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Pump Schedule - Black + Decker - 16'x32' Pool

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Swimming Pool Steve

Swimming Pool Steve

2 жыл бұрын

From www.swimmingpo... - This is a test of a Black + Decker Variable Speed pool pump. The system is running on 1.5" plumbing and a 150sqf cartridge filter with a total dynamic head of approximately 35 feet. Note that every swimming pool system is different and this is just one example of a starting point for comparison.
This is the 1.5 horsepower version of the Black + Decker variable speed pool pump running a 24 hour schedule of :
1200rpm - 5AM-1PM
2500rpm - 1PM-6PM
1200rpm - 6PM-1AM
3200rpm - 1AM-5AM
This 24-hour dynamic variable speed pump schedule results in 59,700 gallons of water filtered and a total power consumption of 9.75 kW. The national average cost for electricity is $0.13/kWh making this 24-hour filtration schedule cost about $1.27 per day.
To see this schedule on a 2" system, watch this video:
• Pool Filtration Schedu...
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@nascarman38n88
@nascarman38n88 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the videos. We are replacing a jandy flopro 2.5hp for the B&D vs 3.0 for a 22000 gallon pool in hot south fl. Hard to beat the B&D 5 year warranty and price of $940 with tax & free shipping. The same jandy pump since pool was built has lasted 14 years with two replacement motors. Hopefully this will lower our electric bill. thx again
@billpaul8803
@billpaul8803 Жыл бұрын
good report! I bought this 1.5 hp VS BD pump n it performs very well as described here.
@victorhernandez3110
@victorhernandez3110 2 жыл бұрын
Steve, love your videos and I believe you are doing a great job helping us not pros to keep our pools clean and save money at the same time with all those tips. Now, as my profesionalism won’t allow for incorrect data to be comunicated, I have to say that the Power Consumption calculations on your first speed of 1.2k rpm is not accurate. The pump is only seen/using 100 watts as active power (or working power) from the load point of view, however, from the source (power utility company name this apparent power or demand power) the consumption is a little higher because of the power factor (efficiency or losses due to a low load or flow or pump speed in our case ) of the pump at low rpms. The fact that induction motors, like pump motors, have less efficiency when facing low loads is not easy to understand for some people but it behaves that way. This is due to the fact that at no or very low loads some of the current is lost as magnetizing current and as such the efficiency of the motor drops. Anyways, the calculation is a bit higher (~122 w instead of 100w) around $0.04 more which is basically not as important as to know that maybe increasing the speed of the pump a bit more you could raise the load and efficiency and maybe spend the same amount of working watts and money while moving a little more gallons a day. Hope it helps!
@llspragulus
@llspragulus Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely an amazing video! Thanks so much!!
@lordgarth1
@lordgarth1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. I bought a house with a 20k pool and discovered they were using an above ground pump. Walked into leslie’s and picked up a floor display never been installed Intelliflow VST for $500. great deal especially three years ago but this isn’t a bad option either.
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
Intelliflo for $500 is a sweet deal!
@lrakwons9799
@lrakwons9799 Жыл бұрын
Damn for 500? That’s awesome
@crosswinds1337
@crosswinds1337 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@tnydj
@tnydj Жыл бұрын
What do you think of this schedule? For running 11100 gallons. Speed 1: 1500 30GPM 7:45-10:50am = 3:05H Speed 2 1750 35GPM 10:50am-4:07pm = 5:17H Sipped 3 1500 30GPM 4:07-7:12pm = 3:05H Slows 4 750 15GPM 7:12p-7:45a = 12:33hrs Thank You.
@joeurbano2658
@joeurbano2658 Жыл бұрын
Am I missing something? What time of day is it? No instructions on setting the actual time of day..Program 1 is for 8 hours..what time of day is the 8 hours STARTING???? Otherwise, great video...
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve Жыл бұрын
At 3:00 I explain this and then at 4:10 I actually do it. In short, for speed one, and only speed one, you will select a start time. Whatever time of day you want your cycle to start. The rest of the 24 hour clock will be based from whatever you set speed one to start from.
@joeurbano2658
@joeurbano2658 Жыл бұрын
@@Swimmingpoolsteve Thanks, I wanted to change the time for daylight savings time and the directions have no explanation for that....I shut the power down, turned it on after 15 seconds and nothing was blinking, it just kept everything the way it was....Cannot change the time of time...Have you ever tried this?
@Rocket3576
@Rocket3576 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have a 26K gallon pool with a quad filter. I currently have an old 1-1/2 hp pump that I’ve heard is to small. Can I replace it with a B&D 3 hp pump? Thanks
@dustindill
@dustindill 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to set the time. Not the schedule but the time. It’s not in the Manuel.
@omarious
@omarious 2 жыл бұрын
Turn off the power from the switch or breaker for 15-20 seconds. Then set the time when it powers on and the time blinks.
@magnusmarlind7198
@magnusmarlind7198 2 жыл бұрын
So Steve after your test here...which pump is the best to buy, have you done any compare between? I mean you like to have most moved water VS for the less money as possible. Have you done any test like that? (of course compare within the same horse power range and pipe size) Would be interesting I think ;-) Keep up with your good work, just love it :-)
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
There is no one right pump. They are like cars. There are big cars, small ones, trucks, energy efficient ones, gas hogs...pumps are similar to meet all of the dynamic needs that a pool could have. There will never be one right pump for pools. Only technical considerations mixed with budget. As for your question, you essentially have described WEF ratings which are the new metric by which pumps are being compared. It used to be horsepower which is way too misleading. Weighted energy factor is the amount of water (in thousands of gallons) that a pump can move for 1kW of power consuption as tested over a spectrum of RPM ranges. If you want to see this look at WEF ratings for pumps. I think the Tristar 900 (1.85hp tristar) SP32900VSP / SP3202VSP has the highest WEF rating of all the pumps. Note that larger motors tend to have lower WEF ratings due to the way that electric motors consume massive power at high RPM. Even a moment at 3450 RPM on a 3hp motor is going to drop the total WEF score, which is why you will notice the WEF ratings on smaller pumps to generally be higher.
@MrJMV62
@MrJMV62 2 ай бұрын
I'm a fan and hope you can help me. I'm a new pool owner I purchased a Plungie Max pool ( cast concrete set in place semi submerged ) Purchased a variable speed B&D and also a B&D heat pump. Plumed it all with 2" with long sweeps at turns (per your video's Plumbing inspector was impressed) I know your a fan of running the pump 24/7 but with only 6000 gallons is it necessary? If so what would be an ideal schedule? Thank You in advance
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 ай бұрын
You are so far overkill running 24 hours definitely you don't have to do that. However, you could make the statement that it does not hurt the pool in any way to over filter it. Small pools are a unique market and the equipment is not sized to cater to these pools. I think I would run long hours at 10 or 15 gpm. It will cost less than a lighbulb per hour to run but even with these long hours at low speed ypu could afford to turn it off completely 8 to 12 hours per day. So 2 hours at 50 gpm, 4 hours at 35 gpm, 8 hours at 10 gpm. Off 10 hours. Cost effective, enough time for heater to run for 6 hours (this number may need to change to account for minimum gpm and length of run time to generate the heat you need). You will meet any exceed your turnover requirements for filtration by a lot. It's OK. It will still be cost effective to run, and that is what matters. Filtering more is ok. Filtering not enough would not be.
@MrJMV62
@MrJMV62 2 ай бұрын
@@Swimmingpoolsteve Thank You for your prompt response, as a newbie I'm still not sure what you gallons per minute = RPM I didnt install a flow meter
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 ай бұрын
@MrJMV62 then I can only tell you that you should install a flow meter. It's something that I say should be mandatory with every variable speed pump installation. Like driving a car with no speedometer...you can do it but I wouldn't call it a good idea!
@gixxergermany
@gixxergermany 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos, thanks. I have ordered the 2hp black and decker to replace 2hp pentair superflo. I have around 12k gal inground pool, hayward salt cell and roof solar heating (single story home). Any suggestions in terms of runtimes and rpms? During the day i like it to be quite as possible (as its close to home office) but also need to make use of the solar heating (which i guess need high rpm)? Thanks for advice, approciated👍
@breakthroughschool1456
@breakthroughschool1456 2 жыл бұрын
The 2 HP is only 1800 watts. The 3 HP is 2000watts. I’d go with the 3 HP.
@breakthroughschool1456
@breakthroughschool1456 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry 3 HR is 2200 watts.
@glennsiegel60
@glennsiegel60 2 жыл бұрын
Haey Steve, I just bought the B&D 3hp. Any info on the GPM and Watts on this?
@BigsexyBMF
@BigsexyBMF 2 жыл бұрын
Steve, I have an older pool, about 20,000 gallons. My Hayward just went out after almost 20 years. (Screened in so protected from the elements). It was only a 1hp, which surprised my pool lady. No water features, just moving water at a single speed. Would a 1.5 hp B&D vsp be the right size, or should I do up to a 2hp? TIA.
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
No way you need a 2hp if you had a 1hp Hayward. Normally Hayward are small for their rating already so a 3/4 hp pentair whisperflo probably is equal to what you have now. So I see no reason you would go larger.
@danaparish1644
@danaparish1644 2 жыл бұрын
Steve, is there a need to run at higher RPM’s? I have a robotic cleaner and the heater and filter will run fine at the lower RPM/GPM. Is there still some need to ramp up the RPM’s for a short period? If so, for how long? I was just thinking to keep the RPM’s low and increase if necessary for parties, swim load, excess rain, etc…
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you need to run a higher RPM also. It is not enough to just have enough volume of filtered water. You also need the pool to have periods of time with higher flow rates for proper diffusion of the water and for the skimmers in your pool to function.
@qwerther44
@qwerther44 2 жыл бұрын
If 40k gal = 3X could you remove the 3200 rpm program? 2 HP unit w/2” PVC?
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
No I would perhaps choose a lower RPM like 3000 or 2800 but still you want some time at higher speeds daily for proper diffusion of your clean and chemically treated water in the pool. You also need more flow for your skimmers to function. You do not need 3200, but you do want some higher speed operation daily.
@breakthroughschool1456
@breakthroughschool1456 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought 1. Installed have major leak coming from bottom back of motor. Will let you know how this goes as of warranty from pool parts to go. Interesting tho I notice water marks on delivery tool pictures. Wonder if this was repackaged. I do like it so far very quite.
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
Well that is not great. Please do update as I am sure others would be interested to know how this works out.
@breakthroughschool1456
@breakthroughschool1456 2 жыл бұрын
@@Swimmingpoolsteve They thought it maybe impeller unscrewed and to tighten. Took apart and found impeller defective. They are now sending me out new motor. Will update once new motor comes in. Customer service has been great so far.
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
@@breakthroughschool1456 thank you for the update. I used to work in pool equipment sales nationwide and it does not bother me if there is a defect or failure, because statistically they will happen. What I care greatly about is how things are handled when there is a problem. Please feel free to continue to add to your story in the future. Cheers.
@breakthroughschool1456
@breakthroughschool1456 2 жыл бұрын
Great news. New motor is installed and working greatI want to say Pool Parts to go. Have been amazing and took care of the business. But I must say I’m just not sold on this black and decker yet. I will say it’s running great and is very Quite compared to even my neighbors Pentair. Will update in about a month with more on that. Pool Parts to go. A+. Steve great channel keep up the great work.
@belalal-badani3163
@belalal-badani3163 2 жыл бұрын
@@breakthroughschool1456 any updates on this, am debating between this and pentair. Let me know thanks
@watermanveteran7198
@watermanveteran7198 2 жыл бұрын
I like this pump and the concept of being the underdog. Will this 1 1/2 pump be good for a 18500 gallon pool? Also what cartridge filter size/model will you recommend. My sand s200 filter is running on its last leg! Thanks for the videos I enjoy the data presentation!
@watermanveteran7198
@watermanveteran7198 2 жыл бұрын
Forgot important info. Vinyl inground pool in north Florida.
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Glad you like the videos. There is not enough information to answer your question meaningfully but I can still provide some feedback. The size of pipes, number of pipes, and orientation of your pool / equipment will determine which pump is right for you. Also, of great importance is the pool itself. Any features like jets, waterfalls, bubblers, edge system, in-floor cleaner etc which all require specific flow. Do you have automation? These would be the questions I am asking to help someone find the right pump for their pool. Now, if you knew for example that your pool operated with 30' of total dynamic head and you have a 2" plumbing system, and absolutely no features in the pool other than filtration, then I could tell you that this pump would likely satisfy these needs. You would achieve about 108 GPM at 30' head with this pump. That would exceed most sand filters, and all small sand filters. So the pump would be regulated with programing or the filter upgraded to DE or preferably cartridge, both of which can handle higher GPM typically. There is a lot of overlap in pool pumps for which you can use. Typically pumps are too powerful when it is just about filtration. You seldom even need 1.5hp or anywhere near it to filter water under laminar flow. So yes you can probably use this pump specifically, but I am more saying this based on the generality that you can use most pumps on most systems now that they are variable speed. So kind of a non-answer answer but there is value in there I assure you. As for filter sizing I like the bigger the better. In my area a 20x40' pool would have 500+ square feet for cartridge filter. No less than 400sf. In some areas, like perhaps where you are, people use really tiny single element 100 or 150sf filters on full size pools. That is not something I recommend. 300sf, 400sf and 500sf for small, medium and large sized pools.
@watermanveteran7198
@watermanveteran7198 2 жыл бұрын
@@Swimmingpoolsteve only info I cant give is tdh I didn’t install the pool in fact it’s quite old. The pump does however sit 5 feet higher than the pool if I were to guess adding the two skimmer lines but don’t have the bends slightly less than 50’. One suction line one return line 1 1/2 inch pvc. No features basic oval. No vacuum I run a electrical powered vacuum. Thanks for the quick reply
@Swimmingpoolsteve
@Swimmingpoolsteve 2 жыл бұрын
@@watermanveteran7198 This pump is probably fine. Definitely no reason for a larger pump based on your description. I just wanted other readers to understand this is a complex consideration buying a new pump so that people do not end up trying to use the wrong pump for their pool. I really do endorse speaking with a pool industry professional for things like equipment upgrades, especially to the pump.
@dougmann5362
@dougmann5362 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking at these. The blue torrent units look to be the same pump. I have a 28k pool with 2” plumbing. Equipment is around 20” from the pool. I currently have a 2hp super 2 Hayward. Can I do the 2hp VS or jump the the 3hp?
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