Questioning Mormon learns REAL church history w/ John Dehlin + Carah Burrell
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Жыл бұрынA first-of-its-kind video anywhere on the internet! Show some love to my dear friend Eve as she learns about and reacts to Mormon church history about polygamy and the reasons behind Joseph Smith's death in real time. Eve asks excellent follow-up questions! (I only have smart friends).
John and I give as many sources to corroborate the evidence as we can and hope Eve and the viewers check the links in the description to look up the info for themselves! All the information is explained in the simplest terms to be understandable and sharable with the people questioning in your life, too. This is a video for all Mormons or former Mormons who are brave enough to follow the truth, wherever it leads.
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Part 1 of this series: • Top Things Mormon Miss...
Part 2 of this series: • Top Things Mormon Miss...
Gospel Topics essay on plural marriage from LDS church:
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/s...
Address of the Prophet: His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo: faenrandir.github.io/a_carefu...
In Sacred Loneliness book: tinyurl.com/bddecykb
No Man Knows My History book: tinyurl.com/4ux8kn8s
Rough Stone Rolling: tinyurl.com/yc4c9yse
Council of Fifty:
www.josephsmithpapers.org/top...
Gov Ford/Joseph Smith letters:
byustudies.byu.edu/content/vo...
History of the Church books: byustudies.byu.edu/history-of...
"Who Killled Joseph Smith" from LDS church:
history.churchofjesuschrist.o...
Mormon Stories interview with Todd Compton: mormonstories.org/podcast/mor...
Explanation of the Happiness Letter:
• Nancy Rigdon and the H...
Mormon Stories 1498: THE LIFE OF HISTORIAN FAWN MCKAY BRODIE WITH NEWELL BRINGHURST: mormonstories.org/podcast/lif...
Text of the Nauvoo Expositor:
solomonspalding.com/docs/expos...
Netflix documentary Wild Wild Country: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Wi...
@CarahBurrell Жыл бұрын
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@bebeenderson7863 Жыл бұрын
Hey Kara! (cara?) Never Mormon, former Christian here. You’re genuinely amazing and so smart. Don’t underestimate yourself, the fact you’re only 3 years into being an exmormon yet educating and inspiring so many people as a whole mother?! This is only the beginning for you. Keep striving towards your goals and don’t be afraid to not know everything. PS: Comparison is the thief of joy. You’re young, gorgeous and have so much more experiences ahead of you. Wish you happiness and success! K byeee
@randyjordan5521 Жыл бұрын
@@tucuxi70 Just keep on praying, paying, and obeying, friend. You might well be the last Mormon left on earth one day soon. By the way, how do you feel about Joseph Smith plural marrying other men's wives?
@mrtoodamngoodtoyou Жыл бұрын
@@tucuxi70 lol
@randyjordan5521 Жыл бұрын
@@tucuxi70 You didn't listen to a single word in this video, did ya Sparky. Do you approve of Joseph Smith plural marrying the wives of other active, faithful Mormon men?
@davidjanbaz7728 Жыл бұрын
@@tucuxi70 obviously your fighting against the LDS own statements which were hidden for long time , but live in the 21st century; not the 19th century cover up !
@lauraroth5776 Жыл бұрын
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain
@marquitaarmstrong399 Жыл бұрын
Mark could always hit nail on head....
@JamesW225 Жыл бұрын
Another thing mark twain said " mormonism is a theological nightmare".
@Valeriamtzp Жыл бұрын
Ad hoc since it was MT who called the book of mormon chloroform in print, and I totally agree
@MrMuaythai84 Жыл бұрын
Shut up! I converted because the missionary were hot. 😁
@noahgiddings1094 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.. Modern Christianity as a whole has been fooling people with mind control and nonsense long before Joseph Smith was around
@danielkirienko1701 Жыл бұрын
The saddest thing in the world is when she asks, "Am I going to get excommunicated for learning about this?" That means you should probably already start trying to find a way to leave.
@Learningthetruth7 Жыл бұрын
Why would a person stay once they realize who their leader is? Crazy to stay in the cult.
@venomdust1 Жыл бұрын
That hit me hard too. I felt for her . What wasn’t said …she realized that this will cost her all of her family and friends . The pain of what was not said but all three understood at that moment.
@byanymemesnecessary8848 Жыл бұрын
@Learningthetruth7 fear of being ostracized, losing family, losing community. Also, losing the entire structure you based your life on. There's so many people who want to leave who can't. You just gotta put the word put that there's community out there for those people, and people who wanna help them. More of those hold outs will get courage to leave. You just gotta be empathetic to what they may be going through.
@Sticky-Situation Жыл бұрын
@@Learningthetruth7 They brain wash you. The person doesn't even realize they are in a cult.
@Famr4evr Жыл бұрын
What about those of us who already know about this and are staying?? It is crazy that people think that the leaders of the church are infallible. We all aware imperfect, save the Savior, JESUS CHRIST.
@magicrealms5514 8 ай бұрын
Mad respect for Eve, I wish my ex-wife had been as open to questioning the church as I was when I went through my crisis of faith. Ultimately, I was divorced and excommunicated for becoming an atheist. I hope Eve has a safer family environment than I did. If nothing else, she has a good friend to lean on, which is great to see.
@user-tq3in1bx9m 7 ай бұрын
One of the biggest aspects of a cult is the shame and "inability" to get out. Scientology is not any different.
@scotthullinger4684 6 ай бұрын
@@user-tq3in1bx9m - It's no different for people who believe in ghosts. But religion is based on spirituality and correct principles as demonstrated by God, not based on worldly values. Cultish people exhibit cultish behavior. This can't be demonstrated for Mormons. People can try, but they'd need to lie, or else show examples of truly mentally ill people who seriously WOULD believe in Halloween ghosts in the same sort of way they would believe in Deity. That's how the world sees it. But such people among the religious actually don't exist - except for in the most infinitesimal proportions, the lunatics who DO believe in Halloween ghosts. I seriously cannot fathom any person who voluntarily spends countless hours making idiot videos against a church which they despise for no valid reason which they can logically articulate - Their true motivations escape me on some level. But the most basic level is that they're EVIL -
@rogeliogarcia258 3 ай бұрын
Dude, they're not giving you Eve's number.
@rickhuntling7338 Ай бұрын
you were an atheist when you were in satan's church.
@Hallahanify 27 күн бұрын
@@user-tq3in1bx9mits a cult if you cant leave with your dignity in tact
@Lynn.Panadero4242 7 ай бұрын
As a teacher of research and writing, I find the sourcing and questioning of sources very refreshing.
@anonymousone9699 5 ай бұрын
I wish all videos would be this way. Talking and giving sources for statements. How amazing! Hope more KZfaqrs take up this format. Follow 2 more girls that do this format: Khadija Mbowe and For Harriet. They are two black girls, one American, and one Gambian-Canadian. It’s so nice to relax and take in information knowing that there was good research behind what is being shared. I also get to read way more. I’m rambling ❤❤❤❤
@marklaymon6698 Жыл бұрын
Joseph wasn't losing his marbles, he was a classic case of a malignant narcissist. When they get called out or lose control, they double down on their supposed greatness.
@alexhansen6648 Жыл бұрын
Or a pious fraud. Have you read Dan Vogel’s biography on Joseph Smith?
@marklaymon6698 Жыл бұрын
@@alexhansen6648 no, I have not. Not yet anyway. I was listening to a podcast regarding how JS fits the mold for those exhibiting Malignant Narcissism. It's pretty fascinating. I can find it for you if you like.
@alexhansen6648 Жыл бұрын
@@marklaymon6698 ya I'd like to check it out
@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Жыл бұрын
oh yeah, classic malignant narc.
@kenniepennie9668 Жыл бұрын
@@marklaymon6698 scary that he started a religion of which has millions of members and a lot of power and influence 😬🥺
@acatnamedm4529 Жыл бұрын
"Am I going to be excommunicated?" That stabbed me in the heart. Eve, I wish you the best on your journey.
@karenberhow7483 Жыл бұрын
Broke my heart.
@wolfumz Жыл бұрын
mad respect for Eve. Living close to reality, that's where real happiness and genuine joy comes from.
@randilee2662 Жыл бұрын
Same. Immediate tears when she said that. This is why so many never question or look deeper.
@rpaul23455 Жыл бұрын
I became muslim a few years ago n it was the best decision of my life ever..My Iife is way better now than before. I wish everyone who has not accepted Islam will at least try it, give it a chance... Read the Quran n watch/listen to some Muslim Scholar... U won't regret it..
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
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@lisacollins5184 8 ай бұрын
I was rushed through the discussions because a Mormon man wanted to marry me. Whirlwind romancing me and I was given 6 weeks to plan my wedding ... I left the church after 5 years risking everything ... We are 2 months shy of our 31st wedding anniversary ... I'm told our marriage survival is rare.
@haveTRUEtranSparencyEMiLy 7 ай бұрын
And he’s still an active Mormon!?
@bryck7853 7 ай бұрын
@@haveTRUEtranSparencyEMiLy "I'm told our marriage survival is rare." implies that he is
@flutterg1035 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, that sounds rare. I'm happy things are better for you
@JohnDLee-im4lo 11 күн бұрын
We're always glad to see the weak dross and offal leave the church. It makes us stronger and really seems to make the posers happy.
@livea3596 10 күн бұрын
Impressively courageous.
@MichaelLivingston-me 10 ай бұрын
I wasn't inordinately pressured into joining the Church by the missionaries. I joined when I was young and a friend of someone who was a member. We talked about the Church and I met with the missionaries in Tustin California in 1973. I ended up joining the LDS Church and got caught up in the "feels" by members with good intentions. As a single man in the military, I was "shopped" around so to speak to meet people's daughters. I ended up marrying a little over one year after I was discharged from the service. It wasn't long before we started to have children (4 in all), and each of them became members. Fast forward 17 years, a separation and divorce, some really bad counseling from the local Bishop, and the cracks so to speak began to appear. I was involved in leadership positions, teaching classes, and learning more. The more I learned, just like this dear young woman is finding out, the more troubling it becomes. After you step back and look at more details, not accepting simple glossed over answers, you begin to realize the many big lies that are told, from the main leadership, down to the local level. Some friendships dissolve, but after 22 years in, it was an amazing weight that was unknown to me at the time, lifted from me. Personally, I recommend all members get past the veneer, and the home spun stories. Research should help if it's true, but as many are finding out, it's another mindless cult seeking to perpetuate itself, and its leaders will lie and obfuscate if necessary, to keep the machinery going.
@misssue1824 3 ай бұрын
Big lies? You don't give details. But wait, Is the glass half empty or half full? I'll take my "mindless cult" (not!) and the joy and peace I have found. When I get out here in "anti-land" to see what is happening, I find despair, bitterness, hatred, accusation, lies, carefully constructed semantics, missing information, secondhand accounts, use of unofficial sources as doctrine, straw-man arguments, ridicule based on a lack of knowledge of another time and culture, judgmental attitudes and anger. Sounds like the peace of God to me…(?) And no one is offering anything better. Following Christ and knowing Him and the Father is a very personal journey that requires revelation to the individual. (Mat 16:17; John 17:3). It's not some facade to put on every Sunday, or about leadership positions, or if you taught Sunday School. It's building faith and a sure witness through study and prayer. It is not found in doubting, but in seeking. See James 1:6-8; John 6:61-69. It's also your choice, which is God-given.
@karenrackleff6684 Жыл бұрын
I’m so proud of Eve ❤️❤️❤️ this is my beautiful sister and has been my only family member I can speak about things openly with since coming out as queer and leaving the church. She is so good and kind. Thank you Carah and John for creating this space while being kind and thanks to all you people commenting kind words to Eve. I know we all feel for everyone in a faith crisis rn
@showcrazy2139 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you two have each other!
@CarahBurrell Жыл бұрын
Aw yayyayayayyay! ❤️❤️
@infiniteneedle9845 Жыл бұрын
Sending you and your sister caring thoughts as she goes through this. I am glad to see that at least one family member will be there to support her. Reading the D and C, especially the verses discussing polygamy, during seminary my senior year of high school is what led me out of the church. (And I only thought Joseph Smith at 14 or 15 wives at the time.) I am the only person in my family to have left but fortunately my spouse is never-mo.
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤ love you Karen. You’re the best.
@rickyjohnson7591 Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
@cuppasilverbullets Жыл бұрын
I’m not a Mormon but if Eve was my daughter I would be so proud of her.
@WorldOfTess2024 Жыл бұрын
I always volunteer to be 'the spare Auntie/Mom/Gramma who thinks you [you=anyone getting dumped by their family for such ridiculous reasons] are awesome." ❤❤❤
@S.M.E.A.C Жыл бұрын
If you WERE a Mormon you'd hate her guts. That's the point.
@mcblu9344 Жыл бұрын
No you wouldn’t. It’s sad what happens to people by their family when they go down this path….
@wpaia 10 ай бұрын
And then you questioned religion in general and realized everything is a lie😅 history will set you you free
@justkiddin84 9 ай бұрын
@@mcblu9344I think she gets that. She is comparing and contrasting. And you cannot speak for all family members. This young woman is questioning while she supports family members who left.
@ardidsonriente2223 9 ай бұрын
The back and forth of honest questions and honest answers about truly serious and important topics... this is incredibly refreshing and moving and wholesome, and powerful, even when the events discussed ended being so sad. Congratulations on your efforts to discover and share the truth. You three are awesome.
@phillisob 8 ай бұрын
I know this is very late, but in case you ever see this, Eve, you're absolutely incredible. You're so intelligent and courageous to upend the foundation upon which your life was built. We out here love and support you through your faith crisis.❤
@Morqana 11 ай бұрын
Eve is BRAVE for doing this interview. I know im a stranger- but im SO proud of her. It's not easy to question your own deepest beliefs, especially when it's all you've known. Keep seeking truth 👏👏👏
@jenn005 9 ай бұрын
They said it themselves in this video, ppl have been excommunicated just for knowing and trying to share the truth. She’s risking losing everything just to find the truth. THAT is bravery.
@j.b.8379 8 ай бұрын
Remember when they called christ a vagabond and executed believers as blasphemous monsters...... And yes .. cultist
@michaelstart7331 8 ай бұрын
So brave like I’m not a biologist but I think she’s as brave as the people on d day.
@Zuzuboy1218 7 ай бұрын
I agree I have a fascination with religion. I study it as an outsider. She was asked if she knew what cognitive dissonance was and she said I have lots of that. That type of self awareness took me a lot of psychotherapy, a lot of mushrooms and well into my 40s to obtain and she just has it. It’s amazing ….amazing young girl.
@DenouncingDeception546 5 ай бұрын
The information they get from research is just lies
@bipolarrambling242 Жыл бұрын
I have a seriously traumatic memory of telling a 16 year old girl that Joseph was a polygamist. She angrily told me I was wrong, pushed back repeatedly (even rudely) when I tried to discuss it, and then cried when I showed her the church website. I don't know what happened to that girl (who would now be a woman), but I think about her often. It made me feel dirty to have to be the one to tell her that. I felt as if I was the one breaking her heart. I have to remind myself that I didn't do that, Joseph did with his actions, and the church did with their lies and half-truths.
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
Thanks you so much for taking your weakness and confusion out from among us. We would have thrown you out eventually.
@ATD1990 Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352wow that's a very unloving thing to say
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
@@ATD1990 Well, I just thought I would add to the very "loving" post about my faith...wow
@ATD1990 Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 I didn't see anything hateful just because someone doesn't believe what you do doesn't make it hateful. Plus as a follower of Christ aren't we supposed to turn the other cheek.
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
@@ATD1990 Lies, half-truths, etc. No...I guess it was all loving...my bad.
@whatdidijustvotefor 7 ай бұрын
Goodness, I am so impressed with Eve and so proud of her. My own deconstruction was a slooooooww burn. I felt for her so much during this interview.
@ellemarr7234 10 ай бұрын
I’m about 25 minutes in and I commend Eve so much. I have never been someone of faith so I can only imagine what would happen if all of a sudden I had this complete shift and asked questions. I just wish more people could be as gentle and kind as everyone here. Understanding and assuming people are coming from a good place can only help our society
@michaelstart7331 8 ай бұрын
Meh, you can’t really judge a group of people surrounded by like minded people. Nazis don’t seam so bad in a room full of nazis.
@YogiTheBearMan 3 ай бұрын
This would be so hard to do while being recorded! I commend her too! Not to mention when they didn’t answer her question about how they know he married so many! Need to pull up the diagram from CES letter that shows their names and color codes them by whether they were already married, where they were related to each other, etc.
@bookslikewhoa Жыл бұрын
Wow, cannot overstate the respect that I have for Eve's curiosity and vulnerability here - it takes so much fortitude to ask hard questions and listen to hard answers
@indigoblue4791 Жыл бұрын
Agreed!!
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
Y’all are so kind. Thank you. It means a lot.
@jflivingston Жыл бұрын
Curiosity about 23 years late! Her parents should be imprisoned for child abuse and she should, too, if she stays with the morons!
@tingzing5668 Жыл бұрын
I happened upon this episode 3 months later and came to comment the exact same thing! Any part of deconstructing a deeply held belief or any fundamental aspect of one's life and identity is so incredibly hard and painful. It's almost impossible for people to do. Just a willingness to have these conversations is admirable; doing it on a podcast and modeling a genuine desire to know and be open to what's true is an honest to god good deed ...an incredible show of emotional and mental strength, humility, and wisdom.
@ec9833 Жыл бұрын
@@tingzing5668 it really is an absolutely frightening step to take forward, willfully. I really hope that education spreads faster and faster as to what’s behind these universal experiences in us humans as I feel it’s incredibly validating, gives a person an automatic community they’re a part of instead of this overwhelming feeling of being so alone in it & just gives a set of expectations of what they’ll likely experience, taking some/a lot of that fear out of the experience. That our innate curiosity has been so vilified as one of the ultimate threats to our existence is an absolute crime against our humanity. That our minds are so often hijacked through threat, whether it be overtly or, I think worse, through manipulation & soft whispers…is what spiritual death, murder even, truly is comprised of. So much undue suffering…and certainly not just in the LDS church. Nothing new here.
@dustinchristensen4025 Жыл бұрын
My ancestor literally married a third wife from Sweden who spoke no English and he tried to abandon his first two wives and 9 children by heading to Mexico after the ban on polygamy happened. So disturbing. She was basically trafficked to be his caretaker in his old age since she had nursing experience.
@CarahBurrell Жыл бұрын
WOW.
@michellemarie3214 Жыл бұрын
my ancestors 3rd wife also was Swedish & spoke very little English. He was 52 yrs old she was in her 20s.
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
Your ancestors weep for you.
@danalley6376 Жыл бұрын
This is basically why I have Swedish ancestry too
@mathyfive Жыл бұрын
Did your ancestor leave a history or a diary? I would love to read it.
@allzeenamesaretaken 7 ай бұрын
It’s so great coming back to this knowing she’s out 🎉 🙌 so brave Eve. You have my deepest respects for doing what you did. Great job!
@sierracclanell2299 4 ай бұрын
How do you know she’s out? Just curious
@davidmerrell5561 8 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure Eve was in my ward at BYU. Regardless, I admire Eve’s courage for opening her mind. Questioning the faith of my upbringing (and eventually leaving it) is the hardest thing I’ve ever done
@jonnifave4681 6 ай бұрын
You already out? I’m learning a lot of things
@Marxnchill 10 ай бұрын
What gives me hope is that despite eves conditioned brain tirelessly trying to find a way out of believing these difficult truths, she stays curious and listens. Her brain pushes back over and over yet she stays and doesn’t leave or shut down. That’s a strong spirit.
@YogiTheBearMan 3 ай бұрын
It’s impressive to me how well she handled all this new info in such a short period and on camera
@audrastevens5061 Жыл бұрын
Her crying at the beginning absolutely tore my heart. It reminded me of when I first learned about the church not being true & realizing everything I've been taught is false. My heart goes out to her. I appreciate all the questions she's asking.
@rottweilerfun9520 Жыл бұрын
It's got to be tough to realize that everything you believe is a scam. Did you figure it out all at once , or was it gradual ?
@scottmattern482 Жыл бұрын
@@rottweilerfun9520i would imagine that once the evidence became overwhelming that some of it was false, it immediately became apparent that it was all false. I mean, you either believe something or you don't. At least, that's how it was for me and catholicism.
@frankclough380 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine anything better than having it demonstrated to me that everything I know is wrong, it would be fantastic! I would be like "bring it on, tell me about this higher level of knowledge that outclasses that which I already know". I would be a better person for knowing something I previously did not and would be happy someone shone light in my darkness. Why should anyone be unhappy about reaching a higher level of knowledge when the opposite is true, enlightenment is cause for celebration.
@S.M.E.A.C Жыл бұрын
frankclough380-Moronic take. It's like finding out at 25 your mother,father,4 sisters aren't actually related to you and your entire life has been a lie.
@frankclough380 Жыл бұрын
@@S.M.E.A.C It's how I regarded my exit from Roman Catholicism. Why get miserable about leaving idiot garbage behind and gaining a better understanding of and approach to reality?
@michaelcaza6766 8 ай бұрын
LDS missionaries black listed me years ago because I did my homework (I have family who are temple presidents, mission presidents, and bishops and I’ve asked for all the literature they could give me). I never joined the church, but had a hand in helping others out of the church (including missionaries which is why I was blacklisted). Keep up the great work!
@reddblackjack 7 ай бұрын
Good for you! I know I look at them missionaries differently these days. As a kid I thought they were dorky and annoying. Now I'm sad because these guys are mislead, misguided, and misused. I hate when people's ignorance is exploited.
@rascal342 5 ай бұрын
How can I help others out of the church?
@YogiTheBearMan 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. there were many people on my mission that helped me learned to question things, even though it took me like 15 years after my mission to really open my mind. One person pointed out that what I was saying was “circular logic”. Many pointed out that humans are emotional, you can’t trust your emotions to tell you what’s “true”. Using the same logic, Muffasah is a prophet because I felt the spirit while watching Lion King. One person who told me we worship a man, and he was right! The majority of people who stopped reading the Book of Mormon when God tells Nephi to kill someone. The majority of people who never came back to church after they witnessed a testimony meeting. To all these people, thank you.
@misssue1824 3 ай бұрын
How were you blacklisted? You make it all sound to sinister and "in the know" with secret sources from insiders.
@misssue1824 3 ай бұрын
@@rascal342 How about letting people make their own choices?
@kylefarris524 9 ай бұрын
I really hope there is a part 2, this was amazing. Seeing Eve thinking about this is in real time is the everyone should approach any challenge to their beliefs. Very Inspiring.
@gracetaylor6309 Жыл бұрын
Watching Eve’s face throughout this video was such a journey and I can’t help but empathize with how hard this is. Big props to Eve for the courage to listen and learn so much in such a short amount of time. That was a lot.
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
Thank you ❤❤
@randyjordan5521 Жыл бұрын
@@everpearce Hi, Eve. I invite you to read my posts with links to info in this comment section. You are going through what my wife and I went through a quarter of a century ago. We were horrified at the aspects of church history that the church tries to prevent us from learning. Stay strong, and I wish you all the best. Is your husband taking this okay?
@maynardmckillen9228 10 ай бұрын
Eve is the face of courage and integrity.
@Creative_Kristi Жыл бұрын
“Am I going to be excommunicated?” Just gut punched me. I just want to give Eve a hug. I was only Mormon for 5 years (convert, with my husband and 3 minor children, we all left at the same time too) but I really have empathy for those that have only know this their whole life and suddenly it is being turned upside down. Eve, you are so brave and I really thank you for your honesty and openness and very good questions!
@guitarandrums Жыл бұрын
If you don’t mind my asking, how do you convert to something like this in the first place?
@jflivingston Жыл бұрын
She should count herself lucky, but it's a typical drone question. She'll probably eventually follow some other false prophet (profit?) I hear catholics need some believers!
@guitarandrums Жыл бұрын
@@jflivingston do you get off on being an condescending cynical cunt?
@Janiceleatham2112 Жыл бұрын
Seriously....Did you miss the part on they don't reveal the truth.
@jflivingston Жыл бұрын
@@Janiceleatham2112 A hell of a lot ruder than the comment to which you objected! Anybody worried about excommunication from any religion is absolutely a brain dead drone!
@anglicanway 6 ай бұрын
A sincere thank you to your guest, Eve, for her candid honesty and vulnerability. How genuine! I teared up. I can't imagine the emotional stress of having one's worldview turned upside down. God bless her! Thank you for your work.
@ewahgee 9 ай бұрын
This was the most interesting dialogue I've listened to in a very long time. Thank you for opening up Eve and thanks to Cara for being so authentic, a good friend but not let things left unspoken
@baylenwest3465 Жыл бұрын
Ex-Mormon myself, and I can see the exhaustion settling in on Eve as the interview goes on and things really hit her. Proud of her for taking this step and wishing her the best.
@hosscat1829 Жыл бұрын
This will take all confusion away! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNihnsR838W3g5s.html&feature=share
@valerienelson3296 11 ай бұрын
Go Eve ❤❤ I can also see her pain 😢
@justkiddin84 9 ай бұрын
This is hard for her and hard to watch. Lots of very nice people are being lied to by cults of all kinds-political, business, religious, personality. People who are born into it have no where to stand when they realize. Having help on the outside, and compassion, is really important.
@Thor-Orion 9 ай бұрын
@@justkiddin84Truth of the highest order there, friend. I think that even beyond the goodly people, there are those behaving wickedly BECAUSE of this obfuscation and it’s false teachers. So even those who appear to be acting unseemly may come into the light of unity against the subjugation of our peoples.
@susanlett9632 9 ай бұрын
I felt bad because when my husband was stationed in Idaho we had an LDS neighbor and I think I caused their divorce. She was totally obsessed with LDS and her husband seemed miserable. One day discussing the church i said "Garth. D you REALLY believe you'll be a god??" He got depressed and said "I gotta get outta this mess" we moved off base to a home in town. We purchased it. I saw him a few months after that happened and they were divorced. He did look happier but I still felt bad
@texassmokingmonkey Жыл бұрын
Always be cautious around those who say “don’t ask any questions, ever.”
@Famr4evr Жыл бұрын
We are told to question everything. I have always been inquisitive. I have known all of this and will continue to be a strong member of the Church of Jesus Christ and a follower of the Savior.
@budoboy1977 11 ай бұрын
@@Famr4evr Honest question: With what doctrinal questions have you actually confronted the leadership? Have you ever really pressed the leadership of the LDS church to back up certain doctrinal claims? In my experience, it's really easy to say "we are told to question everything" and, at the same time, not question things because the leadership makes it seem like certain things are beyond any question. By the way, I am not a Mormon, but I have seen similar "truth control" tactics in the Evangelical Christian churches that I have been a part of. If you press the leadership on certain things (usually on money issues), first they will give you really surface level information. Then, if you ask for more detailed information, they will ask you why you want to know the information (as if you are wanting the information to expose something that they are doing). Then the last tactic is usually to tell you that you need to shut up and just trust the Elders of the church because they are placed in a position of leadership over you. That last part is a really good tactic to keep people from really asking questions.
@ranielyfire 10 ай бұрын
@@budoboy1977I always found these stories of churches hiding the finances from member really interesting. When it was tax return time, my father who is a pastor, would ALWAYS give a detailed break down of the church’s income and expenses including percentage given to him as personal income
@Werrf1 4 ай бұрын
Be even more cautious around those who say "Ask us lots of questions, but we are the only trustworthy source".
@misssue1824 3 ай бұрын
@@budoboy1977 That ain't how it works and this gal doesn't just blindly follow. The Spirit can confirm or give warning. Sounds crazy? Probably. Like describing colors to a blind person.
@amberselectronics 6 ай бұрын
I think it's cool that she questioned everything so heavily for sources, because I think those are a lot of the questions that people who are leaving would have and it helps to see that broken down. Would've helped me for sure.
@Puppies-z9h 8 ай бұрын
I grew up very secular so I don't know what it's like to go through this, and it doesn't give me any pleasure to watch someone go through it even from my very distant perspective. But I really respect people who follow the truth wherever it leads them.
@112462112 Жыл бұрын
I have been a Latter Day “Aint” since 1996. I was a convert to “The Church” in 1983. Watching Eve’s facial expressions and eyes, and particularly listening to her line of questioning during this conversation took me back to when I had my own “awakening”. I was right there with her. It was painful. I knew I was watching the foundation of a persons core beliefs crumbling. Everything she has based her life and life choices on being ripped from her soul. She was so stoic. Her family, her friends, her husband, her reason for getting out of bed every morning suddenly all had a giant question mark on them. “Will I be excommunicated?” Could also have been followed by “will my family, friends, husband etc. abandon me? Where do I go from here? What do I do? What is my purpose? WHAT HAVE I DONE!?” We all want the truth to be known. We all want lies exposed. We all want our LDS brothers and sisters to know the truth and be out from under the heal of “The Church” but this was sad. Necessary but very sad. On the other hand the truth WILL set her free so there should be joy. For Eve (and every LDS person who goes through this) that joy can be a long time coming. It’s a joy that is preceded by a great deal of hurt. Eve, I have never seen anyone handle this information and the possible ramifications with so much grace and courage. God bless you! Better days lie ahead. Please keep that in your mind and heart.
@atxwelder1589 Жыл бұрын
Are you part of another denomination now, or… no?
@charisma-hornum-fries Жыл бұрын
@@atxwelder1589Still waiting for the answer to that one.
@frankclough380 Жыл бұрын
@@charisma-hornum-fries The thing about denominations is they are all wrong. There is no point changing them since the one you join is as wrong as the one you left so you might as well not go through all the bother and stay where you are.
@koltoncrane3099 Жыл бұрын
@@frankclough380 i was just going to say that. It's like these people leave mormonism. That's great whatever. But like whenever I hear someone say I left mormons to be x,y,z, christian I just slap my forehead and think hmm. It's like some people bring up great arguments against mormons. I've thought long about them. But it's like sure mormons did polygamy. Leave the church that's awesome, but for the love of god put down and quite being a bible thumper, too. It's like people forget judah had his two sons murdered by god for not impregnating their sister in law committing incest. It's like that's way more cultish than anything i've seen in mormonism. It's like WTFZZZ? Then judah knocks her up as she plays a harlot, and judah wants to kill her but shes like hey dude. I got the stick or some stuff of the dude that knocked me up and it was judahs crap proving he really should have been killed along with her since they both fornicated or did adultery. I don't know if judah was married at the time can't remember. But it's like how can someone leave mormonism over big issues, but then totally be fine with just as big issues or worse in the bible. It's like man talk about cognitive dissonance like mental gymnastics. Then ya got moses being a magician and jews and the kaballah believing in like 26 gods in some groups. Makes me wonder did jesus grow up in some weird beliefs like that since he was a nazarene taking oaths there.
@karendickman3208 11 ай бұрын
@@frankclough380not true. Seek a church that teaches from the Bible. Period
@sleepycalico Жыл бұрын
This feels like one of the most important episodes you have ever done. Eve asks such intelligent thoughtful questions, and the answers and sources are so readily to hand. Best wishes on your journey, Eve.
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤ thank you 😢
@ZelfFS 6 ай бұрын
I was born and raised LDS and I remember how difficult it was for me to make the ultimate decision that the church was not the right place for me. I battled myself for 3-4 years before I feel like I fully accapted that it was not the right church
@laierr 8 ай бұрын
Looking at Eve reminds me of how I met my wife. She was in the cult, her mother brought her there when she was 7. She even studied the private school in the Cult, where they taught her all the weird conspiracy theories. When I met her, we were in our late 20s, and she had her doubts, but most of her peers were from the cult so she had no one to talk to about it. And we were talking in length about things she was brought to believe in. And it was genuinely scary to see how her whole world was collapsing. All the things she thought were solid foundations were crumbling under her fingers. All the straws she was grasping so desperately turned out to be a rotten mess. After all of our discussions she was so exhausted, she cried on my shoulder for hours. That was heartbreaking. And in the process, we fell in love so bad, that even a decade later, I can't believe that we are so lucky to have each other.
@tastyandfriends7074 7 ай бұрын
Very beautiful bro ❤
@DalgGlidjBlimlimlim Жыл бұрын
Eve has all the makings of an amazing critical thinker. I hope she keeps asking those questions!
@riversong1 11 ай бұрын
Eve IS an amazing critical thinker
@daixer3156 8 ай бұрын
She should ask God. Why ask mere mortals with hateful agendas?
@TheSchmuel 7 ай бұрын
@@daixer3156 Seeking the truth of history is hateful? Id lean toward a church hiding the truth for 150 years as hateful..
@raigenhuss7030 7 ай бұрын
@@daixer3156in every one of your comments you are blindly defending the church. Did you even watch the video? Have you done your own research?
@daixer3156 7 ай бұрын
@@raigenhuss7030 yes, I've asked g GOD humbly as a young man and got the answer str8 from The Man! So profound cuz I wasn't expecting it. But I can see you haven't even done that. You blame on human error of GOD your maker?
@na3rial 10 ай бұрын
I have so much respect to Eve for being brave enough to do this, even more so for doing it in a public forum. It's devastating to have your world view shifted like this, especially when it's something that literally your entire life, your family, your morals are rooted in. I hope the best for Eve in the future
@Jim-ub3bp 7 ай бұрын
I am just seeing this now and as I listened, I felt a connection to Eve. I was not introduced into the church until 8 y/o. Long story short, I always had questions but had no resources or support network to help me challenge anything. Met a girl at a church owned school who convinced me to live more by faith, and I did. She then convinced me to go on a mission, which I did. I was assigned to Ventura CA. At the MTC,, and after being through the temple a few times, my eyes were opened. I challenged teachers, fellow companions etc., and it made me question myself. I ended up in CA and lasted three months, talked to my companion (also DL), mission president. I poured out my soul that I was in the wrong place for the wrong reasons and did not believe the gospel. I demanded to be released. MP refused to do that. Gave me the tough love kind of treatment. I responded that I would not stay if he refused to release me. Why was I not excomm. I will never know. I closed my bank account, packed my stuff and literally walked away, got on a bus and went home. I walked away from CA, the church, and did what was best for me. I don't regret it, never have. I have mad respect for Eve to open her mind. Eve, don't apologize for anything you believe and/or discover. Sorry I know this wasn't a short story.... 😊
@alisterrebelo9013 7 ай бұрын
Did you end up walking away from Jesus as well as the LDS Church?
@JohnDLee-im4lo 11 күн бұрын
I'm always amazed that the Mormons would send such a weak vessel into the mission field to represent them. We're always glad to see the weak dross and offal leave the church. It makes us stronger and really seems to make the posers happy.
@evelyncurtis9584 8 ай бұрын
I'd love an update on Eve and how she's feeling. This is such a heartbreaking situation. Deconstructing the church is incredibly sad and difficult.
@zuzumontague 7 ай бұрын
Carah did an update on Eve tonight. Eve left the church and is happy.
@disguisedcentennial835 6 ай бұрын
I hope everyone here becomes a Christian (we don’t recognize the Mormons). She was never wrong that Jesus is Lord; she was only wrong on what that meant. We believe Jesus _is_ God, and our forefathers after Christ’s Ascension were all killed declaring that.
@kodigemma3359 6 ай бұрын
@@disguisedcentennial835You don’t speak for all Christians. You may not recognize Mormonism as a Christian sect, but other Christians (including me) certainly do. I am a Never Mormon and I lifelong Christian. But that gives me no right to say who else is Christian or who is not. And this is no place to proselytize. It isn’t helpful for people grappling with their own deconstruction and it actually does the opposite of what you intend. It’s disrespectful and pushes people away.
@YogiTheBearMan 3 ай бұрын
I hope everyone here chooses whatever makes them happy. Life is too short and afterlife is not certain
@disguisedcentennial835 3 ай бұрын
@@YogiTheBearMan life is short in the face of eternity, and what you do in this life will have repercussions on the thereafter. Christ’s reign _is_ certain, and so is his love for you.
@kathleenwindasgoodwin9165 Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to Eve. She has such a wide range of emotions, from disbelief, incredible sadness, curiosity, just trying to process information, etc.
@anthonylewis62 Жыл бұрын
IF SHE WANTS THE TRUTH, I GOT ONE BIT OF ADVICE FOR HER, READ YOUR BIBLE ALL THE TRUTH YOU NEED IS IN THERE, AND IT DOES SAY WE ADD NOTHING OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT, WHEN ANY CHURCH USES A BOOK, BESIDES THE BIBLE TO BASE THEIR FAITH, ITS A CULT!!!!!!! PERIOD
@codybonnet Жыл бұрын
People have said the internet is a "bad thing". Well, that "bad thing" is what helped me become free of being in an Evangelical cult growing up. The truth shall set you free!
@wilfdarr Жыл бұрын
Every time I hear that verse, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free," it makes me want to scream "that's not how truth works!"
@cyclemadness 8 ай бұрын
The internet is like many things. There's bad that comes with the good.
@beetroot_chutney 10 ай бұрын
Being able to continually question your own beliefs and perception based on your ongoing learning is true humility.
@daixer3156 8 ай бұрын
The LDS church actually encourages that!
@Beth-mi2hf 7 ай бұрын
@@daixer3156lol
@AJ-ib4oy 4 ай бұрын
The church doesn’t teach that. I’ve been told several times in church not to read anything that’s not produced by the church concerning the church. They called it anti Mormon materials. But that was just a way to keep people from the truth.
@brigade7678 4 ай бұрын
I wish Eve so much comfort and love as she volunteered through this process and where it took her. And I would watch 100 more videos like this, this is painfully healing, and all i can think of is all the loved ones and ward members and strangers even that all deserve this information.
@nancyangell6797 Жыл бұрын
Thank-you! I was alone in my conversation and exiting of the LDS church from 17 years old to around 27 years. I’m now 58 and listening to you has comforted me. My awakening was in my mid 20’s when I realized what was supposed to a quickening of the spirit was actually what I call my liedar. This feeling that I couldn’t ignore would happen every time my husband (now wasbanded) would lie to me. Boy, did I feel foolish! I have repented (giggle) from foolishness and am continuing to recover. In my mid 30’s some missionary’s knock on my door and I let them come in. I informed them them that I had no interest and have already been through it all. They were very kind. They listened and asked if there was anything they could do for me. I said sure, “could you get my name removed from the church?” And they helped get that done. My life has been amazing ever since. I’m grateful for those two good guys who knocked on my door that day.
@emyyyxx Жыл бұрын
i’m shocked they did that for you! i hope they are doing ok ❤
@sheilahall9814 Жыл бұрын
My Fourth Great Grandpa was one of those in the high council who submitted a sworn affidavit in the Expositor confirming that Hyrum revealed polygamy in 1843 to the high council. He was later cut off for apostasy. I am proud of him for speaking for speaking out.
@shaunameyer1808 Жыл бұрын
Wow! He mist have been very strong in his morals.
@andrewreed4216 2 ай бұрын
My heart goes out to Eve. Yes, it's a lot to take on, things that should be questioned and challenged. I'm still active but was ever so glad to have looked deeper into history. My testimony isn't based on Joseph Smith's choices in life, just the connection to spiritual experiences. I've had spiritual experiences all my life, and it continues to challenge my understanding of reality. My hope is that we can all find clarity and peace one day.
@NotUnymous 9 ай бұрын
Wow, Eve is such a brave person to do this!! Much respect. And so important to always ask questions :-)
@KALAPANAPOCHIHANALEI Жыл бұрын
I love Eve sm. She's from my mission and she's one of my dearest friends❤❤ it's definitely a hard journey but so worth it. She demonstrates such intelligence, kindness, openness, authenticity, vulnerability and courage. You are so loved Eve! 🐈
@corinnescott1516 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever watched on Mormon history. I think watching someone question in real time brings a relatable element to it. I’ve been an exmo for 10 years and I still found myself saying “wtf” to the info on Joseph Smith Lol Amazing job, Carah! ❤
@sdfotodude Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is a great format. Use GTE's as your best faithful resource Her poor head is going to explode.
@elayneblystone7889 Жыл бұрын
She is brave. Must be sp hard for her. When I left tge RC church it was tough. Can sympathize. But finding Jesus and committing my life to Him was worth it. John 3:16 Move forward! 😇🙏💗
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
Whole decade later and here you still are...pathetically bashing a faith you claim to have rejected all that time ago. You sound like you have unfinished business with the Mormons. You need to move on already.
@sdfotodude Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 personally I would be embarrassed and angry that people I should have been able to trust purposefully lied to me and my family for decades and decades. Once the church has raped you I'm pretty sure you're not going to forgive and forget.
@Ms.Prairie 6 ай бұрын
1:25:33 Beautiful sentiment and wording, Dr. Dehlin! I wish I could have you as a philosophy/theology professor. Much love to all three of you. Carah, you got a new subscriber! ❤ I’m excited to watch the update (after I take a mental/emotional break 😂❤)
@BirdDogg 7 ай бұрын
The saddest part to me is the emotional doubt a cult instills in its members. She’s still so resistant even though in her mind she knows they aren’t lying to her.
@kathybookout2512 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for all you do. I’m deconstructing from being a Jehovah Witness
@declaredjeans7555 8 ай бұрын
When you "deconstruct" from Jehovah Witness, do you become an atheist, or do you go to another branch of Christianity? I've always wondered if people just substitute their previous faith with another.
@BlueberryBumblebees 8 ай бұрын
@@declaredjeans7555it really depends on the person. Some people turn from religion, viewing them all is different shades of the same grift, and others find comfort in other religions.
@Mikewins904 8 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ is the answer, the Bible is where you need to turn to, some books I recommend to help anyone is Evidence that Demands a verdict by Josh McDowell and then Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin
@BlueberryBumblebees 8 ай бұрын
@@Mikewins904 stop harassing vulnerable people who are themselves just leaving a cult, and stop pushing your own religion down other people’s throats.
@Mikewins904 8 ай бұрын
@@BlueberryBumblebees I will never stop sharing objective truth and the love of Christ
@gregoryroberts9230 11 ай бұрын
Eve is so smart! Great questions and answers from everyone. As a lifelong member of 36 years, I am just now learning the truth. There is so much information in the Gospel Topics essays alone that I never knew because nobody taught it or talked about it in the church. Reading the essays about plural marriage set off all kinds of alarms in my head like, "Wait, what?! That doesn't make sense. And this doesn't make sense." and on and on like that throughout the essay. Then I started deep diving into the actual history of the church and discovered that everything I was taught was a lie! My world shattered, and I am still picking up the pieces. But I am glad to know the truth now, because the truth is ultimately more important to me than anything else. Bottom line: I'm done with Mormonism. I can not align myself with a religion built on sex trafficking and racism.
@justkiddin84 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations! And…..Be wary! A whole lot of things are based on sex trafficking, racism, and greed. Like a LOT of organizations. When you start following threads it gets scary. There are some really good podcasts which highlight all that. Conspirituality, OSS (Our Strange Skies), and The Nonsense Bazaar. Warning for language and adult conversations on that last one. The UFO community, the ‘New Age’ community, and many others are based on some really awful people and practices. And, like in the LDS, the folks within very often have no idea.♥️✌️
@mindyssticktogether 9 ай бұрын
I learned the truth reading Under the Banner of Heaven in 2003. There is no unlearning when your eyes are opened.
@j.b.8379 8 ай бұрын
Remember when they called christ a vagabond and executed believers as blasphemous monsters...... And yes .. cultist
@wkinne1 8 ай бұрын
The Old Testament is full of stories' much worse than these. We are human, Church leaders are human, to expect more from them is to try to make them more than human, they are not. If man were perfect we would not need Christ in our lives, show me one Church that does not have horrible tales in their history. There are good Mormons and bad Mormons, there are good people in all Churches and bad people in all Churches. A wise man one said, never judge a book by its cover.
@michaelstart7331 8 ай бұрын
Ya so smart, smarter than chat gpt. Not as hot as chat gpt but still smart
@pathfinder1273 7 ай бұрын
Eve, I have an ocean of respect for you to allow yourself to put yourself in this position. As a person of faith myself, I know how easy it is to reject criticism of something you love so much.
@communistsharks6889 10 ай бұрын
Wow, Eve being so open and vulnerable right at the start was so impactful. Really emphasizes the human cost of these huge structures the Mormon church has upheld for centuries now. Good on her for making this leap of faith, it’s so brave!!
@caseyjude5472 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate Eve’s vulnerability & honesty. I mean, for real, this is no small thing. Correct time code: 38:36 - “Am I going to get excommunicated?” That broke me. Made me sad for her & angry at the system that instills this kind of fear. Am I going to lose my family, my marriage, my kids, my community or my salvation because I learned things the church has on its website & read books from its own bookstore? Physical & sexual abuse is illegal, and sometimes even emotional abuse can be assessed in a court of law. But spiritual abuse? Why is spiritual abuse legal? I can guess why, that question is somewhat rhetorical. This video is going to help many, many people. For reals. Thank you Eve. Thanks Carah & John as well, stellar collab per usual. ❤
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
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@richardprice9979 Жыл бұрын
Joseph did not wish to bring forward plural marriage. An Angel came to him telling him he would be replaced if he didn't. My great aunt, Emma Price died in NAUVOO because she could not take care of herself. She was single and 18. Single women, were brought into families, given legal rights, and children. My great grand father was asked to bring a another wife by his first wife into their marriage as a second wife. You talk about sex like it is dirty. It is not when under the covenant of God.
@caseyjude5472 Жыл бұрын
@@richardprice9979 There’s no dirty sex under the covenant of god? None? BoooorrrinG
@sipho22 Жыл бұрын
@@richardprice9979 You missed the whole point... In a nut shell, it's all made up. Joseph was just like any other cult leader. I hate to be the barer of bad news (not really) but there was no angel that came to Joseph. I am sure there were people who died because they couldn't take care of themselves... That still happens nowadays. But I don't have to marry and have sex with the people in order to help them.
@randyjordan5521 Жыл бұрын
@@richardprice9979 If you believe Joseph's story about the angel threatening him, you deserve to have 10% of your income extorted from you for the rest of your life.
@notsparks Жыл бұрын
Ex-mormon here. It's not just converts and missionaries not told a lot of this. They keep it from a lot of devout members to keep them devout. It is part of the business model. Recently our bishop (I still get emails every week from the local ward) was concerned about my not tithing and actually said, if it's a matter of choosing between food and tithing I should choose to tithe so I can go to the temple again and because they can allow me to use the bishops storehouse or cannery (I guess it's now called a Home Storage Center).
@knowthycell 10 ай бұрын
I have never been asked about tithing in all my Protestant church going. Edit: not individually. Of course sermons on it
@sweetlorikeet 9 ай бұрын
Eve asked such great questions. When she started learning new facts her follow-ups were excellent.
@daixer3156 8 ай бұрын
Best one was "how does he have time to do this.." that is the most logically question. He can't possibly having sex with 30 women when he's the President/Prophet of the Church. He has too much stuff to do for him to have that many wife's.
@pillettadoinswartsh4974 5 ай бұрын
"Money. Sex. Power: How to get them. How to keep them." - by Joseph Smith AKA "The Book of Mormon"
@billiondollardan Жыл бұрын
When Eve started talking about the difficulty of finding out the truth about the church, it hit pretty hard. That's exactly what it's like. The foundation you built your life on crumbles and you wonder who in you family will leave you behind. It brought tears to my eyes dammit
@Freespiritarts Жыл бұрын
A man does not have “ an affair” with a 16 year old servant in the barn. It was rape then and now.
@codename495 Жыл бұрын
But God dm’ed and said it was chill.
@paullefevre8684 6 ай бұрын
I wish Carah and John were around some 40 years ago, when I (as a newly returned missionary) began realizing I'd been lied to, and that I didn't believe the church's claims anymore. Having such impeccably researched information and sources would have been really, really helpful. But I'm glad you're around now to help others! Keep it up. To Eve...you're very brave, and I'm really grateful for your honesty and emotions in this video. Can I just point out that what John and Carah do isn't "anti-mormon?" It's honesty. It's not "anti" anything. I wish you all the best in your seeking of honesty.
@honeyb.981 9 ай бұрын
Girl, a lot of the things they're telling me about, I learned at BYU in the Foundations of the Restoration class. That was what did me in faith wise. Hearing it from the sources and having to realize things like oh wow, Joseph Smith actually did say women could bless each other with laying on of hands for healing, only for that to be taken away from women in later times, just made me feel so hurt. I deconstructed to the point where I said I was done just through my own learning and education from church sources. I didn't watch Mormon Stories until after I had officially decided I was done
@vibratinggoddess1111 Жыл бұрын
Can’t we just make a billboard in Utah saying did you know the man who help write the Book of Mormon was excommunicated for telling about Joseph smith’s affair Omg
@maryogan215 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@MrWeezy312 Жыл бұрын
that might actually work put it up in Salt lake city near the temple they have.
@vibratinggoddess1111 Жыл бұрын
@@MrWeezy312 I’m super close! I wonder how much it would be!
@bryansmith7238 Жыл бұрын
Gotta find one the church doesn't own.
@Untamedshrew83 Жыл бұрын
I’d chip in on that. I live in N. Utah.
@heathercampbell8209 10 ай бұрын
Please give Eve lots of aftercare and integration support somehow. She is drinking from a firehouse here. What a brave, brave soul.
@stevenstewart3414 10 ай бұрын
Eve is so real and authentic. I feel so sympathetic to her situation. But she is strong and brave and very, earnest and honest. Her questions were clear and insightful.
@rileymccusker 9 ай бұрын
I’ve never been a believer of any religion but I grew up in Iowa City close to the begging of the Mormon Handcart Trail. As I grew up I’ve been fascinated with Mormonism and have had young men on missions over for dinner and asked them questions that they couldn’t answer. Questions about proxy baptisms for native Americans & victims of the holocaust , plural marriage, and the like. From a non-Mormon perspective, Julia Sweeney’s ”Letting Go of God” helped me have more compassion for believers becoming questioners, and then becoming non-believers, and how painful that process is. Thank you for showing your process of examining information that is uncomfortable or painful, it helps me be more compassionate. There is no reason for me to be anything but kind to individual church members be they believers or something else or apostates. I say this because I’ve not always had kind thoughts about people in those various groups and segments of groups. It is my opinion that there is significant demonstrable harm caused by the groups these people are members of, but that doesn’t make my unkindness acceptable or right. I’ve only been to a Mormon church service once (as guests of some of the aforementioned missionaries) and everyone was very nice to me when I went. I do feel compelled to add that I was very uncomfortable with the way that the groups before the service were split by gender, but I was still treated with kindness and respect by everyone there. So I will do my best to repay that kindness, and again thank you for showing me how painful this process is for believers learning new information. Wether your journey ends in re-affirmed belief, continued questioning, or leaving the church, I thank you for sharing this step of your process and assure you that I will continue to act with more kindness than before and that is something With which I in part credit you. Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope we can all work for peace and kindness together.
@katelynpowell1449 Жыл бұрын
I was raised mormon. Haven't been to church in years because as I grew up I just felt the ick learning the same lessons over and over. Your channel is shedding so much light on things.
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for staying out...your weakness and confusion are not missed.
@BrewintheMost Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352So many Christ-like comments coming from you. Hope this internet crusade felt good. You're totally one of the stripling warriors now 😂
@kpl-CA Жыл бұрын
The just and righteous do not fear exposure, they WELCOME exposure, examinations, questions, exposure. Because they do NOT have any secrets, shame, lies, crimes or evil to be exposed. Only criminals, cons and grifters feel anger and a desire for revenge when the reality of what they really ARE is exposed. "You will know them by their fruits". The fruits of abusive, arrogant abusers and narcissists is anger at the exposure of their con, and desperation that their narcissistic supply is threatened. "When someone shows you who they REALLY ARE, believe them."
@Silver54342 Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352stay in your cult 😂
@ladybug-mv8tn 10 ай бұрын
@@johnlee1352 just goes to show how the cult can make a person be....uncaring and cruel. You just sunned by putting someone down and being unkind. You just judged and shamed someone. You better make an appointment to see your bishop. What you have done is worse than drinking coffee. I see you are miserable. We are now free.
@jamesscribner9627 Жыл бұрын
I was born into a religion that was created in the same “burned over” district of New York. I remember learning about the Mormon faith and wondering how anyone could believe any of it. Then I started comparing it to what I believed and suddenly realized that I may be suffering from the same grift. I owe those who have worked to expose Mormon faith for finding my own truth. Thank you for the work you’re doing.
@justkiddin84 9 ай бұрын
Good job! Open minds make change for good! ♥️✌️
@Josie1987 9 ай бұрын
That is a perfecto description- religion is such a grift.
@VashLoot 9 ай бұрын
There's only one that came out of the same area. I know what it is but I'm curious as to why you didn't mention them by name.
@tylerbennett4908 5 ай бұрын
When she says "Am I gonna get..." so sad and so telling. Thanks to all involved in this video.
@nicolewade160 3 ай бұрын
An absolutely brave & kind way of everyone in this podcast handling each other w respect & integrity
@marcellacruser951 Жыл бұрын
Eve is a very brave woman. My heart broke for her when she asked if she was going to be excommunicated. No one should ever have to fear knowing the truth. It makes so ANGRY on her behalf.
@JohnDLee-im4lo Жыл бұрын
Why is cutting and running a "brave" thing? Only weakness...
@MossyMozart Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDLee-im4lo - Her appearance on camera while she and her family, save for her sister, are still LDS is very brave.
@johnlee1352 Жыл бұрын
@@MossyMozart I'd say reckless and hurtful to her family...
@sweettooth_dragon9501 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDLee-im4lo well you seem to consider being unkind on the internet brave, so I'm not taking your opinion as worth a lick 😂 I look forward to God punishing you 🎉
@QuiveringEye Жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 or an act of love so that her family can see reason too.
@lifewithlenaf Жыл бұрын
The look on her face, her sigh,… ugh. My heart breaks but I’m so proud of Eve for facing this and sitting with it. ❤
@Ms.Prairie 6 ай бұрын
7:14 Oh Eve, my sweet peer. I went through a faith crisis (Catholic) as a child after SA. I am so proud of you. I hope one-year later your heart as healed as much as it yet can! John has helped me so much listening to the podcast.
@katiemarsh4970 6 ай бұрын
When she started crying at the beginning, I felt so much empathy…you’re not alone, Eve! ❤
@andreamichaud3226 Жыл бұрын
John is so funny when he’s correcting Cara at the beginning “that’s so harsh!!! maybe try…. ‘are you excited to reconsider certain positions?’” you can tell they are such good friends with such great rapport! love the Cara/John dynamic
@michaelstart7331 8 ай бұрын
Which one is John? Also is that a Christian name?
@jasonschlenz 7 ай бұрын
John turned the tables by the end with his strawman questions and relished in piling on when she had sincere questions.
@heinies_hobbies Жыл бұрын
Eve. I am blown away by your open mind and logical approach. If only every person we open up to about these issues would handle it 1/2 as well as you. Thank you so much for being brave enough to volunteer for this. Thank you.
@allzeenamesaretaken 7 ай бұрын
Right at 7:00 she perfectly captures why it’s so hard to face these things as a believing Mormon. Even beyond family disowning you, like the realization that everything you fundamentally believe as far as your eternity is questioned. That is so hard. Way to go Eve for being brave and asking these questions.
@c-wayne-u 9 ай бұрын
This was a truly fascinating interview. Outstanding work. As an x-Mormon I too was shocked to learn these things. It lead me to a deeper dive into the Bible itself, and I have been an atheist now for many many years. I am curious as to your current standing with religion in general.
@Ruthless13x 6 ай бұрын
There is no true religion. But I believe there is something beyond our comprehension
@Jagonistdai Жыл бұрын
Eve seems like the absolute sweetest person, she's actively having her world turned upside down and when John talks about being excommunicated himself her immediate response is to show him empathy. I'm so glad that you have Cara as a resource and wish you the best as you come to know your truth. I grew up a strict catholic and it took having our local pastor (who my Mom wanted to mentor me) abusing vavrious children for my parents to see their hypocrisy, best of luck Eve!
@sweettooth_dragon9501 Жыл бұрын
You can see her immediately mentally put herself in his shoes, knowing how she would feel if that happened to her ❤
@wilfdarr Жыл бұрын
I feel so deep for her: that was a rough day for me and I'm glad I didn't go through it on camera. She was very brave to agree to this and I hope through her courage others are saved.
@lisbetsoda4874 10 ай бұрын
You do not have to renounce Catholicism in order to denounce the conduct of some of their priests. Their behaviour does not make the religious doctrine untrue.
@eliegroff392 10 ай бұрын
@@lisbetsoda4874Jesus is Lord, and that's the truth.
@lc5666 Жыл бұрын
"The truth will set you free, but not until it's finished with ya." Truer words NEVER spoken. 😄
@gusgus2062 5 ай бұрын
This is AN AMAZING interview I have cried many times in this interview
@cjsmith8319 8 ай бұрын
Former Mormon myself. Whatever she decides to do with her life, I sincerely wish her well.
@taylormade9971 Жыл бұрын
I was so proud when the church excommunicated me. It was a breath of sweet🎉 freedom.
@johnlee1352 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for leaving. Your weakness and confusion is not missed.
@venicesgf 10 ай бұрын
@@johnlee1352your religion is fake and made up by a conman
@supertouring22 10 ай бұрын
@johnlee1352 I can tell from your single comment that the op made the right decision to leave, if that is the response they can expect
@johnlee1352 10 ай бұрын
@@supertouring22 The OP made no decision...he was thrown out... unceremoniously booted from among us. Sweet freedom for him and blissful absence for us.
@shannonigans_ Жыл бұрын
this video was so cool as a never mormon to get all the explanations this way. If possible I would love an update sometimes with Eve to see how she felt afterwards
@katiekawaii 9 ай бұрын
Yes!
@daixer3156 8 ай бұрын
Wished they would bring out these so called sworn affidavit and journals the speak of. Cuz it's all hearsay still from at this point.
@Nelia2705 6 ай бұрын
There actually is an update on the channel!
@daixer3156 6 ай бұрын
I'm not your regular Mormon. I'm your cool Mormon 😎
@flibbernodgets7018 8 ай бұрын
57:18 that was my experience as a missionary in the Philippines as well. Our mission president instructed us at several zone conferences specifically to focus on the wealthier areas to get converts that could help the church grow. I also noticed there was usually one or two (relatively, it was still a poor part of the country) wealthy members or families in areas where the church had a presence that went above and beyond and the rest of the members relied on them. Sometimes this would go to their heads (or they would carry over their previous attitudes, perhaps) and they would become a sort of aristocracy, and if there were two families like this they would sometimes get into feuds. I'd never seen someone bear testimony on Fast Sunday specifically to snub someone else before, that blew my mind. Sometimes though you got to see people who rose above all that, gladly serve others and enjoy creating opportunites for them, and enjoy success in all visible areas. I still almost hope it's all true just for their sake.
@danihawkinspreissler8017 6 ай бұрын
I know hardly anything about the Mormon church. This was really interesting. Looking forward to watching the follow up video.
@WickedIndigo Жыл бұрын
Eve could not have handled this conversation in a better way. She absolutely killed it. She was open minded to what she was being told but was asking the proper questions to see how well those statements would hold up. I hope she did a deep dive after this and realized that it’s all true. And hopefully, if she does leave the church, she is able to do so as painless as possible. I know what it’s like telling your Mormon family members that you’re not Mormon, they tend to be extremely harsh and judgmental from my experience. Wishing her the best!
@margaretworley1116 Жыл бұрын
I'm a convert who has escaped. This is all so good to see.
@rogerlong1845 9 ай бұрын
It would be so interesting to hear where Eve is with all of this a year later.
@icallmysugarcandy 3 ай бұрын
Hi! New subscriber here. I just want to say how amazing I find this girl for being open to come on the show and learn. It truly shows so much courage. When you’ve studied cults the things you see in this girl are so apparent. Did you notice how she was so eager to read “the evidence” of the horrible truths of Joseph Smith, yet has been so willing to believe a story of one man transcribing a book of golden plates that Moroni so conveniently brought back to heaven with him so no one could verify? This is so common. The cult mindset is so hard to crack. I teared up at the beginning when she started crying. We must always remember to be empathetic in bringing people to the truth. Their whole lives are utterly turned upside down. And always show them that you’ll be there for them. This is my first video I’ve watched so I hope to hear she’s studied and left the LDS church.🙏🏼 Really great content, thanks so much for posting.❤
@candimccann Жыл бұрын
So much respect for Eve for fully participating, asking fantastic questions that show how much she wants to understand and to follow the sources. I hope her journey leads to contentment, whatever that looks like for her.
@chriskelly3481 10 ай бұрын
It's easy for a non Mormon (like myself) to be able to look in from the outside and recognise the craziness of any organisation like this. But surely we can all appreciate growing up with a set of beliefs and being shocked to have those called into question or even eradicated. It is a lot to take on and I think that Eve was a trooper for getting through all of this (and having some great questions. I was particularly impressed with Eves need to refer to authenticated primary sources). It was a hell of an info dump for anyone to endure.
@Loralanthalas 9 ай бұрын
Too few bother to ever question what grandma taught them.
@jeffreyyoungblood7438 7 ай бұрын
True but Mormon beliefs are totally bizarre and contradictory not to mention Joseph Smith who was a total conman.
@wynelleu 7 ай бұрын
Plus, honestly just like any successful "cult", they tie your loyalty to the well-being of your family & their entry into heaven. The guilt, responsibility & excommunication from your family is usually concurrent with separation from the church. It's like being tossed out into the wilderness, evicted from your tribe. Even the emotional abandonment is secondary to the likelihood of your physical survival.
@walkinharmonyhomestead2888 4 ай бұрын
@@Loralanthalas, right?! I still follow some of my grandmother’s superstition rituals, even though I deeply know how silly they are. At least they’re harmless.
@redhatbear1135 3 ай бұрын
@@jeffreyyoungblood7438Most beliefs systems have beliefs that seem bizarre to outsiders. For example, that communion wine actually becomes the blood of Christ.
@iu1191 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely rivetting viseo. Eve is fantastic and her questions are excellent. People need to know the truth. THey need ot know that they CAN get access to the truth. Love this.
@michellesass5070 5 ай бұрын
I'm like 7 minutes in but Eve is just a beautiful soul, the way she talks about Carah and what kind of person she is is so genuine. We all need a friend who views us that way.
@garthd1627 Жыл бұрын
This episode is fantastic. I'm so thankful to Eve for being brave enough to come on and do this. I've seen hundreds of episodes and videos and this is one of the best, hands down. Lots of love to Eve, Cara, and John!
@michaelstart7331 8 ай бұрын
Hundreds!!!!! So is this like your new church. Cause these episodes are super long. Kinda seams like you need a hobby
@davidjohnson605 Жыл бұрын
It’s sometimes hard to put myself in the shoes of those going through a faith crisis because I have been out for so long. But I keep tearing up listening to Eve hearing stuff in real time. My heart goes out to her…. and my heart goes out to all my people who are going through faith crisis… and all the people who will learn things in the future and have their worlds crumble. We’re all victims of the trauma stemming from the lies and secrecy that started with JS.
@everpearce Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@carbine090909 6 ай бұрын
Love coming your way. Eve! Mad respect!
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