Questionable Ultimate Reality | Discussion

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Dhamma-Vinaya Patipada

Dhamma-Vinaya Patipada

3 ай бұрын

A Dhamma discussion based on the question...
"Would it be possible to talk about Buddhism's conventional and ultimate truths?
"As I understand it, conventional truth is how most people experience the world, and the ultimate truth is seen when doing correct Vipassana meditation. And practitioners well versed in Abhidhamma will understand between the two truths.
I sometimes use the Mahasi method (noting thoughts, sensations, etc.) when doing insight meditation, but I find my mind to be a little unruly. However, there are the rare exceptions of mental clarity, which encourages me to continue."

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@johnylimapersonaltrainer1419
@johnylimapersonaltrainer1419 2 ай бұрын
Sadhu, Bhante! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@pasadobhikkhu8440
@pasadobhikkhu8440 Ай бұрын
Sadhu Bhante 🙏
@angelikawesson4277
@angelikawesson4277 2 ай бұрын
"Zen is anything done thoughtlessly!" - Bodhidharma Many forms of meditation help us find that Zen place. Granddad said never to believe anything that you see, anything that you hear, anything that you sense and only half of what you think, and you NEVER know which half! ;)
@angelikawesson4277
@angelikawesson4277 2 ай бұрын
All duality is mortality; the truth for which there is an 'opposite' is a mortal, dual, conditional truth. All duality is conditional, from thoughts to bath! Everything that we experience! The Truth for which there is no opposite, transcendent of all 'conditions' is unconditional Love! Enlightenment!! Immortality! Through the third eye of unconditional Love, Truth is found everywhere! Unconditionally! One can always recognize unconditional Love by it's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity (Charity is never taking more than your share of anything, ever!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith... ALWAYS! The space of unconditional Love dissolves all boundaries, all is One! No 'self/not self', no suffering (remember unconditional Happiness? One remains Happy even during torture! No fear! Namaste'
@evensaj
@evensaj 2 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. you have given such practical wisdom that instead of debating of nature of reality why not make our practice strong and find the reality ourselves
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 2 ай бұрын
Very happy it might have been helpful. The suttas point us to something very practical -- the suffering in our own lives. Whether the cosmos are finite, infinite, etc. is not really important in searching for an end to suffering.
@fingerprint5511
@fingerprint5511 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Bhante. How can we be more aware of identifying with thoughts of me and mine, when the body is experiencing chronic pain that is crippling that then adds more pain (2nd Arrow).? I do practice when calm but some days the entire body starts up and the mind melts down, gets hijacked Thank you 🙏
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
That's a good question. Maybe it would be a good one for a Dhamma discussion. One can take dukkha vedana as one's meditation topic when in pain. There'a a good description of that practice in this talk.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9KHpaiImrLQdGQ.htmlsi=bEQqQtWV6OKdj4Xn However, it's quite important to cultivate meditation as a part of one's lifestyle when one is healthy. This gives one the skill to use it when illness comes.
@dhammadassi1563
@dhammadassi1563 3 ай бұрын
🙏🙏☸️🙏🙏
@spirit_of_freedom9504
@spirit_of_freedom9504 2 ай бұрын
But Ven. Mahasi Sayado explain meditation through the Abhidhamma and commentary on Abhidhamma...
@matthewpimental2042
@matthewpimental2042 3 ай бұрын
Great Dhamma Talk. Thank you.
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
Very happy it might have been helpful
@cariyaputta
@cariyaputta 3 ай бұрын
It's like corporate mindfulness retreats that are full of the greediest people. They isolate one aspect of the teaching and commercialize it or use it to maximize profit.
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
Isolating one aspect of the teaching will make it difficult to see one's flaws
@elielsandoval.author
@elielsandoval.author 3 ай бұрын
🙏 thank you Bhante 🙏 this video answered many of my questions about meditation and the true goal, I’ve seen that the main goal is to overcome our tendency to grasp also our hidden bad habits and defilements and the techniques or meditation methods work as a support, also thank you for clarifying about what is the right way to do vipassana: dukkha, anatta and annicca sañña 🙏
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
Anumodana for the kind words, Eliel. It's interesting that in the Canon the Buddha refers to these vipassana topics as 'sanyas'. It's a good pointer of how they're to be used for release.
@elielsandoval.author
@elielsandoval.author 3 ай бұрын
@@DhammaVinayaPatipada 🙏 ☸️🙏
@smlanka4u
@smlanka4u 3 ай бұрын
Nibbanan Paramam Sukham
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
Sadhu
@venkatrmanchem590
@venkatrmanchem590 3 ай бұрын
Experienced person only can give correct answer to Ultimate reality. We are practicing for Non-Self. If there is no I, Me or Mine... there is no world or nothing left out, there should be something to be experienced after Non-self !!!....What is that, may be difficult to express...??? Some one said, it is one kind of emptiness without empty... It may be wrong... If someone experienced ultimate reality, there should be some experienced monk to authenticate. If someone doesnot know, he can directly express his inability. Or simply say it is not available in suttas, if it is not available... Why to discuss about different schools, refering suttas may be better way... please... I am sorry... Please forgive me for my comments.
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
The suttas referred to in this talk showed teachings of the Buddha, which could be interpreted as having two levels of reality. It then offered an explanation as to how these teachings could be interpreted apart from positing an elaborate ultimate reality. Different schools were mentioned because there is a history behind the development of the Abhidhamma. In the centuries after the Buddha, Indian Buddhism developed a trend of composing new texts. The development of the Abhidhammas is part of the earliest phase of this process. The Theravadan Abhidhamma is only one of many. It took positions in opposition to competing early Buddhist schools. One of these positions is that there is no self. This position is hard to distinguish from fatalism. If there is no self, then everything is an impersonal chain of phenomena. In this chain, every effect would have a previous cause. With no room for conscious choice, there would no room for altering the chain of causes and effects in the system. Then, where would the Buddha's teaching on kamma, effort, development, etc. fit in? The position has many inconsistencies. In fact, it was this position of no self that allowed Adi Shankara to defeat Buddhism in India. He exposed the position's inconsistencies and argued for a self along Hindu lines. So, this position -- codified in the Abhidhamma -- seems to have eventually made a major contribution to the destruction of Buddhism in it's homeland. The Buddha's position on self and not self is more subtle. The Buddha talk about the self as an activity. Creating a self is something that we do. In Pali, it's called ahankara mamankara. In MN 22, the Buddha also says that for there to be a self, there should be the idea of what belongs to a self and vice-versa. In other words, we create an identity through the things we attach to. When there is no attachment, there nothing by which a person can be idenified. Exists, doesn't exist, both and neither don't apply. This is what lies beyond the all. The Buddha refers to it in many ways, one of which is Nibbana. A less known way that he refers to it is as 'anidassana vinyana' or 'surfaceless consciousness' (MN 49). So, the position on 'no self' is subtle in the suttas. It is not that the Abhidhamma is something completely bad. In fact, it references impermanence and other concepts, which can serve as topics for meditation. Howerver, it's definitions of ultimate reality have the potential to distract one from the goal at hand. One may spend one's time trying memorize the characteristics of 'ultimate' reality and then 'see' it one's meditation. This can serve as a potent distraction from searching for the causes of suffering in one's own attachments/addictions. These things are often blatantly obvious, but difficult to overcome. One sees Nibbana through the overcoming of one's addictions. When one sees samsara with dispassion, disjoined from it, then one sees reality correctly.
@DhammaVinayaPatipada
@DhammaVinayaPatipada 3 ай бұрын
See the following references... *www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/selvesnotself.html *kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbGXdNylnsvViWQ.htmlsi=M_RD0y9JmwmDy7vV
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