Prusa's Mk4 Is Finally Here - Is it a game changer, or too little too late?

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Prusa announced the Prusa Mendel Iteration 3 version 4 AKA the Mk4 today. Let's analyze the release video and see if there is anything worth getting excited about.
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@carbonvlogs
@carbonvlogs Жыл бұрын
First of all, I'm Czech, and as you Americans say, "born and raised in Prague". We really hate Russia and shitty China, so don't even try this argument, like it's something similar. Learn something about history and you'll understand that we are much, much closer to Germany than Russia... Slovaks might be more to the east, but we are not... Fun fact, when Hitler started World War II, he first claimed (with the support of the allies) the Czech border areas, which were mostly inhabited by Germans. I know that you Americans don't know much about other countries, but you at least knew more than 90% of Americans, but you still have distorted ideas, and this offends me as a Czech person. We are much more of a Western country than you say... Now that we have this point settled, okay, regarding 3D printers, you definitely have a point and know a lot, but as I listen to you, it seems like a similar debate to Apple vs Android. Prusa is certainly not flawless, and I myself had my first printer, Ender 3 Pro, and now I bought a Prusa Mini. Yes, when you play with an Ender for two weeks, it prints similarly well, but that's the point - you pay more and don't have to deal with the usual issues, you don't have to dig into it, so to speak... Just like with Apple, when I take it in this analogy, you seem like a die-hard Android user who will just criticize Apple because it's expensive and, like Apple, didn't actually come first with anything, but brought it to the market in such a state that it really started to be used and worked without unnecessary tweaking... Then I find it quite funny that you first say how you're annoyed that Bambu Lab forces you to print through the cloud, that China gains information about you, but in a moment you say it's actually the same whether it's Europe or China... A bit of an oxymoron, don't you think? So you'd rather buy a printer for half (sometimes more) the price from a communist country that suppresses human rights and collects your personal information, instead of supporting maybe the only company that is not from China and is doing well in this industry? And by the way, the USA and the Czech Republic have very good relations, the American Colt is owned by the Czech arms factory, etc. Please try to think a little bit about whether you're just biased and angry at one company because I don't think that printer deserves such hate, especially when you haven't even tested it... :)
@dusancutino8206
@dusancutino8206 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment... you wrote exactly what I was thinking
@eXe09
@eXe09 Жыл бұрын
He is just a clown, he hates Prusa and everything Czech just because Prusa refused to give him a free printer 7 years ago, he was a fan-boy (the same one which he hates now) till then, check the early videos :D But most importantly, he is delusional, claiming Prusa stole his ideas (even though Prusa has implemented them months earlier), and he was also threatening Prusa. He is just a sick old dude
@tomaskus2307
@tomaskus2307 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to sign this, I couldn't have said it better!
@Waffles1313
@Waffles1313 Жыл бұрын
Please don't lump this moron in with all Americans, I'm American and this guy feels like a caricature to me too.
@ArthurvanH0udt
@ArthurvanH0udt Жыл бұрын
Hear Hear - I wrote it above -the Czech's are much more EU than most people think. IMHO one main reason for differnce is that Czech is NOT Orthodox Christian making it MUCH further away from Russia than apparantly US people understand.
@Dave-ow7gy
@Dave-ow7gy Жыл бұрын
I believe when Prusa puts out a product its right. I have MK3S running nearly 24 x 7 until maintenance. They are consistent and well documented. The modifications like bear frames did not really improve the Prusa. I did get an Ender 3 Pro for my Dad and I had to modify it very much to do what the Prusa did. Guess what - I did not complain about it and hate on any manufacturer. Sure printers advance. However, how many models does Creality have - many - I love Creality but the name of the game is to sell printers. Most companies started their lines by copying features from Prusa and only recently started releasing printers with the features already applied. I.e., they living off the coat-tails of Prusa. Using Pinda probes was a large leap when Prusa appeared and for that matter the BL touch was a great leap for others to add to their systems. My point is - I like your channel, but you hate on Prusa so much its tedious so I have started watching less. You are at your best when your giving information - not putting down a specific line. I also have a Bambu Labs P1P and I like it. Its not perfect and I am not sure if it will make into my production line. It is however a great prototype. Finally, I am very glad to see the MK4 or in my case MK3.9 update. I do not mind printed parts and you should not either - it is common in the industry. Most people actually believe it printed parts for printers for many brands is revolutionary. Well, I hope you leave behind the issues with a line of printer and get back to what you were best at - I learned a lot back when..
@dangerous8333
@dangerous8333 Жыл бұрын
I barely had to do anything to my Ender's. I also run them 24/7. 100% disagree with your subjective opinion.
@assumptionsoup
@assumptionsoup Жыл бұрын
I have to agree. I clicked on this video having enjoyed his first few, but this is just vitriolic. I don't think it represents a balanced view in any way. I had to stop half way. It's like he's so angry that they didn't do this sooner, it makes any effort to modernize the mk3 invalid. I'm all for valid criticism against prusa. They're not some savior. They don't make perfect machines. My mmu2 is a huge piece of crap and I think the reliability of the mk3 was overblown -- mine went into thermal runaway. And every now and then it likes to ram the nozzle into the build plate. These printers have serious issues. But not everything prusa makes is terrible. I'm curious to see how their claims of the load cell pan out. I'm curious if the 0.9 degree motors improve anything as I'm doubtful. And I'm happy to see that they're bringing the mk3s in line with the xl in terms of technology. And they even made an upgrade path (not that it seems worth it given the price) but I'll still commend prusa for staying true to their ethos.
@Tottorul
@Tottorul Жыл бұрын
@@dangerous8333 its not a subjective opinion that enders is a product lottery. some units work and some dont. statistics is clear on this. iv had both, ender was nothing but endless thinkering, prusa was nothing but endless printing. im not gonna promote that type of quality control where some get good units and some dont purely based on production chance (some units having parts that fit better together)
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@@Tottorul i think it comes down to that ppl are usless and can't do a simple printer setup... so they pay prusa to so it for them. I wish they'd just pay me to set their enders to print as good and reliable as prusa's and i could get rich for 20 mins of work..... oh wait... they do !
@Tottorul
@Tottorul Жыл бұрын
@@Defyant123 iv tinkered with an ender v2 for weeks. never properly worked. never wasting my time again. i could have afforded two mk3s if i worked the same amount i have to spend on trying to make it work. got a prusa mini, only maintenance issues, never worried to use it because it just works. you could buy enders and refurbish them to resell them
@MikiCab1
@MikiCab1 Жыл бұрын
Could only get 10:31 into your rant before my head exploded. Couple of observations and I will leave it at that on why Prusa is ahead of the curve and not behind the curve. The reason Prusa sells printers with 3D printed parts and not injection molded is the following. Prusa runs the worlds biggest print farm which serves 2 fold. 1: It tests their printers millions of hours, 2: and this this the big one. Prusa wants to sell prints farms, consumables to the print farms and service contracts. Selling print farms to manufactures is way more profitable than selling 1 printer to 1 customer. I worked for a medical device company and we were using 3d printed parts in our instruments. The cost for 1 injection molded part can be $10,000 or more. Prusa selling 3D printers with printed parts is a demonstration of their concept of how to run a print farm. Bonus fact: The other reason they print their parts instead of injection molding is they can change the design instantly with minimal cost. Extra bonus fact: You don't have to over engineer a part and make it with metal when a 3d printed plastic part will do. I proved this at my worked when I designed and printed 2 calibration tools that we were paying to have machined out of aluminum. Their cost was $300+ my cost was $0.10. and it worked better and I could make 100 per day vs waiting several months from the vendor.
@NewShockerGuy
@NewShockerGuy Жыл бұрын
Agree with you... this dude just bitches about everything. Makes me wonder why he doesn't start his OWN company and make a printer that is superior... Videos like this are so annoying because it turns into a bitch fest. I'm all for competition. I enjoy my mk3s. It's my first printer and for what it does, I enjoy it. I built it from the kit and everything has been great!
@brodymiller9299
@brodymiller9299 Жыл бұрын
I'm fine with prusa charging more for a highly reliable printer, because while someone might not be making money from it, they may just be using the printer to support another hobby, and want 3d printing as a tool rather than a hobby in and of itself. It's the same thing to me as other tools, it's fine to buy good tools for a hobby, because it can make someone happy.
@madisonrh7567
@madisonrh7567 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I’ve used cheap Chinese printers, Enders, clones. I live my prusa because it just works. It doesn’t require me to mess with it, baby it, learn it’s intricacies. It just prints and works. When I have 3 hours of free time a week I’ll happily pay 3x the money for 10x less headache
@ntrancedffs
@ntrancedffs Жыл бұрын
Agree with a lot of your points, but E3D are making the new nozzle system (albeit it isn't the Revo) but they still have a relationship.
@b3owu1f
@b3owu1f Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if this may be the case.. e.g. partner with Evo to make it.. so they still win.. but different from Evo nozzle directly. I hope this is true.
@jonathonroyce9495
@jonathonroyce9495 Жыл бұрын
Yah I was wondering why he said that, completely false information.
@Moody1351
@Moody1351 Жыл бұрын
Are you drunk? Where does the teaser state that it's printed in a 0.6 nozzle? Standard for the MK4 (as stated on the page) is a 0.4 nozzle. toxic dude
@Sunny01331
@Sunny01331 Жыл бұрын
This is a bit hard to watch. I hope someday the 3D printing comminity could come together a bit more instead of coming off as insulting the very same group that we all belong to. I agree that brand loyalty can be very toxic. I also believe that the way in which you explain that this printer is only for Prusa owners, that your video is only for anti-Prusa users. I just wish we could come together in a way that is less emotionally driven critisizm toward each other in the same community. This video just doesn't help your cause and your drive against these particular companies; the emotion just seems to further devide everyone. I suppose that is just the way it goes these days. Emotion is important, don't get me wrong. I just wish it wasn't driving this whole video. I acctually want to hear the points your bringing across in this same form just with less emotion. This comment is not meant to hurt you either, I just feel like it could provide some insight and good things to think about.
@paulsonntag4076
@paulsonntag4076 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@Maverick7r
@Maverick7r Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more with everything you said. 🤘🤘
@oclaser
@oclaser Жыл бұрын
Well, I modified my MK3S and they had no problem. despite my modification they have been gaving me a great support. When I was new to 3D printer world, I had support guy spending over 3 hours to tune up my machine to perfection. I am sure you have your reasons. However there are some values that might not be visiable, but to some it is worth it. Just like why some people pay high money for Cisco switches vs inexpensive one so they will not suffer when it comes to support. I am not bias toward any brand what so ever and I do like BL X1 Carbon, but i think it is very new and they have to work out some issues, noise being an important one.
@axell964
@axell964 Жыл бұрын
If you had even the slightest idea of Europe or eastern Europes culture or history, you would not make such insulting and stupid comments about the czechs. They neither did love their russian overlords during the time they were occupied by the soviet union, nor do they have any kind of love for the russians these days. I would say its typical US ignorance and hybris, but I know enough americans to know that there are enough people who actually are educated about the rest of the world. I do not own an Prusa, I do own a Bambu, but I have no idea where all your hate for Prusa comes from. They build very reliable products, and I personally value my time more then a few extra hundred bucks if the product just works. Your analysis about the V-groove ist just missing the most important part. Its not even close as accurate as what Prusa is using, and I would even prefer linear rails instead of what Prusa uses. We will see soon if the MK4 is good or not, but claiming it is not in some angry ranting video while you did not even have seen it yet is just entirely stupid. Open source has nothing to do with money. It just means that it is not locked down, is not protected by patents. There are many open source companies who make money, and there is nothing wrong with that. Voron also has companies who make money out of the Voron.
@Txgsync
@Txgsync Жыл бұрын
Love your content! But gotta disagree with part of this anti-Prusa rant: "You don't need a printer that's super-reliable"? Hard disagree. My Anycubic Vyper's thermistor died, filament runout sensor died, hotend leaked, strain gauge failed, Y-axis motor died, firmware corrupted itself, cooling fans died, and then finally the power supply died. And it took out the mainboard with it when it did, so now I'd need both a PSU and another mainboard to revive it. It sits in pieces on the healing bench right now. My Ender 3 Pro required a second Z-axis motor (sag), silicone springs, new throat tube, new PTFE tubing, replacement for the nightmare bed, direct drive kit, BLTouch, and new mainboard because my family could not sleep with it printing because it was so noisy. I've spent over a thousand dollars on two printers to get one reliable, quiet ("ish", noisy fans), slow printer. I'm not particularly price-sensitive. I work long and hard at my day job. Thus I am very sensitive about where I spend my time. And I am tired of spending my weekends fixing printers instead of designing and printing my ideas. A thousand bucks -- or more! -- on a fast, quiet, reliable printer is worth it. Edit: So I bought a Prusa i3 MK3S+ kit literally just one month before the MK4 came out. $799 well spent: I spend my hobby time designing and printing instead of fixing! No plans to upgrade to MK4. Edit2: At 33:36, you missed the menu item on the lower right for the MK3S/+ to MK4 conversion kit.
@McBearyOne
@McBearyOne Жыл бұрын
Same here. I’m done fiddling around and upgrading my printers to work better than just out of the Box. My brother bought an MK3s, had no clue and printed out of the box in a good quality.
@chironexfleckeri964
@chironexfleckeri964 Жыл бұрын
If your MK3 was ordered and paid within the 30 days before this announcement, you will receive a voucher that compensates you for the price difference between MK3S+ now and then (e.g., if you have an order in USD, you will get a 150 USD voucher per kit and a 200 USD voucher per assembled printer, and so on…). You will get these vouchers via e-mail by the end of this week.
@markgb
@markgb Жыл бұрын
I have never watched you before (you might want to re-do this video with less bile) I have limited brand loyalty (I do have 2 Prusa in my family) I am looking to get a decent MMU and probably will venture outside of the Prusa brand for this, but good grief this felt like it was a break-up video where your girlfriend left and you just shredded her for her new boyfriend/lifestyle/hair-do.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
"I have no brand loyalty" Proceeds to talk about all the products he has bought and will buy from that brand without mentioning any other brands. Seriously, you guys are just effing with me these days aren't you? Becoming caricatures of yourselves.
@tomijorg
@tomijorg Ай бұрын
​@@DesignPrototypeTest ffs, he Said IN HE^S FAMILY!. He did not say the printers is he^s, Did he?? My 7 year older kid is more mature then this 😂
@MisterkeTube
@MisterkeTube Жыл бұрын
Klipper has print area bed leveling for ages (well, at least a year)! You just have the slicer pass the print-area and the start macro adjust the bed probing accordingly.
@TheOfficialDarkICE
@TheOfficialDarkICE Жыл бұрын
don't expect him to be fair. He never will personal issues with prusa and even with other products a lack of research.
@alextoader2880
@alextoader2880 Жыл бұрын
My 2 cents - I would not use a Chinese printer when I can buy a similar product made in Europe. (hell no!) - I would not use a product that you know - they are looking into your data - when you have an alternative. (wtf?) - I would pay extra to buy a well-tested product with support and warranty - because I don't have the time to fiddle with annoying things - I like the orange they use - I don't mind they are not over innovative but they gather all the good ideas. Your video was informative because it explained why Prusa is exactly what I wanted. About the hate part you display.. internet is full of such ppl, it is what it is.
@maokee
@maokee Жыл бұрын
Haters gonna hate no matter what. And get views If they hate first in a badly produced video. What a shame.
@ElixirCNC
@ElixirCNC Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos!
@rrittenhouse
@rrittenhouse Жыл бұрын
Barnacules has never had a freaking Prusa printer LOL. You've lost it.
@kim__jong__un
@kim__jong__un Жыл бұрын
Barnacles uses Ultimaker and hasn't done a 3d printing video in years...
@HaloMachine
@HaloMachine Жыл бұрын
350k MK3's sold with less than 1% warranty claim rate, this is why I buy prusa's. My printers aren't toys, they're tools. I don't care to tinker or constantly repair on my printers like people do with their creality's and other china made printers. Also, only 33% of the MK3 is built using parts made in china. Yeah, the stepper motors are made in china, but they're made by LDO, its a known brand that makes high quality parts. better than made in china printers that use no name off brand components.
@paultrautner1941
@paultrautner1941 Жыл бұрын
Thats because people don't contact prusa when they fail. I have 2 MKS3's that my work which both broke in less than a year. Ender 3 S1 with the sonic pad has been going strong for longer with no isses.
@eXe09
@eXe09 Жыл бұрын
@@paultrautner1941 Why would't you contact the manufacturer with a broken machine? Seems like a weak ass excuse :)
@Mr3DPrintWizard
@Mr3DPrintWizard Жыл бұрын
Babe you didn’t have to show your love in your video but you did. Thank you and from all of us goons know that we love you back no matter how intellectually inept you may actually be.
@twbowyer
@twbowyer Жыл бұрын
Why the hate? You have some good points, but your delivery….
@EspenShampoo25
@EspenShampoo25 Жыл бұрын
You haven't seen this guy before I guess. This dude has been haiting on them for half a decade by now
@chrisbaker3760
@chrisbaker3760 Жыл бұрын
I will say on the v wheel motion system, that where it becomes inferior is in the precision of the extrusion. Often they are twisted or bowed, combined with the thin warped beds it can give people issues with the first layer or if you need a proper flat surface for fitment of prints. I would have preferred to see linear rails on this machine to reduce noise and play, and help make the motion system a little more precise. The printed parts are there to stick with the open source theme of the printer, it's a mk4 of the i3 so they want it to continue the same principles... But my question is why does the XL have printed parts, especially the PC printed parts on it that are in contact with oils and grease and will cause issues. Good luck to Prusa, I was impressed by the speed in the video but I have an old Anet A8 here retired from my print farm that I am tempted to throw klipper on and see what speed I can get out of that for a laugh. Also the mesh levelling in the print area is a feature developed by community members in Klipper and has been happening for about a year now
@jure224
@jure224 Жыл бұрын
You Are so Right. My next Printer is a Klipper Printer For sure.
@pantonediago2827
@pantonediago2827 Жыл бұрын
I was on the fence between a BambuLab and a Prusa and you convinced me to go for the MK4!
@seanwood5443
@seanwood5443 Жыл бұрын
hahaha bamboo labs is was better this this garbage
@pantonediago2827
@pantonediago2827 Жыл бұрын
@@seanwood5443 “bamboo” “is was” “this this”
@LisaHarsh
@LisaHarsh Жыл бұрын
The upgrade kit was bottom right on the page listing their printers.
@dibeda96
@dibeda96 Жыл бұрын
It was added later from the announcement on all social media
@LisaHarsh
@LisaHarsh Жыл бұрын
@@dibeda96 I saw the link in the video. He just missed it. The upgrade kit is $539.
@holden_tld
@holden_tld Жыл бұрын
@@dibeda96 it's literally in the video. he looks right at it and his blind hatred makes him unable to comprehend i guess. 33:27 Printer upgrades MK3S+ to MK3.5 MK3S+ to MK3.9 MK3S+ to MK4
@MacVision3D
@MacVision3D Жыл бұрын
I have a prusa mk2s and it’s still printing like a champ I never had to fix it or up grade it , it just works
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
The Mark 2 is a good purchase decision. At the time.
@kamisamaz
@kamisamaz Жыл бұрын
You are trying so hard that you actually convinced me. I'm buying the Mk4. Thanks!
@MikiCab1
@MikiCab1 Жыл бұрын
He sold me on the MK4 also.
@mcstando
@mcstando Жыл бұрын
mk4 is definitely very good printer, I'm just not sure if it's worth 1200$...... Not to mention that you could DIY it with available, off the shelf parts for less and having basically the same quality
@TheBoxster1998
@TheBoxster1998 Жыл бұрын
he must be paid by Prusa to try the reverse psychology tactic. It looks like it's working...🤣🤣🤣
@MikiCab1
@MikiCab1 Жыл бұрын
@@mcstando I am not adverse to paying someone for a quality product. Plus you get their support
@Z-add
@Z-add Жыл бұрын
For 1200 get a bambulab
@T_____c
@T_____c Жыл бұрын
There need to be criticism where it need to be, also at Prusa.. but it sounds more like hate speech then constructive criticism..
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
You clearly don't even understand the beginning of what that word means.
@JustTony72
@JustTony72 Жыл бұрын
Reduced bed mesh leveling has been available in klipper for a while now. It is third party and not supported by klipper main dev team but it does work.
@bigjd2k
@bigjd2k Ай бұрын
We love Prusa for lots of reasons - not only are the printers great and the support amazing, but they’re in Europe and make as much as possible in-house. They open-source their designs and release slicers which support lots of other printers too. Their factory looks like a great place to work. It’s like manufacturing in the West used to be - before everyone sold out to China. Products always used to be quite expensive when made here - but the quality more than makes up for it. It’s seeing money circulate in your own economy rather than going overseas. It’s what every town needs - thriving industry, exporting great products. Not just relying on globalisation for everything. It’s the Prusa ethos and lifestyle, we love it and hope the message spreads! One day I hope to run a thriving manufacturing company making something great locally too.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Ай бұрын
Joseph Prusa is likely a dark triad personality. I talked about that in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pd6Cn5eh1rexd4E.htmlsi=Sl7JEh2z9NUEZFt5. The most horrible men throughout history have have been the same personality type. All I ever wanted and asked for was to be recognized for my contribution and be a part of the club which calls itself "tHe cOmmUNiTy." Instead he gets his attack dogs to constantly harass and attack me across the internet. They Dox and hack me. HE WILL NOT DISAVOW these heinous things which are done in his name. I've asked repeatedly. Why would he? Given his public displays of sadism he feels joy at seeing me be hurt. This is is the ugly emotionality behind the leadership at the company you support. No amount of facilitating open source or "Made in Europe" can compensate for giving such a man more power and money. You are making the world a worse place.
@holden_tld
@holden_tld Жыл бұрын
i love how much you hate prusa *goes back to printing on my prusa*
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
#IdentityPolitics #TeamSport #TruthDoesntMatter
@holden_tld
@holden_tld Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest lol living for it.
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 Жыл бұрын
have fun taking 40+ minutes for a benchy
@jenskmigselv
@jenskmigselv Жыл бұрын
I was looking for your insights on this - thanks.
@TheBoxster1998
@TheBoxster1998 Жыл бұрын
and all you got was assumptions and just a lot of hate...🤣🤣🤣
@jenskmigselv
@jenskmigselv Жыл бұрын
@@TheBoxster1998 Yeah. Although I agree with a lot of the points, I was baffled about how an American basically thinks supporting an EU country is any bit as good/bad as China.
@LordHog
@LordHog Жыл бұрын
For the Bambu printers is there open source or alternative firmware that can be installed such that print files don’t need to be posted to the cloud?
@santiagoblandon3022
@santiagoblandon3022 Жыл бұрын
How can you use input shaping on a bedslinger if the mass of the bed will vary throughout the print? sometimes by hundreds of grams, even more than a Kg in some cases. Can someone explain? thanks.
@perchte
@perchte Жыл бұрын
1:34 Outdated or just were in need for changes only now, since the printhead and motors are more powerful and so force other changes aswell? 1:45 Dishonesty or Ignorance? What do you think that the MK3S and the MK3S+ were? They already improved constantly, which many critizised as a cashgrab with the upgrade kits. 2:20 Because all the prusas I and my friends have just work, thousands of hours, with little to no maintenance. The Enders all my friends got, constantly had issues and because a lot of tinkering was involved, resulted in inferior print a lot of times.
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@perchte So what your saying is "all my friends" and I just suck at simple printer tuning so we got Prusa to send us their idiot proof printers. Kudos to Prusa for making idiot proof printers but that dosn't make Enders bad cause you can perform simple tasks. You all need to diss on the one company that's actually trying to give affordable printers to the masses and has created a printing sub community that dopey Joe could only dream of. Just another "This channel doesn't have any content"
@thomasfjen
@thomasfjen Жыл бұрын
I think this video is definitely better than his last ones and his criticism is fairly reasonable (maybe often hot takes or hard worded but okayish). Ofc the prusa is no value printer and they integrated a good amount of popular mods of the community into this new release. To have a comparable ender 3 you need to splash out a good amount of money. All in all Bambu is it's biggest competitor in terms of features and value and it's fair to say for many the Bambu is the better printer.
@azimuth9819
@azimuth9819 Жыл бұрын
If a car company starts adding a turbo to a car that didn't have a turbo in previous models, are they a copycat? Or is it an update? Who cares if they didn't reinvent every screw on it, it's an updated printer. your logic seems flawed the further the video goes on. Went from a review to a weird rant.
@fenrir4046
@fenrir4046 Жыл бұрын
Are you retarded? What's with the apples to oranges example, moron?
@nicholasscherman3842
@nicholasscherman3842 Жыл бұрын
There is a klipper macro repository that has a macro which does mesh leveling in the print area.
@ivyr336
@ivyr336 Жыл бұрын
Mind sharing it? Could make use out of that
@smartinsilicon
@smartinsilicon Жыл бұрын
This video is like if someone told AI to mashup 3d printing with Fox News
@blairhammond5456
@blairhammond5456 Жыл бұрын
LOL This guys brain has deffo been boggling! the nervous voice squeak and eye twitches are still there. I came for the hyper rant and wasn't disappointed. Im not a Prusa fan at all, but this guy's hilarious. .. The new Homeless look just tops it off haha
@afkafkafk
@afkafkafk Жыл бұрын
i think the encrypted and offline ready segements are digs on bambu
@mikecrane2782
@mikecrane2782 Жыл бұрын
Agree, I think a lot of the bullet points-taglines in the official Prusa launch are playing on BambuLabs approach and criticisms that have been made.
@goyetus
@goyetus Жыл бұрын
Hello! please, could you answer this about the acelerometer? (Prusa Movement dont make any sense to me) - The printer has no acelerometer - Prusa Understands that the vibration in their labs is not the vibration in a lack table or in a granite+foam base? - how the hell are we going to fine tune Input Shaping? It´s madness.........
@GarethMcCumskey
@GarethMcCumskey Жыл бұрын
I agree with you that Prusa sat to lng on their victory and did very little to innovate in the consumer space. And you are right to call out the zealots that support them. However, I feel you may have gotten too far over on the other side by criticising what didn't need criticism. For example, replacing printed parts with injection moulded parts is not an instant improvements; injection moulding is not necessarily superior to 3D printed parts. And a few other bits and pieces. The Bambu Labs printers are incredible (I have a P1P) and am looking forward to seeing the continued competition as Prusa and others now try to "catch up" which only makes things better for everyone!
@MicroplaysMC
@MicroplaysMC Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. I wondered why there were so many dislikes on the video and after hearing him rant on about how awful 3d printed pieces were I was confused. If they don't break they don't need to be glass fiber filled. Metal? Why the hell would you CNC a steel or aluminum piece, drive the cost up 10 fold, when it doesn't NEED to be metal? That's just terrible reasoning.
@Tottorul
@Tottorul Жыл бұрын
@@MicroplaysMC yeah, hes already complaining about the price, and now he wants to increase it for no good reason
@Tottorul
@Tottorul Жыл бұрын
well considering that its been 5 years since mk3 latest upgrade and 2-3 of them where pandemic years. along with having tested the mk4s for a year and having the XL on the line id say they have been nothing but bussy, its not too long in any sense. and prusa likes to release products that work, which takes time
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@@Tottorul shit yer! im buying 10 prusa's tomorrow!!!! they are just that good! you should buy 10 too!
@Tottorul
@Tottorul Жыл бұрын
@@Defyant123 Im buying an mk4 in some months. cant wait!
@CodeMonkeX
@CodeMonkeX Жыл бұрын
Just a note the "Time Saving Mesh Bed Leveling" has been done recently on Voron printers. It's a custom mod that someone wrote that just probes the area you are going to print on. No idea if they got that idea from somewhere else.
@mkuebbeler
@mkuebbeler Жыл бұрын
There are Klipper scripts for that, so probably it has been inspired by others.
@Kaliumcyanidful
@Kaliumcyanidful Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but the Input-shaping section was technically very wrong, since the bed changes mass during printing and therefore changing the eigenfrequencies. Also the point of mk3 is beeing a bed slinger, changing this would kill upgradability Even More.
@dczqdczq200
@dczqdczq200 Жыл бұрын
specific printing area bed mesh levelling has been done before :)
@voyeger4464
@voyeger4464 Жыл бұрын
I think the draft mode is probably a layer height of 0.3 and above, not the nozzle diameter. 0.1mm can be considered extra fine mode and 0.2mm layer height can be considered standard or medium mode. But your point is still valid.
@eXe09
@eXe09 Жыл бұрын
He is actually wrong, as always. Both prints were printed on draft mode (you can clearly see that on the models, the same layer height), with the exact same settings. Mk4 with input shaping is simply 3 times faster than Mk3, that's all, no rocket science.
@AwestrikeFearofGods
@AwestrikeFearofGods Жыл бұрын
17:21 Easily the most important feature. Can't support Bambu while they're in the spyware business.
@DcotorDM
@DcotorDM Жыл бұрын
You can print from SD card and X1C has LAN mode
@ashman2023
@ashman2023 Жыл бұрын
The bambu printer doesn’t need to be connected online
@TimeDoubleTV
@TimeDoubleTV Жыл бұрын
I strugled to watch the entire thing but eventually did, good for you. Lets adress some FACTS (cuz you are as always full of asumpstions as always). 1) MK4 was being devopeled way before the announcement of Prusa XL so your statatement who had it first is beyond ridiculous 2) Mikolas stated that both of the benchies were printed using the same draft settings and same nozzle sizes (if you actually took a closer look you would see that 0.6 was definitely not used). but the MK4 was using an input shaper and faster speeds/ accels. 3) MK3 and other printers DO NOT limit the fan speed nor use it as marketing (wtf is that statement anyway). The MK4 on the other hand WILL do that because it has a extra termistor in the heatsink area, so you when printing at lower temperatures you will actually get lower fan noise as a benefit and are able to control the fan upon the termistor feedback. PS. new pc fan is also more powerful. As you probably (?) know you CONTROL the PC fan in the slicer. 4) bed slinger outdated and dead? Oh boy. How about upgradability, repairability, easy of use? 5) Prusa stealing E3D design and being frenemies. Also wtf is that even mean. They codeveloped the hotend and E3D will still be the supplier for those. Also you can use your V6 nozzles with an adapter 6) Cutting people out by using anti-VFA motors? Still LDO as always also codeveloped. 7) Having rigid frame/runout sensor and load cell is bad? At least you presented them this way. Good to know. Funfact, did you know that the load cell is so good that technically you can SCAN physically objects on the bed with it? 8) Dude you are comparing Czech people to Russians and their culture? So much racism in one sentence you have there, how can people praise you for this is beyond me. xenophobia maximum. 9) English not being my first language and hearing about my country as being secondary communist country is really insulting and of course I am gonna butcher english as a second language. How many languages do YOU speak? 10) Prusa is Open Source, thats the whole point and will always be. As stated in the new article. 11) Support. I have a Bambulab P1P and I am currently waiting 10 days for response for my dead bearing. Is that also superior support? 12) MMU2 is crap tbh, hopefully the promised MMU3 will fix all the issues. Especially the diagnostics. There is a cutter btw. There was a point where your videos were teaching stuff and was very informative. These rants are getting old and tiring. There are Prusas at NASA, Skoda, Haas and others, why is that?
@adenlahiff8240
@adenlahiff8240 Жыл бұрын
“I haven’t seen a 3D printer catch fire in forever, I just don’t think eletrical protection is that important” - So by your theory, because YOU haven’t seen it, it doesn’t happen at all and there shouldn’t be a need to employ any means of protection… I must have missed the memo where electricity became ‘safe’ in recent times
@sammacin4082
@sammacin4082 Жыл бұрын
I was looking forward to this video 🤣
@TheMaxAwesome
@TheMaxAwesome Жыл бұрын
Bambu updated their firmware to support LAN-only mode, so your prints stay on your local network now. Also you’ve always been able to export your gcode from Bambu Studio and put it on a microSD and plop it in your P1P (can’t speak for X1/C as I don’t own one). Also, what’s with the safety-bashing? Regulations are written in blood, and this is a product out of the EU, not America, so why the single-mom coddling of the US nonsense? Weird rant to go on, and pretty revealing about your disdain for…checks notes…single moms.
@kloakovalimonada
@kloakovalimonada Жыл бұрын
The sentiment that something built in USA is better by default is laughable.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
Ok. Sure.
@jacobkeller84
@jacobkeller84 Жыл бұрын
Is the MK3S+ a better deal now with the discount? (Kit)
@BenMyhillJones
@BenMyhillJones Жыл бұрын
Yes, they reduced the price a fair bit.
@arbjful
@arbjful Жыл бұрын
I am just about ready to pull the trigger on a Prusa i3MK3S+ 3D printer. The good documentation and the great community support was my compelling point. I don’t mind Chinese products, but I am worried about the possible lack of support and proper documentation. Which do you think I should go for, Prusa or Bambu? Remember this is my first 3D printer.
@highrise9559
@highrise9559 Жыл бұрын
I am brand new to the 3D printing world and I decided to buy a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon Combo. I made my decision partly because of all the good reviews and partly because the printer made everything much simpler to accomplish than the other printers. I have had my X1 for three weeks now and it has functioned perfectly. With that all being said, if I was an experienced 3D guy, and was experienced with dealing with all the varieties of filament and slicer settings, I can see going with a Prusa.
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 Жыл бұрын
Bambu is easier to use, around 4x faster, larger, and easier to use. There is extensive documentation on their wiki, and the community is huge.
@highrise9559
@highrise9559 Жыл бұрын
@@morbus5726 What he said! 👍
@omittedprod
@omittedprod Жыл бұрын
@@highrise9559 be aware that the Bambu is much louder
@highrise9559
@highrise9559 Жыл бұрын
@@omittedprod I don't know what you are comparing the sound level to so I can't speak to your statement. However, I find it relatively quiet, unless you are printing PETG with the door open, the fan full blast, and on ludicrous mode. I live in an apartment, and I can't even hear it when it is running and I am about 20 feet away in another room.
@SteveKompel
@SteveKompel Жыл бұрын
I don't think Chris's basement is a Prusa fanboy. His test bed printer LOG has a wooden 'z frame' and is a clone. His current video series is using old mk2.5 printers that he has around. His carnival claw series of videos had 0% prusa. Just saying. I am looking forward to your next engineering video.
@ce5903
@ce5903 Жыл бұрын
“Nozzle Taps the Surface”. Ok that sounds like a good idea, but what if there is burnt plastic on the nozzle? Maybe it won’t be a repeatable solution.
@Chris-oj7ro
@Chris-oj7ro Жыл бұрын
It should be coupled with a nozzle wiping routine, but I'm not sure if anyone is actually doing that.
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@@Chris-oj7ro Bambu? Voron?
@jonrudderforth1004
@jonrudderforth1004 Жыл бұрын
my internet has been down for over a week at home and I am printing on my X1 carbon by putting the files on the sd card and plugging it into the printer with no problems
@FireDragon3D
@FireDragon3D Жыл бұрын
Sometimes success creates complacency, this very complacency creates competition and innovation. I’ve seen it in many different industries over the last 25 years, same story. But in this case I think Prusa will survive.
@D4RKFiB3R
@D4RKFiB3R Жыл бұрын
Dude... It's bit of a leap to say that they told that guy to "knock it off". You shouldn't be making baseless claims like that, it makes you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist. Link to that guys channel please. I'd like to take a look for myself.
@billkaroly
@billkaroly Жыл бұрын
Revo wasn't the first easy to swap nozzle. A Czech company was first (I think they are Czech). My son loves PRUSA because their machines just work. Me, I'll go for an Ender 3 S1 Pro.
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 Жыл бұрын
which czech company?
@kymlalu
@kymlalu Жыл бұрын
@@morbus5726 protoprint3dp and it is RAPTOR Hot-end. They have some similarities
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 Жыл бұрын
@@kymlalu the raptor has a standard v6 nozzle with two tubes. The only thing that makes it special is the ptc heater, which has been used before. It's nothing like the cold swap revo hotend.
@TheMuaddibdune
@TheMuaddibdune Жыл бұрын
Yeah and btw, smooth is thicker... Only real point i found so far... except the... emotions... is really the draft/no draft nonsese i agree with you... but... where you get the info about the 6mm nozzle? This is standart for XL, but...
@cigp
@cigp Жыл бұрын
David Ashenbrener and his stinger was the first time i saw a truly nozzle bed leveling approach, i was so clever.
@wayne7824
@wayne7824 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree with the warranty. I have an ender 3 s1 and reached out to their warranty dept. I instantly got support and spare parts.
@Smokinjoewhite
@Smokinjoewhite Жыл бұрын
They must have really ramped up support after the v2, I couldn't even get them to put the correct damn firmware on their page for the GD32 chips and had to compile firmware myself. Not a Prusa fan at all by the way, the mk4 is underwhelming at best yet people are lapping it up. Give me 3 sv06's and a pi or sonic pad any day. It will do the vast majority of what the mk4 does, even the time saving leveling can be implemented through klipper.
@juanmunoz628
@juanmunoz628 Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown! Enjoyed the video, keep up the great work!
@kozakm
@kozakm Жыл бұрын
My torture test is Recreuse Filaflex 60A. Can MK4 print it? MK3S couldn't...
@BuildEver
@BuildEver Жыл бұрын
33:22 MK3 to MK4 upgrade kit is literally there. You event had your mouse over it.
@Edy195_
@Edy195_ Жыл бұрын
This guy sure is something else... And all the hate from American towards european countries east of Germany. Oh wait, Mihai Designs is from Romania... Netiher of these countries Czech or Romania is in Eastern Europe.. No matter what this guys narrow view of world is...
@BuildEver
@BuildEver Жыл бұрын
@Edy 195 What does it have to do with my comment?
@Edy195_
@Edy195_ Жыл бұрын
@@BuildEver not much. Just overall observation and commenting. Conversation if you may.
@juanesteban8827
@juanesteban8827 Жыл бұрын
@@Edy195_ I hate to tell you but many people over the age of 40 consider Romania, and to a lesser extent the Czech Republic, to be Eastern Europe. A Basically any area that was behind the old "Iron Curtain" .
@eXe09
@eXe09 Жыл бұрын
@@juanesteban8827 This clown is considering even Germany as East Europe, hard to argue against that :DD
@SomethingWet
@SomethingWet Жыл бұрын
You are really embracing the prison look in this video
@barnaculesnerdgasmextra
@barnaculesnerdgasmextra Жыл бұрын
He's just getting prepared ahead of time. Did you see that he DDoS'd several people using a DDoS for hire site that he paid for and didn't' even use a VPN the first time so it got traced right back to him? Then he attacked Prusa's site using a VPN but doesn't realize that doesn't protect you when your signature is already on record. The FBI, Comcast and Cloudflare are now involved and he's trying to have people attack me now because my moderator was the one who caught him after he made false accusations against me and attacked him when he requested evidence on Twitter back on 3/12 via his test_prototype account.
@rudetoons7906
@rudetoons7906 Жыл бұрын
Prusa is still a great company, the most china 3d printers wouldnt exist today if prusa would have the same policy like bamboo lab. But its true the mk3 felt outdated for years, i i was really hoping to see a dualextruder on mk4 :/ iam also a little disapointed
@dangerous8333
@dangerous8333 Жыл бұрын
Everything he listed in this video is proof how they are not a great company. Had I drink the Kool-Aid and bought a Prusa I would be very bitter right now about the money I wasted after seeing what I've been able to do with just a couple hundred bucks and an Ender 3. The same reason I don't like apple or adobe anymore is the same reason I don't like Prusa. Yes, China would have 3d printers by now with or without Prusa.
@fenrir4046
@fenrir4046 Жыл бұрын
What the actual fuck are you basing your statement on?
@thegarageluthier
@thegarageluthier Жыл бұрын
​@@dangerous8333 he basically got everything he listed wrong 😅
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech Жыл бұрын
​@@thegarageluthier I keep at the bleeding edge of computing because I can afford it. You remind me of a poor fan boy who bought the 3070ti from a chinese bitcoin farm the day before the 4090 came out. Now you're butthurt that you can't run UE5 games. Neither can I because graphics cards are 2 years (at least) behind but I'll buy the 5090 in a year and a half and will play them on my 8k lgoled with dlss4 support. While you're stuck with a 3070ti. Don't buy something you'll have to defend. I learned that before I got rich as a poor child/college student.
@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255
@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 Жыл бұрын
@@dangerous8333 You haven't been around for long in this space, have you? This guy has been doing *nothing* but criticize Prusa the last 5 years for supposedly stealing his ideas, and that was proven false pretty quickly. You'd expect someone to have the emotional maturity to just move past that and let them be after 5 years, even if he still doesn't like them as a company, but he'd rather be a resentful prick instead. See his Twitter threads for yourself if you don't agree. If you have never met a hardcore hater in real life, this is how they would look it seems.
@brianmar8850
@brianmar8850 Жыл бұрын
That time-saving mesh bed leveling is a working documented featuring klipper!
@juancarlosvarasgarcia7284
@juancarlosvarasgarcia7284 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have and Ender 6 with that feature about a 4 months ago, apron
@TheOfficialDarkICE
@TheOfficialDarkICE Жыл бұрын
it's not it is a macro lol
@Heywood-----Jablomeh
@Heywood-----Jablomeh Жыл бұрын
Prusa has helped the 3d printing industry over the years and also helped to keep open-sorce projects open-sorce but I have to say given the current competition I am surprised they didn't come with something a bit newer form factor and kept the I3 design! I believe they are running out of time to be honest.....they do manufacture some really quality filament though!
@ShuhDonk
@ShuhDonk Жыл бұрын
You can print in LAN mode on the Bambulab btw, no cloud. Also you said you didn't not see the mk3 to mk4 upgrade kit, it was right there on the screen btw, not sure how you missed it. Btw I am not a Prusa fanboy at all, they are decent printers but way over priced. I have all bambulab printers myself.
@MaxMichel89
@MaxMichel89 Жыл бұрын
1)I do get some points of him, But changin the nozzle from a standard v6 isn't that big of a deal, they also do have a nozzle adapter, so you can still use your "old" V6 nozzles. Besides Competitor Bamboolab also sells its own nozzles without the Option of other nozzles... I also would have liked the Revo System in the mk4, but then the printer would be even more expensive (they still need to compete with the chinese Bamboolab as a european company; I don't want all my stuff from china, which can easily be cut off from supply due to a new trade war... which can happen fast sadly..) China and prague Yes who cares. One country is a democracy and the other one isn't. Even yeah not made in America, but then change that and support a local printer Manufacturer there... 2) The Expansion board is kinda smart, yeah you could run all the cables as usual, but that wouldn't be easier in the long run and maintaining the printhead is much faster this way (thats what ithink at least) 3) All the Stuff prusa now implements which has been available in the Opene scene is not bad it is good, One can only innovate so much. Also Bamboolabs did use a lot of Open source stuff, it is not bad. 4) I Feel like he does get on the Rage train for every little Marketing gimmick to hard. Every Printer Manufacuterer lists all the compatible materials (which is often not that true) and again and again he hops on that rage train, instead of just hopping over it, would also be a much shorter video then. 5) People buy a Prusa to print stuff and yes you can get there with an Ender, but the Ender itself is a Hobby. I bought a Prusa (you might already guessed it right?) because I want to print and not to fiddle with the printer all the time. 6) I do understand a lot of his critism, but crtitizing a Person for being one is very low... critize the product....
@CodeMonkeX
@CodeMonkeX Жыл бұрын
I personally think switching the MK4 to Revo would have caused them a lot of problems with the install base. I expect that many people buying a MK4 will already have one or two other Prusa printers. Many people do not want to buy another set of nozzles. This seems like a decent middle ground, if you just buy the MK4 then you have Revo like functionality. But if you have all V6 nozzles then you can get an adapter to make them all work.
@racemanjer
@racemanjer Жыл бұрын
did prusa use to sponsor you?
@erraddict
@erraddict Жыл бұрын
Is picking up a P1P better than building a Voron Core XY printer?
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
It is certainly less effort. Beyond that I can't say. I've never used a P1P or built a Voron.
@Antrim3d
@Antrim3d Жыл бұрын
Again, I applaud your openness, honesty, and courage, to call it what it is... 🤔... I feel you've expressed my same thoughts very well. Nice job sir! 👍🏻I do wonder how many feathers get ruffled over this video...😂🤣😂
@palmaideasmallorca
@palmaideasmallorca Жыл бұрын
my MMU2 still not working, worst pruduct i buyed in my 3D printing story. love this video, roby from spapin
@UbberMapper
@UbberMapper Жыл бұрын
yeh i noticed how allot of 3d printer recommendation sites didn't have the Bambu listed...was really annoyed.
@bonsaiuser2053
@bonsaiuser2053 Жыл бұрын
Well, i moved to Bambu X1 Carbon AMS, and its not perfect, needs some tuning too, but its way better than my old mk2.5s. The Bambu AMS has its problems, but thats workable to the most parts, so i agree, that MK4 does not compare to X1. If I take MK4 with Enclusure MMU the price is not lower than Bambu at all. And the rest like open source, well, i dont really care. What i indeed dont like on Bambu is Cloud usage, but they have LAN mode, which works fine. I dont need the camera anyway, because its working reliable....
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@diaboloavocado
@diaboloavocado Жыл бұрын
Prusa as best in 2022 instead of Bambu may be because Bambu only came out in late 2022. Given the push to be "first" to release "best of year" awards or lists its hardly surprising they don't release best of 22 in 23. Prusa in 2022 might still be the best overall. Bambu must be in 2023 though. Game changer although not without its own problems. I don't think a MK4 is going to revolutionise the industry.
@3DKreateFPV
@3DKreateFPV Жыл бұрын
I do want to add that I believe i read that e3d is making the heatbreak and nozzle assembley for prusas nextruder. It was designed with e3d and prusa during the revos development. But I always enjoy your constructive criticism on all of your reviews, keep up the good work man.
@jesperjohannesen1696
@jesperjohannesen1696 Жыл бұрын
Constructive???
@Taipan66
@Taipan66 Жыл бұрын
Lol, constructive! 😂
@giaxxone
@giaxxone Жыл бұрын
How certain are you that E3D isn’t making the hot end? Or that Prusa is “cutting their vendors out”?
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
Without being a fly on the wall at Prusas business meetings none of us can know this for sure. What we do know is all the vendors who used to brag about being part of Prusa are now silent. What other explanation can you think of to explain this observation? Also, there are examples where Prusa absolutely did cut their vendors out. For example: Filamentum used to ship with every Prusa. Now we have Prusament.
@dibeda96
@dibeda96 Жыл бұрын
My brother in christ, they are buying several companies and rebranding the products as theirs
@giaxxone
@giaxxone Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest I think what we’re “observing” is Prusa charting their future by securing the replacement parts flow through more protective contracts with their vendors… so those vendors don’t undercut them on their mark-up, but also don’t need to. It’s certainly no accident that the new hot end is basically a Revo with some minor changes..
@thegarageluthier
@thegarageluthier Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest Prusa stated E3D are still making the heatbreaks and LDO are making the steppers.
@relativisticvel
@relativisticvel Жыл бұрын
I don’t like the direct nozzle measurement. It causes stray bits of plastic on the nozzle to mess up the measurement. I prefer something like klicky.
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle Жыл бұрын
I agree with some of the points you've made, but you went on tangents about unrelated subjects a number of times; somewhat detracted from the video imo, but i defo agree that prusa is over valued atm (tho i do love the PCB design, wonder what those connectors are called)
@3dpyromaniac560
@3dpyromaniac560 Жыл бұрын
They look like mostly some JST headers on the tool head board
@TedbearDK
@TedbearDK Жыл бұрын
You, sir, cut like obsidian - no bullshit. I've been printing for years, but your content is gold even for seasoned hobbyist like myself - thank you! Happy I stumbled across your channel.
@patrickbutlermonterde6678
@patrickbutlermonterde6678 10 ай бұрын
Love your content! 99% agree with you. Prusa has been lagging behind for years, not improving, just investing the min, and reaping rewards... From your comments, for me, I would say the Quality + safety, are super important, however, most of the new 3D printers have increased their qa. by a large margin...I hope Prusa increases investing more in their R&D and provides better products for the money. Also, their upgrade paths are pretty expensive and make no sense.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest 10 ай бұрын
Prusa doesn't really have R&D. They have Josef. He is the decider. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qJ6Gld2jv5_deIU.htmlsi=CJw5JSqtmng8_FEV
@David3o3
@David3o3 Жыл бұрын
The extruder with large wheel and 2 bearings is a copy too. There's some Chinese extruder using that tech for roughly 2 years or so now lol
@stelonous
@stelonous Жыл бұрын
I love my mini and I love prusa support. the Mk4 is an autobuy for me where-as I've heard nothing but bad things from Bambu support and community. The MK4 will work and produce good prints.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
You *hear* nothing but bad because the biased "community" controlled by Prusa is exaggerating every trivial complaint. Meanwhile if you try to say something bad about Prusa you get insulted from every angle and told to seek help. Make no mistake Prusa controls the propaganda machine in the 3D printing space across the internet. I have no doubt there are some quality issues from Bambu Lab They are greatly exaggerated because fear mongering gives Prusa more sales.
@greliusz
@greliusz Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest I live in Poland, we have a large printing community and half of them bought Bamboo, what you say is a lie, there are people on the forums who cry that the rods are worn out when they played with the "speed" printing and the support says that the looseness is normal and they sent people to the pavement. And on the forum about Prusa, no complaints. My advice to you, calm down, buy a Prusa and only then can you criticize, because for now you are rolling the same things based on the internet, pictures, recordings, etc. - you behave the same way as an Android fan who has never had an Apple on his hand, and pours out so much venom xD
@richmond411
@richmond411 Жыл бұрын
Case in point! Thanks. That's the ignorant attitude of Prusa fans which makes the company rich.
@cataelectron
@cataelectron Жыл бұрын
Input shaping for bed slingers is hard to do... The weight of the bed is changing with the size of the print and the height already printed so probably the resonance frequency is changing too.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
This is such a good point! They need an accelerometer attached to the bed and a dynamic script adjusting input shaping as the print proceeds.
@cataelectron
@cataelectron Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest If they had that they would be bragging in their video, my guess is that the acceleration is set so low for Y axis that input shaping does basically nothing.
@twanheijkoop6753
@twanheijkoop6753 Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest on my ender 3 s1 y axis input shaping effectiveness does indeed degrade near the top of a heavy (250g+) print. but it's still leagues ahead of not running it.
@williamluong7743
@williamluong7743 Жыл бұрын
​@@cataelectron they can't do the speedbenchy without low accel, what? You can also use different shaper algorithms to correct for wider ranges of frequencies...
@DrKleiner0815
@DrKleiner0815 Жыл бұрын
​@@williamluong7743check the video, you will see that the nozze moves right and left harder than the bed
@advanced3dprinting
@advanced3dprinting Жыл бұрын
@design prototype test. I have been developing my fxd extruder and have posted on my groups and patreon my 3 point setup years ago . BTW it's great but they didn't co strain the path well enough from what I can see
@mrt5393
@mrt5393 10 күн бұрын
I just did the upgrade to MK4 and must say many of these changes are nice to have and not really changing the printer much. What really improved was the 32 bit board, WiFi and LCD. The rest was good enough and got slightly improved to make this printer nearly 2x as fast as MK3S and super quiet. I use the printer when I need something reliable and quiet and combined with press connect and WiFi changed the dynamics 360* I’m really happy over all. But I also got the K1 max for larger print and must say corexy is the future while it’s a speed beast it’s also a noisy daemon from hell once it accelerates. So overall the prusa is the more polished system but I have yet to try a Bambu and see if it dethroned prusa. At this point I’m not convinced
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest 10 күн бұрын
There is no doubt Bambu Lab is superior to Prusa in almost every way. Does it matter? Nope. Not at all. Recently I showed that you can get a really high quality Benchie from a $70 printer these days. We've reached the point where this is all just Phalus-Swinging contests. Enjoy the printer you invested all the time and money on. It's too late for you to second guess your choices now. Buyers remorse sucks. Focus on the printing, not the printer. Have a nice day.
@Jason-io9qn
@Jason-io9qn Жыл бұрын
You almost seem to have outright rage for what they're doing while giving other vendors praise for doing the same thing? It's really hard to understand your points sometimes. I did chuckle when you said that people who might like this are being emotional, given your overall video. I'd encourage you to watch your own video and try to look at it objectively. As far as why people might want one? 3d printing is something I need to support some things I do. It isn't a hobby in and of itself and I have very little free time. I have several friends who are seriously into it. When I'm printing 40+ hour prints on an out-of-the-box printer with not one minute of tinkering, it's hard to complain about them. I've finished jobs literally a week before a friend with Enders and a Voron were able to finish theirs as they had to adjust, tinker, and restart. I would 100% love someone to point me at a superior printer at the same price point, without hours on end of tinkering.
@CodakProvision
@CodakProvision Жыл бұрын
Love the video and opinion on this. I may not agree 100%, but I appreciate another view point on the Prusa eco system. Some of your key points have been a concern of mine for a while.
@LotharKrupka
@LotharKrupka Жыл бұрын
Bambu lab were not the first ones to come with the carbon fiber rods. I don't remember the name now, but i've seen them used in corexy configuration long time ago...
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
Tech2c I gave him lots of credit in my review of the bambu lab. X1 carbon.
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest Yes you did :) checked all his stuff out thanks for the info
@dingdongdaddy589
@dingdongdaddy589 Жыл бұрын
Carbon rods have been used for over a decade as linear guide rods in some semiconductor equipment. Not new in the REAL world, at all…
@thegarageluthier
@thegarageluthier Жыл бұрын
Theres also a reason they dont get used because they go like noodles over 80c.
@Defyant123
@Defyant123 Жыл бұрын
@@thegarageluthier they do? can i get a linky pls.
@TheSohckid
@TheSohckid Жыл бұрын
I have had two og anet a8s and I still run a anet a8 plus and I have never had any issues. But I will upgrading the a8 plus i have to a 32 bit board with 2209 drivers, igus bearings, ed3 v6 clone with a upgraded throat, heater block, thermal coupler, noctua 40mm fan, cooling duct, bltouch, going to get input shaping working in marlin just waiting on all the parts to get here.
@billkaroly
@billkaroly Жыл бұрын
Marlin 2.1.x has input shaping. There is a driver chip you can buy for X and Y that supports input shaping.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
Always love hearing from you Bill. Top notch commentary and info.
@billkaroly
@billkaroly Жыл бұрын
​@@DesignPrototypeTest I saw that Mk4 announcement and thought of you. 😅
@yeroca
@yeroca Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest With this in mind, do you know if the Mk4 is using Marlin or Klipper?
@Smokinjoewhite
@Smokinjoewhite Жыл бұрын
@@yeroca it's a heavily customised version of marlin.
@richmond411
@richmond411 Жыл бұрын
Very nice video! However, being from central Europe (Austria, adjacent to Czech Republic) I really need to correct you: Czech Republic is indeed former communist territory and you still see this everywhere you go, but technology-, mindset- and quality-wise I would see them on par with Germany, Austria, etc. And European mindset in terms of quality is surely lightyears away from Chinese. And - sorry to say - me and most fellow Europeans definitely don't see USA as the gold standard here either. That being said I fully share your views on Prusa. Their fans remind me of Apple fanboys who don't care for the competition but rather claim "sure they are late, but when Apple eventually implements a feature, it finally works perfectly". Those people believe the rumor that Apple is super reliable, while Windows shows Bluescreens on a daily basis. And to avoid that, they happily spend twice the money for the same technology. I have a cheap china printer and it never let me down.
@caspar3152
@caspar3152 Жыл бұрын
I Think you also pay for the Prusa eco system of excellent support, constant upgrade options and spare parts for older models. And they produce in Europe not for dumping loans in China
@Launcherspider
@Launcherspider Жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure what channel he was talking about. I believe its MihaiDesigns
@elleryfg7853
@elleryfg7853 Жыл бұрын
Please guys let him do his thing. We need the other side too. Take his views and opinions, get some other opinions and reviews and form your own. I think there's value on what he does.
@DesignPrototypeTest
@DesignPrototypeTest Жыл бұрын
Thanks man. You seem like a reasonable fellow. Have a great day!
@elleryfg7853
@elleryfg7853 Жыл бұрын
@@DesignPrototypeTest I was waiting for your take on this announcement, I'm glad you where quick to it. I like to hear what you have to say about Prusa's printers and every other printer, but specially Prusa. There's too much adoration out there and most of your points are valid. I always get the "I hate Prusa" vibe but I see that you try to give credit where credit is due. I don't agree with everything you say or how you say it but I still want to hear it. Have a great day too and keep making awesome videos. 👍
@kimmotoivanen
@kimmotoivanen 11 ай бұрын
Opinions without facts don't have much value 🤔
@gigifrana940
@gigifrana940 Жыл бұрын
That mihai design is from Romania and the idea of that magnetic hotend and magnetic filament sensor plus 2+1 gears to push the filament are his ideas 😉 just check his videos from more than one year 😉
@thegarageluthier
@thegarageluthier Жыл бұрын
The designs for the extruder go back over a decade, Prusa has had the filament sensor for 5 or 6 years, the magnetic hotend also goes back more than 6 years.
@The.MrFish
@The.MrFish Жыл бұрын
If you are a capable builder, you can buy an Annex K3 kit from Alexpress for $660USD+shipping. Then you can have a printer capable of 30kmm/s2 accels, 30+ square corner velocity, 550mm/s 65c+ chamber temps(more with a bit of insulation) and a three point belted z with the ability to level the bed to 0.01mm. Not recommended for inexperienced builders, but for those with a bit of time under their belt it’s an amazing value proposition compared to a mk3/mk4/prusa mini
@MitchMAH
@MitchMAH Жыл бұрын
It's good to come across a video from someone who clearly hates the brand. It's nice to see the opinions of both sides and make a decision on what I believe is most accurate from each "extremes"
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