Joe’s favorite way to disagree with someone without actually disagreeing with them: “Mmmmm.”

Joe's not fighting Quentin, he's fighting his instinct to tell Quentin about elk meat and TRT.

The inglorious bastards was an absolute masterpiece in filmmaking. The bar scene is on of my favorites of all time

I love the way Tarantino talks about his characters like they are almost real. It really shows how much he loves and cares about them.

Quentin: I don't want this to be the only thing that people pull from this show... Young jamie: Well this should be a good clip...

Joe looked like he wanted to defend Bruce Lee more but decided it wasn't worth turning the whole podcast into this topic

That last sentence is a hint of his S tier story writing skills

I'm friends with Chuck Rohr. He was Robert Conrad's stunt man for Wild Wild West. They were friends. Chuck says Conrad NEVER did his own stunts, the producers wouldn't let him. Chuck's a little hurt because Conrad himself started the myth that he did his own stunts. Chuck's in his 80's now, he lives in Mt Dora, Florida.

"Tarantino is the only guy who needs cocaine to stop talking" -Brad Pitt.

Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.

Bruce Lee’s a legend! And, he’s the reason a lot of us older folks fell in love with martial arts. RIP Mr. Lee 🙏

"He's fighting his instinct to kill me..." Quentins comment is chilling, and he is so passionate. Rogan remains at the top of his class with this one.

QT is the only guest recently who seems more confident than Joe, and that’s refreshing.

Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.” Joe Rogan: Right JRE- let's make it a clip!

That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.

3:01 joe wonders why an Asian man living in 50-60s America perspective was... lol I’m sure Americans were welcoming him with open arms and smiles everywhere he went :)

For a moment Tarantino had me convinced that Cliff was an actual person

Tarantino: 00:17 I don't want this to be the only thing pulled from the show PowerfulJRE: 3.2million people think otherwise

Cliff Booth gave such a great performance as Brad Pitt in that movie it's amazing

So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?

“a lot of people think you made Bruce Lee look like an asshole” wasn’t Joe one of those very people?

“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭

It's a long story and many of you won't believe me anyway. My father trained with Bruce and he always said to me that Bruce was very arrogant. A better word used today would be "cocky". He always treated his students with respect, but if he was challenged or had to demonstrate his talents. Bruce would get very cocky. My father passed away last August and the first thing I asked my mother for was my fathers picture with Bruce Lee, and a membership card from the school signed by Bruce Lee.

Sounds like Tarantino was describing Steven Segal, not Bruce Lee.

Quentin Tarantino: this is how fights happen in real life Joe Rogan: ok

"I don't want this to be the only thing they pull from this show". Literally the only part of this interview I've seen

QT is so in love with his own creation (Cliff) he’s talking about him as if he was a real historical person.

I've heard Tarantino's beliefs (and they are like a religion to him because he's a zealot who thinks he's never wrong) about Bruce Lee. I loved his portrayal of Bruce Lee BECAUSE if the real Lee were alive today, he would laugh at the irony of the character. Lee was fascinated with boxing, and stated over and over that a professional boxer would kill him (Lee) effortlessly. Lee loved working with Gene LaBelle because Gene was a master grappler and Bruce wanted to learn as much about it as he could. Lee loved trading ideas and working with all the stuntmen. The only ones he ever fought with were in China because they would challenge him. Here's the ultimate irony: Lee used what he learned in the States to beat the hell out of those Chinese challengers. Every account is how Bruce would tie them up in a clinch (grappling taught by Westerners) and pummel them until they gave up. Tarantino thinks and tried to portray Lee as a man who believed Kung-Fu was invincible and believed he was invincible. The real Lee was eager to learn and recognized the realities of fighting.

In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”

in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.

I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.

It's crazy how Tarantino is so detailed about his characters and the research he puts into how those characters would interact with real people.

Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.

Joe with brendan: “I hated it” Joe with Quentin: “that was SO funny!”

Didn’t joe specifically say he had a problem with it a few years ago

Why nobody ever mention an Oscar for stunts?

This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”

That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.

The interesting state of stuntmen in America, vs stuntmen in China, is wholely due to standards in cinema built up over the years. Can't remember if it was Buddy Holly (edit: wasn't Buddy Holly, memory somehow blurred his name over Buster Keaton for all the insane stunts he pulled back in the day, *LOOK HIM UP SOME TIME!),* or an even older actor (after silent movies, but before movies in color), but there was a scene where the actor (playing a bank robber) rounds the corner and narrowly avoids a hail of bullets from the police, as they shoot up a wall right beside him. It goes off less than a foot away from his face, and it was done before "special effects" were really a thing, so it was _actually someone firing a tommy-gun at him!_ Needless to say, the actor wasn't thrilled. They tightened up on safety regulations, for the protection of both actors and stuntmen. I'm sure, as the way these things go, it started off light and got more strict along the way, but by the time Bruce Lee came over to start working (China doesn't have the same rules in making movies) he probably looked at what was required of himself, as a stuntman, and what American stuntmen are tasked with doing, and found the comparison as a sort of, *"IN **_MY_** DAY,* we had to walk *FIVE MILES* in the snow for a stuntman job! *UPHILL! **_BOTH WAYS!"_* Jackie Chan tells a story from his stuntman days back home. He was hesitant to raise his hand for a scene where they needed a bunch of dudes to ride horses for a shot. Everyone but him rides off, and a few minutes later just the horses came back. When he looked, it was just a field of dudes laying in the field with broken arms and legs. I don't agree with Bruce, but I understand how he developed such a high standard for being a stuntman. The harder they go, the better the film looks, and in America (too Bruce), we're like, "Don't actually beat the guy whose job it is to take a beating, in place of the actor!"

Tarantino thinks his week of research, makes him an expert.

Joe "a lot of people had a problem with the Bruce Lee scene and I'm going to pretend I wasn't one of them" Rogan

Joe: Bruce Lee would win Quentin Tarantino: Not in my imagination

"He's not fighting me, he's fighting his instinct to kill me." love that line

I love Quentin Tarantino movies. I think he has some kind of deep, rooted love of Bruce Lee, that went astray??? Yellow jumpsuits for Uma Thurman? David Carradine (Bill) idolize Bruce Lee!! he said that Bruce Lee was the James dean of the martial arts !!!! do you know what would’ve been a great ending in that movie. The manson zombies all come in. Bruce Lee unleashes his fist of fury and kills them all and saves his real life friends Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring!!! That would’ve been a phenomenal ending!!!!!

Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.

Joe Rogan itching to tell Quinten the benefits of sensory deprivation and elk meat

I feel like this interview missed the mark. The controversy wasn't that Cliff hurt Bruce. The controversy was the level to which Bruce was portrayed as an ignorant blowhard.

Pretty sure I have heard several interviews of Jackie Chan talking about Bruce kicking and punching a lot of the Chinese stunt people so I could see Bruce being that way in America and not even thinking anything was wrong with it.

Joe: did you know- Quentin: Yes.

Tarantino ‘I hope people don’t just take out this part of the conversation’ JRE ‘hold my joint’

I have watched 5+ documentaries about Bruce Lee, read 5+ books about Bruce Lee & 5+ books by Bruce Lee. All evidence I have seen in those docos & books supports the major criticisms people have made about that movie scene & about Tarantino's claims. E.g. Tarantino claims Bruce was a competition fighter. In reality, Bruce is famous among martial artists for rejecting competitions as having unrealistic rules compared with full contact sparring without rules. Bruce is famous for having been in many real fights. There is no evidence that anything like that movie scene happened to Bruce in real life - in reality, the evidence shows that by the time Bruce Lee moved (back) to the USA as an adult, he was winning all of his real life fights. Furthermore, Bruce is famous among us martial artists for being all about economy of movement (for maximum speed and minimum telegraphing) in his martial arts (that is one of the principles of Bruce Lee's martial art "Jeet Kune Do"). So, e.g. he would not have done a flying kick. He would have probably done something economical & fast, e.g. kick that Brad Pitt character in the knee or shin and then finish him off with some strikes to the head (perhaps led by an eye gouge, if the opponent was dangerous). So why did Bruce do flying kicks in his movies? Because Bruce Lee's movie performances were NOT about realism, but about showing off to make the fights more entertaining.

That first exchange is classic 😂. You know it's good when young Jamie is cackling in the back.

Stuntmen hit hard in Hong Kong, that's their style, both Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White have talked about this.

“This guys not fighting me, he’s fighting his instinct to kill me” that’s a badass quote

I loves Bruce Lee, I personally wont let him go out like this

00:14 For a moment there, I thought Tarantino was trying to imitate Lee for a laugh.

For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊

QT says "It's in the book" like a fan explaining the story of his favorite movie.

Wouldn’t we all love to hear Bruce’s response to this!

Literally watching the Bruce and cliff scene on tv rn and this came up in my recommend

It's the Tarantino Universe. It's not supposed to be historically accurate.

I like how once Joe Rogan starts laughing Quentin just looks at him like "Ain't shit funny. What are you laughing at?"

Quentin mentions that ''it is in the book'' . What book?

I always wondered if, when Tim Kennedy was fighting, if any of the fighters he faced looked across the ring and said, this dude could legit kill me in a real world situation

Well QT this ended up being THE only thing that people pulled from the show.

Didn’t know I wanted this episode until it came out lol

Quentin is an absolute genius, his work in Movies like “Pulp Fiction” & “Reservoir Dogs” is cinematic genius & will be admired, enjoyed & praised long after Quentin is gone. Quentin is & always will be regarded as a legendary American movie maker.

This specific episode made me want to see movie, but nowhere in the film, does it explain Cliff being what Q says he is other than Rick Dalton saying he's a gd war hero.

I like how he talks about his characters as if they were real people. :)

I would like to hear Bruce Lee's version.

Bro. His response was harddddddd. 😂

Nice interview have to check the whole thing out

Joe looks respectfully confused

LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”

Joe's gotta watch Bruce Lee's ping pong video. It's insane.

Great story, but how do you think Bruce would have done against an Olympic wrestler of that time? Mustafa Dağıstanlı was the Gold medalist at 140 lb summer 1960. Dude looks rugged. Chiseled from steel. I think Carlson Gracie was around out then too. Bruce was fun to watch because this Kung Fu lore had become a film genre. No martial artist can jump from table to table and then up onto a balcony 15' above the table (with a sheet metal wobble). But this was the most fun thing they did was stretch reality during the fight scenes. The sound effects were epic. What Quentin did with "Kill Bill" was so awesome in this respect. He sewed all that lore into a great story. I loved the sound effects during the fight scenes. I swear I heard a cheesy bowling pins strike when a table fell in "Kill Bill". That was so cool. I love Pai Mei beating Black Mamba's ass without empathy and then Elle Driver is just so grimy she poisoned his fish heads. "That's right! I killed your master!" And then SNATCH! Daryl Hannah Vs. Umma Thurman's character fight was epic.

“I don’t want this to be the only thing pulled from the show” gets a JRE YT clip…..

Wish I could see Joey Diaz's reaction to this whole episode.

The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.

Asian stunt men had that reputation as hardcore stuntman.

probably another reason why Chan did his own stunts😂

Tarantino literally and figuratively has a giant head.

Quentin Tarantino bows to the mainstream movie industry.

Leyend has it that Quentin Tarantino is still talking (this time all by himself) how Cliff could beat Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Gregor O'Connor, Superman, all the Avengers, Thanos, Goku, and the bear from that DiCaprio movie where he won the Oscar...

It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.

I love how Quentin always has this whole, very elaborated life story for each of his characters so well defined in his head.

I absolutely love it when Tarantino talks about his characters like they are real people, it kind of gives me a peak into his genius brain that how well the character is constructed by him, it's not written just for the sake of the movie or story, infact it's more to the character than what is shown in the film.... Of course we interpret characters in the film in our own way, but listening to the guy's perspective who has actually brought this character life is even more intriguing.

This is from a year and a half ago. What book is QT talking about that he talks about that scene in?

Quentin describing cliff booth like he's an actual person in real life just showed me how his brain/ imagination works

Bruce: be like water Cliff: I drink water. Tarantino: Cliff used to fucking drink water and then piss it out

what book is Q referring to ?

"He´s not fighting me, he is fighting the instinct to kill me" daaammmmmnnnnnnn🥶

THIS IS THE ONE I'VE ALWAYS NEEDED

I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.

where do i find the whole podcast, cant find it in joe's channel

Ppl forget that Bruce use to fight for his life I’m the streets of Hong Kong where many boys his age where joining gangs and dying. Bruce knew what real danger was that’s why he trained the way he did to prove that at any moment.

Jackie chan himself said bruce made sure he was okay when he hit him and that was before jackie was popular so it wasn’t because of who he was either

After the thousandth “wow” on the subject of films, joe was probably thinking “I should probably watch more movies”.

When he said about military stance, i lost it. 😂 Joe really suppressed his inner monster to not but into that argument.

Funny how Quintin talks like he knew Bruce Lee personally. Bruce was an upcoming star and got challenged by stuntmen occasionally. You gotta understand the backstories. If Bruce was so disrespectful like he is claiming Bruce would not run to Jackie Chan, who was a stuntmen back then, hug him and asks if he is ok.