No because gambling is forbidden

Brigham Young made a lot of bets. The most famous one was with Jim Bridger over being able to grow an ear of corn in salt lake valley. Brigham never did collect the money 😉

I have a hard time imagining this poker game actually taking place. If there were no alcohol, no money, no cigarettes, just a friendly game of cards then I guess it's conceivable but it's still a stretch of the imagination. I do know that as soon as anything like this gets out then it takes on a life of its own and is widely accepted as fact without checking the actual facts. It was often repeated but I know of no other source to corroborate this account. McConkie did say some things which were later discounted, particularly in regards to race and the Catholic Church. He publicly acknowledged that he was wrong on certain points and even had to rewrite a book which he had authored explaining the doctrine of the church. He was wrong on many points and the book was recalled and reissued with the corrections made. Because of that book the First Presidency then mandated that all books written by General Authorities purporting to teach the gospel be submitted first to the First Presidency for review before being published.

@@aspenenglish4976 gambling at cards or dice was forbidden however small fun wagers were not looked down on kinda like $1 office pools today. But definitely no cards!

Tbh… I think it’s probably folklore but it’s hilarious. And we gotta remember, the word of wisdom wasn’t a hard commandment at the time it was given, so especially someone at his age may have not been strict in it. Idk, it’s fun to think about

Latter-Day Saints have so very much in common with many in the protestant world, whether they appreciate it or not, but then they have so many other things in common with the the Catholic Church. Those who feel it necessary to attack others often attack the Catholic Church and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint using the same arguments.

Ive been to New Year's Mass at this Cathedral. It was a very novel experience (Im LDS), but allowed me some insight that I hadn't seen before.

I grew up Catholic and was baptized at age 8 along with my siblings. I have a deep love for the Catholic faith because it shaped who I am. I did convert to the LDS faith in my early 20s (over 20 years ago!) and moved to about 12 years ago Utah. There are many commonalities between the two faiths. One that I appreciate is the teaching of their gospel and doctrine, with out disparaging other faiths. Not to say members of either faith don’t say negative things about others, they do, but as a church it is not a practice I’ve witnessed during church services or classes, etc. I was extremely disappointed attending some Protestant churches who disparaged other Christian’s at the pulpit or during Sunday school instruction. We’re all God’s children and that alone binds us together. 😁

​@boba.6478 are arguments attacks? Arguments can be logically addressed. Attacks aren't logical, they're illogical and adversarial.

​@boba.6478 which same arguments are are used against both I you don't mind me asking?

Wow! As a Catholic I am so touched by that! God Bless them! Thank you for sharing that!

*Latter Day Saints 😉

In Jesus Christ name Amen!

Practicing Catholic here. I love the LDS neighbors I grew up with and have always had a soft spot for your church.

Appreciate it, glad you enjoy it.

Thanks for watching!

Believe I read a comment from an early video that said there's two churches. One is the "Mormon Church" that is a stereotype, and then the other is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From what I've encountered, everything that I've found with LDS is far from the painted stereotype. The number of messages from Latter-day Saints has also been overwhelmingly humbling, makes one want to learn more.

@@52churchesin52weeks Your channel is one of the few nonmember channels that I watch. The stereotypes about Latter-day Saints get tiresome quickly. I'm 5th generation. My first Latter-day Saint ancestors personally knew Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and I am a fan of history. Personally, I have had very positive interactions with Catholics, including on my mission in Mexico in late 1970s, including sharing herb tea with a Catholic priest.

Jackson Square area with the St. Louis Cathedral is beautiful (though lot of areas I didn't care for). I think so too, I was trying to dig into the church of the reverend mentioned. Sounds like that Protestant church started as anti-LDS - though I couldn't find if they had changed in the 1920's or not.

$1 million dollars!

$15M was donated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to restore all of the stained glass and add seismic protection. Basically, the price tag of a medium size temple.

The problem here is your premise. You are accusing Joseph of believing something Joseph never claimed to believe. You are projecting. In 1 Nephi there is extensive talk of two churches. It is a very poor and flat interpretation to believe that means The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints vs everything else (silly and childish). One is the Church of the Lamb, which is light, kindness, joy, goodness, humility; one is the church of the devil which is pride, control, manipulation, power, pleasure. Since Christ, there have always been humble, kind, loving, penitent followers of Christ - Church of the Lamb and there have always been beasts of the earth, often wearing frocks, ready to put them to death - church of the devil.

Latter-day Saints believe that most other faiths have part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, including non-Christian faiths. We also believe that we have the fulness of the Gospel. We believe that Joseph Smith was called of God "by the revelation of Jesus Christ." (Galatians 1:12) We don't preach against other faiths at Church (or elsewhere) because contention is not pleasing to Jesus Christ, and it's a waste of precious worship time. Misrepresenting our beliefs back to us doesn't convey any devotion to Jesus Christ on your part.

@@boba.6478 … well among many other objections, I believe that the Nicene Creed is the correct basis for Christians, as it is for the overwhelming near totality of the Lord’s Church and I cannot and do not believe that God - the Father - was once a man, like you and I and progressed to be the Heavenly Father, and that you and I are in a progression to be as completely as He is. He alone is the Lord. “As Man Now Is, God Once Was; As Now God Is, Man May Be” - President Lorenzo Snow. I would not worship a being that was once a man. cf. Colossians 1:16-20.

@@slikdudelb That's fine. I have no problem with that. It does not, however, address the fallacy in your original comment to which I was replying. I have no problem, at all, with your faith and your beliefs. They are yours, and that is important. I would only hope that you would not use the inaccurate phrase "sola scriptura" all the while deriving your theology from the creeds, philosophers (termed "church fathers"), reformists, or any other non scriptura source, like the "near totality" of Protestant Christians. I do encourage you in your faith in Christ, to read and study the Bible, and to try to best of your ability to follow Christ and emulate Him. I would only ask that if you need to the quote Latter-day Saint prophet that your quote be accurate. It is bad enough to attack people who are not against you, but don't make it up. Your first comment - made up. Your second comment - legitimate. Go forward in love and faith and do what Christ would do. Please don't do what the "near totality" of Christians did for fifteen hundred years - attack, torture, and burn people for having a different understanding of scriptura.

From a Catholic perspective, Protestants reject the essential elements of their faith. Does that mean the gates of hell prevailed against the Catholic Church? This is the point you are making about the LDS Church. We don’t reject the good. We don’t accept the Pope as our infallible leader, the way Catholics, though. If the Protestant view is to reject the Pope in favor of the priesthood of all believers, we don’t whole heartedly sustain that. What does this mean? Christ gave Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth, resulting in the unity of the faith. The Protestants could see the Catholic Church needed correction, but the Protestant result was some 46,000 un-unified churches. The world should see the faith as being unified, but they are not. If they were, the Pope, or some Protestant leader would be the key-holder, and could re-key all buildings in Christianity. That’s a physical representation of the spiritual divide. How should we view the scripture about the gates of hell? Gates do not attack anyone. The Apostles died. The gates of death prevailed over their bodies. In the absence of Apostles and prophets, the Catholics claimed all was handed over to the Bishops and the Popes. The Protestants claimed that all was handed over to the individual. Jesus descended in death, and threw open the gates of hell to those who had succumbed to the gates of death. The Apostles did not loose the authority given to them by Christ. They had the authority to seal on earth and seal in heaven, or to loose on earth and loose in heaven. Though they did die, the gates of hell did not prevail, but what about the living oracles on earth? Where were the Apostles and prophets? Martin Luther demands that there were 66 books of the Bible which was greater than prophets and Apostles. All you need is the Protestant Bible and you will have what Christ gave in the Apostles and Prophets, and unity and nirvana and St Francis and everything is everywhere present. Just don’t look at the man behind the curtain, because unity does not really present itself. Christianity brought a change to the world. We no longer crucify. People who are abused do have rights. The world has become Christianized even those who don’t believe, have Christian behavior. We have governments that use Christian ideas about discerning the truth. The accused is innocent until proven guilty, even if the judge is an Atheist. We don’t condemn others as believing in a different Christ. We accept your devotion. We pray for all men. We welcome their prayers for us. We believe we are all children of God. Not all Christians can say that. The New Testament shows how Paul’s followers had rejected the faith. Peter ran into the same problem. The New Testament Church had dozens of divisions. The Apostles first replenished the vacancy of Judas in the Apostleship. The Roman Church no longer had the very thing which Christ gave to keep the church unified on earth, Apostles and prophets, but the prophecies showed that all would be restored in the last days. That is what the Restoration is all about. Apostles and prophets have been given the keys of the kingdom from those who held them last. Peter James and John restored the Apostleship in modern times. The promises concerning Elijah have been restored. The unity of the faith has been one of many good fruits of the gospel. Of 17,000,000 members, when the senior Apostle, who holds the keys on the earth, to seal on earth or loose on earth and it would be sealed or loosed in heaven, there is unity. In a physical sense, that Apostle, the prophet and President of the Church can order the re-keying of every building, and it would be done, in a way that cannot be done in the mainstream churches. If the mainstream church is more unified than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then the opposite would be the case. Who is the key holder of the Baptist churches? The Presbyterians?, The Lutherans? The mainstream Christian Church? If you cannot be united in a physical sense, how can you expect to be united in a spiritual sense? What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Write it down. Then ask your neighbor. Ask a Lutheran. Ask a Catholic. Ask if the mainstream Christian church is unified about the Doctrine of Christ or the Gospel of Christ. Look at the Gospel of Christ in 2 Nephi Chapter 31. Look at the Gospel of Christ beginning in 3 Nephi Chapter 11. You will see the Gospel of Christ is plain and simple. It is found in my nearest LDS church congregation and it is the same in the nearest LDS church congregation where you live. I wish mainstream Christianity were unified. Maybe one day they will be. As for now, it looks like Apostles and prophets were what was needed instead of the Protestant 66 books of the Bible. Modern day revelation is important. If you gave your heart to your fiancé, and wrote it all down, and said no more to her, she would wonder why you don’t love her anymore. God loves us, and as ever he did. His prophets and Apostles wrote his words to them. God continues to speak to us as before, although that is heresy to the Sola-Scriptura crowd. The idea that sola-scriptura should be concocted without Apostles and Prophets ought to be a heresy. The idea that the Trinitarian Doctrine would be formulated in the third and fourth centuries without Apostles and prophets ought to be a heresy. The of idea baptizing babies ought to be a sign that something has gone terribly wrong. The idea that early Protestant leaders were as keen to martyr those who believed differently than they, as the Catholics have done over millennia, ought to be a sign that something isn’t quite right with the mainstream. The idea that this wonderful country of ours has subjected the American Indians to animal status ought to be a sign. The idea the blacks in America were not fully human in the constitution ought to be a problem. The idea that slavery was a long held right of the mainstream in the South ought to be a sign. The idea that the mother country of Protestantism and the Lutheran Church would attempt to wipe the Jewish peoples from the earth ought to be a sign. This was all given to Joseph Smith. The December 25th 1832 prophecy on war was as clear about the 1860’s American Civil War beginning with the rebellion in South Carolina is as clear as Jesus Christ’s prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem of AD 70. The treatment of the Jews came out in 1830 with the publication of the Book of Mormon about 100 years before the Holocaust. This is what God revealed when speaking of the Gentiles rejecting the Book of Mormon because the Gentiles would have the Bible. What thanks do the Gentiles give the Jews for their Bible? In other words, if the Bible was all and all of God’s words, how did it allow the Gentiles who hold to the Bible, to go so wrong as genocide against the Jews? Your basic premise, that the Christian Church stands because Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, doesn’t mean the mainstream Christian church wouldn’t fall from her noble birthright. The Roman Empire was part of the king’s dream interpreted by Daniel. The kingdoms of the giant statue with toes of iron and miry clay is like the splintered kingdoms of the mainstream churches. Napoleon put an end to the supposedly Holy Roman Empire. Not long thereafter, the stone cut out of the mountain without the hands of the mainstream church would begin to roll forth. It was only six members in April of 1830. It is rolling forth in every nation, kindred and people. It is no longer of one nation and race of people. The main thing to notice, is it is united. Just as Christ said, when he gave Apostles, Prophets, Pastors teachers, and evangelists. This is not the miracle of 66 books of the Bible. It is the miracle of a marvelous work and a wonder, of prophecy and revelation, and the priesthood power of God to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, to the gathering of Israel, and of bringing protection and peace of Christ to the world which desperately needs it.