Black Sabbath Engineer Shows How To Record Great Sounding Guitars With Two Microphones

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Production Expert

5 жыл бұрын

In this video for Production Expert Tutorial from Woodworm Studio in Oxfordshire England, Production Expert Technical Editor James Ivey talks to Producer and Recording Engineer Mike Exeter about his approach to recording heavy rock and metal guitar parts using two microphones.
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@TheChadPad
@TheChadPad 5 жыл бұрын
His name is Mike....and he's a studio engineer.....that's awesome
@aileaiho768
@aileaiho768 3 жыл бұрын
He should use Rophone for his last name.
@mikesanchez7386
@mikesanchez7386 3 жыл бұрын
My name is Mike and I'm a studio engineer watching a studio engineer named Mike engineer in a studio
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 2 жыл бұрын
He should work with a piano player named Keys.
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 5 ай бұрын
And DOES he ride a bike?
@cometodolly
@cometodolly 5 жыл бұрын
Wow didn't expect them to sound SO different! Good to know
@modernmusicstudio303
@modernmusicstudio303 2 жыл бұрын
So awesome to see and audio engineer that has works with such a legendary band give tips and tricks on recording guitars! Thank you for the opportunity to learn from Mike Exeter!
@interstellaraxeman4468
@interstellaraxeman4468 5 жыл бұрын
That was amazing. Mr. Exeter explained that in a swift, concise, and comprehensible way.... Having been told many times that any given unit sounds different,...actually hearing it with a demonstrated explanation was very helpful. Thank You James and Mike,....
@notthatguy2753
@notthatguy2753 5 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked how different the same drivers on the same amp can sound
@JoseyStranded
@JoseyStranded 5 жыл бұрын
Me too. Shocked.
@JoseyStranded
@JoseyStranded 5 жыл бұрын
Plus, I thought I had somewhat professional approach to recording guitar. It's also nice to hear a guy like him to speak out my thoughts of microphones. You sure don't need a 10K vintage mic to record a great guitar sound.
@LittleZdy
@LittleZdy 5 жыл бұрын
Night and day
@notthatguy2753
@notthatguy2753 5 жыл бұрын
And people call me crazy for saying mid priced xlr cables sound better than cheapo ones. Here's proof that audio is fucked
@Sool101
@Sool101 5 жыл бұрын
@@notthatguy2753 speaking of which, price. I found cables, from the same factory, same color, same everything except the name, in a cheap store and was a bit shocked. The branded cables cost three times more.
@cowbellsuperstar1948
@cowbellsuperstar1948 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that video....... I love the idea of committing two sounds on to one track. It's nice because you don't have to think about it later. I try to today got a great sound. Thank you for the video!
@thef8ofman984
@thef8ofman984 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great music Mike!!
@thedakotahurley
@thedakotahurley 10 ай бұрын
That's incredible how much different each of the speakers sounded!
@extremelynormalperson
@extremelynormalperson Жыл бұрын
This was EXTREMELY HELPFUL thank you!!
@michaelyolch79
@michaelyolch79 6 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC! I found this video just in the nick of time! Very helpful! :)
@johannjohann6523
@johannjohann6523 9 ай бұрын
I like his method. it actually makes sense. cool video. Thanks for making it.
@reamasaurusrex7236
@reamasaurusrex7236 5 жыл бұрын
I was surprised how hard it was to hear the guys talking to each other - probably 'cause I'm old and deaf. Good stuff, thanks for sharing!
@thanksmomstudio
@thanksmomstudio 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Great info here. If you’re looking to add anything to guitar videos I’d say get a straight on view of the mics on the speakers after they are all set. Behind and above would be helpful
@jumpingman8160
@jumpingman8160 5 жыл бұрын
That's how I like my porn
@sevynn3970
@sevynn3970 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video!
@SuperJiggawhat
@SuperJiggawhat 5 жыл бұрын
amazing stuff, thank you.
@denisblack9897
@denisblack9897 5 жыл бұрын
this video made me finally buy a recording mic
@Banksyyt
@Banksyyt 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Would have been nice to hear the WA14 in solo as well as mixed with 57. Cheers
@neoaureus
@neoaureus 2 жыл бұрын
Best video on micing a guitar amp ever !
@brycedadevil2146
@brycedadevil2146 3 жыл бұрын
Guys guys buy you a Fredman SM57 Clip from Wilkinson Audio, $20 holds 2 Sm57’s... one ON axis one OFF axis @ a 45 degree, and you could record 2 separate mono’s and blend the 2 together, and they then act as a natural EQ, I love it, and use a C214 for the Room capture, blended under the SM57’s it is Gnarly🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼‼️
@brettboden3571
@brettboden3571 4 ай бұрын
It's actually a 55° angle
@rickblackers88
@rickblackers88 5 жыл бұрын
Great!!!I love it!!
@5amJones
@5amJones 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks!
@44numskull
@44numskull 5 жыл бұрын
This is great!!
@justinbouchard
@justinbouchard 5 жыл бұрын
This was great.
@jamesnortonofficial1566
@jamesnortonofficial1566 9 ай бұрын
Cool tips 👏👏👏👍🤘
@bassstellar
@bassstellar 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Needed to be twice as long though -- to cover the adjustment, placement, and phase/buss of the two mics/signals.
@jjrusy7438
@jjrusy7438 5 жыл бұрын
wow, the 4 speaker compare was an eye opener. 1st speaker was strong and open, 2nd sounded like it had melted coils or something and the 3rd was also dead sounding. 4th was kind of OK and I would guess it was 2nd choice.
@quintas66
@quintas66 5 жыл бұрын
Yup, this is my list as well.
@shamicentertainment1262
@shamicentertainment1262 5 жыл бұрын
It's probably to add more depth to the sound. By themselves they aren't good, but with all 4 they sound better. Idk just my guess
@johnathanvane
@johnathanvane 5 жыл бұрын
perhaps I missed it, but I'm curious how those four speakers are wired in that cabinet. parallel? in series?
@hethaerto1
@hethaerto1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent demo. Myself, I prefer to remove the capsule cover from my 57 and place it as close as possible to the cone material (not the dust cover), but not so close that the cone will vibrate against the exposed diaphragm. Less than 1/16 of an inch. One mic thus no phase issues. I use tight-fitting Sennheiser headphones to monitor the sound while the guitarist plays and adjust the 57 for the most brutal tone I can get and then record. I love the sounds I get with my technique.
@lordgraga
@lordgraga 7 ай бұрын
Do you have samples?
@jesse_cole
@jesse_cole 5 жыл бұрын
Wish we could have gotten to hear the WA-14 in solo as well.
@TheConvectuoso
@TheConvectuoso 5 жыл бұрын
Jesse Cole yeah an a b between the 57 and the wa14 was what I was expecting
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 6 ай бұрын
It probably sounds like an SM57 but with less high end and a little more bass
@michaelyolch79
@michaelyolch79 6 ай бұрын
​@@ramencurry6672 True...but it would have been great to hear the spread it was capturing from the edge of the cone on out.
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 6 ай бұрын
@@michaelyolch79 You’re right
@vextract4662
@vextract4662 5 жыл бұрын
Guitar recording micing techniques at Woodworm=instant like!
@GRequinBlanc
@GRequinBlanc 4 жыл бұрын
I like my 57 with a Ribbon mic (Royer)
@FVDaudio
@FVDaudio 5 жыл бұрын
Excelente.
@CraigFlowersMusic
@CraigFlowersMusic Жыл бұрын
Whoa! James! What the heck! I see you with Paul ALL the time, and never once have I heard a peep about another channel. You may think it makes you look silly or something to promote your other channel on his, but from my perspective I feel a bit left in the dark. Anyway now that I've paused it at the 8-second mark and said that, I can start the video!
@EvanJr
@EvanJr 7 ай бұрын
Great!
@2500BC
@2500BC 3 ай бұрын
Could some of the sound difference be frequencies in cabinet? Sounds to me that if 2 sides of the cab’s ring were treated, what i think i hear as internal frequency activity going on would be reduced.
@jorge1988
@jorge1988 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the bottom right sound
@martywhite1084
@martywhite1084 5 жыл бұрын
Do you use amp sims typically?
@kosycat1
@kosycat1 5 жыл бұрын
I got e906 and fathead 2 on each of my cabs atm. i have and extra 421 i might mess with on there
@benasaro1043
@benasaro1043 5 жыл бұрын
I use that same combo. Love the Fathead II!
@padraig88
@padraig88 Ай бұрын
e906 and 57 combo!
@BurnAre
@BurnAre 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. How do you «pop The mic out of phase»?
@bassstellar
@bassstellar 2 жыл бұрын
Either the mixing console/desk or your DAW will have a phase button. Search "mixing console phase" and it'll all come up 👍
@bjrnarestamnes6279
@bjrnarestamnes6279 2 жыл бұрын
@@bassstellar Thanks. Im using Logic
@endoffate5475
@endoffate5475 5 жыл бұрын
2 sm57 works great too.
@hansgrueber8169
@hansgrueber8169 5 жыл бұрын
also an e609/ sm57 combo works well.
@gitarman666
@gitarman666 6 ай бұрын
Into which pre? What did sabbath use?
@tasteapiana
@tasteapiana 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Eric Idle did these kinds of interviews.
@gastonjabaly
@gastonjabaly Жыл бұрын
I wonder what speaker is that
@boxculture
@boxculture Жыл бұрын
7:43 ooooooh gold
@jarcidiacono1
@jarcidiacono1 3 жыл бұрын
@productionexpert could someone explain what exactly he’s talking about @ 7:45? It’s hard to understand with the British accent. He pops one of the mics out of phase, I got that, but then he tweaks the faders to do what? “Get the spikiest sounding out of phase tone possible” - could you just explain that? doesn’t sound like he tweaks the EQ at all before flipping phase back?
@CandorBand
@CandorBand 3 жыл бұрын
Essentially he is checking for out of phase issues by listening not to the in phase signal, but rather to the out of phase signal. He plays with the faders until the sound is most out of phase. Then he pops the mics back into phase. Then he is certain he minimized cancellation issues. Does that make sense?
@jarcidiacono1
@jarcidiacono1 3 жыл бұрын
@@CandorBand ya! Thank you
@geoffreycheuvart9228
@geoffreycheuvart9228 2 жыл бұрын
@@CandorBand Hi Jason, thanks for the precision. I still have a question, maybe you could help as well :-) : does he put one mic signal to the left and the other the the right (on his daw) when he is checking the phase of each signal ? and then, once done, does he assemble the 2 tracks into one after popping back the 2 signals into phase ? well, I don't understand the process for " checking the faders and the phases of the 2 mic signals" ^^
@CandorBand
@CandorBand 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoffrey, no. The way I understand it is the signals are mono. If you pan either, then you will not hear the phase issues as much. Essentially, tinker with the faders and phase switch until it sounds as thin and hollow as possible. Then just flip the phase of one signal and it should be in phase.
@geoffreycheuvart9228
@geoffreycheuvart9228 2 жыл бұрын
@@CandorBand thanks for your feedback, much appreciated ! I will do a test in my studio 🙂
@louski331
@louski331 2 жыл бұрын
How did Tony iommi record the double track effect
@jonniefast
@jonniefast Жыл бұрын
by playing two takes
@notfbi673
@notfbi673 5 жыл бұрын
What’s the name of the song he plays at the end? It’s a cool riff
@thef8ofman984
@thef8ofman984 5 жыл бұрын
Into the Void
@PickledDill907
@PickledDill907 5 жыл бұрын
It's an original piece we wrote for these videos. (I'm the guitarist in this video btw)
@PickledDill907
@PickledDill907 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. It's actually an original piece we wrote for these videos. (I'm the guitarist in this video btw)
@notfbi673
@notfbi673 5 жыл бұрын
Jacobs Realm awesome man I really like it!!! Great riff I’d love to hear more
@Phillysawdust
@Phillysawdust 5 жыл бұрын
What a pity we didn't get to hear the LDC on its own - missed opportunity there??!!
@jesse_cole
@jesse_cole 5 жыл бұрын
Agree. I've been curious about the WA-14 for a little while and wondered how it would sound in this application.
@TheDustmeister88
@TheDustmeister88 5 жыл бұрын
Why did I like the bottom right the most?
@RanDieBam
@RanDieBam 5 жыл бұрын
Because of personal taste
@bookymydoor
@bookymydoor 5 жыл бұрын
You must be Swedish.
@jeanlejeune2288
@jeanlejeune2288 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I heard that one and immediately thought thats it! When they both liked the 1st one I thought, Okay well damn:)
@StandbyCymbalist
@StandbyCymbalist 3 жыл бұрын
Legit
@TIGERGUTS
@TIGERGUTS 5 жыл бұрын
Top of the forehead frequency! SO random but i know it exactly! hahaha ! WOW!
@noodletribunal9793
@noodletribunal9793 Жыл бұрын
what did he mean by "spikiest" sound when out of phase?
@trevorjalla
@trevorjalla Жыл бұрын
thinnest, most bass/mid cancelled
@noodletribunal9793
@noodletribunal9793 Жыл бұрын
@@trevorjalla thank you!
@steenbreker60
@steenbreker60 5 жыл бұрын
Strange. Someone bought this cabinet on the base of the four speakers sounding together. Three of the four speakers are missing top end. The result now is the chosen speaker to record is the one that sounds most different than the entire cabinet. Someone bought the wrong cab or....
@vvessel_
@vvessel_ 5 жыл бұрын
Well, strange if you buy the cabinet strictly for recording! I, and probably most musicians, buy a cabinet because it simply sounds good. When you buy a cabinet you listen to the 4 speakers combined. Some audio-engineers might record the four speakers but that will maybe make the sound less direct. Also, when I record a cabinet I want the speaker with the most high end because that will give me the option to make it poke through the mix a bit more. At least that's how I look at it! xx
@theAxehound
@theAxehound Жыл бұрын
I shouldn't say this, but f it here goes, someone should put a laser pointer on their mic!! So you can see exactly where its pointed (for consistency). Because as much as those speakers sounded differently, most of that was mic placement as millimeters make a miles of difference.
@tomnaumann2104
@tomnaumann2104 Жыл бұрын
The Aston Starlight mic has a laser on it. I haven’t used one but it’s a great idea if you ask me.
@theAxehound
@theAxehound Жыл бұрын
@@tomnaumann2104, that looks really cool. I'm going to watch some videos on it! Thanks I have a 4/12 cab with different speakers in the studio and I mark on the cloth with a white crayon.
@pedrohenriquedossantos6470
@pedrohenriquedossantos6470 5 жыл бұрын
What stomp box is that?
@johnrobinson6945
@johnrobinson6945 5 жыл бұрын
The yellow one is a Radial SGI studio interface.
@Rocknroller795
@Rocknroller795 5 жыл бұрын
If you're referring to the one on top of the amp, that is the Laney TI Boost.
@The_Absurdistt
@The_Absurdistt 3 жыл бұрын
How the pros do it....
@andymarsal
@andymarsal Жыл бұрын
the tech is so likeable...also reminds me Ricky Gervais
@graysonhoward1562
@graysonhoward1562 2 жыл бұрын
So is he recording the two microphones in stereo?
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway Жыл бұрын
No.. he said he sums them both to one track / mono
@glennnmurphy
@glennnmurphy 4 жыл бұрын
Now I’m kicking myself that I sold all my 4 x 12 cabs
@luisangelEXALTA
@luisangelEXALTA 3 жыл бұрын
i went opposite. just purchased a 4×12 Laney cab. sounds amazing. its a buyers market with all the combo amp and amp-less trends.
@jeremybradley559
@jeremybradley559 5 жыл бұрын
I’m joined by the one and only Bill Oddie.
@mikeexeter
@mikeexeter 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahah. Sadly you’re bot the first to say that
@ImYourOverlord
@ImYourOverlord Жыл бұрын
Well, shoot! This didn't give me anything I didn't already have in my toolbox. Good presentation, anyway 🙂
@bobyk87
@bobyk87 8 ай бұрын
nice toys guys
@neoaureus
@neoaureus 2 жыл бұрын
“They are ageing …”. Hahah. ….Recording engineers health concerns…on the Mic.
@kevinmundarain7572
@kevinmundarain7572 Жыл бұрын
He really know how to "Mike" an amp lol
@cardiffsound
@cardiffsound 5 жыл бұрын
"We have decided by a process of discrimination"?! 3:34
@in.der.welt.sein.
@in.der.welt.sein. 5 жыл бұрын
He just means making distinctions or differentiating between things.
@cardiffsound
@cardiffsound 5 жыл бұрын
@@in.der.welt.sein. I think the term he's looking for is 'process of elimination' - a 'process of discrimination' would be where he's already decided which speaker cones he dislikes before he's even heard them.
@mhgbu
@mhgbu 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he knew what he was saying. Just a play on words.
@yallevereatenbeans2723
@yallevereatenbeans2723 5 жыл бұрын
@Marko Fahrenheit you really had to bring politics into it didn't you?
@cardiffsound
@cardiffsound 5 жыл бұрын
@Marko Fahrenheit Prejudice and discrimination are synonyms, 2 words that mean the same thing. Like fool and idiot.
@GrantCometa
@GrantCometa 4 жыл бұрын
Engineer: We stick a big piece of tape around [the mic stands] and won’t let anyone past it. Also Engineer: **leaves wheels on cab**
@jonniefast
@jonniefast Жыл бұрын
those are tonewheels 😈
@mikewest712
@mikewest712 5 жыл бұрын
I have been in 3 car crashes while listening to Sabbath. Coincidence? I think not
@manfrombritain6816
@manfrombritain6816 Жыл бұрын
i feel better about my guitar playing now
@chrischoir3594
@chrischoir3594 5 жыл бұрын
not bad - not great
@christopherdunn317
@christopherdunn317 5 ай бұрын
It was pretty obvious ! that the first left speaker sounded the best LOL the rest sound broken ! What if the left one sounded just the same ? can't use shit !
@Melvin7727
@Melvin7727 4 жыл бұрын
3 minutes describing how they're going to A/B each speaker
@juap
@juap 3 жыл бұрын
They are just having fun, we too... maybe this is not for you
@mattwilson2249
@mattwilson2249 3 жыл бұрын
Process of discrimination lol
@AcydDrop
@AcydDrop 5 жыл бұрын
What exactly would anyone that engineered a Sabbath album know about good sound?
@SocialGore
@SocialGore 5 жыл бұрын
Apparently not much. I would never use the guitar sound that they ended up with. No amount of EQ could shape that into a usable tone.
@Les537
@Les537 5 жыл бұрын
@@SocialGore Are you for real? The sound of the first 2 sabbath albums inspired a million clone bands. Listen to paranoid or war pigs and try to convince anyone that it's not the most epic sounding guitar in the last 50 years.
@SocialGore
@SocialGore 5 жыл бұрын
@@Les537They are great albums, but recording quality has improved over the years. There is a reason that very few sabbath inspired bands are going for the EXACT same guitar tone.
@beerman7079
@beerman7079 5 жыл бұрын
😜😍
@oneandonlyescaton9927
@oneandonlyescaton9927 4 жыл бұрын
@@Les537 black sabbath and paranoid have guitar tones that stand up to modern recordings.
@justincalhoun7438
@justincalhoun7438 Жыл бұрын
Elimination*… he meant process of elimination
@honestnewsnet
@honestnewsnet 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like noise.
@Taylor___
@Taylor___ 11 ай бұрын
A lost art, nowadays, just plug in the fractal
@qmaldonado8171
@qmaldonado8171 7 ай бұрын
this is not gigging material like Bobbi
@brianjauch9958
@brianjauch9958 5 жыл бұрын
Buy that man a vintage Gibson, ditch the Epi.
@saheltaja
@saheltaja 5 жыл бұрын
It's a Tony Iommi signature, like the amp. Methinks there's a choice involved in there, somewhere...
@PickledDill907
@PickledDill907 5 жыл бұрын
You can buy me a vintage Gibson if you want! The guitar is one of the Tony Signatures which has proper custom Gibson pickups in it. The amp we actually borrowed from Tony Iommis amp stock. They used that amp in the studio and on a few of the latest tours!
@brianjauch9958
@brianjauch9958 5 жыл бұрын
@@PickledDill907 Oh, I will now shut up. You rock.
@PickledDill907
@PickledDill907 5 жыл бұрын
@@brianjauch9958 honestly not usually a fan of Epis, I've owned a few and they've always been quite average. This model on the other hand is just fantastic once I set it up. Sounds great, play exceedingly well, built properly. Just wish it was mine!
@johnnypunx8682
@johnnypunx8682 4 жыл бұрын
They all sound awful
@trentkraemer7109
@trentkraemer7109 3 жыл бұрын
Haha I think it’s too much gain
@TheseEndlessNights
@TheseEndlessNights 10 ай бұрын
Why would anyone ever want their recordings to sound like Black Sabbath?
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