Just read the Bible because the LDS is not true, doesn’t mean Jesus is not real. Look into history and the Bible has been proven many times. Science is just a methodology and the Bible has never gotten wrong the scientific facts that it has. Look into answers in Genesis.

So are you and Eve totally done with Jesus and christianity or ............I am a baptist christian personally.

SO are you and eve totally off Jesus completely or ?

I have watched the original video many times its very interesting. I am not mormon but a canadian baptist.

@@planes3333 Canadian Baptist? Never heard that before is it like reformed Baptist?

It’s actually more than 10, funnily enough

And a second Saturday

Yes! Eve is glowing and she seems so much more relaxed and centered.

She only developed cognitive dissonance after she went on the show and was confronted by Dehlin's psychological tactics and incorrect information.

@@unfeigned4997 Incorrect information? What was a lie? I haven't seen anything that has been said that could be construed as misinformation. What psychological tactics? Do you think he made her cry on purpose?

But is this true happiness? Sorry couldn't resist 🙈😂

​​@@unfeigned4997like information from actual journal entries from Joseph Smith and other church leaders? Information from the Gospel Topics Essays on the Church's own website? Information from Egyptologists analyzing the Book of Abraham? Information from Rough Stone Rolling, a church commissioned history of Joseph Smith? It's not Dehlin's fault that the facts contradict the Church's decades-long narrative. I know it sucks that you were lied to and manipulated all these years and have had so much time and money fraudulently taken from you, but you're not there only one who's been there. And it's not your fault. Deconstruction is painful, but the freedom you gain to live your own life and be a better person is well worth it when you come through on the other side.

I created a camp at Burning Man in 2005 called "Beyond The Zion Curtain" in 2005. The name spoke to the fact that though we physically live behind it, we exist beyond it because we are free from its constraints and judgement. We had over 200 people from Utah camp with us.

Thank you!

Zion curtain 😂

I don't know you but deconstruction is so hard. I came from a very brainwash-y Southern Baptist upbringing and even still I cannot imagine how difficult it was to uproot your entire life to feel more authentically you so I can't help but be proud.

Congratulaitons.

That happens to Catholics, too.

Yesss

I vaguely identify with this switch but it happened to me as a kid and it was simply just the way people spoke in church. I wasn’t raised in a controversial or strict cult/church. It was a pretty accepting Christian church who was always pretty open about my questions. But I remember being like 8 or 9 years old sitting in the middle of the service while everyone is mindlessly repeating each other and speaking in unison, and I remember that being the moment that made me think, “What are we even doing?” It was so creepy for everyone to be standing there like drones in a monotone voice repeating these words over and over. And since that day, I always tried to look at everything anyone did in the church from both the “insider” perspective as well as an outside perspective. And it really opened my eyes to how weird religion is in general.

This happened to me with familial abuse too :/ it’s different than going numb to it. You realize you have the right to be angry if you’d like to be.

@@PtylerBeats religion is the name of a demonic spirit. Religion is the worst thing to associate with our Lord, Savior, and Creator. Knowing and having a relationship with Jesus has nothing to do with religion. God has been gathering those that choose to follow him while Religion has been causing division.

If she says that, it means she's rejected the teachings of the Holy Bible. The only sexual relationship ordained by God is heterosexual.

You are so kind. I am honestly embarrassed when I look back on it that it took me finding out about other things like problematic church history in order to finally leave. I wish I had just left because of the harm I saw it had on my queer friends and family.

@@everpearce ~ There's no shame in recognizing harm, in compassionate motivation, to learn and grow as a person. Thank you for your empathy and your loving action. (~ Fern, an ex-LDS person.)

@@Venom-33381 So someone expresses sincere loving compassion and your response is to spew your unsubstantiated claims at them? Grow up. Religion is like a penis: it's fine to have one, it's even fine to be a bit proud of it, but you don't whip it out in public and wave it around, especially not around kids. When you make a claim that you have "the truth" of something, but you don't back it up with real, actual evidence (the book is the claim, so it can't also be the evidence), something others can verify with fair testing, you've failed to make a case for your claim. You want to convince sensible people of your little myth? First you would likely have to convince people that there's any kind of god. Then that there's _just one_ and not several or many. Then that _yours_ is that one. Then that it has the traits that you claim. Then that it interacts with the natural world. Then that it has concern about specifically the actions of the humans on this planet. *_THEN_* you can try and talk about your (deeply mistaken) beliefs about your hell. Here's what hasn't worked for me and many others: * Quoting from your scriptural texts. Remember, the claim can't also be the evidence, and the texts are the claims. * Telling us we _do_ believe but reject your specific god for some reason you make up. * "You just want to sin." (Often paired with the previous.) * "Just look at [nature of some kind]." We have science to tell us about the way nature works and many perfectly good natural explanations for things X-ians like to claim are somehow "evidence" of their god. * Citing "miracles" (resurrection from death, for example). Myths in other religions don't pass _your_ sniff test, why would you suppose they would convince us? * Telling us "you're not interpreting the Bible correctly" or trying to switch the meanings of texts by pointing elsewhere in the same book and pretending it's univocal. * The standard Christian apologetics arguments for god presented hundreds of years ago and still being tossed up today: Pascal's Wager, the Ontological Argument, the (Kalam) Cosmological Arg~, the Moral Arg~, any Arg~ from Incredulity, the Fine Tuning Arg~, et al. * Your personal experience. * Numerology or math tricks. * Calling us a sinner and threatening us with hell. If your god were real and wanted us convinced, it would know how to do it, and for many of us, that stuff up there is a big fail. Good luck.

@@Venom-33381 not a great proposed system if the baseline is that everyone is headed toward a lake of fire. Even if that is true, it doesn't encourage faith in the designer of that system.

Awww thank you! Hope you’re doing well.

@@everpearce great to hear how well you are doing. my parents were Xcomm-ed but my 2 brothers still count as LDs !! I never bought in, luckily M

God bless all and thank all for your content and for sharing . It's very raw, very public, and I respect you guys . I praise God for freedom .

You grow up listening to the brethren, understanding what makes sense and naive to what doesn’t. The notion of power and control as a top priority just seems so out of character at that stage. The age of transparency hasn’t been kind to that facade. And now we’ve got direct appeals to continued belief in spite of the issues brought to light. The foundation for belief they’re pushing is literally no different from Santa Claus, and it’s bonkers that they think it will work!

@taijastagg9366 how do you feel now? Do you feel a crazy amount of peace and an unburdening of your soul? If not, I promise you the day will come. I am impatiently hopeful for the days when others in my own family and friend circles will start to deconstruct and find the greater peace on the other side of group think and spiritual controls placed on them by others.

You both deserved to be honored for your courage. The truth is you actually can live a lie once you realize it's a lie. That's proven by many today. I know a couple personally who know it's a lie and have told me they don't care because they love the culture and don't want to be shunned or to have their children pay the price. Talk about setting a horrible example for your children. Your demonstration of living from courage for truth's sake will serve your children much better in the long run.

I’m so sorry for your pain. It isn’t fair. I hope your family can remember their love for you and reconsider their choice to cut you off. I can’t imagine how hard that must be.

@@delhargis2219 Your experience reminds me of something a friend told me probably 25 years ago. This friend was working his way out of the church like I did. He told me that he had discussed the church's dubious history with his stake president, and the SP admitted that "There ain't a damn thing true about the church, but it's a great place to raise a family." So he was a "social Mormon." Back when I was a TBM from the mid-' 70s to the mid-'90s, I would be taken aback when a church member would occasionally say something like "I like the church, but I don't believe the Joseph Smith story." My mindset back then was, how can you not believe the Joseph Smith story? The church's entire history, claims to authority, and reason for existing hinges on the Joseph Smith story being true. But after I began studying my way out in the late '90s, I began to understand those people. They believed as they did because they had studied Joseph Smith's true history that I had not yet been exposed to. But when I learned the facts, my wife and I and our four kids all resigned. There was no way that I would or could sit through Priesthood and Sunday School lessons hearing about how wonderful the Prophet Joseph Smith was, when I knew that it was a lie. I wasn't gonna waste any more time getting up on Sunday mornings and dressing up in a suit and tie and driving to church just to listen to that nonsense for the rest of my life.

That is an indeed a sad scenario. You live your life unhappy on Earth, working towards an afterlife that you have no proof actually exists apart from the people demanding 10% of your earnings telling you it does! Just my personal experience but through illness I’ve been dead once, and extremely near death a second time, never saw pearly gates, or any paradise. The only thing I remember is on coming back, and having the realisation I was going to have a long recovery was ‘Thank goodness I’m not American, as I would have just bankrupted my family because if the healthcare costs’ Honestly that was my thought whilst filled with breathing apparatus and tubes. Free healthcare and free meds in my country! Americans vote it away because the thought of being responsible for even the guy sleeping rough broken leg goes against their form of Christianity. I just ring him an ambulance and he’s taken care off .Mormons would rather pay 10% of their earnings into a ‘church’ that has Billions just sitting there helping no-one and step over the guy with broken leg in disgust. How humane of them.

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You THINK you are funny.

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Thank you. I hope they know how lucky they are haha 😜. But really, thank you, that is so kind to say.

Lol dads always just along for the ride

The idea that my mom joined the church while there was a ban on full membership for Black members and she mimed slitting her throat every time she went through the temple really messed with my head when I realized how old she had been when she joined and when I learned about what they did in the temple.

@@marylamphere2112 It's always worth pointing out that the Mormon church is explicitly based on racism. It's within living memory that they are trying to backtrack. I've heard testimonies from non-white members that they are treated very poorly still by other white members. It's abominable and needs to be brought up constantly

I did my endowment in the SL temple in 1974. It was the live action version with the blood oaths and the whole storyline about Lucifer paying a Protestant minister to teach false doctrines to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. If an older Ex-Mormon like me tells a young TBM about that stuff which has been removed from the ceremony, they call me a liar and a disgruntled apostate.

What are the secrets of the temple?

Woot woot!

Thank you so much. I hope it does help!

The best thing about that episode was that Eve just listened and soaked it all in, rather than immediately throwing up her programmed defenses and trying to challenge or refute everything they were telling her. Meaning, she was ready to listen.

I think they pointed out she was starting doubt, which generally means finally ready to listen. Eve did great, took me a lot longer to be deprogrammed

I’m sorry you feel so isolated and talked down to. They really don’t realize how bad it is… it’s embarrassing looking back at it.

Post jw and I share the experience of realizing...just very recently....how arrogant I must have come across. Some of my own words echo in my head.

Thank you. ❤❤❤❤ best of luck to you too. I’m glad we aren’t alone.

So beautiful. The things that connect humanity are so much deeper than any religion ever could go. Striving for real human connection that comes genuinely from your own heart and not any doctrine is essential.

Yes, it was so beautifully said! I went through similar feelings!

Thank you! I’m glad to know I’m not alone. And you described it so perfectly here. It is embarrassing to look back on, but freeing to feel so differently now. ❤

Your comment really saddened me. There is a world of difference between Mormonism and Catholicism. First glaring difference is The Catholic Church has been here for 2000 years and was started by Jesus Christ Himself. Historical and Biblical facts. Mormonism has been here for 200 years and is a cult started by the narcissistic madman Joseph Smith, a human being. And a free(irony)mason. Free masonry is satanic. Another fruit of the protestant heresy of Luther. There are tens of thousands of protestant denominations (cults). None of which contains "The Whole" TRUTH. The word Catholic itself, means WHOLENESS or FULLNESS. KATHOLIKOS, is the Fullness and truth of Christianity. People have been trying to debunk it for thousands of years, they can't. Jesus said His Church, The Catholic Church would last forever. After only 200 short years, Mormonism is crumbling. I don't think it will last a generation or two before it's a distant memory. Like the 500 protestant churches every year that close down, finished, shut their doors for good, bring in the bull dozers, flattened, kaput, gone for good. The Catholic Church has had some bad apples, but it's teachings are and have been true and perfect. The Bible came out of The Catholic Church. The western world was created by CATHOLICISM. Medicine, the sciences, hospitals, universities, charities, all grew out of CATHOLICISM. The Church has always had problems, even while Jesus was on earth, one of His Apostles, Judas, betrayed Him for thirty pieces of silver, then hung himself in despair. And as prophesied by Jesus, Peter, the first Pope, denied even knowing Him. But Peter repented and went on to lead the early Christian Church, which was and is The Catholic Church. There has been an unbroken Succession of popes, 265, if I'm not mistaken since Peter. Apostolic Succession. The Catholic Church is still here, always will be. I was poorly catechized, maybe you were too. 35 years ago I left my faith because of ignorance. I was convinced by my supervisor in the Air Force, who happened to be a pastor of a church he invented, that CATHOLICISM was in error. His church no longer exists. But mine does, ours does. That time in my life actually made me study Catholicism and I learned more than I ever did in CCD. It actually made me a stronger Catholic. BTW, I'm not sure if you know why so many Catholics were poorly catechized. Communist infiltration in the early 1900's. Communist and socialist infiltraters joined the Catholic Church, becoming priests, deacons, nuns, in an attempt to destroy it from the inside. You can read all about it in a book by Taylor Marshall it's called Infiltration. Plenty of other writings on the subject. Taylor is a Catholic Convert, former Episcopal priest, has a podcast on KZfaq. But The Catholic Church is still the largest Christian Church even with all it's problems, struggles, bumps and bruises. It's built to last and weather the storms, no matter what happens. I hope you give His One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church another chance. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The ship is sailing to The Everlasting Shores of Paradise, and it will reach landfall intact, perhaps badly damaged but intact. Don't be one who jumps ship in the middle of the sea, you are sure to drown. Stay aboard, and help repair what's been broken. Don't abandon ship. She's sure to reach safe harbor, even, limping in, in tatters, busted up, from bow to stern, riddled with holes from the enemies cannons, smoldering, blackened, barely afloat. But this ship, This Church, Christ' Body, once broken, has the promise of resurrection and perfection, and Eternal Glory. God bless you.

i wonder. because catholicism can look so different across cultures. what does it look like for you. what needs to be deconstructed? to me, it was never a conscious deconstruction process, as religion in my culture is seen as very private, personal beliefs are seen as very intimate. so, changing one's mind on religion over time and over years can look just like changing one's mind on ANY topic really.

@@Freaky0Nina Hello Freaky. I agree, it does look different in ways across cultures. I think one must keep in mind, ALL Christian denominations, 40,000+, or whatever that number is up to now, stem from Catholicism. The Catholic Church is The One and Only Church Established by Jesus Christ Himself. The Original Christian Church. And that is a Historical Fact, undeniably and undebatable. All others are man-made, and they sprung up following the protestant reformation of the 16th century. As you know I'm sure, are well aware of the many "mainline" denominations, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, and the multitude of sects that formed from those. But there are three that are widely considered cults. Mormons, Jehovah witness, and 7th day adventists, because they are so completely in contradiction to Scripture, old and new testaments. And clearly filled with inventions and fantasy that resemble little, traditional Christianity. And they came about in the mid to late 1800's, as did so many other protestant denominations. But these 3, are considered cults, well, because they had cult like leaders that were way out in left field, and imposed a way of living on their members the can only be described as cult like. IE, marriage practices, sexual practices, codes of dress, who you can and cannot associate with, obedient members for life, or else, strict adherence to doctrines no questions asked, or else, control, power, money, and the list goes on. Back to Jesus Christ, and The One Church He Established. The Catholic Church has been here for 2000 years. Mormons claim it ended some time shortly after the last Apostle died. "Some time". ???? You'd think to make such a bold and radical claim, you'd produce exact dates. But you'd have to make some kind of claim like that to give the new cult any kind of legitimacy. Problem is, it never ended, or morphed into something entirely new and different. It's been here all along. The way Catholics practice the faith, The Mass, The Doctrines, The Traditions, are the same today as they were in the 1st century. It's all recorded, in writing, ancient texts, older than the New Testament, by The Early Christian Church and The Church Fathers. Read St Ignatius of Antioch's letters, St Justin Martyr, St Iranaeus, Tertulian, countless others, Saints and Doctors of The Catholic Church, The Christian Church. I could go on and on, for love of God and you, my neighbor. The Bible, a Catholic book for Catholics, compiled and Canonized by The Catholic Church late 300's ad. Mormons say The Catholic Church was finished by then, so explain that. When Christ Established The Church, He said it would stand until the end of time, forever. To say The Church He started, ended, thereby creating a need for a man 1600 years later to begin a new "church" (Martin Luther), would be to call Christ a liar. Luther was a former Catholic priest, who left the one true Church, because of disagreements, and severe neurotic mental problems. He writes about his neurotic tendencies in his own autobiography. He had hatred for Rome(Italy and Germany were arch rivals), and refused to continue to submit to The Authority of The Papacy. He was a rebel and a Heretic. It's not The Catholic Church that needs deconstructing, it's your views and misunderstandings. It's the lies and hatred of The Catholic Church, for centuries, that need deconstructing. If you had a true grasp and understanding of The Catholic Church and Her Teachings, you would fall in love. Heretical protestant denominations and cults need to be deconstructed and we people of Christ, need to unite again as we once were for 16 centuries, before the protestant deformation. United WE Stand, divided y'all fall. Christ = Unity Satan = Division 1 United Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. 50,000 Divided protestant denominations and cults. Seems like a no-brainer. God bless.

Same!

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Thank you! I’ll try!!

I can’t second this idea more! It’s so interesting how the deconstruction process is similar across faiths. I’m not LDS but deconstructed evangelicalism and I love Mormon Stories, Cara’s channel here, Cults to Consciousness, etc.

I like that idea of a deconstruction group!

According to church insiders, about 3/4 of young Mormons are rejecting the church. That's about the same percentage I've observed in my own large extended family, so I'd say that it's fairly accurate. One of the daughters of one of my most devout Mormon relatives is working as a server in a Hooter's restaurant. I think that's a.....hoot.

Awww thank you so much. My ancestors were converted from Denmark and left for the church… maybe we would’ve been neighbors in another life!

​@@everpearce❤❤❤ I've loved seeing you break free ❤️❤️❤️I too understand all the fallout. Ex fundi. Lost everyone. Best thing ever 🙌

@@everpearce Or you wouldn't be born, seeing as your ancestors wouldn't have met and had your other ancestors. I wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the LDS Church, so it's a love-hate relationship in a sense. I don't consider myself Mormon, but I'm baptized and it's just a part of my history. It's alright to change paths while not rejecting the past, because the past happened for a reason.

So basically you gave up one delusion for another. Now instead of blindly believing what Mormon elders told you you believe in what the buybull says. I'm not even vaguely impressed. If you think "trust your faith" is good advice then please don't ever give anyone else advice. Faith is gullibility. It is believing things without evidence. Rational people don't do that. God does indeed not dwell in buildings though because he doesn't exist and you certainly learned nothing from the book of Acts or any other part of the buybull.

David is Joseph Smith your daddy? As far as being delusional of which I am not. You can't see air only what it does. Yet, I believe in air. I think you like name calling and of which I take a different approach to that. I have spent many years in which I take people like you who like to call people names and deal with it differently. Of course I will never meet you but I have met many like you. They don't fare very well when they meet me. So I will just remember what I have done to others and think of you. Not very long though about same time as it takes to take care of you.

I had a very similar experience after leaving Catholicism. Well said, thank you.

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I’m so sorry to hear how difficult this has been for you. I hope you can find peace and courage to do what will bring you the most happiness. Everyone’s timelines are different. Sending you love ❤❤

If you started questioning the church at age eight, you're a lot smarter than I am. I was a hardheaded thick as a brick arrogant TBM until I was in my mid 30s. And even after I started studying my way out, it took another 7-8 years to finally break my mind completely free and resign.

I’m there are other people who feel the same way! ❤❤

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I can't stop, won't stop.

I’m so sorry 😢

I’m so happy about that too. Thank you for cheering me on. ❤❤

I’m so glad you’ve found freedom and good things in the change. The difficult parts suuuuuuck. Hope it keeps getting better and you have people to support you. ❤

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Thank you! Carah’s the best

I am so glad to see this follow-up. The first video was hard to watch as an active LDS person. I figured you guys had a strong friendship to be able to ask those questions. I put myself in Eve's place during that time. I am still active but trying to understand the past history. I do have many reservations that I question, yet still love the modern day teachings and lessons from the prophet today.

Thank you. I hope it is too.

I’m glad you feel that way too. ❤❤ it’s the best.

🎉🎉 glad you liked it ❤

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Thank you so much. These comments make the difficult parts of leaving all worth it. ❤❤

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It’s sooo validating to know we’re not alone in those experiences! Thank you for sharing yours ❤❤

Awww yay!

That talk bothered me so much too. 🤢

Russell Nelson had better think celestial, 'cause he's gonna be heading to the afterlife soon

Thank you!!! I’d love to participate more ☺️

@@everpearce makes me so happy you responded and know that I think you are awesome!

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Awww thank you so much. You are kind 🥹💖 it means so much to read this.

It was very painful indeed 😅

Thank you so much. I’m glad we’re still friends too. 😊

🥹🥹 ❤ thank you. This is one of the kindest things anyone has ever said to me.

Thanks!

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Haha thank you!

That is awesome you found out before joining. Both my parents were converts in the 70s and I can't understand how they stayed once they knew about the priesthood/temple ban.

I think there are many naive missionaries that actually don’t know many of the secrets of the church. I have talked to several missionaries (I’m not LDS) and some of them know basically everything, while others are shocked at some of my questions. I think I scared the last missionaries off when I told them that according to the Bible, Joseph Smith cannot be considered a prophet.

@@EmeryShae oh I love that! I feel so bad for those kids. My sister was one and it was so bad that she ended up requesting to come home because she was DONE.

The missionaries don’t know most of what they are leaving out unfortunately. I’d be kind to them but blame the church

I wanted to comment here highlight eves comment about being nice to Missionaries! Some of them really do not know what they are leaving out because they are simply teaching what they were taught, and they are doing this all in good faith. When I heard Missionaries’s were not able to eat in homes where they can’t talk to investigators my heart sank.. not only do these KIDS get shipped to a new town, state, Hell to even a new country, they get their passports taken away, and they have to pay for their food and their own way. I had a missionary tell me it’s his fault for not having enough money for food because he spends his money on fast food. But if you knew how hard these KIDS had to work going door to door to you’d just hit the fast food joint too to make it an easy night. This billion dollar corporation should be paying these KIDS to be doing this or at least pay for all of their food and necessities! But.. as a long time investigator, I’ve been through a few cycles of missionaries and LDS practicing friends. First without gospel topics essays available, second with gospel topic essays available, and by the third time when I met the missionaries I made a blanket statement saying there are things in church history I don’t agree with. Without prompting they mentioned racism in the priesthood, polygamy, stone in the hat, and homosexuality. I’m still not blaming the missionaries but what the church keeps getting away with is ridiculous.. the church would excommunicate members who were vocal about “anti/negative” Mormon Truth claims, that the Church now says are actually REAL.

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She does, and I’m so glad they captured her real reactions in the video series leading up to this. Nice job ladies