Hey Hassan! Ramadan Mubarak! Hope you and the family are all doing well Yes, I understand. Maybe I could have reiterated it more, but I meant by that they ignorant of the "Deen of Allah". So I was referring to those who may see in the Qur'an the knowledge that they have, but in so doing they miss seeing the knowledge that they don't have and/or in fact assume it isn't even there ... even though often they go right "through it" and "past it" and they don't "see it". They also don't know that what isn't there, isn't there because it is part of the Deen of Allah to *not* be there in the way that they seek it. Yet they still insist on trying to find in it (or force into it) what "they know". They come to the Qur'an "knowing" some things, and always leave "knowing" the same things. As if it is a given the Qur'an aligns with what they "know". Thus they neither come to Qur'an already having the "knowledge" of what isn't and isn't "Deen" in God's sight ... nor do they allow the Qur'an to teach them, amend for them, discard, add and reorder what is and isn't from the Deen. [And yes the previous false "knowing" could be said of me coming into the Qur'an, but I hope I am allowing the Qur'an to add, delete, amend, reorder, etc what is and isn't from the Deen] Don't know how well I've expressed that But it's like the most frequent question Quranists get; "how" do we pray, then, with only the Qur'an? The ignorance here is that God will reject salat/prayer not done in a specific way. That that "how" in "how to pray" is part of the Deen of Allah. It comes from the fiqh they are accustomed to and "know" (which here makes them ignorant not knowledgeable) and so they seek it in the Qur'an. And when it isn't there? Then "that part" of the Deen of Allah must be somewhere else. The ignorance I speak of is the "knowledge" that that part of the Deen of Allah is found outside of the Qur'an. And so, once found, the intricate "how" is uplifted into "the Deen of Allah" ... if you don't recite fatiha, your salat is "invalid" in God's sight. In God's Deen. If you do, then it is the salat God wants ... even if you "deny neighborly assistance". Thus what IS actually part of the Deen of Allah in salat is laid to the wayside or essentially forgotten and not given its rightful place, despite it being in the Qur'an, and what isn't is magnified ... and that is further adding to ignorance of the Deen of Allah But all that is different from what you mentioned really, which is about a loss of faith. An eroding of faith in the Qur'an itself. I've thought a lot about why that happens, and the bottom line imho is that it comes to a loss of trust. And the reasons for that are varied, including some people just being more trusting. And to regain trust after it is damaged can be very difficult. Just like in real life with people, even betrayals that turn out later to be false. The effect can remain, the heart is complicated. More so with deep complicated betrayals, based on deep faith. No one likes feeling the such, or that they were fooled, it changes us, even if we see it as a misunderstanding. Makes just that little more jayded. To trust again is difficult. You could have all the knowledge you need to trust, but once it's gone ... well, it can sometimes be just gone. I don't have the answers for getting it back. The relationship is damaged. The above could be due to just one or a few big betrayals, or many small ones that keep adding "little damages" like that, chipping away at faith, until it is broken. Knowledge of course plays a part, can be the "only" part or component (or at least seem as such) like what you are describing ... not trauma, bad experiences, Hadiths, extremists, etc which are far in the background, if at all. But I'd say even knowledge ... the shifting and unfooting of true knowledge with false knowledge AND vice versa, can be deeply traumatic also, not to mention the psychological self-damage or damage caused by "knowledge" of how one thinks God is assessing one negatively. The "discovery" of certain issues, some later resolved some not, search for more answers to more core questions and reception of responses, some completely inadequate responses, some latched onto "for faith's sake" only to fall away later in moments of honesty, the trying to shift and mold one's mentality to fit, failing or succeeding, repressing issues until they "pop", trying to forge a new path, hitting obstacles, making door, deciding to ignore, praying for clarity but not gaining it, etc etc ... I'm sure you understand all that. And all of it, the bending and rebending "by knowledge", can eventually snap faith ... like bending a bank card over and over when you don't have scissors Now, we'll likely disagree here, but though you were and are knowledgeable about "Islam" ... was it part of your Islam that, for example, God isn't after our "beliefs" but actions, that sincere disbelief (just not being convinced) is a non-issue, that Heaven/Hell are by actions alone, that 'ibada to God is for the purpose of taqwa, that Messengers & Books were sent for mankind to establish justice, that "emaan" isn't what God loves, that whatever Hell will be, it won't be an overpowering of mercy by justice let alone justice by injustice, or even just not feeling any trepidation in praying with an orthodox Jew his salat in lieu of 'asr salat or zuhur without the superstitious/ignorant feeling that I "must" "make it up" to God? etc, etc ... or if some of that was known or came to be known ... was the bank card already bent numerous times and close to snapping, or already snapped? ... these and others (some irrespective of the Qur'an, and all in the Qur'an I'd argue) are what I'd consider "knowledge" (of God) that anchores, pillars both from the Qur'an and from out of it that allow one to have knowledge of the Deen of Allah and find it clearly in the Qur'an, where it becomes clearer and clearer, like attracting like, light upon light, without reliance on anything else. And their counterparts are ignorance, and that ignorance pulls more to itself also, like to like, darkness upon darkness, until the Deen of Allah looks like the Deen of Shaytan ... and the person who is a Shaytan at heart follows it, and person who was able to maintain their humanity either changes it, dilutes it or abandons it ... losing all faith in it in order to maintain faith in God or just in themselves and basic goodness. So faith and knowledge ... yes they can get convoluted and messy and unsure of where one stopped and the other started and what led to what during the course of one's life. All we are really left with, though, is what we have now, and where we are now, wherever we are at the moment ... if we can be like that definition of the Sufi, "the Sufi is the son of his present", perhaps a lot of the mess from our past that's tying us up can be dropped. I think that's even true on the scale of the Ummah ... can we be a child of the present? Be "ourselves" in the modern world? It doesn't mean having amnesia, individually or collectively, with respect to the journey of how we got here ... But it does mean holding at the forefront of our consciousness only what is relevant "now" and relieving ourselves of the past's burdens, the burdens of others, and the journey's baggage I think the Qur'an allows that tunneling. For the Deen it is the only thing relevant to our present that anchors us in our past as lessons from our past and reminders of ourselves, even right back to Adam, without taking away from ourselves now Because you are absolutely right ... that if we can't rely on the Qur'an alone for 1) our knowledge of the Deen and 2) our faith in the "God of Islam", then it is senseless to believe it is from God. What I was saying was almost reverse, which also holds true. That those who believe the Qur'an is from God, yet don't find all the knowledge they need in it are essentially ignorant of God, the Qur'an and the Deen, and usually because they have ignorance that they consider to be knowledge. I can't really comment specifically, with regards to all that, about what you did and did not know, nor am I myself encompassing of the knowledge of the Deen of Allah, but I still think the knowledge aspect will ultimately come down to that. As for the struggles and doubts of faith, and the involuntary aspect of "belief", that's another issue to knowledge. An objective (as much as possible) atheist or even anti-Islamists historian/anthropologist/philosopher can likewise be knowledgeable enough to find everything they need to construct the Deen of "Allah/Muhammad" from the Qur'an alone ... they might even do a better job than Muslims. But faith in or belief that it is from God is another matter. And luckily, as I "see it", in the Deen of Allah, "belief/disbelief" is irrelevant, sincerity & honesty reign supreme and will benefit, emaan (faith) is only an invitation to trust and a shortcut and a means to an end but you can find your own way ... وأن الله لا يضيع أجر المحسنين "And truly God doesn't misplace the reward of those who do good" No matter what they believe or don't believe. Edit: 😬 I wrote all that? Sorry, don't mean to lecture (more) but you got me thinking. Anyway, might help someone else so I'll pin the comment if you don't mind Salaam

​@@QuranicIslam Thanks for the clarification (and don't worry you expressed yourself well.) Your comments about how to perform prayers reminded me of a couple of incidents. One was when I was told my prayer was invalid because I wasn't holding my hands "correctly" and another hilarious incident when I was praying in a mosque and suddenly felt hands rolling up my trouser legs, which of course threw me off my focus. I've said many times in my videos that many of those who claim to think so highly of God, in reality, think so little of him. They worship a small and petty God. A God whose overriding concern is adherence to a long list of rules and regulations. Content with form over substance. I have always believed God is greater and better than that. Of course this line of reasoning led me to ultimately question the Qur'an too. (And yes, by all means pin the comment if you wish.)

@@HassanRadwan133 😂😂😂 ... rolling up the trousers in the middle of salat! ... 😆 ... made me think of that episode in friends "No! That's not how they do pants!"

​@@QuranicIslam 🤣🤣 I remember that episode 😂

@@QuranicIslam btw I should point out (in case you misunderstood) the guy who was rolling up my trousers as I prayed was doing it because he felt it was his duty to enforce the common belief in Sunni Islam that one's garments should rise above the ankles due to hadiths such as "Whatever of the lower garment is below the ankles is in the Fire."

👍 no problem ... 😆 ... Nothing to apologize for and very true

@@QuranicIslamAnd also: considering the degree of corruption that occurred after the Prophet’s death, it’s not surprising that Salah is the very thing that many Shiekhs and Imaams talking so vehemently about - like that one bloke from Australia who rendered a rapist and murderer who prays more dear to Allah than otherwise yet doesn’t pray. Subhanallah. All I think of is Surat Al-Ma’uun, and a few verses in the third quarter of Surat An-Nisa. It’s just for show. Salah is treated as a goal, not a means, when the Quran says it is a means - but of course they wouldn’t know, having seldom opened the book except to recite Arabic sounds. You know, I asked a friend how he knows the Quran is true. He told me he just blindly believe it to be true - after hardly pondering over it? Thank God, I took up Arabic grammar and have a background in philosophy, because God uses statements of logic all throughout this book, it literally screams in the face of any intellectual reader that it is a serious book from a seriously intelligent author! Man, when I heard the tone in your voice grow irate from having to repeat the utter garbage of rhetoric against the Quran, it just floored me to do the same in this comment thread, 😆!

@@Lightbulb909 😆 ... yeah! ... It gets irritating!

Same thing happened to me at night as well ! I was feeling something was wrong and I didn't like the ritual , so I felt guilty and miserable and started to ask Allah why ? If HE knows who I am and my heart , why reciting the Quran back to HIM ? Then , I have found a notification from Sam Gerrans channel and I was delighted ! I love more listen when someone recites or when I read it . I love when someone recites The Quran ! Peace to you ! Mat Allah keep you on the straight path .

I can feel you on that... My own mother told me how I should read the Qur'an with tafsir or else I might end up misguiding myself. Little do they know those same tafsir are filled with the lie of Shaytan.

@@xyve6129 the wildest tafsir I've read is by Ibn Kathir, talking about how the world is on a Bulls head and every time he shakes its head, earthquakes arise. It's like reading a child's book mixed with perv literature and slaughter stories. It's wild

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@@Mike-LitorisSoBig Oh yeah, his tafsir is a comedy.

@@xyve6129 that's the most polite description possible for the bafoonery this guy vomited in form of a book series.

I’d love to know what you mean as well. Or even point in the direction of the video you mentioned.

​@@Fhtlearning 6:25 in or so. It's taken from a longer interview I'm going to translate at some point God willing kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y62Ef86W0tumeoU.html

I am xtian but I see these former xtians or Europeans who converted to Islam follow what has been there. Many smart scholars misled people because people didn't have access to knowledge. So they told people each verse came in response to a scenario. I have waited for them to give the scenario in Hadith which resulted in crucifiction,cause you to die verses but non has quoted that instead they go to scholars and follow conjecture. That's the same problem in xtianity trinity is smart guys fabricating statements which don't have basis in bible..that God is the father God the son God the Spirit . Bible teaches One God father of us all Jesus son of God not biological clearly,the messiah , God's divine messenger The Spirit of God proceeds from him and is divine. The messiah and the Spirit are not God. DIETY..bring.. God.. NOT=DIVINE..attributes of diety some shared by his creation

Do not let this sia propagandist deceive you

Exactly! For example, in the Quran, Allah literally says had it been from any other than Allah, you would have found much contradiction. The Hadith/Sunnah corpus is riddled with contradictions, but no, the Quran needs the Sunnah. Do they not have eyes to see and ears to hear themselves?

Agreed

This interpretation and dogmatic stand made me re consider my beliefs in this regard. Then I found quite a few historical events that were covered up. Today I identify as a Muslim.

What was your Aqeedah and Madhhab as a Sunni?

@@Hastenforthedawm Never really payed attention to it, but I was a Hanafi. As for my aqeedah, Maturidi probably...

Thank you. Keep delaying part 2 ... Should just sit and get on with it

@@QuranicIslam take your time to make it powerful as many people will use it thereafter. Excellent arguments. May Allah bless your efforts.

Did get a little heated ... 🔥

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Exactly. And yet another is that we are under no obligation to trust a single Hadiths transmitter or collector

The Prophet who received and preached the Quran is not present in it, as it is the speech of God addressed to the said Prophet. The Prophet was once a flesh and bone person walking this earth like ourselves, but after his death his presence ceases to be. So while the Qur'an was meticulously and miraculously preserved in both oral and written form by the early Muslims, the sayings and biographical records of the Prophet in question thereof becomes a necessity to collect and sort through/catalogue/categorize etc. The process that resulted from this ended up as volumes and volumes of collections we call Hadith and Seerah. The Qur'an was effortless before it was already here, being the direct revelation from God, but the Hadith and Seerah were an effort because precise recording and verifying of real-life history is an arduous process. The early Muslims while Muhammad was alive didn't have to worry about this because they could interact with him. The Muslims in following generations however had to worry about it and find a feasible solution. Qur'an and Hadith/Seerah are different categories but it doesn't invalidate the latter simply because it wasn't revealed and preserved in the manner of a direct revelation from God, because revelation and history are different epistemological categories.

@@Hastenforthedawm Sure ... but that isn't the issue here. The issue here is giving God His due. Enough to concede that it is enough to guide on its own. An enough to allow it to be a Furqan for you over the inherited Sunnah. Give the Qur'an at least that much due, then nothing of the tradition can harm you. In part 2 I will be adding a lot more points about the Hadith and its collection and transmission

Spell God.

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Glad you enjoyed it!

Exactly, there is more than one acceptable way to pray. Quran does state to rise and stand firm, recite the verses of Allah (not too loud, not to faint), and bow in submission. It also gives directions for ablution and gives times for prayer. 5:6 O believers! When you rise up for prayer, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of ˹full˺ impurity, then take a full bath. But if you are ill, on a journey, or have relieved yourselves, or have been intimate with your wives and cannot find water, then purify yourselves with clean earth by wiping your faces and hands. It is not Allah’s Will to burden you, but to purify you and complete His favour upon you, so perhaps you will be grateful. 11:114 "And establish the Prayer at the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night. Indeed the good deeds drive away the evil deeds. This is a Reminder to those who are mindful of Allah." 50:39 So be patient ˹O Prophet˺ with what they say. And glorify the praises of your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. 59:40 And glorify him in hours of night, proclaim His purity, and at the ends of prostration.

Will try to get it done this weekend ... it has been a very difficult past week for me

Oh that's coming! ... in the part after the next actually ... which I want to make the final part on this for now. Like I said, I want to put important things/points in these initial reaction videos in order to reference people to them in future videos. I couldn't have asked, I don't think, for a better video/interview to comment on for that purpose. Pretty much everything that is wrong , most of the bad justifications for Hadiths being "needed", are found here. So, I'll get to them. But may take time ... work, family, new baby, etc ... I homeschool my kids too, one with dyslexia.

Jazakallah and to your family

Salaam ... there isn't much about laylatul qadr in the Qur'an. It is all just in that one sura. So it is up to you how much of the traditional view you think makes sense. It is certainly a great night. But note the following; 1) the night itself is better than a thousand months, that doesn't mean the rituals you do in it are x1000 months, 2) the ruh and angels descend in it with the permission of Allah with all types of commands, so if there was a night you could meet an angel or have a prayer/affair answered for you, then that's certainly a better night than others.

Jazakallah ... I haven't stopped, just go through times where it isn't easy to find the space and time because of kids, work, etc. I have a baby who is now in the "terrible 2s" stage and I'm having to now work daily and closely with another child due to dyslexia

@@QuranicIslam May ALLAH make easy for you, and bless you and your family brother. May alllah reward you immensely

How very true

I just read up on it. I have questioned these so called 'scholars' for quite some time, then decided to go thru Bukhari n Muslim texts, i immediately cleansed myself of that filth. Not many people have heard of this treaty, makes sense where all hadith narrations got influenced from.

Walaykum asalaam. I actually think talked about that very Hadith in part 2. Bottom line? The early tyrants used to try to force the tabi'in to pray on the Mosques every salat in order to keep an eye on them. So their scholars invented those narrations to force any possibly opposition to be where they could keep track of them. A lot of the relevant narrations for that are in Fath alBari of ibn Rajab (not ibn Hajar) But automatically, if not for being trained to swallow Hadiths, you should know that the Prophet would never even THINK of doing something like that ... let alone swearing and threatening to do it! Check part 2 ... I think I spoke about it there. Pretty sure, but not 100%. I made these videos a long time ago now

@@QuranicIslam Thank you for answering me, brother.

@@QuranicIslam I was wondering, do you believe in praying at mosque on Friday especially?

@@thehourglassfan3515 Yes, I do. I pray the normal 5 daily prayers btw

@@QuranicIslam Beautiful, brother. I’m happy to hear that. I do too. All Thanks and Praises Be to Allah. AlHamdullillah. Brother, Zakir Naik made a video on whether praying at mosque is obligatory or not, it scared me but again, it doesn’t surprise me, I am completely disassociated from the likes of him so.

Salaam, thanks for the comment. No, I don't reject all Hadiths either ... in fact there are a great many that I accept. The issue here is about giving the Qur'an its due, giving God His due, that it isn't as deficient, nor weak, nor needy ... but in fact is more than capable for guidance. The quote from Dhahabi is of course in earlier sources too, like ibn 'Ady, but Dhahabi has it under his entry for Hassan bin Ali al-Ma'mary. In part 2 inshallah I plan to highlight a few other equally key issues Yes, Umar bin Abdul Aziz was involved in that too, but Zuhri was earlier. And separate cities also. Umar don't forget was of Banu Ummayah ... he grew up with their practices and narrations and even the cursing Ali like all the other young men at the time, until one of his teaches told him not to (bc he saw goodness in him) ... when he became the governor he didn't even know the times of salat were set by the Jibreel, but he could at least be approached and taught that, unlike the previous leaders. So as he started to learn more and more, and move from under his Ummayad yoke and upbringing, he realized the important of having true Hadiths preserved and collected. He had himself lived through lies For Zuhri and Hajj, yes there is ... And as strong as anything. Of course Ahlul Hadith will "explain away" such things, but that isn't a surprise. Zuhri spent decades in the court of these tyrants. There are some good stances of courage that he took, but Ahlul Hadith will try to make you believe that he was always the same ... very few ever are ... And those who are always righteous don't last in the court of tyrants. Allah says not to take the corner of the tyrants lest the fire touch you; لا تركنوا إلى الذين ظلموا فتمسكم النار Ultimately though he was even willing to revolt against them with Zayd bin Ali, but he (in weakness) said he "couldn't" while Hisham (whom he had served longest) was alive, but when alWalid comes to power he would help (help Zayd bin Ali in his revolution) Sure, Hisham was important ... every leader imprints himself on the people during his time, and the people also try to conform to him. Unfortunately, we are just stuck with Zuhri. He was close to the authorities so his narrations became widespread. For the same reason why Abu Hurayra, ibn Umar, Aisha, ibn 'Abbas, etc have over 1k narrations in the six collections ... when you check you find either they or their primary students were in favour of authoraties. Sa'd bin Waqqas for example, one of earliest Muslims, great general of armies, one of the 6 of Umar, etc ... he lived his life in Madina and died same year as Abu Hurayra ... yet he only has 150 Hadiths ... why? The same "students/narrators" had access to both, both being in madina. Because he stood up against Mu'awiya and his cursing of Ali while Abu Hurayra facilitated it and was rewarded by Mu'awiya with the governorship of Madina. Then the students of Abu Hurayah were also pro-Ummayd, then they narrated to Zuhri. You see? People and students will rush to learn from "official outlets" and will stay away from those the"media machine" side lines. Even now majority of people take their news and cues from mainstream media ... even though that is changing. Back then all people heard was the tongue of the sultan from the minbar on Friday. Imam Malik was afraid to narrate Hadiths with Ja'far alSadiq in the chain until after Banu Ummayah. AlShafi'i was almost killed for being "Shi'i" .... etc etc ... the situation was very dark. Anyway ... Hope I answered that, sorry I rambled a bit.

Thanks Well, yes of course some Prophets were better than others. Why shouldn't they be when they had free will and acted and some of them acted better than others or went through harder times and were tested more. Nuh who stuck with calling his people for so long isn't like Yunus who got angry and left his mission and would have been in the belly of the whale till judgment day (as the verse says) had he not been of those who glorified God in repentance. And yes, God preferred some Prophets with gifts and graces and mercies which He did not bestow on others The "do not distinguish between the Prophets" has become a repeated slogan unfortunately. Its origins is in the "baggage" of some who come to "Quranism" with the Salafi/Wahhabi dislike of praise for the Prophet Muhammad. When those people got disillusioned with traditional Islam and the hadiths, i think they feel emotionally hurt by the Prophet though it wasn't his fault. And so they jumped on this bandwagon that "Muhammad was nothing special" and all Prophets are exactly the same ... that got mentally interwoven with their trying to rebuttal hadiths; If Muhammad wasn't special, his hadiths aren't either Anyway ... no ... those verse say that they don't separate the Prophets into different "teams" ... fareeq is a team ... like a football team, pitting them against each other as if they are on different teams. Rather all of the Prophets and Messengers are on the same team. But that doesn't mean they are all equal or equally favored ... that would be unjust. God gives degrees based on actions. Prophets that did more or worked harder or went thrugh more difficult situations, etc etc will have a higher rank with God Anyway ... an example of that attitude i mentioned above recently came on reddit. It was in the context of (once again) questions on how to pray ... this person was happy to attribute the traditional salat to Ibrahim or Ismail ... that it came from them, rather than from Muhammad. Why? No reason i think but that latent discontent with the Prophet Muhammad himself. Here is what he/she wrote; "My whole view is that the prayer was preserved by the Quraysh since Ishmael told his people how to do it. It could also be a remnant from the scrolls of Abraham. The tashahhud was preserved but the use of durood where the prophet is mentioned was something that was added on later. If you look at the shias, they don't even raise their finger, so it can be said that it was preserved as the sunnis differ about it. What can be definitely sure is that the prayer encompasses standing, bowing and full prostration are the structures that haven't changed at all." This is what i replied; "I honestly I see those sort of explanations as nothing more than a latent aversion to the Prophet Muhammad ... either due to some fanatic Salafi/Wahhabi background about "idolizing" Muhammad, or an aversion that has developed as a reaction to Hadiths That aversion wants to make the salat as something from Ibrahim or Ismail that the Arabs preserved (while somehow also loosing any words/prayers associated with it) something for which there isn't a scrap of evidence .... Rather than have the salat format the whole Ummah of Muhammad follows actually be from Muhammad As if he wasn't a Prophet for God's sake! There are people in the "Quranists" camp who have real issues with Muhammad (saw). They'd rather accept things from Ibrahim or Ishmael than from Muhammad. And now even pure speculation about the "scrolls" ... as if they would contain a description of salat and the Qur'an wouldn't. Why is it you think Ibrahim or Ismail could receive from God or invent a salat themselves and teach it ... but Muhammad couldn't? There is nothing wrong with the tashahhud or the duroud in salat. No, they weren't added later. Yes, Shia do also point and raise their fingers (not that such a detail matters or is something the Prophet could have done or not done in different ways and at different times) The traditional salat is from the Prophet ... if you don't like it, fine ... adapt it and change it"

@@QuranicIslam thank you

Yeah, I'll try to do that next time, but sometimes I mention a verse without planning too. I wish the app used to add the verses had the sura number too. But I'll try to do that next time

Can you elaborate more please? What are you finding difficult? And what part exactly? You mean the works are voided/fallen? Not sure what you are asking ... but maybe keep in mind that there is a difference between 1) not believing, 2) apostatizing from the Deen, and 3) becoming a kafir. So maybe start there?

Next few days inshallah ... just got busy with life things

Great comment, great questions. But I'll have to be brief for each point otherwise this will become too long. And you seem to know what you are about anyway, so I don't know if this will give you anything new, but perhaps someone else reading this is asking the same question. What skills do you need? For basic guidance, hardly any and no linguistic skills. Any translation of the Qur'an will do. Just understand that of course you cannot get into intricacies ... not without Arabic ... you won't be able to "see" all of the little roads and alleyways and unique things. But you will certainly be able to see all of the main roads and highways of what the Qur'an is teaching ... that is not so weak as to be hidden by one layer of translation. And honestly, all those things are obvious anyway and confirmed by fitra ... the Qur'an will then just confirm them for you and stop people from misguiding you away from them. Just be attentive when you read ... for example it is obvious as you read that all the "disbelievers" actually believe in the Qur'an and there are no atheists in the Qur'an. Which then seems obvious ... atheism is a pretty modern thing. So no, I don't think the Qur'an is very clouded. It resists being clouded very well because of how simply it is written. But if you are still worried about that, then there are only really a few key terms to understand most of the Qur'an; 'ibada, shirk, emaan, islam, kufr, shucker, nifaq, taqwa, ilaah ... these I call "the big nine", and you could add "salad" to make ten if you like. And these terms are all present enough in the Qur'an so as to be sufficiently defined by the Qur'an itself. I would highly recommend the book by Izutsu "Ethico-linguistic terms in the Qur'an". He analyzed a lot of these words through the Qur'an's own semantic field. Izutsu by the way was a Japanese linguistic prodigy who was fluent in over 30 languages and did the first direct translation of the Qur'an from Arabic to Japanese. He came to really love the Qur'an and see a lot of parallels in it and in Sufism with his background of Taoism and Zen Buddhism. Point is that he showed that the Qur'an's key vocabulary upon which it is build is self-consistent within its own self and is even redefined away from pre-Islamic jahili poets Arabic at times ... and that is true. Because when God said He would preserve the Dhikr, it also means it is in such a way that its meanings are self-suffiencet for the Dhaka The only other thing you need is a heart that is not locked. And the only one who can lock your heart is yourself. So just trust in the Qur'an and let God see you sitting and "trying" with it and it will open up for you. It may seem slow at first, because a previous mentality might be silently getting undone first. But stick with it. Yes, thanks for that example you mentioned at the end ... very true. For those who are not sure what is meant by Surat al Dean, see a video on this channel that is part of the playlist "Qur'anic Readings" Salaam

​@@QuranicIslam Yes, brother agreed. And I think we must also bear in mind the 'nature' of the Quran. It is a book of guidance and signs and rules. This means the following: Books like this work with 'open norms'. Which means that it is by its nature impossible to spill out every detail or examples of what is meant. So that is why people often say that the analogy-interpretation is also a source of Islam. So indeed that is why we should look Quran--> down. If it has a basis in the Quran we can derive knowledge from these life lessons. Yes I agree that I exeggerated a little bit by using the word 'clouded'. But yes, there can be barriers in the way of understanding, which we can overcome our selves. in fact the Quran instructs us how to read it. I think a lot of rules how to read the Quran are implicitly and explicitly in the Quran. It instructs the reader: It hammers on that we should ponder, that there are no contradictions and that some aya are mukhamat and others mutashabihat and that there are people with a disease in their heart who seek for wrong interpretation. And that we should follow the best of what was revealed. And I think it also instructs that we should understand the book in its entirety. I also forgot to mention other aspects of external sources of understanding the Quran, for example time of revelation and history and context in which they were revealed: are these a must in understanding Quran or at least for some parts? I think the answer is that a person who is approaching the Quran with no context, knowledge of history should not expect to understand *every* aspect or verse of it. Maybe that is also part of the Mukhamat and mutashabihat. Some verses are the Mother of the Book. Like a verse like a verse that says Allah commands adl and ihsan and forbids fahshai munkar and baghy. On the other hand you have verses that are related to specific events which not directly inform the reader what it is referring to like for example surah Quraysh or surah al Fil which seems to point at specific events. I am not saying these are not guiding Surah but I am saying for a general reader who does not have the context they would not comprehend directly what it is. Whilst it probably was important at the time of revelation and now only people with context know what it is reffering to. So to some degree it would be handy to be aware of this context. Allah tests us with everything also with gaining knowledge. For example one might say I dont understand it and may grow arrogant. the correct attitude is if we approach a verse like that which we do not understand: We just trust Allah and say kullun min indee Allah. With gaining knowledge and doing good Allah doesnt ask more of us than we could potentially do as an individual. 7:42: وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَعَمِلُوا۟ ٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتِ لَا نُكَلِّفُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَآ أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ أَصْحَـٰبُ ٱلْجَنَّةِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَـٰلِدُونَ

Surat Ad-Deen and a few verses from the quarter-end of Surat An-Nisa have been thrown in my face from family members with regard to Salah. But here’s the thing: if you’ve read and pondered over those verses - because I’m sure they’ve haven’t even pondered over them - you’d know they are talking about something else entirely. Like is Surat An-Nisa, when a verse say: “when they stand for Salah, they stand lazily, and they make a show to the people.” Now, when you go to Surat Ad-Deen, you truly understand what it means to have sahwah in one’s Salah. Salah is closely related to the sabib or means to Zakah, i.e., spending wealth as the means to self-purity - you do so on the orphan and the hungry of the poor, all for the sake of God’s countenance. And thereby God rewards you with self-purity, for it is Allah who makes one Zaki. Then the beginning of Surat Al-Baqarah corroborates the relationship between Salah and spending what God provides you, placing them next to each other when defining the Muttaqeen. The Salah should be the means to spending wealth for God’s countenance, among other ends, like remembrance of God. So, salah is a process or instrument that leads to such remembrance, in which you are reminded that you should spend your wealth in the manner Allah defined as virtuous (See Surat Al-Baqarah).

Sorry ... work, family, new born, homeschooling and daughter with a learning disability. So just don't get the time. However, we have been doing regular live streams ... it was once a week for over a year and then once per two weeks. See the "live" tab. The first 15-30 mins a brief presentations on various topics

😆 I'd forgotten I said that!

Exactly. That is part of the history pushed by Quraysh. That all the Muhajirun were sincere, and hypocrisy was only among the Ansaar. Yet the munafiqun mentioned at the start of Surat albaqara are certainly not Ansaar but Muhajirun. So no, it isn't correct. Munafiqun and those in whose hearts is a disease are mentioned in early Meccan suras (e.g Q29:10-11, and Q29 is unanimously fully Meccan sura) There were some who were known, but you should also understand it is a group in flux. Some gain emaan and become sincere, others loose emaan and start to doubt. Actual names I could point to with certainty? No. Too much cover up regarding the Badr incident. From the narrations we could suspect anyone who tried and forced the Muslims to take prisoners ... that they were acting more in nifaq than in emaan. The obvious ones would be Abu Bakr and Abdulrahman bin 'Awf. But then also the cover up of making Umar seem better and more knowledgeable than the Prophet could be a cover up for that ... or just one of the ways later tyrants tried to extol Caliphs as better than Messengers. And of course we only have these snippets because these are people that had key roles later and became famous. About Talha, his defending the Prophet is true, but I'd hardly call how he died a martyrdom. He died a rebel after breaking his pledge of allegiance to Ali. But again, don't think that people don't flop back and forth between nifaq and emaan, kufr and emaan, doubt and certainty ... they do and the Qur'an mentions it often. E.g { اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا ثُمَّ کَفَرُوۡا ثُمَّ اٰمَنُوۡا ثُمَّ کَفَرُوۡا ثُمَّ ازۡدَادُوۡا کُفۡرًا لَّمۡ یَکُنِ اللّٰہُ لِیَغۡفِرَ لَہُمۡ وَلَا لِیَہۡدِیَہُمۡ سَبِیۡلًا ؕ } [Surah An-Nisāʾ: 137] Sahih International: Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allāh forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way. And some only closer on some days to kufr than emaan; { وَلِیَعۡلَمَ الَّذِیۡنَ نَافَقُوۡا ۚۖ  وَقِیۡلَ لَہُمۡ تَعَالَوۡا قَاتِلُوۡا فِیۡ سَبِیۡلِ اللّٰہِ اَوِ ادۡفَعُوۡا ؕ  قَالُوۡا لَوۡ نَعۡلَمُ قِتَالًا لَّاتَّبَعۡنٰکُمۡ ؕ  ہُمۡ لِلۡکُفۡرِ یَوۡمَئِذٍ اَقۡرَبُ مِنۡہُمۡ لِلۡاِیۡمَانِ ۚ  یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ بِاَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ مَّا لَیۡسَ فِیۡ قُلُوۡبِہِمۡ ؕ  وَاللّٰہُ اَعۡلَمُ بِمَا یَکۡتُمُوۡنَ ۚ } [Surah Āli-ʿImrān: 167] Sahih International: And that He might make evident those who are hypocrites. For it was said to them, Come, fight in the way of Allāh or [at least] defend. They said, If we had known [there would be] battle, we would have followed you. They were nearer to disbelief that day than to faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allāh is most knowing of what they conceal - So it is messy to try to pull out names other than the obvious ones, most of whom are later "converts", like Mu'awiya, 'Amr, Abu A'war alSulami, Abu Musa alAsh'ari, al Mughira, etc ... Those we can be sure of. Plus a munafiq may often actually think he is a mu'min bc he has no actual concept of emaan ... he has never tasted it and just assumes he is the same as everyone else. Hence those narrations trying to define and give clues about what real nifaq looks like and what real emaan is like.

@@QuranicIslam Thanks for your response. The idea that people go back and forth from faith to nifaq here is key. Sunnis tend to hold on to the faith aspects while the Shia hold on to the nifaq aspects. Though Shia are usually right about the events. About the munafiqun in Makkah, why did they join the Prophet in the first place. It was not that he had any power there. Why would they bear the persecution if they had a disease in their hearts? Edit: Zayd offered to leave his wife because he thought the Prophet liked her? Also, he already had four wives at the time. Why was a special provision made so that he could marry her?

@@Lens.Grinder Not everyone was persecuted, and no one was for the first 5 years or so. It depended entirely on your social status. But as for why, many possibilities ... from spying for others to seeing an opportunity to be part of new movement. Plus nifaq isn't necessarily consciously being duplicitous No, the Prophet didn't suddenly desire Zaynab. But maybe Zaid saw through the Prophet trying to conceal what he already knew; that marrying the divorcee of an adopted son is not a taboo I think bc of his position and what they were supposed to become; centres of learning and charity.

@@QuranicIslam The book said Zayd made the offer while she was married to him. Probably one of the reasons the divorce happened in the first place. This seems unbelievable to me. Edit: The book also mentions the Prophet's marriage to Umm Salama in the passing. I had only heard her name so did a bit of research. I read that she is the one who the Prophet took with him on important expeditions/battles. He used to consult with her on important matters in general... A bit like Hz Khadijah. It is strange that we don't know much details about her.

@@Lens.Grinder Yeah that part is likely nonesense. And even if it were true, it would be a mark against Zaid. No, people just divorce sometimes. And most of it is private. Yes, Umm Salama according to Hassan al-Maliki (and I agree) was the best of the wives. She actually dies the same year as Aisha, but we have very few Hadiths from her bc she used to speak out against the Ummayad's and was a strong supporter of Ali

Who can stop laughter?

Yes, it is well known. You going about it the wrong way. Bukhari is a collection, a late collection as well. I don't know the specifics of how many in Bukhari KZfaq comments isn't the place for "proof". Just go read his entries in the books of Rijaal.

Salaam ... I don't have a video on it actually, but inshallah one day I will. On that and Hell as well. Not sure if I have anything to add from what you've heard, because I don't know what else you've read ... there is one point I never see. Would love to explain it now, but I can't. Maybe remind me another time

Put this in your KZfaq search, “Adnan Ibrahim, is God incapable or evil,” this video may have the answers you’re looking for, just make sure to turn on captions :)

thanks for the comments

A diabolical lie which works on the gullible who go "wow! See? He said you'd say that". Are you really so easily tricked into belittle the Qur'an and God's detailing of haram and halal? No my friend ... the Prophet wasn't given anything else "like" the Qur'an ... nor could anyone else bring anything like it ... nor is the sunnahs of Caliphs AFTER him, which I assume you believe also is needed for guidance, they also are not "like the Qur'an". Nothing is like the Qur'an. But I will get into more points in part 2 inshallah

​@@QuranicIslamso much for learning the Quran. If he did hed recall Allahs verses which clearly state the Messengers sole responsibility is to deliver the Message; the Quran. These people have tainted the purity of the religion with an advent and associated with their Lord and exalted innovation next, if not beyond the Quran.

Well, I wouldn't say explicit prayer is necessary. If you use the tools of truth, you will find truth ... even if you pray that you don't find it. But I would agree with everything else. In the context of the Qur'an, humanity is blamed numerous times with the following; "It is He who has made for you hearing and sight and mind, how little are you grateful!" ... the word used is actually "shukr", and shukr is the real gratitude of "actions speak louder than words". What God says is "how little you truly use them as they should be used!" ... Like if someone gives you a book they know and tell you is very beneficial, but all you do is "thank him" but never do what you are supposed to do with a gift of a book; read it. Using our God given facalties is in itself more powerful than prayer ... because they are already the answer. We wouldn't even have needed to pray if we had shown true gratitude in their use BUT :) of course I don't mean to belittle prayer! And we certainly should be praying for guidance and its increase. I certainly have not stopped!

Same comment? Both videos? And this one has nothing about Ghadeer Khumm. So ... will you put this comment on all my videos now? Well anyway ... I'll copy my same reply; There's no deception going on, nor am I shia, nor do i have a shia background. Your suspicion is just bc of your immersion in sectarian squabbles. See my channel which has been around for years. But the Shia are right in some things, Sunnis in others, neither in still others. Wrt Ghadeer Khumm they have it right, even if they have the emphasis wrong. There is no such thing as "hadiths are false". That isn't what I said, so if that is what you heard then you are not listening. There are false hadiths, there are true hadiths, and there are hadiths that are a mixture of truth and falsehood. And there are true and false hadiths that no one knows about, buried in books. And true hadiths lost, burnt or never conveyed. But this video was about the Qur'an. It was about how the Qur'an alone is still enough for guidance ... more than enough in fact. And it was against the belittling of the Qur'an as being impotent for guidance without the Sunnah. And also how the Sunnah/hadiths doesn't actually interpret the Qur'an at all ... let alone it being "hermenuetically more powerful" than the Qur'an. So if you want to comment, comment on that first .... then I will take what you have more seriously on the side issues of which you seem so sensitive about

Jazakallah Yes you're right about choosing that "safe option" ... it can only be chosen if you don't know how both clash

I'll be getting to some of those points and the background to them in part 2 and part 3 (which should be the final part), so hold those thoughts please. And thank you for taking the time to write them out

Maybe. But anyone can go watch the original video. Besides which, he'll get to say it in the next part. And anyway ... any justification he gives for those statements are his and can be dealt with separately. Here I was mostly dealing with those statements themselves, statements which aren't even his or his own or his points ... he transmits them first and accepts them as authoritative. His justifications, explanations and will be dealt with in subsequent parts. Also it is a long podcast. I'm not going to comment on the whole thing ... it would take forever. So I'm choosing to look at specific parts deeply enough that listeners who are attentive will be able extrapolate to the rest of the podcast, and to other similar views. Lastly, like I said at the end, I want these first reaction videos to lay some ground work and be references for future reaction videos so future videos can be shorter and in them I can just say "see this video to see how it is Ahlul Hadith who hold the power and gate keep the Sunnah" or "see here for examples of Hadith tampering" or "see here to understand what it means to testify for God rather your tradition" etc As for those liberals you mentioned ... I'm sure you are not saying that the Qur'an doesn't contain all those things, right? ... They are all found correctly in the Qur'an ... so why do they need the Sunnah? To make them take the Qur'an seriously? And you are trying to prove the Qur'an needs the Sunnah by trying to show that liberals need the sunnah because they ignore/corrupt the Qur'an? That doesn't make any sense nor does it prove why the Qur'an needs the sunnah. And in that you are insinuating that the Qur'an doesn't express those things clearly enough ... which is exactly what I am against. It does express all those things clearly enough. Then the one who sees, sees ... and the one who is blind, is blind through no fault or deficiency in the Qur'an. And why, like I said, if you can't gain the guidance you need from the Qur'an alone then they only have themselves to blame. If they end up "needing the sunnah" then THEY are failing with the Qur'an. It doesn't mean the Qur'an needs the sunnah. And please focus on the word "need". There is a video I do need to make though that is on the list. A video about what the Qur'an is and is not ... which perhaps Quranists will not fully agree with Salaam 👍

@@QuranicIslam Ok, seems like a good plan how you will go about doing more rection videos. Looking forward to them... When it comes to [liberal]quranists or however they call themselfs. Brother if I was not born to islam, and having understanding of the tradition, without prophet's example, I too would probably be misguded. I don't speak arabic and I could easily be prosvaded by those that some of those quranic terms are something else. So yes, prophet's example complements quran and I do feel that we need it, otherwise, anyone can intrpret quran any way they want. And plese don't tell me that's okay? Let me try to answer each point you made: For those that ignore/corrupt the quran - would they do that if they accept prophet's way? They would not be able to, but they choose to reject sunah to be able to corrupt quran. Quran doesn't express things clearly - apprently not otherwise they would not be able to corrupt and twist it if it was clear enough, right? I don't speak arabic so I can't ready see it for my self. Someone needing sunah - I would not say that's an issue, that is just a confirmation to what quran it telling us. There is a reason why quran talks and reapeat many things, well in the same way we have prophet's way. I see it as theory class and lab class. Both are important. Word "need" - I may have missed what you were trying to say. But let me see if I got it right. Are you telling me that those that do corrupt quran by chaning the meaning of salah, hajj, ramadan, zekat... those are nothing more than blind disbelivers. They may call themseves whatever they want but they are misguided mostly due to thier whimps and desires.

​@@laad Missed this reply 😆 No ... I don't think that's okay ... but I think the narrated sunnah makes it worse. It makes you interpret the Qur'an as someone ELSE, usually a tyrant in the past or a sectarian bigot or a corrupting hypocrites or infiltrating Jew/Christian, etc wants you to interpret it. I don't accept that with only the Qur'an you can interpret it "however you want". No ... you can't. Holding onto the Qur'an and nothing else will ALWAYS lead to interpreting within guidance ... and if with in God's guidance He has made some things spacious to do what we want within His limits/hudud, then that's a mercy ... it is something to be happy about. Not something to think "Oh! how terrible! everyone is doing whatever they want/choose within the hudud of God, interpreting as they like" ... that's *good* ... not bad. It is religious abuse you've suffered that makes you see that as bad and want everyone to have the "same interpretation" On the other hand, with the "Sunnah" they can completely SMASH the hudud if Allah by telling you it abrogates verses, interprets verses, limits verses, expands verses, etc etc ... kill apostates, stone adulterers, don't let Muslim kids inherit from nonMuslim parents and vice versa, offensive jihad, return of Jesus, everyone in Hell but Muslims, etc etc etc So I completely disagree. The Qur'an doesn't let you interpret however you want ... and the fake Sunnah forces you to interpret how *they* want. So ... choose. As for those you mentioned ... they are just Muslims who have become jaded and distrustful because of Hadiths and so lost their way a little. It may take time, but if they stick with the Qur'an it will bring them back on those superficial points ... In the meantime most of them are gaining true guidance from the Qur'an and true submission to God and wanting only to please Him and follow Him. I think they are in a much better position than most ... even if they think salat is not a ritual

@@QuranicIslam I think we are talking past each other. You are pointing to the wrongdoing of those far on one side, those that follow sunah, lets call them far right, but when you talk about the other side, quranist, call them left side, you are addressing those that don't go to extremes, don't swing all the way to far left. So from that perspective, I'm pretty much with you on that. However, I'm talking about far left vs call it moderate right. For example, I'm talking about those that redefine word salat to be something else other than (ritual) prayer, while you are addressing those that try to impose their way of prayer, every little step, as the only right way to do it. Same thing with other words I pointed out before like siyam, hajj, ramadan... I'm arguing that redefining the meaning of well-established words is wrongdoing just as much as wrongdoing of those that take their school of thought/sunnah as the only right way. As such, my argument is that we need information about what what prophet did to make sure the definition of Quranic words remains as they were revealed. You may argue that we don't need anything else other than arabic language and that is fine. But for those on far left, seems like they need little bit of sunah to get them back on track :D Just to give you an example, take Einstein's paper on relativity theory and change for example, word light to something that has a completely different meaning and see if his document would make any sense, or would you still call this document for what it was. This is what happens with quran when someone comes and redefines well-established words - quran loses its meaning - it's not quran anymore.

@@laad and by which criteria are „well-established words“ as such defined? One example would be sufficient.

yes indeed ... saying something is kufr or not really shouldn't be a problem. It is only a problem and discouraged because the Ummah has made different laws and rights for kuffar

Those are very different questions, so I'll give you my simplified bottom line view. Women don't have to cover their hair ... they just have to dress modestly and appropriately ... the verse of khimar is about covering the cleavage. What a woman SHOULDN'T be is a zania (a married woman who has sexual relations with other than her husband), a khadan (secret mistress to a married man) nor a musafiha (an unmarried women fornicating with an unmarried man). Being a virgin or not is irrelevant There is no "ideal, and of course following the "ideal" isn't always really ideal. What the Qur'an has is something more practical; it talks of doing things according to al-ma'rouf, which literally means "what is known/customary". So, each culture/society will have its own customs based on which, and other "known" factors, they can decide their own minimum age of consent. The only other thing in the Qur'an is that God has placed limits/boundaries/borders within which one must act.

​@@QuranicIslam But how would you even enact that? Shouldn't women be free from any shackles that muslim men impose unto them?

@@sovl2178 I don't see how the above is about men shackling women ... I was talking of 'urf and society ... And women are a part of that just as much as men. Do you think mothers, grandmother's, sisters, aunt, etc are completely silent wrt marriage? They are in fact the ones that usually boss things. Aunties setting up marriages. Mothers vetoing their sons or daughters from marrying. Grandmothers who oversee things. Etc That women have been shackled by solely by men is something of a myth. Women have been shackled by family and other women to a significant degree too. As for how we'd enact that ... well many ways. Whatever way we like within the hudud that preserves justice and rights for both

Heres what the Quran says in regards to modesty/dress attire: 7:26 O children of Adam! We have provided for you clothing to cover your nakedness and as an adornment. However, the best clothing is righteousness. This is one of Allah’s bounties, so perhaps you will be mindful. 24:31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments except what normally appears. Let them draw their veils over their chests, and not reveal their ˹hidden˺ adornments except to their husbands, their fathers, their fathers-in-law, their sons, their stepsons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, their fellow women, those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession, male attendants with no desire, or children who are still unaware of women’s nakedness. Let them not stomp their feet, drawing attention to their hidden adornments. Turn to Allah in repentance all together, O believers, so that you may be successful. 24:39 O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their cloaks over their bodies. In this way it is more likely that they will be recognized ˹as virtuous˺ and not be harassed. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. In my humble opinion, hijab is an innovation. Allah only stated to wear clothing that doesnt reveal 'adornments'. Dress modestly. Heres what the Quran says in regards to a women: 65:4 As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them. A women/man is by nature defined as women/man when the person goes thru puberty. The rest is determined by society. When life is harah, life expectancy is low, people mentally mature sooner. In todays society, we're given an allowance of an extra few years and maturity is defined in later teens. Society defined regulations also apply to judicial rulings as well as financial rulings. Imagine, if 12y/o goes thru puberty and we define them as adults, can they now be tried in court as adults? Can they/should they be allowed to vote, rent a car or conduct financial transactions like gaining a credit card? Then why would they be allowed to start a family? If they do marry, can they move out and live on their own? No they cant, they system isnt setup that way. People of reason get this, why is it so hard to understand?

​@@mgXL7 Females in the workforce drives birth rates into the ground. If someone finished their puberty, they are an adult. Age of consent laws are a puritan feminist invention, that's why most countries set it at around 14. I agree with your point about how society nowadays is not set up for early marriages.

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