Thanks brother

this fella did a bit of that kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7mli71y0NO1kZc.html

Thanks!

Youd be surprised how effective a well placed standard velocity 22lr is

I have taken my cz455 out to 600 yards, with 8/20 rounds impacting my 12x18 target. I suggest the most (at least 30moa scope base). I used a Coldshot 150moa scope base for the 75 feet of drop the bullet needed, and to be able to hold the scope dead center on target and spot my misses. edit- I love my 457 Mtr, 400 yards is a real poke, the difficulty going from 300 to 400 is a huge leap, I can go 10/10 at 300 if the wind plays nice, I'm lucky to string 3 in a row at 400

@@wowguy3562 yeah I just had a cheap Bushnell Engage so the available elevation even with my 30 MOA rail was a joke. I fixed that problem but haven’t been back to the ranch in Texas yet. I can only do 500 at that range though

The cz mtr reccomends not shooting hv in their barrel. Have you had trouble with that?

Why would one hunting squirrels? Are you eating them? Or do you only have fun in deaden? 🤔

Don't shoot squirrels please thank you

In most places, they are considered pests

Squirrels are quite good as food when properly prepared. SGB is very hard to find in my area. Leads me to believe it's not particularly popular or maybe REALLY popular. It's popular at my house.

I think he likes to run his triggers about 8 oz, thats my preferred weight, but I do not have a timney, I run a TriggerTech diamond, any lower I get a little leary, but yea, some run theirs a lot lower, I feel 8 oz is plenty

Most the high velocity ammo ive tested has much worse sd and es. Which in my opinion is far more important at distance. The other less talked about part of that is given the same BC (and these are for the most part) the faster you push the projectile the more wind steerable it becomes. So given the choice: Work with more drop that I can account for Or Deal with more wind drift that I cant truly account for Easy choice for me

Part 2 of this is there is a massive amount of variables. Take 10 shooters and rifles and you would likely get 10 seperate outcomes to that testing. Rifle A prefers the subs over hv's in terms of accuracy and harmonics Rifle b prefers HV over subs Calm vs windy conditions Wind direction Etc etc etc I will test some more and try to change my own opinion on HV ammo. Any youve seen work really well?

@@PursuitofAccuracy: No debate regarding the difference between hunting grade ammo vs target grade ammo and the consistent performance expectations of either. However, if we toss out the "flyers" we get from high velocity ammo like CCI Velocitors and rely on the shots that are performing as intended, as we would with something along the lines of say, Eley "target" for comparison, all that's left to consider is velocity and trajectory and the inherent accuracy of the rifle used for tests. If we are shooting under as close to ideal conditions as possible, we can either contend with slight winds or shoot from directions that nullify the effects of wind, shooting into or with wind. I have never in 60+ years of rifle and pistol shooting at long distance, heard of a bullet becoming "wind steerable the faster you push it". This concept is new to me and appears to apply only to .22lr bullets, because I cannot find evidence in any of my collection of loading manuals or ballistic materials that address this phenomena.. My Sierra Manual shows that a 40 grain Hornet bullet @ 2100 fps will deviate 41.99 in. in a 10mph cross wind @ 300 yards and at 3100fps @ 300yards with the same crosswind, it will deviate only 27.48 inches. And looking through various other calibers, this same situation holds true across the centerfire board for both rifle and pistol cartridges. In fact, with my shooting being concentrated mostly on rimfire in .22lr and that having been a combination of bench and field position shooting at distances from 50 to 500 yards, in my experience, the faster rounds are less susceptible to wind than the slower rounds out to 200 yards or so. I saw the same results in the 70s with CCI 36gr. mini-mags as I do now, they "buck" the wind better than slower rounds do. The CCI "Stinger" was a sought after round because of that attribute as well as it's explosive terminal effect over the mini-mag! So this new phenomena is really confusing to me! I watched you show the ballistic charts that display this phenomena, so I trust you on it, but it's going against all that I know! :) For all of my long range shooting, I have been using CCI Velocitors 40 grain bullet. I use other brands and bullet types at different distances just for fun, but those are my main cartridges for shooting way out there. This phenomena regarding wind effects on target velocity .22lr bullets has captured my attention and I'm going to run tests to see what I can learn about it when the weather allows. I'm snowed in and out of my usual locations for conducting these kinds of tests until spring now! Thanks Josh, I appreciate your informative and well done videos my friend! And Chris does a great job to! :)

@@rt66rc86 thw wind steerability is due to the very low bc of 22lr projectiles. You can use a ballistics app to test it.. Set a cross wind value of 5 mph and look at the wind hold at 1090 fps and 1190 fps. The difference is noticeable. Appreciate you watching and commenting

True, but supersonic is high velocity. 1600fps is blazing

I have had extremely good luck with that ammo, at 3.60 a box it aint bad either

My bull barrels hate the Aquila super extra copper plated, but my American bolt loves it.

@@shannonfritsch6647 I shoot the 40gr Lead round nose (lrn) Super extra, I have had pretty decent luck with it. I would consider shooting a copper jacket round every 50-100 rounds to possibly help with lead fouling, but I generally just clean my chamber (the first 2" of the breech) and a full barrel clean when accuracy noticeable takes a nose dive, like every 500 rounds or so. I would test different brands of ammo until you find what your rifle likes and shoots best, then buy plenty for the future

You should see me shoot, I miss every time. But honestly, I think Josh was showing how much drop at 100 yards vs 50 yards, for some reason, I don't dial my scope much, but when he said thats about 1.8 mils, I was smiling, thats my general hold then I fine tune

Test as much subsonic ammo as you can and find what shoots best. Distance is just a math problem

@@PursuitofAccuracy do you know much about why higher grains equal less velocity and why less grains are more velocity?

@@MarshallCantu relatively speaking a heavier bullet is harder to accelerate. So with the same powder the lighter bullet will leave the barrel with more velocity

@@PursuitofAccuracy ohhh so the bullet’s heavier or bigger w/ more grain? That makes sense, if so!

@@MarshallCantu heavier yes

Which ammo choices would you have used to allow that?

Its on my wishlist

@@MAWA2024 speed doesnt defeat wind. Wind is only combatted by a higher bc. So the faster you push a low bc projectile the less it can stabilize against it

@@MAWA2024 I agree. The longer flight time of a slower projectile should have more time for crosswind to act on it.

@@PursuitofAccuracy More speed( high velocity) => more air resistance(drag) => lower BC > bullet deflection and reverse: Less speed( low velocity) => less air resistance(drag) => higher BC < bullet deflection.

@@dalewilson1378think of it like this. If you walk 10 feet in a stong cross wind or run the wind still imparts the same fpece upon you. Speed doesnt defeat that.

Youd need to make it longer which is going to add a lot of weight. Not much powder to propel a 55 to 77 grain projectile

@@PursuitofAccuracy I don't mean they should take exactly the same bullet, like .223. Just make it in that shape. You can have something like .17 HMR which shaped something like that and weights even less. There probably must be some ways to make it.

@@Demka03 you can get high bc stuff from cutting edge

@@PursuitofAccuracy I see. Yeah, that’s cool. But, unfortunately, it’s impossible to get from where I am. And reloading here is forbidden, so… Thanks for the responses anyway. I’m new to this hobby, just got my first firearm ever, it’s 22. Your channel is gold.

I havent felt the need to get a rimfire suppressor. Its already so quiet

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That aspect is potentially overblown

Transonic is from about mach 0.8 to mach 1.2 , that is from around 900fps to around 1300fps. So, most .22lr ammo spend it's flying time in the transonic zone, subsonic or HV.

@@L.V-Rider transonic refers to either an object that is decelerating through that range or an object that causes air to flow over it in a way that it's supersonic in one area and subsonic in another. A bullet wouldn't have a shape like that, that's more like a wing, so if it started subsonic it'll never be transonic

@@nk-dw2hm Where do you get to that? If it start subsonic it still decelerate and changes in airflow and waves still occur.

@@nk-dw2hm Local pressure point chances still occur, even when just subsonic and that is the big thing about the transonic zone if and when it effects a bullet. With the latest design of bullets it is mostly not a problem. Manufacturers sort of know what they are doing.

Depends on the slug design and material compound. The softer the lead alloy the more it expand and the more damage to the orange.

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@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks

Everyone has their own reasons for what they use. The reality of HV ammo. Especially non match hv, is that its subsonic again before it even hits 100 yards. While higher velocity give you a minimally flatter trajectory (assuming the BC of the projectiles are the same) its actually less wind stable than the slower match ammo. So in a world where I cant control wind which is going to be the biggest unknown factor in ELR 22lr shooting why give it an advantage. We know and can calculate drop based on MV very accurately. So id take the extra drop and tof vs a less wind stable higher velocity projectile. All this can be proven with a simple ballistics app or device. Again, to each their own but there is a reason why almost all long range 22lr shooters are using subsonic match ammo. Im also not a guy whos shooting 600 yards regularly but i will say that subsonic ammo is extremely capable for me out to 400+ yards.

In my gun room because im kind of dumb sometimes

Any married man appreciates a little loss of hearing😊.

Thats why I love 22lr, unless you are shooting under cover of a roof or enclosure, a long barrel and subsonic ammo is music to my ears, then yea, use ear pro, plus he wouldn't look as cool

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Every shot taken was from a concrete bench with a bipod and rear bag?

Put that to the test is any ballistics calculator. Same bullet weight, same BC, more speed = more wind drift. Lots of people think bullet weight is the main cause for wind drift, common misconception but not true.