they could. They gave him whatever he wanted. He was pretty spoiled. So he was a spoiled kid who was not well and showing little signs of depression. If they both were drug addicts and the home was filthy, I would be more inclined to condemn her. Again my son at that age changed so quickly and yes he grew out of it. What about the parents that do everything for their kids and they get murdered by their own child? I just saw a case on that. He didn't like being told no. This kid didn't like being told no either. He alone did this. He premeditated it. He never said I need help. She asked him if he was okay because he seemed a little depressed and he said he was fine. He didn't want help because he didn't know how mentally ill he was, and it's not always noticeable to the parents until it's too late.

Maybe all those "responsible" gun owners will actually be responsible. Especially if they think it might affect THEIR lives.

Exactly.

Jennifer crumbley isn't going to win parent of the year!

She’s actually a disgusting lady. Sorry I know it’s irrelevant to the case, but my opinion is she is disgusting! Glad she was found Guilty for negligence…her son was definitely not her priority! She is paying for her poor choices… good !!

Yep, that proves she is Unlikable and unsympathetic, not guilty of negligence!

​@@mobeydick37no she can be all 3. They're not related

Agree. Neglect in so many areas

@@marciasimpson8852 neglect is way different than gross negligence

Gross negligence Expecting a child to live in filth (didn't happen overnight) Ignoring medical needs Leaving a gun with ammo unlocked All gross negligence

There are many times a teen is tried as an adult. It doesn't mean their parents aren't responsible for them

They was??

Agree 100%. Teenagers need parents' time and attention as much as younger children do.

@@shindles yes, but I’m saying the parents should have been more attentive beforehand. There’s always a reason why people become killers. Ethan is not the criminal mastermind or vicious psycho the media wants you to believe he is.

Uh did you not see and read the texts and msgs Ethan was sending to that "friend"? That friend clearly is as sick as Ethan is. Because no normal kid would ever receive msgs from a friend like what Ethan was sending him, and not inform an adult that their "friend" needed psychiatric help. He sent the video of him torturing and horrifically, painfully killing those poor baby birds. He talked endlessly to his friend about how much he enjoyed hurting those baby birds and hearing them scream in pain. He told that friend he had plans to kidnap, R 8pe and murder a fellow student at school who lived nearby. His "friend" informed nobody! And apparently was in to the very same sick things as Ethan. Go back and read what he sent this friend. You will be sickened and horrified. Anybody who got those kinds of msgs from their friend and actually did nothing about it, is as evil and twisted and psychotic as Ethan. The "friend" was sent away to a facility by his Parents because he was a mental case too!

​@@Invis3milOmg, yes he is!!!! Read his manifesto and texts to his "friend". Read what he did to those poor little baby birds! He filmed that!!!! He loved hurting those birds. You need to wake up! Ethan Crumbley is a derranged psychopath

​@@alesiap.6062wow, sickening.

All prosecutors are the biggest pieces of s**t to walk the earth, except for Creepy Joe. They only care about advancing themselves.

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

And her horses awful woman seems like a narcissist to me

I agree. I think they could have easily dispelled the notion she was an attentive helicopter mom.