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PWM VS Potentiometer! When to use which technique?

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In this video I explain when I like to use PWM and when it is useful to just put a potentiometer in series to you load. Both have their own advantages and disadvantages but none is perfect in all situations.
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Killing Time, Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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@kuyanatnatdkrx7
@kuyanatnatdkrx7 9 жыл бұрын
best science quote of the year : "remember kids the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down."
@natedagrate227
@natedagrate227 8 жыл бұрын
+kuyanatnatdkrx7 Adam savage said that on mythbusters
@kyanhluong
@kyanhluong 8 жыл бұрын
+Nathan Healy On what episode ?
@bman12three43
@bman12three43 8 жыл бұрын
one of the earlier one's I think. He was probably quoting him.
@manuel8179
@manuel8179 7 жыл бұрын
that's true, Adam Savage said that
@MattK2015
@MattK2015 7 жыл бұрын
mythbusters refrence
@MrBiky
@MrBiky 7 жыл бұрын
watercooling resistors for better overclocking
@chrisakaschulbus4903
@chrisakaschulbus4903 5 жыл бұрын
@Ξxodus for real?
@minepro1206
@minepro1206 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@leocat2662
@leocat2662 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@akhilesh7313
@akhilesh7313 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂👍👍
@mukhtarahmad3532
@mukhtarahmad3532 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dimpelgimpel
@dimpelgimpel 8 жыл бұрын
van
@jort93z
@jort93z 6 жыл бұрын
well, its still funny. Also, most germans do not pronounce it van because "fan" is used in the context of football fan or something similar in german as well and it is not pronounced "van".
@kakeergodt4609
@kakeergodt4609 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jort93z
@jort93z 4 жыл бұрын
@Markus Schnepf I am not sure what my intention with that comment was(check the timestamp) But i believe i meant that germans would know how to pronounce it since they use that word for football fans and such. You can't say no german though, he is german and pronounces it "van".
@3poli
@3poli 3 жыл бұрын
In serious
@SteelSkin667
@SteelSkin667 8 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thank you ! I will probably use a potentiometer if I decide to do the fan thing, but now I know why PWM is so widespread when it comes to voltage regulation!
@Vangabonders
@Vangabonders 9 жыл бұрын
Short and simple. I love your videos man. Very educational
@DerrickWindsor
@DerrickWindsor 9 жыл бұрын
Great series - I am glad I found your channel as I am always on the look-out for good tutorials to post on FB - my audience is mostly non-geeky, so clear explanations are always helpful! And I am also planning to post ARDUINO Nano projects. Cheers.
@DownhillAllTheWay
@DownhillAllTheWay 7 жыл бұрын
That's a really informative discussion, well constructed. I particularly liked the comment "The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down - but why, oh why does everybody have to put a distracting music track alongside their voice? Of all the lectures I have attended, I have never been to one where the lecturer switched on a music track before he started talking.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
BigClive doesn't use music :) . Though not a professor per se, but he does know his stuff.
@ifecojahs8151
@ifecojahs8151 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much fro this explanation, I am an automotive technician, so I meet these things everyday, especially on late model cars.
@goyabee3200
@goyabee3200 7 жыл бұрын
This older video style was much better.
@JulioMatus
@JulioMatus 8 жыл бұрын
your videos are always cool, congrats for your channel!
@grins047
@grins047 5 жыл бұрын
Great demo of the difference. Thanks Scott
@jgjgggjhn
@jgjgggjhn 10 жыл бұрын
All of your videos are so awesome 👍👌
@NicholasAarons
@NicholasAarons 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video Dude. Very well explained. Keep up the great work. Nick.
@bansheedearg
@bansheedearg 7 жыл бұрын
In German, "Vater" means "Father" but the V is pronounced like an F, so it sounds like "Fater". Or Volkswagon sounds like "Folks wagon" which is what it is in German, Folk's Car. Or Fokker planes, etc. That said, I have no idea why we're driving around in a Van with a 9V battery. Tesla should be shaking in their boots though.
@benjaminfauchald2990
@benjaminfauchald2990 7 жыл бұрын
This is also why you should know that Darth Vader was his fater from the first movie.
@xgamerbih
@xgamerbih 3 жыл бұрын
“Volkswagon” lol. VOLKSWAGEN!
@big_o1952
@big_o1952 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminfauchald2990 wait what how how no what
@Ystidan
@Ystidan 5 жыл бұрын
Your video are definitely more instructive than my electronic lessons at school. Thank you a lot. You made me want restart with electronic ;)
@nagabhushanabhat1710
@nagabhushanabhat1710 7 жыл бұрын
good work man. all the best for future videos,👌👌👍
@metallitech
@metallitech 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Took me a while to figure out what this van was, lol.
@abdelrahmangamalmahdy
@abdelrahmangamalmahdy 7 жыл бұрын
In this video, for the first time, I figured out that you're German and left-handed too.. no surprise you're a wonderful guy :)
@elektrolyte
@elektrolyte 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Excellent explanation. Thank you
@TimothyJohnAguilar
@TimothyJohnAguilar 9 жыл бұрын
Hey GreatScott! I love your videos sir! I'm glad I subbed. PWM and Potentiometer are interesting and all but do you think you could cover some digital stuff like perhaps using a rotary encoder? To control something like a DC motor or a servo. Thanks in advance!
@RyanJensenEE
@RyanJensenEE 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Incidentally, you have great handwriting for a left-handed individual.
@donj.giovanni7551
@donj.giovanni7551 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and educational. Many thanks! What do think about single transistor used as a voltage divider and its power waste? Thanks again!
@Vnifit
@Vnifit 10 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for making this. Learned a lot. "The only difference between screwing around and science is that you write it down"
@stevetobias4890
@stevetobias4890 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, I keep PWM was the better way to go to get the maximum from the battery and to reduce the potentially dangerous heat buildup.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
That reduction can also be achieved by using much higher power (.5 1 or even 2 W) resistors...in some cases PWM might not work and a resistor is, unfortunately the way to go and you will need those high resistors. I'm impressed that his didn't start smoking seeing how hot they were actually... From work I managed to score 3 16 Ohm, 60W resistors (no clue what they were in, but oof they are beefy).
@aadarshshetty
@aadarshshetty 7 жыл бұрын
This was a question I could not answer to my teacher at college and myself .... thanks Scott....
@pierreaugustin154
@pierreaugustin154 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation thanks!
@eirikmurito
@eirikmurito 7 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration
@MoltenSamurai
@MoltenSamurai 2 жыл бұрын
I really was wondering why the heck we would ever use PWM over potentiometers. I guess it was pretty obvious from the start, lol! 🤦🏾‍♂️ Helpful video
@tristunalekzander5608
@tristunalekzander5608 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@BrutalGames2013
@BrutalGames2013 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video! Is it possible to dimm a COB LED using PWM ?
@abhayraj695
@abhayraj695 4 жыл бұрын
you are GREAT tq for informations.......
@MarkVanVasey
@MarkVanVasey 7 жыл бұрын
hey Werner Hertzog! great video.
@ticktock8751
@ticktock8751 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video, i have a hard drive box that works well but after some hours i am going crazy with the sound of the fan, and i did not want to put a big set of parts in the box to slow the fan but maybe just use a 10k POT maybe 2k Pot but dont want the pot to get hot
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
In case of putting a potentiometer between the device and the voltage source, the heat buildup in the resistor that is a potentiometer is based on 2 things: the amount of voltage difference you want to create (in your case: how fast the fan is spinning) and the amount of current this device draws. The reason his quarter of a Watt set of resistors became flaming hot in the case of the LED strip is because there was a stupid amount of current (up to possibly around a full ampère) running through them all while also trying to limit some current from reaching the LED's so they would not shine as bright. Trying to regulate current/voltage with a resistor means there will be power that has to be dissipated in a way, in this case by putting all the power we don't want the device to use into an electronic part that has to get rid of the excess power by converting it to heat. In case of low-current devices this will typically not be a thing for small variations, but the bigger the difference between the device and voltage source, the more heat the resistor will start producing. Even if 0.25W resistors might be fine for a small variation, they might start to become reasonably hot when you slow the fan down more, because the power not used by the fan will have to go somewhere, in this case by being converted into heat. Sometimes you can feel this, sometimes you can't but the process is basically still there, just not detectable.
@bigjhims.k6654
@bigjhims.k6654 6 жыл бұрын
One day I want to be an electrical engineer, I'm just a beginner but this channel has helped alot
@HamzaBenHassen
@HamzaBenHassen 10 жыл бұрын
Great job Great Scott you really are an inspiration . it would be really cool to see you make an PoV Display with few rgb Leds . keep on the nice work :)
@greatscottlab
@greatscottlab 10 жыл бұрын
The POV Display has been on my to do list for quite some time. It will happen soon.
@abdulkarimhalai6708
@abdulkarimhalai6708 5 жыл бұрын
@@greatscottlab so it did finally happen! :) Loved it!
@PunitJain8695
@PunitJain8695 8 жыл бұрын
"The main difference between screwing around and science is writing it down" - Great Scott clearly what makes it great. :) BTW, that goes to my wall of epic Science quotes
@FutureAIDev2015
@FutureAIDev2015 8 жыл бұрын
Scott, I'm trying to understand a switching regulator system. From what I've learned, a switching regulator varies a square wave's duty cycle in response to a negative feedback signal with respect to a constant reference voltage (zener). My issue is, how would I set up this feedback network, and how would I adjust the oscillator's duty cycle without affecting its frequency?
@samineni100
@samineni100 8 жыл бұрын
thanks bro!
@programm1001
@programm1001 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that nice Video!
@gekesulen
@gekesulen 8 жыл бұрын
YES! +1 one for the adam savage quote
@MarkJay
@MarkJay 7 жыл бұрын
GENIUS!
@myintnaing2470
@myintnaing2470 11 ай бұрын
Yes. Clear. Thank
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 7 жыл бұрын
by the looks of it the thing wold be more efficient if you used 2x NE555: The current-draw is linear with the supply voltage, at ~5V input it is down at ~2 mA, at 9 V it goes as high as 10 mA. So if you used a 2nd 555 to generate a 5 V supply, even with the extra components needed, you would likely end up under 40 mA. Also - how well would it work if you used a comparator to control the mosfet? A simple voltage-divider for one input, sense-line for the other, and convert the Mosfet PWM to DC with a capacitor.
@MertYerlikaya
@MertYerlikaya 10 жыл бұрын
This is great.
@unglaubichuberlieber8048
@unglaubichuberlieber8048 6 жыл бұрын
gut gemacht !!!
@mrmshifan
@mrmshifan 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation. I built the circuit but found not much difference with a variable resister. So I scrambled the circuit. Guess I have to build it again. Tq
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
Some PWM circuits will require a big value potentiometer in order to see a big difference in output. One that I know uses a 100Kohm one, with a 10K one the difference is minimal, noticeable, but minimal (in my case it's used to control the backlighting of buttons in a dashboard-simrig setup).
@lilliampumpernickel9916
@lilliampumpernickel9916 7 жыл бұрын
haha 2:09, is that Adam savage
@ramakrishnamishra8179
@ramakrishnamishra8179 7 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir, I wish to ask a question. I wish to vary the intensity of 15Khz RGB lines, what should I use? Potentiometer or anything else? I want to keep the circuit really simple without any loss of quality..
@freetubemovies.644
@freetubemovies.644 5 жыл бұрын
Hello , I really liked your video sir ! 💜💜 Sir , actually I need your help ! sir , I am working on a project where I have to use a suitable potentiometer that can oppose 2 Amperes of D.C current !!! I have 6 A of D.C current and I want to use 4 A of D.C current by stopping 2 Amperes using a potentiometer or anyhow possible ! 6-2 = 4 ( 4 Amperes I want to achieve). Can you please tell me which potentiometer should I use or how can I do that anyway ?
@professorbuffet
@professorbuffet 8 жыл бұрын
Hey nice video. But i was wondering if you could make a video on how to increase the output of a signal? thanks
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
A power transistor or a mosfet that you feed the output from the PWM circuit.
@heaanlasai866
@heaanlasai866 5 жыл бұрын
Idea for a project: PWM controllers use a manual potentiometer. But what if you want to control it using an Arduino or similar? Could you use the Arduino to control a small logic level MOSFET, which would feed into a simple circuit with a capacitor and a resistor? If you solder the terminals for this in where the manual potentiometer was connected, the pulse length would determine the voltage between the terminals, and thus affect the PWM controller as if you were using the manual potentiometer.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
You can use regular (BC547) low-power transistors for driving them as variable resistors. That's how I use them in a dashboard-simrig build for controlling the gauges from an Arduino. Low duty cycle/PWM frequency (I have yet to look at the output of a PWM signal of an Arduino with a scope, I have seen the Tone one) means the gauges shows a low value, and a higher PWM value means the gauge shows a higher value :) . You do need to use a fairly high value resistor on the base of the transistor in order to do this, you want to drive them like a variable resistor after all (I think my setup uses 10K).
@klazzera
@klazzera 7 жыл бұрын
in short, potentiometer adjusts the voltage/power at the load by spending the rest on itself.i learned this by burning up a few potentiometers. but still, i sometimes use high wattage potentiometers for the sake of simplicity and the power loss is not important.
@mahmoudlastname121
@mahmoudlastname121 7 жыл бұрын
i like the way you thinking
@Hakeeeeeeem
@Hakeeeeeeem 8 жыл бұрын
Omg u r a genius, how u r not my friend!!
@joshhagen4182
@joshhagen4182 6 жыл бұрын
Could i make a heating circuit that measures temp and adjust the heat using a pwm on an arduino?
@arielbluman644
@arielbluman644 7 жыл бұрын
mjlorton talked about TS555, that should consume much less power, should be around 150uA in 9V.
@lochinvar00465
@lochinvar00465 7 жыл бұрын
I was playing around with speed control of a propeller motor for a model boat. Using a pot, it would slow down to a certain point then suddenly quit. But, with PWM is slowed down smoothly until it was just a slow crawl. Imagine making a toy motor turn smoothly at 60RPM or even less! The fact is, when it gets each pulse of current, it also gets full torque during that pulse. When the pulses are fast enough, it appears to be smooth. My vote is for PWM.
@benkrege2135
@benkrege2135 6 жыл бұрын
you're probably using a log pot - use a linear one
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
@@benkrege2135 No, that's not it. Most motors (especially cheaper, usually brush-ones) will have a stall voltage limit which will cause the voltage supplied to be insufficient for enough current to make it turn and have another successful turn be initiated. A linear pot will probably then show the same behaviour, except it will show it at a different point when rotating the axes of said potentiometer. With PWM however, the voltage provided stays the same, but not the time it is applied. If the motor wants to turn because of the higher voltage, it might see a small amount of movement and if the frequency of the PWM signal is high enough, it will keep functioning at much lower speeds: the voltage required to push current through the device is, after all, still there.
@abhijitrashinkar
@abhijitrashinkar 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@bobbennem2765
@bobbennem2765 9 жыл бұрын
Could you do a version of Make Littlebig Lamp that doesn't use NTE2013 IC chip. If you haven't seen the project search it up in KZfaq it's a good project but can't get hold of the NTE2013 chip Pleeeeeeese help
@greatscottlab
@greatscottlab 9 жыл бұрын
Bob Bennem I am familiar with the project. And I really like the idea. But instead of building a new lamp I would "hack" an existing one to use LED lights and the dimmer circuit.
@drfritz142
@drfritz142 4 жыл бұрын
"remember kids the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down." i love it
@naitikshailendrakumaryadav2824
@naitikshailendrakumaryadav2824 5 жыл бұрын
Please make video on inductors design and non isolated dc dc converters
@wardb6539
@wardb6539 5 жыл бұрын
i'm searching for a solution the change my 'voltage in' of a my dummy load. the 'voltage in' is 54.8 V. max load is 4 X 50 W (a little more with ventilation, display, etc.). Any suggestions ? Kind regards.
@mantasmeskis4687
@mantasmeskis4687 7 жыл бұрын
GreatScott can you make 300a pwm speed controller for 36v motor
@DiegoSepu95
@DiegoSepu95 4 жыл бұрын
could i use a 1Mohm potentiometer? for pwm with timer
@embededfabrication4482
@embededfabrication4482 2 жыл бұрын
what is the best way to control a hub motor controller with an MCU? direct PWM or use a digital potentiometer?
@mauricioferrazzi
@mauricioferrazzi 7 жыл бұрын
I just came here to watch I don't understand nothing about what he's doing, but I have to assume you're so intelligent 👏👏👏
@joshuanorris5860
@joshuanorris5860 6 жыл бұрын
Mauricio Ferrazzi lmao Over my head too.
@rich1051414
@rich1051414 5 жыл бұрын
How do you run your van on a 9v battery?
@basicelectronics1106
@basicelectronics1106 4 жыл бұрын
If we connect a resistor in series...will there be enought current to drive motor..??
@cal8414
@cal8414 9 жыл бұрын
get to the choppaaaa
@kushalbiswas7743
@kushalbiswas7743 7 жыл бұрын
Scot, can 555 ic change the duty cycle, or it just squish and expands it???
@commodoregamecube2200
@commodoregamecube2200 7 жыл бұрын
What software are you using for CAD? Proteus?
@samad419
@samad419 3 жыл бұрын
"maybe subscribe, its all up to you" I like that
@SidhuBurre
@SidhuBurre 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott I love your video tutorials. May i know which type of bench power supply you are using?
@greatscottlab
@greatscottlab 9 жыл бұрын
***** ELV DPS 7000
@Mandrag0ras
@Mandrag0ras 9 жыл бұрын
GreatScott! How much did it cost?
@lipelego22
@lipelego22 9 жыл бұрын
+Mandragoras google it you fool! lol
@Mandrag0ras
@Mandrag0ras 9 жыл бұрын
Lightning555 I did, you fool, but google won't tell me. It's either a rare or old model. Most results are in german and google translation is just atrocious.
@saizenki
@saizenki 7 жыл бұрын
Circuit for PWM ? please scott !
@howarddetry9761
@howarddetry9761 7 жыл бұрын
What are those cables you used in the breadboard called? The one with pin like thingy...
@dirtty3486
@dirtty3486 8 жыл бұрын
Great video... question?...I want to use only a resistor to slow down the speed of my fan.. the spec is 12v 1.60 amp.... the power source is a 550 watt power supply.., how much ohms and watts should i buy. want to reduce speed at 25 to 50 % thanks...
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster Жыл бұрын
Forget watts in resistor calculations. Depending on the amount of current you will have to limit the fan to in order to reach a 25% to 50% reduction in speed, you will have to try out multiple resistors. Let's for simplicity say that in order to reduce it's RPM by 25% we need to reduce voltage an equal amount (which obviously is not how things work, but OK). Just for the sake of simplicity we also consider the resistor to be a perfect electronic part with no imperfections, and in order to reach the reduction, we can reason that at normal operation, the fan uses 19,2W of energy (12V x 1.6A). In case of a fan reduced in speed by 25%, we end up on (roughly) 14,4W (9V x 1.6A). That means that almost 5W's of energy (which usually is much more than people realize it is) will have to be going somewhere, which in this case will be a heavy, expensive 7.5W resistor (you could use 5 but it will get quite warm due to being on the exact limit of it's power dissipation).
@vijankavcic2075
@vijankavcic2075 9 жыл бұрын
for biger load you can use triac and potentiometer
@curtisdesselles8691
@curtisdesselles8691 7 жыл бұрын
Hello, Love your videos. I have a question. I am trying to make a power supply from my mains (110 v, 60 Hz). The output must be adjustable from 1 - 60vdc. I will use a transformer and full bridge rectifier. I need to control the voltage some way. I also wanted to switch the voltage with a MOSFET using an Arduino to get an adjustable PWM and frequency. Am I on the right track? Thanks, Any suggestion?
@andruloni
@andruloni 7 жыл бұрын
Mind the fact that my electronics experience is limited to soldering a couple (literally, if I remember right) of kits. Once you get the mains to 60V and rectified, this seems to be a job of a step-down regulator. A full Arduino MC might be too much for the job, but if you find uses for the other pins of it (like a fancy light show⸮) it might be simpler overall.
@Qxadinha
@Qxadinha 4 жыл бұрын
And how use field effect transistor as load controller?
@FozCooled
@FozCooled 8 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video to control 48v fans like sanyo denki
@duncpol
@duncpol 3 жыл бұрын
Would Arduino nano be even more efficient in PWM creation than 555 timer?
@shibinshiji4671
@shibinshiji4671 5 жыл бұрын
Please send me the circuit diagram details of that 9v fan
@therealb888
@therealb888 7 жыл бұрын
What's up with blue vs green vs brown resistors.
@sankarmondal89
@sankarmondal89 5 жыл бұрын
can you make a video on a project that is included, NodeMCU + Relay module + Robotdyn AC light dimmer + Blynk? or can I have the coding? I'm trying to make a project like that but really poor in coding. Will you please help?
@ambaoutomobileworkacandele9371
@ambaoutomobileworkacandele9371 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a megnetic control servo tester please help me
@josefaschwanden1502
@josefaschwanden1502 5 жыл бұрын
Timer 555 pwm or schmitt trigger pwm? Whats better?
@sandipkumarnandi
@sandipkumarnandi Жыл бұрын
can u create video on pwn based led driver
@TwoForFlinchin1
@TwoForFlinchin1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks I really don't want to overcomplicate shit for a 5 volt fan
@ms2649
@ms2649 7 жыл бұрын
is there a to make an esc from a arduino
@danfishermen5362
@danfishermen5362 5 жыл бұрын
Can you use a buck bost converter
@kvlpnd
@kvlpnd 8 жыл бұрын
+GreatScott! Which IC did you use for PWM output?
@notforever123
@notforever123 9 жыл бұрын
Now you know KIDS!!, hahaha, Awesome, thanks
@Passco666
@Passco666 7 жыл бұрын
+GreatScott I like your videos. They are very well prepared. But if you should use more seconds for calculations. Because sometimes you are too fast. Can you recommend me some page where I can study about calculation of electronics? Im newbie and I need something like you are doing in video.
@s-napers
@s-napers 6 жыл бұрын
So it'll work fine on bigger loads, you just need to set up a water cooling rig for your resistors.
@iakovjack740
@iakovjack740 8 жыл бұрын
Please upload a video or expain how to control led strip with potentiometer please!!
@SaureHefePegorino
@SaureHefePegorino 8 жыл бұрын
+iakov Jack you dont. potentiometer for LED is terrible. use pwm
@massimogiardina9138
@massimogiardina9138 6 жыл бұрын
Did you just do 7x2 on your calculator?
@demm7777
@demm7777 5 жыл бұрын
Can it drive 160mA fan?
@rahulbindhu
@rahulbindhu 4 жыл бұрын
Golden days
@Erick-wj4vq
@Erick-wj4vq 9 жыл бұрын
"Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing is down." Hilarious. XD
@guitarwhores753
@guitarwhores753 9 жыл бұрын
That's one way to bitch slap a hostile comment. Great vid. Sub'd.
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