It's better for WOMEN to be ADORERS: understanding the balance of attraction

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In my model on the balance of attraction, I note that -- since it isn't possible for two people to like each other exactly the same amount -- one person (the adorer) must like the other person more, and one person (the adored) must like the other person less. While these two positions are gender neutral, I make the argument in this episode that it is actually better for women to be in the position of the adorer. This is due to the fact that adorers experience the lion's share of emotionality in a relationship, and women tend to mate and date up (suggesting that they actually want to look up to a man).
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@psychacks
@psychacks Жыл бұрын
In my model on the balance of attraction, I note that -- since it isn't possible for two people to like each other exactly the same amount -- one person (the adorer) must like the other person more, and one person (the adored) must like the other person less. While these two positions are gender neutral, I make the argument in this episode that it is actually better for women to be in the position of the adorer. This is due to the fact that adorers experience the lion's share of emotionality in a relationship, and women tend to mate and date up (suggesting that they actually want to look up to a man). Social Media Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: kzfaq.info/love/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXwjoin Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Sponsor an episode: oriontarabanpsyd.com/sponsor-an-episode #attraction #women #relationship
@user-dg2ob8jp6k
@user-dg2ob8jp6k Жыл бұрын
can you please talk about age gab
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Women have no concept of honour. They won't stay loyal to you just because they gave their word and gave some invisible oath in their heads. That's a purely male phenomenon. It doesn't compute in their heads. Women's only value is towards their momentary emotions. What you provide them with. And how you make em feel about themselves and look to others for status.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Sadly the most effective tactic is to date women who like you more than you like them. That's how you get something kinda fulfilling and positive from the relationship as a man.
@mattclark6482
@mattclark6482 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, maybe the most important relationship video on KZfaq, except now you have to make a video to teach men how to be content while being the adored
@dennischau2915
@dennischau2915 Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense! Thank you Doctor! Have a relaxing valentines day.
@forddreamsdofly546
@forddreamsdofly546 Жыл бұрын
RIP Patrice O’Neal. He said this 20 years ago and everyone thought he was insane. His psychology on relationships was ahead of its time.
@dattrax7
@dattrax7 Жыл бұрын
100%.I discovered him during the virus lockdowns and wished I heard his ideas before my marriage failed after almost 24yrs together.
@konsyansnou8623
@konsyansnou8623 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was a good one. If you don't mind, where was he saying that, bro?
@aferg76
@aferg76 Жыл бұрын
Video?
@konsyansnou8623
@konsyansnou8623 Жыл бұрын
@@aferg76 yeah
@dattrax7
@dattrax7 Жыл бұрын
@@aferg76 search elephant in the room on KZfaq. Best comedy special with amazing insights.
@Leoo117
@Leoo117 Жыл бұрын
It's super easy as a man to attract a woman when you aren't truly interested in her, because you don't care what she does, so you're being more of your usual masculine self, so you effortlessly give her enough room for her feelings to grow. When a man is truly interested in a woman, or adores her, he has to actually exercise some self-control and self-respect, because he tends to treat the one he wants a little differently than the others by reaching out too often and by other little things when interacting with her. This causes her to lose attraction and it gets in the way of the growth of her romantic feelings, because he essentially acts more feminine than her. This is why it seems to us men that the ones we like don't like us, but the ones we don't like always like us. Its due to our behavior. So with a little self-control and self-respect and being conscious of vetting the woman and seeing if she is good for us and treating her the same as we would any other woman, we can indeed have the woman we adore while also being adored by her. It's possible. Adoration doesn't equal pedestalization. It just has us acting less than our authentic selves sometimes without realizing it if we are not careful.
@zackmac5917
@zackmac5917 Жыл бұрын
I think that is true. It can be a little more complex than that. If you are still highly attractive in other ways to her, then the sort of "chasing" can almost seem endearing to some women if you do it well and with charm. Every woman is different in some ways. But yeah, generally speaking, I think that's correct. You do have to keep some self control and self respect, and monitor yourself because its so easy to put them on a pedestal, and most of the time doing that is no good. It's allways the ones you're not that bothered about that come to you lol.
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 Жыл бұрын
Women have tan poop.
@ChanceBerryman
@ChanceBerryman Жыл бұрын
This is why it’s so hard to get a woman you actually like
@byroncary2334
@byroncary2334 Жыл бұрын
Sounds nice in concept but much, much easier said than done in practice.
@AdreamyState
@AdreamyState Жыл бұрын
Simple and clean comment
@Dub636
@Dub636 Жыл бұрын
Rock solid relationship advice. As a man raised in a modern western society, you don’t realize how difficult it is to let a woman adore you. You always feel the need to be the one to adore because that’s what you are taught. And modern women are starving to be with a man they can adore as opposed to be the princess all the time
@javilo2797
@javilo2797 Жыл бұрын
Its programation dude, the soon you start being cognizant of these biases the soonee you will internalize how unnatural and foreign to you all these dynamics are. It takes time tho.
@amandaforrester7636
@amandaforrester7636 Жыл бұрын
Every man I've tried to love has told me they don't deserve me. :/ it's horrible
@primaveraverano1664
@primaveraverano1664 Жыл бұрын
To Adore=to chase. Chasing is 100% of masculine energy. The more a man is masculine the more he will chase. The more a woman is masculine the more she will chase (being with a masculine woman means you are more Feminine) So, the more a woman is adored the more Feminine she is ( which is good for your masculinity) Pure logic and facts
@Dub636
@Dub636 Жыл бұрын
@@primaveraverano1664 the entire premise your comment was based on is false. chasing is not masculine. You just think it is because our modern world has made it that way. It seems much more likely that throughout history women sought out alpha males rather than alpha males seek out the women. Do you think Genghis Kahn chased women? very doubtful
@ladytamara1503
@ladytamara1503 Жыл бұрын
@@primaveraverano1664 you listened to the video, but yet managed to still go back to your default settings. He’s saying the whole chasing game produces bored wives and women being adorers is not sustainable….is that clear enough for?
@IrinaZhygalyk
@IrinaZhygalyk Жыл бұрын
As a woman, I definitely enjoy being an adorer more than being an adored. I do think it makes sense.
@hivicar
@hivicar 10 ай бұрын
@@stevebusam2911 Yeah, and still may well pick up on that. But also she feels deprived of the best chance to show her honest self, weaknesses and all, otherwise.
@innal8244
@innal8244 10 ай бұрын
​@stevebusam2911 as long as she get the understanding that she is being adored , both parties are the winners 🎉
@innal8244
@innal8244 10 ай бұрын
I agree Irina, that's a natural state of the women that has been taken away by feminism
@Blissedx
@Blissedx 9 ай бұрын
I enjoy it until I don’t. Men can’t handle being adored. They take advantage of u or just get plain bored. Save the adoration for your side guy..but make sure the hubby loves you more 😂❤
@andrewcarlson2178
@andrewcarlson2178 8 ай бұрын
Makes sense. Men provide security with protection, resources and masculine presence. Women balance this with affection/adoration, nesting and maternal nature with children. Men are supposed to provide more, women are supposed to adore more. This is the balance
@havenbastion
@havenbastion Жыл бұрын
Whoever cares less has the power in the relationship.
@trans4myourlife
@trans4myourlife 11 ай бұрын
Agreed
@xyoungdipsetx
@xyoungdipsetx 10 ай бұрын
So true
@AuthoritativeChadWarrior
@AuthoritativeChadWarrior 9 ай бұрын
Yeah 😂
@dsstudio76
@dsstudio76 9 ай бұрын
Exatamente!
@michellemurphy7137
@michellemurphy7137 8 ай бұрын
Exactly & that’s what he’s talking about; Power Not love & respect for each other
@themick6586
@themick6586 Жыл бұрын
I remember when I met my wife 43 years ago how she looked up to me, I wasn't really into her , but gave her a chance anyway, after getting to know her an realizing how smart , honest, and feminine she was , I knew we could work together, I knew after my first marriage that I needed a woman that I could walk away from if I had too. But she has never given me a reason to, we both know our places and it's worked well for both of us.
@findinglela
@findinglela Жыл бұрын
Impressive
@dariog9029
@dariog9029 Жыл бұрын
Golden comment, thanks for sharing
@TheQueenIsWithin
@TheQueenIsWithin Жыл бұрын
So basically you settled for someone that was replaceable at the drop of a hat. Congrats.
@elchucapablas
@elchucapablas Жыл бұрын
@@TheQueenIsWithin while your comment is true, you’re painting it in the most negative light. He clearly loves her and would not leave her. It sounds like he’s not even planning on leaving So then why worry?
@themick6586
@themick6586 Жыл бұрын
@@TheQueenIsWithin I'm saying that I know that I can live without her ,but she adds so much value to my life that I prefer not to,
@TheSpecialJ11
@TheSpecialJ11 Жыл бұрын
The happiest relationships I've seen are where both adore each other, and the woman adores the man just a bit more.
@sjamr10
@sjamr10 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!
@aleewoolley
@aleewoolley 11 ай бұрын
Preach!!
@CrimsonLibra_20
@CrimsonLibra_20 7 ай бұрын
The Special, fully agree👍
@saifshaikh3191
@saifshaikh3191 5 ай бұрын
Thats what he said
@charliemilroy6497
@charliemilroy6497 4 ай бұрын
Relationships work best when you both do the things you need to for your partner. My wife's effort in the relationship and hard work for the family inspire me to work hard for her and the kids.
@voiceofexperience
@voiceofexperience Жыл бұрын
The opposite of love is not hate; the opposite to love is indifference.
@alterego157
@alterego157 8 ай бұрын
Nope, indifference is neutral
@doncartier6796
@doncartier6796 7 ай бұрын
I think love and hate are the same thing. You cannot hate someone or something if there was no love for it or them. And in order to love, you must have some hate to steer clear from. I know it sounds odd but hate and love are synonymous with each other. Indifference is neutral but is the opposite of both. If you didn’t care, then how can you love or hate ______?
@voyageswithshyeasha1398
@voyageswithshyeasha1398 6 ай бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@lordsafro
@lordsafro 5 ай бұрын
@@alterego157indifference is non emotional. love and hate are the same and cannot be opposite because they are both rooted in the fact that they are: emotions. The opposite, then, to an emotion, is indifference, which is non emotional.
@erickouhai9818
@erickouhai9818 4 ай бұрын
Psychopasa Season 1
@varsedo
@varsedo Жыл бұрын
This is revolutionary. This is the alpha dynamic explained in the simplest way. You literally pinned it down to ‘you either do this to keep the woman you want or do this to lose her’. Thank you for this.
@HikeWithIke
@HikeWithIke 11 ай бұрын
Advance red pill content not for the average
@oncheugbabe6509
@oncheugbabe6509 Жыл бұрын
I agree with this about 92%. The remaining 8% would have been added if the speaker had acknowledged that balance is key with this. In reality we are better switching between adorer and adoree in cycles that depend largely on our maturity in life.
@denzelwashington3596
@denzelwashington3596 11 ай бұрын
True but as a man you should mostly be adored
@AkshayKumar-ue1fp
@AkshayKumar-ue1fp 9 ай бұрын
@@denzelwashington3596 Lmao, you are stupid both people should adore each other.
@andrewcarlson2178
@andrewcarlson2178 8 ай бұрын
Traditional roles dictated that men provided more security in the form of protection and resources while women provided more emotion in the form of adoration. There's your balance. We have to let go of modern societal teachings and back to evolutionary psychology
@CrimsonLibra_20
@CrimsonLibra_20 7 ай бұрын
Fully agree to that. Balance in adoration works for me and my gf
@Champ1988
@Champ1988 5 ай бұрын
There's a term for this, it's called a "switch." What the speaker is suggesting is that this dynamic can only be successful if the man is consistently displaying masculinity. That way when you do display adorer qualities, like buying her flowers, it doesn't turn her off.
@jtoddherbst
@jtoddherbst Жыл бұрын
Having lived for 5 decades and all kinds of relationship issues, the topic of Hypergamy is one of the key things I see causing male/female problems. Thanks Doc for helping us understand this better.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Hypergamy and hybristophilia are 100% true phenomena and create so much misery for men in relationships all around the world
@eladbari
@eladbari Жыл бұрын
No point getting into one if she isn't the adorer.
@lexzenis2544
@lexzenis2544 Жыл бұрын
@@eladbari agreed, but what doc is saying is you need to get an uglier woman then you are a man. You need to be the star in the relationship , Yet we are visual creatures...so its a bitter pill to swallow thats better for you. At least in this way you can focus on your lifes mission instead of capitulating and maintaining her attraction to you. Thats a drainer.
@haydenross987
@haydenross987 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a problem, it's the natural evolutionary female mating strategy. It's the same for all mostly all mammals, and has been the same for us for hundreds of thousands of years. The problem is the weakening and feminisation of men in our current society. It's been planned, it's all intentional and horrible. But so many men are waking up nowadays and it gives me hope for the world.
@nmbr1son64
@nmbr1son64 Жыл бұрын
The only problem with hypergamy is when it's SERIAL! If women think they can hop from relationship to relationship, then they become shallow...
@markaurelius61
@markaurelius61 Жыл бұрын
This makes sense. Something he left out is the male need to be admired. I didn't realise how important that is until a few years into my marriage when that seemed to be absent.
@steph6109
@steph6109 Жыл бұрын
What you're looking for is respect. If you weren't getting it it's because you never earn it. Women are very good at giving credit where its due. Try doing something admirable or kind for her
@markaurelius61
@markaurelius61 Жыл бұрын
@@steph6109 I agree in general, but that is not the whole of it. A number of people, like marriage counsellors, have said that women switch off men more often after marriage than vice versa, especially after the kids come. I think there is something of a weakness in women in maintaining the connection with a husband. Men love women more than women love men. I was basically the same person before the marriage as after it. She was fine before but a few years in I was not taken into account in her thinking. It has been a difficult time getting some of that back. My wife is a good person, good mother, loyal, hard working, does housework, doesn't waste money. I am just pointing out what appeared to me to be a bait and switch, but is probably not contrived to be that. I don't think women are any better than men at recognising where credit is due. They are quite capable of totally taking people for granted, just as men are.
@Marivi247
@Marivi247 Жыл бұрын
It’s strange, in my ex relationship I did admire him so much. I was obsessed with him. He was emotional about me as well and quite possessive. However, I think objectively I was the more attractive one (12 years younger, and a lot of people find me attractive, him not that much physically). He also didn’t have a lot of money. But he was an artist and I liked his character a lot, he was interesting. Anyway, I adored him more than the other way around I think. Unfortunately, he still left me. He didn’t want marriage in general also, a lifelong relationship yes but not a marriage. I think it doesn’t work to be the adored one for men who have attachment issues. Maybe for him, he needs to adore someone and she needs to be a bit unavailable…
@markaurelius61
@markaurelius61 Жыл бұрын
@@Marivi247 Thanks for your story. Yes, I think he had issues with commitment. I didn't. I don't have trauma, I came from an intact family. My wife is the same. Of course, too much admiration from the women could lead the man to think he has better options. There is no one factor that explains everything, but to generalise, far more women file for divorce, and the most common reason is "lack of commitment". I think women generally feel they are settling today. I think their standards have been artificially raised, and they fail to appreciate good men.
@louis5799
@louis5799 Жыл бұрын
@@Marivi247 Why do you think he have attachment issues ? Your comment kinda spoke to me cause i felt the same as the person you described. Why do you think we have attachment issues just because we don't like/need/want mariage ?
@unicron2109
@unicron2109 Жыл бұрын
As clichéd as it sounds, this is why men must work on themselves - they need to become an object of admiration. However, the difficulty with this is that now with women acing education and getting high flying careers it's become harder than ever for men to become something worthy of being adored.
@oemj7147
@oemj7147 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's mathematically impossible for most women now to find men way above their level. That's the reason why the men perceived to be at the top today have the entire female population going after them.
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 Жыл бұрын
Stop collecting Transformers. First step.
@unicron2109
@unicron2109 Жыл бұрын
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 lol your voice is so high it sounds like your cat's squeezing your balls. Oh hang, wait a minute, it is
@ilikepancakes2368
@ilikepancakes2368 Жыл бұрын
This is true.
@amelie-db7gu
@amelie-db7gu Ай бұрын
I don't know, there's a lot more to adore in a man than that. A man with his own mind, integrity, confidence and independence is endlessly sexy and adorable.
@joeyluckow2490
@joeyluckow2490 11 ай бұрын
“How to be the adored when at heart you’re the adorer” would be an amazing video. I struggle with finding the balance between being “too nice” and “too cold”
@bodhisattva2348
@bodhisattva2348 3 ай бұрын
Do u have any qualities that would make a person want to adore u
@idlehourlinda6476
@idlehourlinda6476 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it feels good if a man is in love with us, but it feels incredible to feel deeply, passionately, crazy in love ourselves. That high is truly the state that we're looking for, and if a man can inspire this in us we'll move heaven and earth to sustain the relationship.
@tuphdc8779
@tuphdc8779 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Linda
@idlehourlinda6476
@idlehourlinda6476 Жыл бұрын
@@tuphdc8779 😘
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Women have no concept of honour. They won't stay loyal to you just because they gave their word and gave some invisible oath in their heads. That's a purely male phenomenon. It doesn't compute in their heads. Women's only value is towards their momentary emotions. What you provide them with. And how you make em feel about themselves and look to others for status. If those are on point. If the mystery and boundaries are maintened, she can enthusiastically follow your league. Of course all that if she finds you physically HOT first 😜
@tuphdc8779
@tuphdc8779 Жыл бұрын
@@keylanoslokj1806 go outside
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
@@tuphdc8779 i went and i reported my findings here
@chadesteban1408
@chadesteban1408 Жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. This aligns with my own life experience. Man who is adored can have a relationship with an adoring woman as long as he wishes to. Women who are adored are usually bored, treat the man as less valuable than her, do not fully respect the man, and will either leave or cheat. Latter scenario is a bad deal for the man. Sacrifice of being the adored is worth it. You are bang on, sir.
@mrcoolkicks
@mrcoolkicks 5 ай бұрын
Hard to accept, I think that’s true. How did you come it realize it ?
@John-qt3vt
@John-qt3vt Жыл бұрын
Possibly the best psychology YT channel.
@eladbari
@eladbari Жыл бұрын
And one that introduces "red pill" knowledge to a "blue pill" crowd.
@MilanElan
@MilanElan Жыл бұрын
YT's Alexander Grace is just as great
@John-qt3vt
@John-qt3vt Жыл бұрын
@@MilanElan you are correct!
@gokerveral6713
@gokerveral6713 Жыл бұрын
I knew it already but accepting is the hard part here
@ReubMann
@ReubMann Жыл бұрын
true
@idesel
@idesel Жыл бұрын
😂 It's hard to pull off in practice.
@ker_at6814
@ker_at6814 Жыл бұрын
Since you would be adored what so hard about accepting it?
@gokerveral6713
@gokerveral6713 Жыл бұрын
@@ker_at6814 Are you being cute because today is valentine day or should I think there is something special about you :)
@oemj7147
@oemj7147 Жыл бұрын
@@ker_at6814 Men wrote poetry, music and did heroic things to conquer women, so we assumed that is unnatural to be at the receiving end and have a woman simp for us. However that is the best dynamic in a relationship.
@edward22585
@edward22585 Жыл бұрын
Another reason this dynamic works better (something you've discussed in previous videos): men are innately more dutiful. If the adored is not dutiful, you have a recipe for disaster.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Duty. Honor. Idealism. All male "vices"
@kathleen460
@kathleen460 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by "dutiful"? I'm really curious...just trying to see if my man is or not lol
@steph6109
@steph6109 Жыл бұрын
I agree that the adored must be more dutiful but I would argue that women are the more dutiful if the two. Men can be bound strongly by their lust but that's different to being dutiful. If we look at both genders characteristics outside of romantic relationships I do not think your claim stands
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 Жыл бұрын
@@kathleen460 He is. He gives you safety and comfort, since you are an unsure neurotic that requires anonymous strangers to rate "your" mans value.
@hotlucky5622
@hotlucky5622 Жыл бұрын
@@steph6109 the essence of love is sacrifice. Last I checked men sacrifice much more to be with a woman than the opposite. Don't try to "level" the field. "Typical" relationships are heavily tilted towards women.
@DaGoof120
@DaGoof120 Жыл бұрын
I've had two relationships, one where I was the adorer and one where I was the adored. It definitely felt a lot better to be the one being chased after rather than doing the chasing (during the relationship itself). Nowadays I take pride in being a leader in my life, rather than the follower I used to be while growing up.
@joaquin67
@joaquin67 Жыл бұрын
I also prefer to be adored. Funny that he says most of us prefer to be the adorer, I just feel feminine being the adorer regardless of it feeling good. Just doesn't feel quite as good as being adored though.
@dr.jenniferma3914
@dr.jenniferma3914 Жыл бұрын
@@joaquin67 In my observation, I see men preferring being adored to adoring.
@beechizel8148
@beechizel8148 7 ай бұрын
@@dr.jenniferma3914 Correct, because being adored means we're Respected.
@christopherlarsen7788
@christopherlarsen7788 Жыл бұрын
Profound. This dichotomy appears to suggest that in mate selection, a man is better advised to couple with a woman slightly below the man's status (social, economic, charisma). He thereby surrenders the pursuit of the "super-model sex object" that he would adore. Challenging. Your message resonates well with Aly Drummond's (RealFemSapien) insistence that most women do not get the man they want. Instead, they accept the adored status in a relationship.
@chrishnah
@chrishnah Жыл бұрын
It is so funny that men complain in these comment section complain about hypergamy but actually seem really disappointed to settle for a 7.
@christopherlarsen7788
@christopherlarsen7788 Жыл бұрын
@@chrishnah - Agreed. Men are quick to point out that hypergamy has 80% of the women chasing 2% of the men. Yet, because men are visually attracted/stimulated, 80% of men are chasing 10% of the women. It's not much different.
@chrishnah
@chrishnah Жыл бұрын
@@christopherlarsen7788 I truly believe that with men it does not come down to looks. It's more his competence, it's really attractive when he is meticulous about aspects of his work and he has a capacity to protect. I think if men have those things they are attractive no matter what.
@christopherlarsen7788
@christopherlarsen7788 Жыл бұрын
@@chrishnah - I appreciate your input. Through my personal experiences over many years, women have repeatedly stated that a man's charisma (strength of character + fashion sense) are the single greatest attractions for a woman. But I agree with you that more and more it is becoming apparent that a man's career drive - particularly when mission focused - is a significant factor of a man's attractiveness for women. These attributes of men's attractiveness can be, frankly, chalked up to hypergamy. I don't view the term hypergamy as an inherently damaging phenomenon. When viewed within the broader context of human survival and advancement, hypergamy has remarkable benefits to the human species. Yes, there is a dark side to hypergamy, and it is easy to see examples of women's unethical behavior. But overall, women pursuing men who can "provide and protect" is a healthy thing. Likewise, men pursuing physically attractive women is every bit as healthy for the human species. "Young attractive" women are not only more likely to survive childbearing to become nurturing parents, but they are also more likely to produce healthier children! Nature plus nurture is a win-win outcome. But again, there is a dark side to this phenomenon. Porn industries, Hollywood, product advertising, and social pressures hold a near-monopoly on the definition of attractiveness. These industries leverage attractiveness as a profitable commodity. Men need to take charge, and define attractiveness for their selves. I believe this produces greater satisfaction and happiness for men.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Yeah smart average men been marrying women that see them as their best option since time immemorial. When she is lukewarm about you, it's a hellish ride of a relationship. Women don't wanna date their inferiors for long and they can never respect them and give them their all
@jaythenihilist4689
@jaythenihilist4689 Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely true. The problem is that women only find about 1 in 5 men physically attractive. Also, single and childless women in America make an average of 9k a year more than single and childless men. If you're a good looking man with a good job, then life is great. But if you're an average looking man, with an average job and predictable and average personality, then it's unlikely he will find a woman who adores him. The majority of men will remain single. And the majority of women will have to choose between remaining single or settling for a man that she's not really attracted to.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Yes the problem of hypergamy and women entering the workforce. Now the provider is not hot/needed anymore. And the average man just doesn't stand out
@yomomshouse100
@yomomshouse100 Жыл бұрын
You know whats really unnatractive? A person who doesnt enjoy life. Enjoy your life even when your single, enjoy your work, enjoy food and drink. You cant take that from people. You can have a poor have working man who enjoys life and you can have a instagram 10/10 model whos completely miserable.
@donatello9482
@donatello9482 Жыл бұрын
Lol go to other countries. Of course vet properly but the women out there treat you much better. This country is filled with individualist,capitalism and feminism which fuels narcissism. It is extremely rare to find a quality partner in America. Now also make sure you’re quality so you don’t bring the bad habits learned from this country to other cultures
@js9273
@js9273 Жыл бұрын
@@keylanoslokj1806 The problem is nothing to do with "hypergamy and women entering the workforce", the problem is men being too weak/useless and failing to raise their game accordingly.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
@@js9273 nuh classic victim blaming. That's horse shit.. because a few psychopathic trillionaires and billionaires decided to rule the world through capitalism and now even in countries like Canada, people can't afford groceries, doesn't mean we have to adapt. We have to get rid of our tyrants. You can't breathe in a suffocating chamber. You need to be outside in the open air. If you want to be a hamster in their rat race good for you. It's nothing to brag about. Even if you "win", you lose
@patrickmcmanus1360
@patrickmcmanus1360 Жыл бұрын
I understand the fear men feel that a woman who isn't invested in a relationship can destroy their life, but asking for an "adorer" and a woman looking for that emotional high is really a devil's bargain. Those women are almost always more unstable and have self confidence issues. She will probably get bored eventually since infatuation always runs out. Worst case, she might find her self respect and realize she wasn't that in to you to begin with. That is a rude awakening - the whole thing will fall apart. People looking for "emotional highs" are almost always looking for something outside of themselves to distract from an emptiness inside, and that usually makes its way into the light eventually. Leads to misunderstanding and combustive episodes.
@primaveraverano1664
@primaveraverano1664 Жыл бұрын
Very well articulated 👍👍 I was a couple of times the adorer- woman and I confirm your statement. The more Feminine and knowing my value as a woman I became, the faster I forgot how to chase a man and the sooner I became the adored & chased one. Chasing is a 100% masculine trait
@ataj585
@ataj585 Жыл бұрын
@@primaveraverano1664 so you chased before and you chased after?
@primaveraverano1664
@primaveraverano1664 Жыл бұрын
@@ataj585 I did it a couple of times back in the days) Not more
@hotlucky5622
@hotlucky5622 Жыл бұрын
@@primaveraverano1664 i don't buy that. it just sounds like an elaborate way to say "the guys I want are too unattainable for me and i settled by giving a chance to one of the guys in my friendzone".
@hotlucky5622
@hotlucky5622 Жыл бұрын
all women are unstable and have self-esteem issues. It is just a matter of degree. Also all women are vacuous thrill seekers. It is in the design. Also women never find their self-respect, because they don't have any. what women have is pride and the desire to control outcomes.
@Refillyowill
@Refillyowill Жыл бұрын
I believe that the roles can switch fluidly when they need to. Everyone wants to be adored and to be the adorer also. I think finding someone that can happily trade these two roles with is worth the effort. Lest you find your relationship to be lacking and find yourself asking a lot of questions. Believing something so black and white can be harmful as well. Pro tip, understand yourself first before trying to understand someone else. In other words, know what you want/need and know the difference of wants and needs. I encourage this of both genders. Too many people nowadays don’t know what they even really want and enter a relationship blind and end up hurting the other person because everyone’s idea of something important could be very unimportant to the other party. The key is to understand that it is a relationship. Therefore more than just you are involved and you are choosing to involve another person into your life and space. I have made this mistake and hurt people I cared about and I have also been hurt. Date yourself first before dating someone else and have boundaries and stick to them. Stand on what you say and what you need. The rest will work itself out as long as both parties are willing to work on themselves while also working on your relationship.
@jennajewert
@jennajewert Жыл бұрын
This makes a lot of sense. I always wondered why it's so important for me to "look up" to a man I'm attracted to. I want him to be better than me; more worldly, higher earning, more knowledgeable, etc. It's not sexy if we're equals. I know this isn't a very PC thing to admit but it's how I truly feel. Guess I have a healthy drive to be an adorer!😍
@Dreweybaby
@Dreweybaby Жыл бұрын
Thats how most vvomen feel but not brave enough to say it cuz of how society would view em
@sammyb1651
@sammyb1651 Жыл бұрын
@@Dreweybaby I think it's more than just societal reasons that this goes unacknowledged. At the end of the day, it IS kind of embarrassing. I mean you're basically having to honestly self-reflect and accept that you're asking for more in your partner than you're offering yourself. Yes, it might make for better harmony within a relationship but it also means you're having to humble yourself, and reject all of the self-serving validational nonsense that panders to vvomen. I think you underestimate how much vvomen want to live in a fantasy land OUTSIDE of relationships. It's every bit as strong as how much they want to live in a fantasy world inside of them. At the end of the day, they want to believe the popular narrative whereby they're constantly applauded and hyped for doing nothing. They're hugely ego invested in that. That becomes untenable if you've basically accepted you're the 'lesser' contributor to a relationship however.
@Dreweybaby
@Dreweybaby Жыл бұрын
@@sammyb1651 i can understand the embarrassing aspect.. thats tru 🤣💀🤣
@MsIvyLeigh
@MsIvyLeigh Жыл бұрын
100% Agree. I've always been attracted to older men for all the reasons you listed but never understood why psychologically until this video. Though it's been my experience in serious relationships that the adorer and adored roles switched depending on the situations we went through together in life.
@onee
@onee Жыл бұрын
You're right. It's quite rare to see a woman marry a guy that's shorter than him, earns less than him etc. So, in a sense equality might be good for society, but it isn't for relationships. lol
@edward22585
@edward22585 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Really like the adored/adorer breakdown, but it's getting harder for this balance to exist in the current environment with the tendency towards casual sex and polygamy. Mens' hookup standards are lower than their relationship standards, so men who women view as 9s and 10s are casually hooking up with (but not committing to) women that are closer to 8s, 7s, and even 6s. These women then conflate their hookup value with their relationship value (a 7 sees herself as a 9, or at least thinks she deserves a 9). In the past, a woman that was a 6 or 7 could adore a 7 or 8. Now, she has so much sexual experience with upper tier men, it would take a 9 or 10 to inspire adoration.
@maxjohnson1758
@maxjohnson1758 Жыл бұрын
Well said, sir. Oh, in one study women view 80% of men to be average or below average in looks, while the amount of men they considered to be a "10" was precisely zero. 🙄 That means they really do think they deserve a guy who actually is a 9 or 10, which is less than 5% of males. Interestingly, the same study found that 94% of women rate their selves as being above average. Hard to believe, really, but it explains much.
@JoseDiaz-rd9fh
@JoseDiaz-rd9fh Жыл бұрын
@@maxjohnson1758 men's standards have been forcibly lowered if anything just to get the Access. in my experience and observation there is little to no value in commitment to a woman long-term due to societal expectations on men being higher than ever while basically giving women a pass on any real accountability. The longer you stay in relationship the less return you get on it and often disrespect of all kinds increases exponentially as well. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of culture to keep women virtuous wholesome and decent. This is really where a society either rises or falls
@anisenkrill6179
@anisenkrill6179 Жыл бұрын
Boom. In a nutshell. Very well put.
@onee
@onee Жыл бұрын
​@@maxjohnson1758 Isn't it funny that those exact same women then complain about "What happened to all the good men?" Those "good men" often are already married with kids. So, they aren't interested in you anymore. Or the alternative are guys who have sworn off women. Who again aren't interested in you anymore. So, she might be aiming for that 5%, while in reality there is probably less than 1% who actually are still available for a relationship with her.
@lexzenis2544
@lexzenis2544 Жыл бұрын
@@onee all the "good" men are found in womens " friend-zones"
@brazidas58
@brazidas58 Жыл бұрын
I am 65 and when I was 23 I married a woman that I adored, BIG MISTAKE. It was a terrible marriage. 20 years after my divorce I found out she has settled . She had liked another man better than me. Bad bad divorced , boy did she hate my guts. So I think what you say it's true. Thanks for the clear explanation.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Well it's not just their power hunger and hybristophilia. Maybe the specific woman was extra pathological due to rough parenting etc. So she wanted only partners who confirmed her preconceived self image
@brazidas58
@brazidas58 Жыл бұрын
@@keylanoslokj1806 Well I did try for 5 years to have as go to marriage counselling but she would not have it. The big problem for men at least is that the way the family law is structured , there is no consequence for women behaving badly.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
@@brazidas58 yes that's why i avoid marriage
@brazidas58
@brazidas58 Жыл бұрын
@@keylanoslokj1806 once bitten twice shy :)
@Robinson8491
@Robinson8491 Жыл бұрын
I also tried to keep someone that actually liked someone else. It was a painful situation for me that I would never allow again
@marriagecausesdivorce7540
@marriagecausesdivorce7540 Жыл бұрын
I hope one of the big red pill channels picks up on your work/channel. Your channel is dropping so many facts but from a PhD psych perspective. I have been through a marriage and divorce, and I 100% agree that if the wives get bored the relationship is dead as she is no longer feeling anything. I also 100% agree that the wife should be the adorer but this is hard to achieve in reality because men have been brainwashed into the adorer role by Hollywood, TV, media, etc. Also, to be the adored, you can't be lazy, you need to be someone worth adoring. Men should really put more effort into being adored (rather than adoring). Your work could actually save so many marriages.
@Ren_Mari
@Ren_Mari Жыл бұрын
I think a good relationship should be a balance of being the adored and being the adorer. If it's always one person being the adored and the other being the adorer, the imbalance will eventually collapse the relationship. I don't believe though that if I am the adorer and my partner is the adored my love for them is more than their love for me, his love is coming from a different place as is mine. If he loved me less when I am being the adorer I would not want to be the adorer for fear of losing his love.
@themick6586
@themick6586 Жыл бұрын
My wife has been the adoring me for 45 years, I made it my duty, to meet her expectations, I make the big decisions, she makes the small ones, it has worked very well for us
@anneshirley9560
@anneshirley9560 10 ай бұрын
It will. I'm the person who adores, but my husband does not adore me at all. After I gave birth he said he wanted a divorce…. So yeah. The husband has to adore you as well. I really admired him, was attracted to him and respected him, but I found out the hard way that he didn't feel the same.
@AuthoritativeChadWarrior
@AuthoritativeChadWarrior 9 ай бұрын
​@@anneshirley9560but how
@bingaling22
@bingaling22 8 ай бұрын
@@anneshirley9560 i am so so sorry to hear that hun. when gd closes the door to a person who you might be putting at the centre of your world, that person is always removed from your life until you learn to centre your world around god. i ahv seen this with a a lot of people. Did he ateleast give a reason for the divorce?
@CrimsonLibra_20
@CrimsonLibra_20 7 ай бұрын
Ren_Mari, spot on 👍
@andrewosbaldeston3893
@andrewosbaldeston3893 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been on all sides of this. I never liked being adored because it makes you feel like you owe the person something and they may feel that way too. However, adoring someone else is more safe and comfortable. It’s like a reason to live and gives you a lust for life to be in the presence of someone you adore. I would say relationships seem to lack the most love and sexual passion without a man being adored. Men and women need adoration in different ways for different reasons. Balance is the best period.
@donnadonna8956
@donnadonna8956 10 ай бұрын
I am a woman who always been the adorer. A nightmare. I married the man who adores me and this is the best decision I have ever made.
@thelocalartisanguide7937
@thelocalartisanguide7937 9 ай бұрын
That is my mom's advice too.
@iwriteseoarticlesin12hours25
@iwriteseoarticlesin12hours25 9 ай бұрын
Found the outlier.
@mariahjordan5232
@mariahjordan5232 9 ай бұрын
Same here girl I’m am with an alpha male who is the adorer in our relationship. Being the adorer male doesn’t make you feminine. Men who expect you to fawn all over them and treat them as the prize of the relationship is FEMININE. By definition you want to be the female in the relationship. Huh no wonder no woman want you guys 🤔
@mariahjordan5232
@mariahjordan5232 9 ай бұрын
And as a good woman I’d never risk losing my good man and because he adores me I trust he has control. I can give him that space and trust.
@Blissedx
@Blissedx 9 ай бұрын
Same girl, same.
@hapogae0017
@hapogae0017 Жыл бұрын
A woman likes to know she is helping her man in some way. When he shows her shes.appreciated, that is like him adoring her. Women like to be adored too. Both men and women can appreciate/adore eachother at the same time. Adoration keeps a woman, as long as there are no other siginicant "negatives" (e.g him being abusive, unhygenic, etc) in the way.
@MVProfits
@MVProfits Жыл бұрын
In all my long lasting relationships, the women adored me... except at the end of course. And the last two, it did switch once I loved them back too. Then they gradually lost attraction for me, and NOW all my bad traits came to be too much, all the bad stuff (and I sure did some early on) became unbearable to them - yet they could easily overcome that in the "adoring" phase. Which is crazy to me: we men tend to take much much longer to love, but when we do, it's strong and real, yet instead of making it a stronger relationship, it tends to be the start of the end! I'm starting to think that in the past, relationships lasted only because of social pressure.
@elchucapablas
@elchucapablas Жыл бұрын
Yes I’ve experienced this too. I would like to know how to avoid this problem
@onee
@onee Жыл бұрын
Nah, it's because there are three stages of love. In the first stage you find each other attractive. That's when you start dating and are getting to know each other. In the second stage you idealize each other, and start to accept some stuff you actually might dislike. Like if you never take out the trash and that bothers her, she will be more tolerant of your behavior in this phase. And in the last stage you accept them for who they are. If you can't, that's when the relationship ends. That's when you not taking out the trash for example starts to bother her. Because then she realizes that you'll never change. That's when the "bad stuff" becomes unbearable to them. While it was bearable in the second stage, when they were idealizing you as someone you are not. This is also why women like bad boys so much. They think they can change him. They can't. And miserably fail at that. And that leads to them breaking up. But it's fun for them while it lasts. Or if they succeed, they get bored with him. I also think that it often has to do with how mature a woman is. If she's still chasing bad boys, it feels like she hasn't outgrown her teenage phase. I wouldn't want someone like that to be the mother of my children.
@paccawacca4069
@paccawacca4069 Жыл бұрын
@@elchucapablas Simply never prioritize. You should be her priority. You're goals should be your priority. Simply make her second, and she will like you more.
@elchucapablas
@elchucapablas Жыл бұрын
@odin gave his eye to acquire knowledge I think I agree with you. It’s a balancing act and it seems the grind never stops even after you got her I do like the idea of spoiling her every once in a while
@tedoymisojos
@tedoymisojos Жыл бұрын
Is not that simple.
@blackfishgaming7145
@blackfishgaming7145 Жыл бұрын
I adore out of neediness. It’s selfish and it sabotages my relationships. I understand the “sacrifice” frame but really, it doesn’t really fit in my situation. I just need to focus on my own happiness. I really appreciated this video.
@lightwarrior7856
@lightwarrior7856 Жыл бұрын
Just because someone looks up to me (for whatever personal reasons/values they have) does not preclude me from looking up to them in return for whatever personal reasons and values that I have. Mutual admiration may be rare. I am very grateful to have a partner that cherishes me just as wholly as I cherish them. We bring very different assets to the relationship. Luckily, we share the same values, thus creating a sturdy foundation.
@lightwarrior7856
@lightwarrior7856 Жыл бұрын
I find this concept of either being the admirer or the admired a bit like believing that in a conflict: someone is right and the other is wrong. At the beginning of our relationship, we found ourselves in many random disagreements. Upon delving into them and doing a bit of research, we frequently found ourselves coming to the same conclusion: we were both right, about different aspects. I am so grateful for this pattern appearing in our life. I believe it broadened our perspective and helped us see the importance of humility and curiosity. If you see things different than I, I should very much like to better understand where you are coming from, even if only so that I may attain a greater understanding myself, regardless of who is "right" or "more right."
@jennywight9119
@jennywight9119 Жыл бұрын
This is so true! I’ve been married to my husband for 33 years and he has adored me for all of those years. I would much rather adore him, I don’t like how it feels to be fawned over all the time
@mrcoolkicks
@mrcoolkicks Жыл бұрын
That’s deep and very honest, I appreciate it Jenny.
@Angelica._.officalll
@Angelica._.officalll Жыл бұрын
@Jenny Wight You'd miss it if you lost it. Trust me! You've gone nose blind to something good. Next time he adores you, simply adore him back on the spot so he knows you appreciate him. This video has some good insights, but I think it's based on a mostly modern flawed foundation: Emotional experience is the key to marriages. For me Emotional Experience is the dessert. The main course is to truly love the person for the person, and not JUST the EMOTIONAL experience YOU get from it. When you can do that, then you know what love is.
@eddieearp9795
@eddieearp9795 10 ай бұрын
The man could absolutely adore the woman all day back in the day. That’s what it was all about. The woman and the man adored each other and respected each other. Times have changed. The woman is absolutely taught they don’t need the man. Marriage was respected. People actually stayed together. The clothes woman wear today are so revealing that they honestly never leave the market. That really is nature. You can say what you want I really do feel God and the true belief of being committed to one person is gone. The internet gives woman so much more attention and power. They never really care to be completely committed being adored or the adorer. Times have changed. That’s what this video doesn’t really understand.
@queenj.8i895
@queenj.8i895 Жыл бұрын
I think both ppl should play both parts. You both can be both. Sometimes at the same time, sometimes switching…Relationships get boring when everyone stays the same. Blessings! 💎
@gustavosoto4607
@gustavosoto4607 11 ай бұрын
naive. The entire 50/50 argument doesn't work in reality, but sounds great, fair and cute on paper.
@buckydewit
@buckydewit 11 ай бұрын
You sir have the most sensible information regarding men and women relationships . I have watched a lot of your videos I am subscribed to your Channel. Most are really tough and hard to swallow but they are truthful and that sometimes hurts. This one in particular is a gold nugget for me. I wish I had discovered you before I got my heart broken . I am a 59 y old man living in a foreign country to yours and EVERYTHING you say makes sense. Trying to find a good woman and keep her for the long run. Your education material will certainly help with my desire. Keep on bringing your knowledge, I am sure you are making a difference in a lot of people's lives. Thank you again! God bless
@mastrbastrd
@mastrbastrd Жыл бұрын
I didn't get the message until you said "my dude." But in all seriousness, this is life-changing knowledge more people should know. They say, marry the person that loves you over the person you love.
@guillervz
@guillervz Жыл бұрын
This guy is totally right. Believe me, guys, just try. Don't chase any woman for at least two months. Just focus on your career, your studies, your work. Get better at it. Work out, read, listen to music. Be nice to the people around you. Help a friend. Try to dress well, get a haircut. Make a plan for your vacations. Set yourself some minor goals, it doesn't have to be anything fancy. You don't need to be rich. Women can smell that independence, I really don't know how, but they just know you are not needy and they love that. They start feeling a genuine interest in you, writing you messages first, asking how you are doing, etc. Which is good, because you have so many things to talk about, since there's so much going on in your life. Believe me, it works like a charm.
@js9273
@js9273 Жыл бұрын
Excellent advice.
@chrisjames2766
@chrisjames2766 Жыл бұрын
Damn, this is gold. I'd be curious to hear how you might include attachment theory in to your perspectives. On a first pass generality I would imagine that an avoidant leaning attacher will always end up in the adored role, as anxious leaning folks will be most at home as the adorer, fearful-avoidant/disorganized folks will swing back and forth in response to the other, and secure people won't be interested in playing any of these games.
@healthiswealth6237
@healthiswealth6237 Жыл бұрын
A simple way to put it is that women Date UP, and men Date DOWN. When things don't go this way, the relationship doesn't last, or the woman is always looking for a better man. When she finds him, she's GONE. Women want their superior, a man who is taller, stronger, funnier, smarter, wealthier, higher status, etc.
@user-wj6dt5bq3w
@user-wj6dt5bq3w 2 ай бұрын
Yes. A lot of men aren't even aware that they aren't UP from the woman they are pursuing or they don't think this aspect matters. Add to this that men often don't know what they look like, tending to think they are better looking than they are and you'll have many rejected men who keep chasing women who aren't attracted to them.
@SA-vz7qi
@SA-vz7qi Жыл бұрын
Excellent point. You really notice this if (as a man) you start off as the adored but gradually feel you are making too little effort and try and redress the balance. You rapidly see the attraction too you drop. If you just remain comfortable in the status of her being the adorer the relationship is much smoother. But it is something that xsn feel like you are being unreasonable by doing.
@hotlucky5622
@hotlucky5622 Жыл бұрын
We have a tendemcy to reciprocate. It's in our nature to be more "reasonable". The issue is that women are not bound by the same inclinations of principle as us.
@SA-vz7qi
@SA-vz7qi Жыл бұрын
@ hot & lucky So many people mess themselves up thinking men and women are the same and not keeping in mind the differences.
@YouYou-sm8tf
@YouYou-sm8tf Жыл бұрын
​@@hotlucky5622 I think if the man is high value, she won’t have a problem to be "adorer" but if he is lacking....the admiration fade quickly.
@sparshrastogi2646
@sparshrastogi2646 9 ай бұрын
I was in this exact situation. I dated a woman who was really into me but then I felt like I could do better and was not investing in the relationship as much as I should. I ended it saying she deserved someone who matched her energy. We didn’t align on core values so life would’ve been difficult with her.
@josephinesyoutubechannel1770
@josephinesyoutubechannel1770 Жыл бұрын
As a woman, I agree with this video. On the other hand, it also feels like a lose/lose situation. One partner is settling and the other partner never feels 100% secure. I don’t know what the solution is.
@js9273
@js9273 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's meant to be that extreme.
@idesel
@idesel Жыл бұрын
The dynamics of a relationship where the man is the adorer are generally bad. The woman wants to feel like she got the best deal possible, if instead the man feels that way then the woman will always feel like she could have done better. Even if you really like the woman as a man, you shouldn't make it too obvious to avoid this.
@JoseDiaz-rd9fh
@JoseDiaz-rd9fh Жыл бұрын
Yeah usually happens to guys with oneitis. Very unhealthy to make your whole life about one person for either males or females. Especially if the way you see them is still only a projection of who you think they are and not reality. One of those things that's easier to say and hard to do I acknowledge but no less true regardless
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
Sadly the most effective tactic is to date women who like you more than you like them. That's how you get something kinda fulfilling and positive from the relationship as a man.
@nappyfries
@nappyfries Жыл бұрын
I always felt smothered when I was adored & even then the relationship wasn’t good.
@pugilist102
@pugilist102 8 ай бұрын
My philosophy is to be captain of my ship. She can be my first mate, join my life journey, never co captain. If she doesn't want to come along for the ride, drop her off.
@polychromia
@polychromia 5 ай бұрын
@@pugilist102 Of course, don't maroon her unless she deserves it due to egregious behavior like cheating, but yeah, leave her at the next convenient port of call.
@byJonKoffee
@byJonKoffee Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent breakdown! From the RP community this would be "Men lead, Women follow" dynamic. Males who fall into the fawning/simping/fan dynamic would be the adorers, if I understand your take correctly. I hope this finds those less favorable of the RP community so they may come to understand RP, even if they still disagree.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
That's how it was designed
@anisenkrill6179
@anisenkrill6179 Жыл бұрын
The RP does not teach you to hate women. It teaches you to not hate women for what they cannot be to you- Rollo.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
@@anisenkrill6179 you either love women or understand them. Their nature is too wicked to allow for both
@onee
@onee Жыл бұрын
What is RP?
@anisenkrill6179
@anisenkrill6179 Жыл бұрын
@@onee Red Pill. In it's original context relating to intersexual dynamics.
@Tespri
@Tespri Жыл бұрын
This is something I learned hardway. However I only realized it after I gained loads of skills and talent which made women adore me. It's world of difference in relationship and quality of it when woman adores her partner.
@MsCankersore
@MsCankersore Жыл бұрын
Had to stop it at “which robs off of the lions share of..” that hit hard. So damn true
@dimaanojam
@dimaanojam 10 ай бұрын
♥️ This is one of the key requirements in a relationship! Can we have a PART 2 with specific EXAMPLES, ROLEPLAYS & SCENARIOS for different relationship settings: first dates, long term, casual hook-ups? e.g. It is Bob & Mary's first date. Bob gives Mary flowers and chocolates. He opens the door for her like the gentleman that he is. He doesn't know which diner to eat in so he defers to Mary. The date doesn't go well and Bob is left dumbfounded. After watching Dr. Taraban's videos, Bob realizes that he was putting Mary in a pedestal which robs Mary of the emotional experience. How should Bob ACT DIFFERENTLY without appearing TOO ALOOF & INDIFFERENT?
@dimaanojam
@dimaanojam 10 ай бұрын
Context: I tried implementing the Adored and Adorer concept in my relationships & I have been getting responses that the girl feels as if she is putting too much in and she feels that I am not reciprocating the amount she puts in.
@SimpleLifeSpoof
@SimpleLifeSpoof Жыл бұрын
Your approaches are very unique and very interesting. Thought provoking. Great job please keep it up 👍
@alexforce9
@alexforce9 Жыл бұрын
Its not even a theory - just ask any man on dating app what kind of women find him attractive vs the kind of women he finds attractive. The ones that like you are always 1,2 points lower on the sexual market place than you. If you want to date 7s you must be an 8 and above. And its not just looks ofc.
@oemj7147
@oemj7147 Жыл бұрын
Accurate.
@keylanoslokj1806
@keylanoslokj1806 Жыл бұрын
FACTS. I was a 6-7 but only liked women 7+. Big disaster since my actual audience was always 3-6.
@onee
@onee Жыл бұрын
Dating apps primarily focus on looks to begin with. Especially apps like Tinder are PURELY based on looks. Seriously no one bothers to read those bios. Unless maybe it's a match.
@alexforce9
@alexforce9 Жыл бұрын
@@onee Women read the bios. Men who are with higher education/better job/tall are rated higher and get more mathes.
@bloodcarnage8285
@bloodcarnage8285 Жыл бұрын
but they rarely marry .. when marrying , its reversed and guys family look for best bride. which is why guys bail now a days when marrying. dating is for smashing and mainly supply and demand. since women is shamed for number of partners, they have to choose wisely?
@Nottoification
@Nottoification Жыл бұрын
This sounded depressing as hell. Why can’t we swap the roles? I would adore my wife at small moments when she evokes it in me and she does the same at her own leisure. Both parties have to have the self-esteem to not accept a relationship in which they don’t adore AND aren’t adored every once in a while.
@denzelwashington3596
@denzelwashington3596 11 ай бұрын
There are no absolutes you will play both roles but as a man you got to be the adored most of the time
@nanodrone93
@nanodrone93 Жыл бұрын
I think there's some truth here. I'm 30 and I've been both adored and the adorer. The woman I adored, after some time I understood she was the wrong woman. Because I was unable to see her defects, I put her on a pedestal and made her the perfection rather than acknowledging her minuses. It was a crazy good relationship after all but it came to an end. Today I know I can get her back but for some reason I'm not willing to do so. Then for a year I've met with another woman, once a week, in the format of friends with benefits, just to enjoy the time together. But it was like a relationship altough I declared that I wasn't ready for one then. We were exclusive. She was fun and adored me. I left her. But I can't forget that feeling I had with her, that felt real, empowering but at the same time down to earth. Honestly I'm a bit nostalgic of her. That's when I understood how it's like to be with a well functioning woman. Now I believe that being the adorer for men isn't good, it's like smoke in the eyes, it's like being drunk, one can take dangerous decisions in that situation. And one can fill his head with bullshit that will take years to acknowledge and get rid of. Men must have control of the situation and they should refrain from flying too high.
@mircea-mariusmesesan1319
@mircea-mariusmesesan1319 Жыл бұрын
good comment Den. respect.
@prathamesh4293
@prathamesh4293 Жыл бұрын
This channel gonna blow up big time
@yummygummy2133
@yummygummy2133 Жыл бұрын
Wow, absolutely GLAD I found this channel, you're so well articulated on these matters and make it so easy to digest, will gladly binge your content!
@lilbroomstick7914
@lilbroomstick7914 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to psychacks, better living through psychology. Or my fav upcoming channel
@TrapPhoneLoveMelodiesss
@TrapPhoneLoveMelodiesss Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best and simplest descriptions I’ve seen on this topic. My ex ADORED me and I liked her pretty good. I remember saying to myself, damn I wish I could feel that way about somebody… 😂😂😂 Thanks for sharing this my dude! 💯💯💯
@JustSaying-tk4wn
@JustSaying-tk4wn 6 ай бұрын
This is interesting because I often thought about this myself. Woman here. I often thought about how relationships may be failing because there isn't any balance. We have men who are literally begging at the woman's feet, answering to all her demands, considering her feelings and providing a lifesytle(that is money/house) without little effort on the woman's part(this is not all realtionships but generally speaking). Because the man is putting in so much effort it almost proves to me why women in the past often had to put in a lot of effort to keep the relationship going because men were always willing to give because of their natural adoration for women and women had to give something also so the man wouldn't be constantly running after her to keep her satisfied which drains him. I am not completely sure about this idea but I do know there isn't equilibrium in relationships today.
@javiersds8081
@javiersds8081 Жыл бұрын
Up until very recently, I dated a woman who was older than me, higher earning and beautiful; I was obviously the adorer. Once she got bored of me, she dumped me without even saying good bye. Lesson learned. Thank you for the video.
@konsyansnou8623
@konsyansnou8623 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this video. It kinda confirm my current situation is a good situation, even tho a bit unusual and somewhat new, but I still love it. I've tried both sides and there's litterally a different and nurturing dynamic when the lady is the adorer as opposed to the adored. And often when I was the adorer it would turn that I would be with women that are either emotionally unavailable or not as emotionally invested as I was. When the lady she's in a place of adorer, this is when the magic begins and where she can and will do wonders; not only do wonders but when giving back to she will appreciate and be already in a good place to receive as well.
@Gmyaa
@Gmyaa Жыл бұрын
as a woman being the adorer is fun for a while, but after that it is draining…the feeling when you’re both crazy abt each other is perfect tho
@Luzgoishzre
@Luzgoishzre Жыл бұрын
This dude is just talking bs
@arkazoo4769
@arkazoo4769 Жыл бұрын
I think it evenly applies to both sexes
@Gintoki_Madao
@Gintoki_Madao Жыл бұрын
But as a woman, you generally give bad relationship advice
@AnRodz
@AnRodz Жыл бұрын
"being both crazy" is something the adorer feels
@quynhvu2381
@quynhvu2381 Жыл бұрын
Glad you said draining after a while. I actually like to be adored because he does everything for me
@user-mw4kg8cx8t
@user-mw4kg8cx8t Жыл бұрын
I've been studying intergender dynamics as a renegade for almost a decade now, started as a young buck trying to understand exactly where my success and failures in dating and relationships are, down to a measurable level. I love your content so far. I'm a couple videos in and you're spot on.
@marriagecausesdivorce7540
@marriagecausesdivorce7540 Жыл бұрын
I am about 3 videos in and I can tell you as a divorced guy that this PhD is dropping a lot of facts. The thing about wives being bored and the thing about men needing to work hard/sacrifice and put themselves in the adored position are 100% true. He has also done some excellent videos on why it is terrible financial advice to invest all your money in 1 risky stock/wife and relationships are the prize for men but relationships are just a means to an end for women (they really want kids, resources, properties, luxury lifestyle, etc).
@marsultortheavenger409
@marsultortheavenger409 Жыл бұрын
@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 what you are overlooking is the fact that due to social media, access to education and work women will only be able to "adore" small percentage of men which is happening right now and is the main reason why society is falling apart.
@marriagecausesdivorce7540
@marriagecausesdivorce7540 Жыл бұрын
@@marsultortheavenger409 I don't think I overlooked that point. I did write "why it is terrible financial advice to invest all your money in 1 risky stock/wife ". It is a terrible idea to invest all your money into 1 risky stock/wife partly because she is probably "settling" when she chooses you as there are so few high value men to go around. Even billionaires (Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk) and millionaire Chads (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt and Tom Brady) are not high value enough to be adored and keep their wives happy.
@Thisisntevenyourchannel
@Thisisntevenyourchannel Жыл бұрын
I was the adorer and it was obvious. It doesn’t feel good to love someone that feels two notches above indifference towards you. Does horrors to your self esteem and inevitably I got left for someone he adored. Now I’m getting adored and adoring and I’ve never been happier. I love him so much.
@adamman8874
@adamman8874 11 ай бұрын
I'm willing to bet the other woman left him, eventually. He left you thinking things would work out with her because he adored her. And like the doc says, it's better when the man is the adored, not the adorer. Anyway, kudos 👏 to you.
@Thisisntevenyourchannel
@Thisisntevenyourchannel 11 ай бұрын
@@adamman8874 well with my ex, the man was the adored and I was the adorer, and I got left so how is that situation more favorable than two people that adore each other
@CrimsonLibra_20
@CrimsonLibra_20 7 ай бұрын
Adam, a balance is best. My gf and I are equal adorers and we get our duties done too. Thank God for our balance.
@stephencaron3047
@stephencaron3047 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I have learned this lesson but it took me years, I hope your message gets to the younger generation, I like the way you sum it up in a few minutes, not sure if I could have summed it up in an hour
@marriagecausesdivorce7540
@marriagecausesdivorce7540 Жыл бұрын
I have gone through a very bad divorce (lost 70% of all my money and assets) but it is only really after watching this guy's videos are things actually making sense, e.g. men need to work hard/sacrifice to put themselves in the adored position, make sure your wife is not bored as you are robbing her of her emotional needs, relationships are a means to an end for women (e.g. they really want kids, resources, properties, lifestyle for IG, etc), do not invest all your money into 1 risky stock/wife, etc. This guys videos are actually amazingly accurate.
@rubysworld7640
@rubysworld7640 Жыл бұрын
This was super insightful... I'm kinda getting emotional and I always do so I love being the adorer. I literally felt the wheels turning like "ohhh... I'm doing it wrong" and I have images in my mind of times I drove women away BY being the adorer. I'll have to try this out tomorrow.
@azmomconnection
@azmomconnection Жыл бұрын
Did you try it?
@waydeclarke5349
@waydeclarke5349 Жыл бұрын
Solid stuff doc, thank you for explaining your theory: balance of attraction, I think this is imperative for men to understand so we can make better decisions in our relationships. Understanding the dynamics at play in these situations enable us to have better experiences if we apply them correctly. I would like to thank you for sharing your obvious love and passion for psychology with the world 🙏🏽
@Nigel_Cook
@Nigel_Cook Жыл бұрын
This was an eye-opening video, Orion. Really unique way of presenting the topic. I've never heard anything using terms like "adorer" and "adored" before when talking about relationship dynamics. I agree... Much better for both people in the relationship if the woman is the adorer. Keep the good presentations coming!
@thelogicalmoor8219
@thelogicalmoor8219 Жыл бұрын
I always say that a woman must love a man more than he loves her for the relationship to be healthy.
@steph6109
@steph6109 Жыл бұрын
The only time a man needs that is if he's planning on tagging along more than one woman which is good for him but very unhealthy for the community. Only a selfish person would suggest this
@thelogicalmoor8219
@thelogicalmoor8219 Жыл бұрын
@@steph6109 I practice polygyny and I'm responsible for more people than the average man or woman. Not sure how selfish comes into the picture... I'm not "tagging" along anyone. Also how is a man being responsible for more than one woman unhealthy for the community 🤔 Stop assuming.
@jaijai5250
@jaijai5250 Жыл бұрын
@@thelogicalmoor8219 it’s interesting that she was able to identify the polygamous aspect of your lifestyle, through your original post: which was a short sentence.
@nappyfries
@nappyfries Жыл бұрын
I keep hearing the opposite for it to work. A man loving a woman more.
@thelogicalmoor8219
@thelogicalmoor8219 Жыл бұрын
@@jaijai5250 my profile photo has a man with 2 wives, that's where she got it from.
@aenigmatica8
@aenigmatica8 Жыл бұрын
In all of the old happy couples I know, the man adores the woman and she enjoys his adoration. Maybe some women just won’t appreciate it.
@millenka8089
@millenka8089 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been an adorer many times in my life and it has always let to heartbreak. I also tend to act irrational when the adored ignores me or doesn’t return the feelings. So I’ve come to the point that if a man doesn’t act like he likes me more than I like him I will not try with that person. Being the adorer leads me to give away my power to that person and that’s just something I’m not willing to do anymore. In my opinion, I want admiration from a man I have a lot of respect for. For me that’s a big turn on.
@CrimsonLibra_20
@CrimsonLibra_20 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like you found a balance. Hope the man in your life adores you and is responsible in his ways as much as you are. Way to go !
@beechizel8148
@beechizel8148 7 ай бұрын
and in there lies the paradox. If he adores you too much you'll lose that respect for him as he continues to look up to you more and more. I hope you get someone who can find the balance.
@fiveleavesleft6521
@fiveleavesleft6521 Жыл бұрын
Whilst this is all true, the main problem for guys I think is that if you don't adore the girl you're with it's barely worth jumping through the hoops required to start and maintain a relationship. Men are still expected ask out, plan a date/travel etc, pay, offer entertainment and flattering words etc. If you're meh about the girl it just isn't worth the hassle....but if you adore her the relationship is probably doomed.
@angelika87
@angelika87 Жыл бұрын
you won't have to do all that if a girl is already into you...she will prove herself
@angelika87
@angelika87 Жыл бұрын
the man Im with now...didnt do any of that crap. we went dutch in the beginning. he came to like me a lot over time and now doesn't mind spoiling me but I Earned It
@aleewoolley
@aleewoolley 11 ай бұрын
This makes a lot of sense. I think women also want to feel adored and cherished, but it’s good in the balance if she is the *more* adoring partner vs the “only” one). I’ve been with men who I completely adored and treated me like shit, and this doesn’t work either.
@rinishan
@rinishan 8 ай бұрын
I've also definitely left relationships for not being valued and adored enough. I think there is a balance you need to have. No one wants to be overly adored and smothered, but also not made to feel like they don't matter to their partner.
@a.d.b535
@a.d.b535 Жыл бұрын
Always so counterintuitive. I love it!
@inso5078
@inso5078 Жыл бұрын
I've just found your channel and that's what I've been looking for a long time. A more calm and scientific approach to intersexual dynamics.
@patrickmcmanus1360
@patrickmcmanus1360 Жыл бұрын
As a woman, I find that women who tend to be "adorers" are usually much more unstable, unpredictable and less grounded. If anything, those women are going to be "low quality". It's an unnatural state for a woman. Women have a lot more to lose from relationships and child bearing/ rearing. Looking for men she adores rather than who adore her is almost always a sign she isn't level headed enough to plan for the future responsibly. It's a common theme in younger women's interactions with the opposite sex. Grown women who are grounded and responsible (including myself) will look for amongst the top traits in her spouse, a man who she feels is devoted enough he will invest solidly in her. They often lack self respect and are looking for a man who will give her attention and validation. Men can read this on these women, which is why women who are adorers almost always choose predatory men. Men in general, are more predatory and less responsible - they have fewer consequences for their bad life choices than women do. If you give him the upper hand many a man will take it because it's just easier for him that way.
@oxid71
@oxid71 Жыл бұрын
-"As a woman" -"Patrick McManus" Choose one
@patrickmcmanus1360
@patrickmcmanus1360 Жыл бұрын
@@oxid71 So your legal name is “LissKet01”. This makes so much more sense now. Thank you.
@finalyfreeworld
@finalyfreeworld Жыл бұрын
Love this channel Doc! You cut straight to the core of these topics! Simple yet brilliant!
@OrdinaryFilmmaker
@OrdinaryFilmmaker Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this insight. Things make more sense now. :) But what I find interesting from an adorer, there's a fear they aren't loved enough.
@idolbass
@idolbass Ай бұрын
My lady brings me flowers every week. It's true, and it's hard to hold back and not adore equally. I let her adore me because that's what she loves to do.
@bobdavis7290
@bobdavis7290 Жыл бұрын
100% correct. Hypergamy is real. It's also consistent with biology. If women occupy a relative "higher value," however value is defined, the woman will become indifferent and believe she can do better, which means she's looking around for an opportunity to Trade Up. Happens all the time. Great video.
@supremereader7614
@supremereader7614 Жыл бұрын
Many of your videos are so helpful and interesting. Thank you for providing them.
@PeopleVoicesForObama
@PeopleVoicesForObama Жыл бұрын
This is deep and entire correct Doc. I didn't learn about this until I am in my 50s. Wish I had known this earlier.
@Florida_Joe27
@Florida_Joe27 Жыл бұрын
Another EXCELLENT video! 🎯🎯🎯
@Neoteny374
@Neoteny374 Жыл бұрын
I'm the adored in our relationship and often feel the weight of that responsibility. Thanks making me realize it's not necessarily self centredness that at the root.
@andrewflorkowski4338
@andrewflorkowski4338 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant 🌻 Don't stop Thought about this to. Just... Who is the most commited. If the woman is most commited.. The man my have a better chance for it to have longevity,the relationship. Only if he cares .. Love your work x
@patrickcarroll3818
@patrickcarroll3818 Жыл бұрын
The most insightful, concise, and meaningful explanation of romantic relationships ever. Brilliant work Orion
@mrdouche9172
@mrdouche9172 Жыл бұрын
On one hand, you make a good point. On the other hand, a man will never put a lot of effort into a girl he doesn't adore, that's just a fact. It will only go downhill from there. Either he'll start cheating or he'll simply leave her. If she's ok with him porking other women, then maybe it'll work out, I don't know.
@kerrykingcreates
@kerrykingcreates Жыл бұрын
This explains so much. It’s rewiring my brain. I get it now. I never liked being liked “too much” - it repelled me. Not any longer.
@stellbanne
@stellbanne 11 ай бұрын
I agree with this message. As a woman. I like to be the adorer. I had an ex who would write me romantic adorations all the time and till now I did know why that was such a put off. Men!! it's better to be adored. Try to ignore her sometimes and her attraction for you will significantly increase.
@alimishina5821
@alimishina5821 10 ай бұрын
Why didn't you reciprocate same to him?
@stellbanne
@stellbanne 10 ай бұрын
@@alimishina5821 you can't force love
@beechizel8148
@beechizel8148 7 ай бұрын
lol this is what happens when you try to override default settings
@edding8400
@edding8400 Жыл бұрын
I would gladly be adored, but so far I have zero prospects for adorers
@devinsmith4684
@devinsmith4684 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485
@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485 Жыл бұрын
Yep I’ve spent years leveling myself up, not yielding much. I do get compliments from time to time but mostly older married women which I’m not going down that road.
@miamilan4812
@miamilan4812 Жыл бұрын
To be honest, I really desire to look up to a man for his character, education, work ethic, faith, leadership of us… Sadly, if a woman doesn’t look up to him, it’s hard to respect him and love him.
@sanekabc
@sanekabc 11 ай бұрын
In my best relationship we both adored each other fairly equally. I think we both felt like we were getting a good catch.
@AriD2385
@AriD2385 8 ай бұрын
What you describe sounds like what most happy long term relationships look like. I’ve rarely seen or heard a couple still happy after 20+ years describe one or the other as the adorer or more loved than the other. If you do see something like that, more often it’s the husband doting on the wife. Typically, both spouses deeply appreciate one another and are grateful for them which is why they are still happy together.
@royalveofficial
@royalveofficial Жыл бұрын
That does not make sense in my opinion because as a woman I don’t suddenly start to adore a man just because he stops adoring me. If I adore someone then it’s for his qualities, who he is and not because of relationship dynamics.
@ThAtGuY565565
@ThAtGuY565565 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels on YT, so informative and breaks things down so well. I wish I could’ve known this when I was younger.
@Kenny-Ross
@Kenny-Ross Жыл бұрын
I watched enough content to become a subscriber. What I like about this channel is that you share unconventional perspectives. Content that goes against the grain. Certain things you know on a gut level but then are reaffirmed. One of my best friends said years ago, "It's better when the girl wants you more." There you go. Excellent topic..great video!
@amyrana
@amyrana Жыл бұрын
Reciprocal adoration must be possible if two people are willing to see equality.
@Aright231
@Aright231 Жыл бұрын
That’s the dream, but I don’t know if it’s the reality. I have never met a woman that outdid me in any way other than looks, in my perspective. So her beauty would have to surpass my education/life experiences/talents/income. And I really wanted to naturally have that work, to work towards equality, but it didn’t add up. Usually what works (even though it’s a process of getting used to it) is that I receive the adoration and I repackage my feelings so that I can give a little back, mostly gratitude for the adoration but not full scale genuine adoration back. It’s tough as a man when you think you can do better as far as looks in a woman later in life when you grew up feeling ugly, but having it all in every other way.
@MustafaAlmosawi
@MustafaAlmosawi Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I do wonder if in previous eras, the adored for men was the Almighty, so they achieved the fulfillment of that desire in that manner, allowing them to also place their relationship with their spouse in proper context.
@tefilobraga
@tefilobraga Жыл бұрын
Definitely so. The decay of religion has made men to invest their religious veneration on women (even more than before). This has had disastrous consequences, because women are not divine or perfect but human and full of flaws.
@christopher9152
@christopher9152 Жыл бұрын
Excellent insight and well stated!
@talknight2
@talknight2 Жыл бұрын
In the Roman Empire, people would make fun of a man for being so girly as to actually love his wife!
@jimihob143
@jimihob143 2 ай бұрын
You just keep hitting it out of the park, truly your invaluable to the "Man-o-sphere' Thank You !!! Priceless incites !!
@paolafriedrick
@paolafriedrick 9 ай бұрын
Wow this makes so much sense. I've experienced this personally where I would get turned off if I felt that I was being put on the pedestal. I couldn't understand it because it kind of goes against logic but the way you explain it makes a lot of sense, especially if you are a traditional woman who enjoys being in a traditional relationship where roles are clearly defined.
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