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Fundie Dating For Beginners

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Rachel Oates

Rachel Oates

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So I’m now aware that Paul and Morgan have had their baby but this video was written, filmed, edited and uploaded before he was born and I really don’t fancy having to delay my content because of them, so here it is. This video isn’t for Paul and Morgan, I’m sure they’ll never see it, especially not now. It’s for people who might be consuming their content or who are interested in book reviews or dating advice or anything else. I’m hoping they’re all healthy and everything but I don’t really think I should have to change my content because of what’s going on in their life, so they can just do their thing and I’ll just keep doing mine.
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@katiehunter1214
@katiehunter1214 Жыл бұрын
"I'm not good with kids" is NOT an excuse. It is a fact that some people cannot handle children and when someone's self-aware enough to recognize that and not put themselves in charge of kids, that's a GOOD THING.
@robinpotato9886
@robinpotato9886 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I love kids and I am good with kids but I couldn't handle children 24/7 that's why I won't have kids. It's the responsible thing to do. Children deserve a good home and good parents. They are human beings and not toys.
@celeste3100
@celeste3100 Жыл бұрын
That’s me. I’m not mom material. I want to be the single, childless rich auntie.
@rc31802
@rc31802 Жыл бұрын
As a linguist in learned about description vs prescription. Description explores variances and describes how something works. Whereas prescriptivism tells you the way you have to do it. Many Christians are prescriptive. "There is only one right way". I grew up fundie. This was so common that second guessing your own instincts become habit. So many stay in unhealthy and toxic relationships
@robinpotato9886
@robinpotato9886 Жыл бұрын
@@rc31802 YES I also grew up as a fundie. And my parents for example have a really toxic relationship. The only reason they are still together is their religion. And everyone in my house suffers because of it, especially my mom. I just wish that she would realize what is best for her in that situation. I'm also a Christian and I believe that divorce isn't the best, but it can be necessary. If a relationship is only hurting you get tf out of there. My parents only knew each other for a year before they married and that is the reason that before I get married I want to be together with my bf/gf for at least 3 years and I want to live with them together beforehand. What I also can't stand is the homo/transphobia. I would accept it IF those people wouldn't cut their hair and wouldn't wear mixed clothing etc. But even then, the passage about homosexuality was originally about pedophilia. And even if someone thinks it's a sin, as long as everything is consentual it's not hurting anyone.
@bubbakittle6999
@bubbakittle6999 Жыл бұрын
I genuinely don't like children. I mean, I wouldn't hurt one, but I don't find babies cute and will avoid babies and kids any time possible. I can't imagine being genuinely affectionate and would intentionally be emotionally negligent. I would be a terrible parent and I acknowledge that. Still, no matter how I try to explain it, I still used to hear, "It's different when it's your own. You're so loving with your pets, you'd be great. You'll change your mind some day." Now that I'm in my 40's, they have given up and actually believe me.
@Wolf_Avatar
@Wolf_Avatar Жыл бұрын
I can't find the exact quote, but the part where Morgan says something like "I've gotten really good at reading his body language" just set off so many alarm bells in my head. Like... being hyper-vigilant to not make your partner angry. I'm probably reading too much into it, but it gave me such an icky feeling.
@cristy4031
@cristy4031 Жыл бұрын
I had the exact same thought - instantly reading a change in his mood/that he’s upset but not knowing why it happens or what he’s thinking, the way she worded it was pretty unsettling
@Sableagle
@Sableagle Жыл бұрын
You are not the only one. _Her_ body language has been that of a victim of abuse next to her abuser in every video of theirs I've seen.
@jeffengel2607
@jeffengel2607 Жыл бұрын
At the very best, she's the one doing all the work to make sure communication happens in the relationship at all. And I'm not at all optimistic that they're having the very best.
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
Bet he isn't tuned into her body language and facial expressions though. I was watching the God is Grey channel as the owner is a sex postive progressive Christian and she said when in a relationship both of you need to be tuned into each other's non verbal reactions especially during sex.
@skeletalfracture5335
@skeletalfracture5335 Жыл бұрын
I've only watched half of one of their videos, but her body language and their interactions the whole time very much reminded me of when I was with my abuser. Many many red flags.
@kikihyde2299
@kikihyde2299 Жыл бұрын
Finding out Morgan vomited at the altar (from a separate video of Paul and Morgan's) while they were getting married and later cried on their honeymoon 58:10 at the idea of sex involving whipped cream feels like such a sign and makes me deeply concerned for her. Especially the "dude I barely know you!" on their honeymoon?? Bruh you're actively choosing to MARRY him!
@vakarebaranauskaite6691
@vakarebaranauskaite6691 Жыл бұрын
has paul said anything about his proposal and morgans reaction????
@PengySweety8
@PengySweety8 Жыл бұрын
when i saw the clip where she said “dude i barely know him” my jaw dropped because WHAT?? on your honeymoon you feel like this man is a stranger??? (not saying she should’ve done what he wanted bc she has boundaries but that statement was so bizarre)
@user-mv5zt8qd9l
@user-mv5zt8qd9l Жыл бұрын
This is by design of purity culture. They've been fed lies about this being the "best" means to a relationship (including through bogus "God's challenges" rhetoric), so they don't see anything wrong with those things.
@MayBlake_Channel
@MayBlake_Channel Жыл бұрын
I took the "dude I barely know you" remark as kind of a joke--really just meaning 'we're not close enough for that just yet'. Besides, we have to keep in mind that this was (as far as I know) the first time they'd ever had sex with each other. Whipped cream is more of a spicy thing to do with either someone you've been with for a while, or for a one night stand, or really just casual sex in general. When you're just about to have sex with someone you really love for the first time, I think you typically want it to feel intimate and connective. I imagine she felt like he was just trying to rush into the "fun" instead of trying to enjoy loving and tender intimacy with her first
@jentroytravel312
@jentroytravel312 Жыл бұрын
@@MayBlake_Channel, I agree. He wanted to do what he’s seen on TV and in movies thinking that was normal. Besides all sex is the same and she’s had sex before him so why couldn’t she jump into whatever he wanted. Cringey. She was dealing with so much in their honeymoon that he just wasn’t clued into because he got to do the sexy thing now. She had been shamed (by him of all people) for not being a virgin, she vomited at their wedding, she was probably embarrassed about the whole day, whereas he wanted whipped cream.
@kittypryde08
@kittypryde08 Жыл бұрын
I grew up hearing “dating is practicing for divorce” and other harmful messages like this. Now I’m 26 years old, have never been on a date, and genuinely have no idea if I’m asexual or just completely traumatized by purity culture.
@spaghetto9836
@spaghetto9836 Жыл бұрын
Sameee, except I never had a crush & I'm 18.
@KylieJelane
@KylieJelane Жыл бұрын
If you want to go on a date, date. If you want to remain single, stay single. The rules of life are made up and nothing matters. Just be honest with other people on where you are in life, and you never know who might be up for the ride. Platonic or otherwise :) I was raised evangelical and didn’t start dating until I was 20. There’s no perfect timeline.
@kacinema96
@kacinema96 Жыл бұрын
Practicing for divorce? Did the people saying that only believe people should be in arranged marriages or something?
@officialmkamzeemwatela
@officialmkamzeemwatela Жыл бұрын
😂
@kittypryde08
@kittypryde08 Жыл бұрын
@@kacinema96 Basically marry the first person you date, no matter what.
@Resilient_Sage88
@Resilient_Sage88 Жыл бұрын
Paul is definitely the type of guy who was like "How could you do that to me??!!" When Morgan didn't even know him. I wouldn't want to be married to that tool either.
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse Жыл бұрын
yeah i think she is in denial i really hope she figures things out and gets out of that relationship
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
Morgan threw up when saying her vows in the wedding ceremony. That sure is a red flag that she didn't want to marry him. She could have had a career instead.
@Resilient_Sage88
@Resilient_Sage88 Жыл бұрын
@@ferninthehouse The part that troubled me the most was when he was like "You say something terrible but you know they can't go anywhere." Excuse me, what the actual f was that?!
@juno3281
@juno3281 Жыл бұрын
@@lemsip207 WHAT LMAO- that’s so sad
@marlyd
@marlyd Жыл бұрын
I think Paul may have picked a 'defiled' person so he has the religious highground for the eternity of the relationship. No matter what happens in the relationship, she'll always be the ultimate screw-up and he'll aways be the one that did it right.
@soyevquirsefron990
@soyevquirsefron990 Жыл бұрын
I bet Morgan could write a much better more honest book if Paul promised not to read it.
@16poetisa
@16poetisa Жыл бұрын
I honestly wouldn't trust that promise 😬
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
Or even better if she leaves him and spills all the tea on his behind the scene unhinged antics you know they will be pretty damn juicy considering the shit he’s willing to put into the public lol
@justinwatson1510
@justinwatson1510 Жыл бұрын
If you *aren't* freaked out by the idea of getting married after 6 weeks, you need a therapist more than you need dating advice.
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
Sad thing is in fundamentalist circles a lot of times the girl is pressured and even forced into courtship with a man the father wants and then soon after that they have to marry them. And the boys just really want available sex this is the case with the duggars. And specifically Josh’s wife Anna. Im sure she was pretty scared getting married having a first kiss and losing their virginity (with limited or almost no knowledge of what sex really even is) they condition themselves to be happy and show joy at all times but I’m willling to bed a lot of women in these circles are internally screaming. Lots of them are poor with no education and become perpetually pregnant and trapped. Unfortunately not everyone is like Paul and Morgan and girl defined where they are trendy and come from the upper middle class. And most never experienced the freedom and choice Morgan had before she got with paul. She’s a lucky one.
@justinwatson1510
@justinwatson1510 Жыл бұрын
@@kritkratt6383 I was raised in a fundamentalist family. Assuming my family wasn't an anomaly, most of what is shown to the outside world is pure acting. I spent most of my childhood amazed by my mom's ability to transform from a raving lunatic to cloyingly sweet in the blink of an eye. She was also pretty direct with us kids about how we needed to behave to "make a good impression." I don't think they should be allowed to have children without supervision.
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
@@justinwatson1510 not all fundamentalists are like that but it grew a lot mostly thanks to the Duggars pushing things from the IBLP and spreading around bill gothards teachings. A lot of people were sucked into the grift despite gothard and iblp were fringe before. Or them pushing books written by mike and Debbi pearl like “how to train up a child” I get what your saying but it’s certainly not all acting. I personally knew families who got more and more extreme adapting really fringe views Definitely a lot of
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
@@justinwatson1510 I suggest creeping into the Rodrigues family. They’re not a famous a the Duggars by any means but they live like them. Unfortunately for them they are very poor and they married their girls off to whoever they thought could help them out, one of them being one of Anna Duggars brothers. Their poor girls have even less education and life skills and I didn’t know that was possible
@hanatemonstas4485
@hanatemonstas4485 9 ай бұрын
@@kritkratt6383​​⁠This was the case for Morgan. Apparently she had saw red flags in him so she wasn’t sure about marriage, but her mom kept pressuring her. Doesn’t help she was in a terrible headspace after breaking up with her last long term relationship, feeling she is “too damaged” and desperate to take any guy accepting of her. Morgan is “luckier” than the Duggar and other ILNP folk but barely. Jill Duggar seems to have a healthier relationship with her husband than whatever the heck is going on with Morgan and Paul.
@awetistic5295
@awetistic5295 Жыл бұрын
It's so sad that being in a relationship only means being co-workers in a baby factory for them. They don't even understand that you can just love someone, make life better with each other's company or help each other through tough times. As a neurodivergent person with multiple chronic illnesses, it's the only responsible thing for me not to have children. I need help to even take care of myself. I can't handle stress at all. There's also a good chance my kids will inherit my conditions. Giving my rescue rats a wonderful life they wouldn't have otherwise seems like a much more meaningful thing than being a horrible parent.
@uncannedspaghetti
@uncannedspaghetti Жыл бұрын
I’m also neurodivergent and deal with mental illness that is really prevalent on both sides of my family. I’m child free by choice not only for my own sanity, but because I wouldn’t wish my experiences with mental health on anyone. It’s allowed me to adopt several rescue animals and it’s really validating to see someone have a similar experience ☺️
@merbst
@merbst Жыл бұрын
Well said! 😊
@emberk.7881
@emberk.7881 Жыл бұрын
I am also neurodivergent and chronically ill. All my chronic illnesses are genetic. I am a ball of suffering in this world that doesn't value people like me. I will not have children because I would create suffering for myself and another person by doing so.
@samwindmill8264
@samwindmill8264 Жыл бұрын
"Are you a white Christian female? If so, how irresponsible!!! We need to maintain the purity of our race, and take over the US and establish the new Republic of Gilea---wait wait, said too much, point is, MAKING BABIES IS UR GAWD GIVEN DUTY" -conservative nutzos
@angidasdings
@angidasdings Жыл бұрын
exactly! im permanently disabled with cptsd and an entire list of mental health issues, i never, never would want my potential offspring to experience any part of it, leave alone suffer from my disability to take care of them as they deserve, which is why ive had my tubes tied last year, despite being relatively young.
@FireBendingProdigy13
@FireBendingProdigy13 Жыл бұрын
Only dating advice you need: find yourself a person that looks at you like Kyra looks at Rachel.
@infinitedragonbellyx.x
@infinitedragonbellyx.x Жыл бұрын
Or how my dogs are staring at me😂
@Myladyinred999
@Myladyinred999 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but human beings aren‘t dogs 🤦🏻‍♀️
@littlemisspiggy3314
@littlemisspiggy3314 Жыл бұрын
@@Myladyinred999 aren't you clever
@Myladyinred999
@Myladyinred999 Жыл бұрын
@@littlemisspiggy3314 Please ignorieren me if you completely disagree 🤷🏼‍♀️ But to me it’s just sad to want a human being to be similar to a species that was specifically bred to be dependent on humans and to therefore adore their human as though they were a divinity. No matter how bad the human treats them they are willing to do and to endure anything for them and still love them 100%. Dependency is not a good foundation for a fulfilling relationship between humans.
@myeru
@myeru Жыл бұрын
⁠@@Myladyinred999clearly you don't interact with a lot of dogs lol most of them don't just blindly trust people & will react if you treat them poorly, just like a person
@morganwilliams5591
@morganwilliams5591 Жыл бұрын
Those clips of them talking about their marriage at the end, especially the one where Paul started actually POUTING at Morgan while she tried to defuse the situation, are soooooo uncomfortable. I feel like Morgan is trapped in a really unhappy relationship that she tries so hard to convince herself is actually a happy one because she thinks she can't divorce and find someone she truly loves. I hope she gets out of it one day...
@thebeaside
@thebeaside Жыл бұрын
Right, like their whole dynamic is so freaking yikes and that’s the stuff they put out publicly online!?! Imagine what it must be like for the off camera stuff.
@PokemonRules333
@PokemonRules333 Жыл бұрын
@@thebeaside I can imagine what it’s like off camera I can see behind the scenes Paul abusing Morgan it’s like a ticking time bomb going off with those two
@pgyws5137
@pgyws5137 Жыл бұрын
would explain why she's stoned as hell 24/7
@ongakira
@ongakira Жыл бұрын
lmaoo i saw this video of paul and morgan and paul was going off abt how he doesn’t like biracial people in tv shows bc it’s “woke” (i didn’t make that up btw) and morgan was just side eyeing him the entire time, at one point she tried to shut him down but he kept on yapping😭
@druzilla6442
@druzilla6442 Жыл бұрын
"As a woman, I'm learning how to let a man lead" was such a sad sentence... I feel for Morgan although I wish this book didn't exist. It's awful how she seems to restrict herself to fit into his view of "their life". I grew up with these views, it wasn't healthy at all.
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 Жыл бұрын
Are they from the transformed wife cult? It sounds like they are
@spOOkytimes
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Right! A partnership should be a team. Why does the man have to "lead"? In most of these couples the women does most of the work in coordinating things, even budgeting and finance. It's a fake title to make men feel they are more important than just providing the family with income and (hopefully) love and support.
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 Жыл бұрын
@@spOOkytimes 💯 exactly. These religious extremist are getting ridiculous. They look at women like we are underneath man . Why does a partnership need a head leader that is ridiculous. Equal partnership. Women shouldn't be quiet and just let a guy or any one rule them
@sasoriko
@sasoriko Жыл бұрын
I'm curious why "learning how to let a man lead" is so sad. I'm interested in the perspective you're seeing it from. If she is limiting herself to fit into someone else's view that is not Biblically based.
@druzilla6442
@druzilla6442 Жыл бұрын
@@rowanquynn9964 That's a red flag right there, I'm sorry your mom liked to have someone controlling you. I don't get why some parents can't seem to embrace all of who their children are.
@feliciam1091
@feliciam1091 Жыл бұрын
Paul: It's nice knowing... She can't go anywhere! ME: AHHHH! Oh my god, RUN! Edit: Also, as a married person, it makes me so sad to hear them talk about marriage. I am so fucking happy, and even when my spouse and I have difficulties, I do literally go to bed everyday so happy that I'm married to my spouse. I can't imagine being married to someone who I'm not thrilled to be with most of the time. It just doesn't make sense to me.
@RickReasonnz
@RickReasonnz Жыл бұрын
I think I've seen that clip before but uuughhh that just makes the stomach lurch.
@peacechickification
@peacechickification Жыл бұрын
I once knew a couple, and she was asking him for a boob job. What was his response, IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE?! “I’ll only get you a boob job after we’re married. I don’t want you getting self esteem and leaving me”
@Dan.Slaughter.
@Dan.Slaughter. Жыл бұрын
Im jealous, wish i felt like that. Im glad you are happy.😀
@hexonyou
@hexonyou Жыл бұрын
right? It's truly depressing hearing people talk about dating and marriage like this; I've been married to my spouse for 12 years, together for 15. We have a child together, we've both worked through trauma together, we've both come through gender questioning and out the other side. I can't imagine dealing with all I have in life with someone that resented or wanted to control me the way these couples seem to with each other. Forever grateful for someone in my life that puts the same emphasis on emotional growth and self development, support, and trust.
@spOOkytimes
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
My spouse is from a conservative Christian household. I am glad he doesn't follow these "tips". I am pretty good at leading people or being "vice president" in groups so to hinder someone else's abilities and control them is not only inherently bad, it is extremely counter productive. It's exhausting always having to make tough call or coordinate things. If the women are still doing the bulk of these things and essentially "leading", why do men feel like they need a fake title? Their fragile egos?
@Maddie-qu3kp
@Maddie-qu3kp Жыл бұрын
Paul and Morgan: "The one with the stronger convictions has their boundaries respected/needs met" Also Paul and Morgan: "Its a red flag if the woman tries to be the leader and take control" Translation: the woman must compromise for the man in order to respect God and honour her partner.
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tossed them a scenario where the dude's a staunch infidel (e.g., an atheist, a Satanist, a Muslim, a Unitarian) and the woman is true blue fundamentalist? What takes priority---the hierarchy of Believers above Non-Believers, or the Patriarchy?
@Maddie-qu3kp
@Maddie-qu3kp Жыл бұрын
@@dinosaysrawr I think they'd say a true Christian woman would never marry an infidel so shame on her for committing to his sinful nature.
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
@@Maddie-qu3kp , you're probably right---but, Paul gets to woo an apostate woman who is fine with premarital sex and wants a (gasp) career in (double gasp) the music industry?
@spOOkytimes
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the women have to be perfect in every single way (based on whatever their husband feels at the time) and put their needs aside, but last time I checked, leaders are supposed to be the ones putting themselves aside for the good of the group. Men reap all the benefits of being the "leader" while women are the ones doing the actual leadership.
@rohanmorningstar7795
@rohanmorningstar7795 Жыл бұрын
Didn't even make that connection. Yikes
@eggybaconbits
@eggybaconbits Жыл бұрын
Kyra's input is, as always, highly appreciated. I really resonate with her grumbles lol
@Sableagle
@Sableagle Жыл бұрын
She's always cheerful and energetic and enthusiastic, until Rachel mention's a certain arsehole's name, and then Kyra growls like she's one squeak of a trainer away from ripping both the guy's feet off, and I love her all the more for that growl. She really spoke on my behalf there. I might not go for the feet, specifically, but I really agreed with that growl.
@amanday3103
@amanday3103 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god who’s first response to “I really hurt my wife” is “good thing she can’t go anywhere”? That’s actual villain shit right there
@net_has
@net_has Жыл бұрын
“No you’re quite similar, you’re both very round” perfect. Kyra and ball are soulmates.
@AW-uv3cb
@AW-uv3cb Жыл бұрын
Paul and Morgan strike me as very young people who grew up in fairly privileged circumstances (healthy, financially secure, not in any minority etc.), went out of their way to avoid any varied experience of life and now think they've got it all figured out and that everyone else has the exact same experience of life (in which they are such experts). I also have a sense that Morgan is the way she is because she let Paul get to her and he moulded her to his ways, but he gives a very weasely vibe. They seemed to have been very incompatible before marrying and I think if they hit any trouble down the road, their relationship might become very unhappy. I just hope that they (Morgan especially, she seems to be the one doing all the accommodating here) will have enough maturity at this point to see that this is not a good relationship and get out of it. On a different note: every time Rachel says something about her abusive ex I'm so happy for her for getting out of the situation.
@spOOkytimes
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Heavily agreed. They have faced their own traumas by just being part of conservative Christianity but they don't even realize it and are continuing the abusive practices and even spreading them. It seems like these two and girl defined are both extremely privileged and surrounded themselves in echo chambers. It's usually a requirement to not be looked down upon in these circles to fulfill the Christian arms race and competition and remain indoctrinated. Their views and egos are very fragile due to them being completely built off an old collection of stories and some guy in their church that isn't Jesus or God telling them arbitrary rules. I say this as a Christian. Their marriage mirrors their religion and is a house of cards.
@lolaartemis
@lolaartemis Жыл бұрын
Might become very unhappy? I think that might already became.
@dmack9431
@dmack9431 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Paul seems like the controlling type that wants an immature girl like Morgan, so he can gaslight and make feel guilty that she "disrespected" him before they met.
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 7 ай бұрын
You just described all fundamentalists.
@LeahDyson-kq4bd
@LeahDyson-kq4bd 3 ай бұрын
Well she ain't privileged anymore she took a backseat so da man can lead lol
@MyDancingShoes
@MyDancingShoes Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Morgan gives me ace vibes. Before I realized I was ace, I felt a lot of similar things to what she describes. Huge sex-related fear and dread (especially of the wedding night! I would cry too if my husband pulled out whipped cream), discomfort with saying sexual words, nerves/disinterest in talking with my partner about sexual fantasies or preferences, no big need to cuddle and kiss right before bed or after waking up, assuming my sex life with my partner was fine and not realizing he wanted more, having to put in a lot of work to try to solve these problems I couldn't understand, and having no idea that how I felt about any of it was abnormal. I thought sex was something I would warm up to over time, exactly like she wrote in the book - "this is what I was waiting for?" and "there's plenty of time to figure it out." In their "things we wish we knew about sex" video, Paul offhandedly says they might have a designated sex day, but sometimes she's not in the mood that day for whatever reason, and it crushes him. Similarly, my partner and I also had unofficial designated sex days, because certain days just lined up with our schedules well and became a pattern. And when I would get performance anxiety or not be able to do it for whatever reason, it would crush him too - probably because he wasn't receiving enough sexual affection from me on days outside those designated ones. Even her comment in the last clip felt familiar - "You act like I never give you any loving." There was a constant feeling of having to "give" my partner physical affection, and it was never enough, and I had no point of reference for understanding why or what he was feeling. It just seemed like it was *really* important to him, and so the problem was me, and I had to put in work to like it more and do more, even though it felt like I was already giving him a lot. Turns out I just wasn't feeling sexual attraction. I know all of this is anecdotal. Morgan's comments could mean many things, and I can't make assumptions about her since I don't know her. But I was surprised how, once I noticed that her experiences sounded like mine, a sex-repulsed ace, I couldn't un-see it. Over and over when she described her feelings about things, I thought, "ha, I've felt that, I've been there."
@youretoopolitical8611
@youretoopolitical8611 Жыл бұрын
I think she might be regular sexual, and might be turned off by his abuse.
@powderandpaint14
@powderandpaint14 Жыл бұрын
I agree, but I think whatever the reason it's such a shame that she is feeling forced to do things with him that she obviously doesn't want to.
@lilsleepy1553
@lilsleepy1553 Жыл бұрын
Totally not disagreeing with your take here! I do wonder if the shame around purity culture and lust is also contributing to her feelings toward sex. Like you’re told you’re disgusting and filthy for having those urges your whole life then you’re just supposed to switch on your wedding night?
@ginao6810
@ginao6810 Жыл бұрын
An interesting perspective. I am sure (like many things) Morgan has never been told that not having sex is an option. I’m sure asexuality has never crossed her mind. What I see is someone who’s every sexual move has been met with shame. She was shamed for the sex she had before Paul and shamed for the sex she had with Paul. A part of me wonders if all of the suggestions in this thread are true? That she is asexual, that Paul is abusive, that she’s been shamed her whole life; all of these are so tangled up together she can’t begin to unravel them. I feel terrible for her.
@spoopyhaunt9783
@spoopyhaunt9783 11 ай бұрын
As a demisexual it could also just be Paul. When I was with my ex I started out with a libido and as soon as I found out that he wasn't good in bed, was a gaslighter about it, and refused to learn better I lost Interest in anything to do with sex. Then was shamed for not wanting it among other things. After I left and was done being sad my libido returned on and off. Unfortunately Morgon won't be able to truly think about these things while she's under Paul's thumb so it's hard to know how she feels because she probably doesn't know herself.
@Maddie-qu3kp
@Maddie-qu3kp Жыл бұрын
The bit at 21:09 where Morgan says she has gotten very good at identifying Paul's body language and "reading his mind", despite failing to understand *how* his mind works, is a bit alarming to me. It sounds as though she, like many women in restrictive relationships, has learned to manage Paul and be alert for his moods. I could be wrong. But there's nothing here from Paul to say that he has grown aware of Morgan's mind and body language, and responds to it to keep things peaceful in a reciprocal way. It's all Morgan paying attention to and trying to understand Paul.
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 Жыл бұрын
I think you might be right, one recent example that makes me think that is how in their sex video he said how deeply emotional and upset it makes him when Morgan doesn't want to have sex after they just had an argument and Morgan said that she does know that, and he acted all shocked and hurt at this revelation, and was essentially like "you knew all that and still rejected my advances? That's not very kind and godly, it is important to be more midful of your spouses feelings", which just made me so uncomfortable.
@Maddie-qu3kp
@Maddie-qu3kp Жыл бұрын
@@morgianasartre6709 oh my god!?
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
22:20 So basically, Paul’s saying a “good” women is meant to be seen and look pretty, but shouldn’t speak up for herself. And if she does ever open her mouth, she better have triple-guessed herself first. Yeah, no gaslighting going here. Nope. Just a perfectly healthy relationship.
@PokemonRules333
@PokemonRules333 Жыл бұрын
Yeah not like there are huge red flags spouting everywhere
@moonlighthowling666
@moonlighthowling666 Жыл бұрын
People always talk about saving sex for marriage or choosing not to wait for marriage, but no one ever talks about the one who had that choice made for them. Being able to wait until marriage is a privilege
@renooples
@renooples Жыл бұрын
I was raised in a fundamentalist church and remember thinking into my teen years that it would be better to be murdered than raped, that’s how much the church convinced me that not “saving myself for marriage” would completely ruin me. Thankfully I got out of that situation at 16.
@spOOkytimes
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Also the dichotomy of sex or no sex until marriage. Some people have no desire to get married, some people are asexual, some people don't like penetration, etc. There are multiple types of sex. Catholic people would do other sex because they thought it was only vaginal sex that was sinful. It completely puts the idea of preferences aside even after you are married. It broke my heart when Paul broke out the "whipped cream" (people are speculating it was a euphemism) and Morgan cried. She could be asexual or have a low sex drive and Paul would never know or care.
@midnightnyx261
@midnightnyx261 Жыл бұрын
It honestly disgusts me how a lot of Christians believe that r@pe makes you "impure" or "not a virgin". It's so vile. I, personally, don't remotely believe that r@pe can make you impure or take away your virginity. My belief is that if we're going to keep the concept of virginity around then it can only be freely given and never taken from you. And anyone who thinks otherwise, can be rocketed into the sun. There's no place in this world for victim shamers, imo.
@youretoopolitical8611
@youretoopolitical8611 Жыл бұрын
@@spOOkytimes I think the thing that triggered Morgan was WHY he brought out the whipped cream- he was objectifying her.
@hashtagmate
@hashtagmate Жыл бұрын
Rape is not the same thing as having sex, if you were raped that doesn't mean you have had "your first time" you literally never had sex you only had rape
@midnightnyx261
@midnightnyx261 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, as much as I dislike Morgan as a person, I am genuinely concerned for her. Paul is nothing but red flags sewn into the shape of a person and has serious signs of being an abuser. Like who fucking says that he's emotionally hurt her and is glad she can't go anywhere? Shouldn't his first thought be "oh I messed up. I need to take accountability and work on being better going forward"? And Morgan has some serious signs of battered woman syndrome. I really hope she can escape from this relationship and heal from it as well as any shame she might feel for ending it.
@LeahDyson-kq4bd
@LeahDyson-kq4bd 3 ай бұрын
More red flags than a communist China parade lol
@peacechickification
@peacechickification Жыл бұрын
As a survivor of abuse- I think it’s incredibly important for people with a bias against abuse to be speaking up, not staying quiet. We’re the people that can see the whole spectrum before behaviours become physically dangerous. This concept of ‘you have personal experience with it so you shouldn’t speak about it because of your personal experience’ is so backwards. So thank you for speaking up and using your experience to help warn/protect other people from similar situations ❤
@advisorywarning
@advisorywarning Жыл бұрын
Same- and I 1000000000% agree with you!
@blue7284
@blue7284 Жыл бұрын
Yes, perfect way to spend an hour. Thank you Rachel, I love to hear your thoughts.
@RachelOates
@RachelOates Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! :)
@thornor85
@thornor85 Жыл бұрын
I am asexual but before I understood that I decided I wanted to have sex. I talked openly about it with a potential partner, told him I didn’t want to marry and wasn’t interested in saving myself. I was just curious about a physical experience. I don’t regret it, I had some nice experiences. Now I haven’t had it in over ten years and also realized I am aromantic, but I am glad I had that experience with someone understanding and glad I didn’t adhere to religious dating expectations.
@xelith6157
@xelith6157 Жыл бұрын
It's great that you could experience it safely and in a healthy way, always glad to see that.
@uncannedspaghetti
@uncannedspaghetti Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the idea of being differently organized 😂 I have ADHD and if I can’t see something, it might as well not exist. It’s led to some very particular organizational tendencies, and I’m definitely using that phrase from now on.
@CollinGerberding
@CollinGerberding Жыл бұрын
I have a wall hanger for pots and pans but my kitchen is so tiny that it just doesn't even fit in there... so I put it on the wall in the room across the hallway. Almost as soon as I finished putting it up, I had the thought: It is kind of dumb we force ourselves to keep things in specific rooms, even when it doesn't work, idn't? differerntly organized works for me, too.
@juno3281
@juno3281 Жыл бұрын
i used to get in trouble for not eating cause if something was hidden in the fridge i would completely forget about it. she ended up getting a little fridge with a clear door for my stuff so i wouldn’t starve when i was home alone 💀
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 Жыл бұрын
Once I found out ADHD peeps have issues with object permanency, a lot of pieces started coming together for me 😂😂
@thisurldoesnotexist
@thisurldoesnotexist Жыл бұрын
Thank you for standing up for us ace people
@vakarebaranauskaite6691
@vakarebaranauskaite6691 Жыл бұрын
Ace people are awesome
@Grace_ingrid
@Grace_ingrid Жыл бұрын
I’m married no kids, been with my husband for 8 years. I think it’s fine for these folks to target their advice to folks who want to be exactly like them but when they dictate to everyone that love, partnership and commitment should only look one way that is not okay.
@Sigmarr
@Sigmarr Жыл бұрын
just a question if youre alright sharing your experience; how long did you date before marrying?
@Aerials135
@Aerials135 Жыл бұрын
yeah, it's such a toxic mindset to say that anyone who doesn't want kids shouldn't even date. it doesn't even logically follow at all
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
@@Aerials135 I got that cr@p too. Deep down I didn't want chidren but pretended I wanted them just to have a romantic relationship. It put a straing on it. See above.
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
Even in the secular world there are dictates around dating and sex albeit different dictates to what is touted in purity culture. They were exposed on the SelfLoveU channel. There are also dictates around co-dependency as if you can't be emotionally dependent on another. Purity culture pushes co-dependency though.
@SunBloomSketch0831
@SunBloomSketch0831 Жыл бұрын
My husband and I have been together for 5 years total, married for one, and lately, we've been getting sooo many comments from strangers pressuring us to have kids. We don't want any, and it's infuriating how many old men (the vast majority of people pressuring us) tell me that we need to have kids, or that I'll "eventually convince my husband to have them." I'M THE ONE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE PREGNANT. It's insane.
@mangenkyokakashi
@mangenkyokakashi Жыл бұрын
My heart jumps for joy everytime ur doggo comes in with her little snorty grumbles no matter how sad or weird the content ur analyzing is. It's always a good little break to see her.
@mangomothman7768
@mangomothman7768 Жыл бұрын
I feel it's more selfish of someone to have a child just because they want one than someone who realizes they are not qualified or able to be a parent. I am someone that recognizes that I am not fit to be a parent for many reasons and that it could quite possibly kill me to be pregnant. This is something I've had long conversations about with my partner and we have decided that children just arent for us so we're going to be a crazy cat couple! We have each other, our cats, and thats just purrfect for us. I have never understood people demanding those with a uterus to have children, "the gift of life" no longer feels like a gift but more of a curse. Our choice should not be questioned, we shouldnt feel pressured, those with fertility issues shouldn't be made to feel worthless for being unable to have children. Our value shouldn't be entirely based on whether or not we can reproduce, we are more than our uterus, we are simply beautiful people who deserve to have our choices respected as much as the next person.
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Only have a child if you really want one and are prepared for what it takes. If you have the slightest doubt you would make a good parent then get a cat or dog first. I wish more prospective parents would do that first. If people, gay or straight, fall in love then it shouldn't necessary involve having children together. They can get married, cohabit or just date each other without having children. It would be better for the planet if fewer people in the west had children and for those who have children just to stop after one or two. Nina Paley has written some good articles about this. There are also other childfree blogs. Doug Stanhope the stand up comedian has made some good jokes about this.
@KireiC
@KireiC Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I feel like there are any number of people who had kids because it was what they were supposed to do, not because they were really enthused about the process of childrearing. Although, there certainly has been a bit of a cultural shift in how people are expected to parent - think helicopter parents, "tiger moms," etc. - that puts more expectations upon them, well beyond meeting basic physical and emotional needs. Which might be kind of good? Not that I think one needs to intensely schedule your children, but I *do* think that people should reflect on the high emotional, physical, & financial (and so on) toll children can take before deciding to have them (or not).
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
@@KireiC So many have children because they have met somebody they want to be with forever whether married or co-habiting and then are pushed into marriage and to have their first child within two years of the wedding. That was going on in my family. It's sick. You don't have to have children to give your parents grandchildren and your grandparents great grandchildren but that's why so many people do breed. I had one surviving grandparent by the time my maternal first cousin got married. I don't think her father (my uncle by marriage) still had parents alive. It's not like we are wild species or living in a very poor country where life expectancy is low and few offspring live to maturity. If a sibling, first cousin or even second cousin has children the family line will still continue.
@KireiC
@KireiC Жыл бұрын
@@lemsip207 I was lucky that my family was extremely chill about kids. The person who asked me the most about when I was going to have a baby - and quite shortly after my wedding - was my HR manager at work! And no, it wasn't due to benefits; it was just that she was either weirdly nosey or she had few other small talk topics to bring up with me. Lady, I've been married like a month! Meanwhile lots of other people I worked with told me we should wait and enjoy just being newlyweds together. Much better advice than "Quick! Reproduce now!!"
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
@@KireiC I really think you should be married for at least two years before you try for a baby and only then if you really want to. So many now get married and a year later have their first child. You need to see if the marriage is going to work out for you first. A neighbour on Facebook asked if she should have children as she was married and near perimenopause and everyone was replying with "Go for it" but I replied with "Only try for a baby if you really want one".
@kayhaven4710
@kayhaven4710 Жыл бұрын
Girl it’s scary to me how we both dated a man named Daniel who turned about to be abusive alcoholic POS. I’m proud of you for leaving him and kicking butt!!! You’ve built an amazing life for yourself! And I’m happy that your new partner is treating you right! 💖
@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139
@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 Жыл бұрын
I think her abusive ex was Jonny (Johnny?), not Dan but either way, happy for both of you to get out!
@RachelOates
@RachelOates Жыл бұрын
Dan was lovely, it just didn’t work out. Jonnie Yates was the abuser of me and a number of other women.
@hyunjinsanity
@hyunjinsanity Жыл бұрын
@@RachelOates absolutely love that you include his whole name
@dutchik5107
@dutchik5107 Жыл бұрын
​@@hyunjinsanity abusers don't deserve privacy
@juliaforgot1690
@juliaforgot1690 Жыл бұрын
The fact that she feels the need to "keep her mouth shut" when he takes the longer route is sad as hell. Its like she expects consequences for questioning him... I could write the shortest relationship book ever; have mutual maturity, respect, understanding, and most imporantly love for eachother.
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 7 ай бұрын
Great book. 10/10
@keelycommando2192
@keelycommando2192 Жыл бұрын
41:10 I almost laughed at the example of a hypersexual and asexual in a relationship. Now don't get me wrong it's just that this is exactly the type of relationship I'm in and I felt a little called out. However, we made it work. Not in a way Paul and Morgan would appreciate though (we are in a polyamorous relationship). Great video! Thank you again for this amazing and educational content! You give me hope!
@pixxiekity
@pixxiekity Жыл бұрын
I'm in a very similar situation too, and for us poly is awesome 👍
@BritaMooreKutz
@BritaMooreKutz Жыл бұрын
Same here, though monogamous. We find lots of creative ways to experience intimacy that satisfy both of us! And agreed!
@lindseyscammell9347
@lindseyscammell9347 Жыл бұрын
Rachel's closing words should be the actual title of the book... 'A low effort and dull guide to having a mediocre, at best, marriage with someone you can barely tolerate' I'm sure that page turner would fly off the shelves 😂😂
@IzzysTravelDiaries
@IzzysTravelDiaries Жыл бұрын
I'm pregnant and recently broke up with the father. His attitude to the future, finances and all that were just way too immature. He's 38. He wanted a kid, just not the actual responsibility of providing for one. He even said that we can be poor and bring up a kid. Sure, we can. I just don't want to.
@xelith6157
@xelith6157 Жыл бұрын
Proud of you for making that difficult decision.
@IzzysTravelDiaries
@IzzysTravelDiaries Жыл бұрын
@@xelith6157 Thanks! It wasn't easy, but I considered several things. Also what example my son would see at home. I want him to be motivated and a go-getter like his mum. I'm getting my 3rd degree at 40! I don't want him to be a layabout.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 Жыл бұрын
​@@IzzysTravelDiaries 3 degrees, that's amazing!! I'm glad you did what's best for you and I hope you and your kid are healthy and doing ok 💜
@wastedMB
@wastedMB Жыл бұрын
I can’t ever get on board with people telling others to live a life that fits into a tiny box. I am currently dating someone and I never want to be a mom. I can’t imagine not dating just because I don’t want to have a child. That’s ridiculous.
@nothing-jl2dz
@nothing-jl2dz Жыл бұрын
yeah, sex and other intimacy and partnership etc. is important for many people and can also be healthy and stress-relieving unless it's an addiction or destructive in other ways
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 7 ай бұрын
Yeah according to Paul you have no right to find love unless you plan on being heterosexual and having kids. I wonder if he would allow infertile people an exception??
@ameliaklahn1592
@ameliaklahn1592 Жыл бұрын
I'm always so happy when you consider asexuals in your criticisms of these kinds of books. It means a lot to me and I'm sure it means a lot to your other asexual fans
@IT_217
@IT_217 Жыл бұрын
Not really the most important thing to take from this, but Morgan should absolutely speak up if Paul isn't paying attention while driving!
@youretoopolitical8611
@youretoopolitical8611 Жыл бұрын
He probably punishes her
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
Didn’t you know car safety is worldly and not of the gospel?
@franknfurterfan666
@franknfurterfan666 Жыл бұрын
Its so sad to see the effects of abuse on you around the 30 minute mark when you shared that story of your ex. Its so clear to see the long lasting damage it did. I really hope that the therapy you're getting is helping to put all that behind you. Great video as always, these long form reviews are always interesting.
@FionaClaptrap
@FionaClaptrap Жыл бұрын
I love your commentary! Paul and Morgan are so careless about what they put out there. They seem deeply unhappy with each other and watching them interact is painful. I don't know why they would want anyone to live a relationship like theirs. But regardless, you pointed out a lot of important stuff and it was a joy listening to you as always
@annabeinglazy5580
@annabeinglazy5580 Жыл бұрын
I have a deeply ingrained dislike for the Term "quality Guy/Girl" Im looking for a partner, not a piece of furniture for my living room.
@uncannedspaghetti
@uncannedspaghetti Жыл бұрын
See also: high value man or woman 🙄
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
“Hot Swedish gf from IKEA” is not a thought I should have ever had in my lifetime
@LeahDyson-kq4bd
@LeahDyson-kq4bd 3 ай бұрын
I'm looking for a guy who likes Pina colada and doing stuff at midnight
@madanotap6492
@madanotap6492 Жыл бұрын
This is not particularly related to the video but I just have to say. Kyra is so incredibly wonderful. I mean, dogs in general are incredibly wonderful but Kyra especially is just. Wow.
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
I would rather have a dog than a child even though I'm a cat person.
@madanotap6492
@madanotap6492 Жыл бұрын
@@lemsip207 that is extremely understandable
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
@@madanotap6492 Thank you. Although I own a bird at the moment because of my living situation. I need to be living in a house or a ground floor apartment to be able to keep a cat.
@elizabethheyn5365
@elizabethheyn5365 Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely teachings like this book that has made believe i shouldn’t or am not worthy enough to enter the dating pool (im working on it). Especially the bit where dating is only for marriage and why should you date of you can’t see yourself married in a year? Like, I get they’re trying to protect people from playing with other people’s feelings, but it also kinda sucks. When I was thirteen I was told I shouldn’t have a crush on someone I don’t see myself marrying (this was in response to teenagers having celebrity crushes) 😵‍💫
@shael3794
@shael3794 Жыл бұрын
Alternate perspective on Paul and Morgan saying "I love you": Maybe he genuinely didn't feel ready to say it yet. Which is fine. You can be at different stages and still be in a relationship, as long as you ultimately end up in the same place. Your happiness shouldn't depend on whether or not your partner says "I love you" immediately after you do. I kind of wonder if he felt pressured to say it in order to comfort her, since she says that she reacted very poorly to not hearing it back. It seems to point to a lack of maturity and perspective that feels very common in people like Paul and Morgan.
@emmanarotzky6565
@emmanarotzky6565 Жыл бұрын
Paul: if you don’t want kids why are you getting married? Normal people: um, we are getting married to adults…
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC Жыл бұрын
At this point I think Paul and Morgan have got a good enough amount of fans that they can just sell anything successfully. They don't need to put in anymore work than necessary to get stuff done.
@cmhsky
@cmhsky Жыл бұрын
These are the same two where they've been married for years yet the wife has to use an app during play time cause she can't communicate what she wants to her husband, and he is too into himself to notice she's not enjoying it right? Cause... Their entire relationship is just super sad. 0/10 not something to emulate
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC Жыл бұрын
@@cmhsky "0/10 not something to emulate": I absolutely agree, of course. Also, they are raging hipocrits: Paul is basically manipulating Morgan, because of her "ungodly" past. (She was a successful singer, who also did some dancing and acting.) She's adopted his views and is now shaming women who want a self-sufficient and independent life for themselves. And so much more...
@emilykestrel5446
@emilykestrel5446 Жыл бұрын
Married for 25 years, no kids. Never wanted them. Apparently me and my husband should just be an old maid/old bachelor instead? I don’t understand that.🤷🏻‍♀️
@enxhihoxha594
@enxhihoxha594 Жыл бұрын
I’m not super far into the video yet, but I’m really appreciating your conversation about marriage and different reasonings for dating!! Marriage is something that’s always been pushed on to me and I’ve had reserves about it (I find the idea of it uncomfortable, but I do want to pursue a relationship sometime in the future) and it’s relieving to hear someone say that’s getting married and having kids isnt the end-all-be-all. I enjoy listening to the different points of view you have, it’s really helpful and keeps me from going insane from all these heteronormative, religious, and bigoted “norms” that are constantly be published into books and other forms of media -_-
@lemsip207
@lemsip207 Жыл бұрын
In the evangelical church it's either marry and have lots of children or be completely single and never date again. That's like turning the clock back to the 19th century.
@LSSYLondon
@LSSYLondon Жыл бұрын
Honestly if you do get married it's better to never have kids and just have fun. DINK life is great. But marriage is a choice... just another lifestyle.
@blue7284
@blue7284 Жыл бұрын
44:17 Is so scary how I relate in everything about your relationship with a very close friendship I had that ended up badly. I always had to apologize, never knew if they would be in a good or bad mood, I always had to "change" after long hour of apologizing for something I didn't really did, but was very painful to hear all the arguing and yelling, and I always kept taking the blame for everything, and each new fight they would make it a bigger issue because, they felt like fighting and knew I would always apologize and cry and make it my fault doesn't matter how much they hurt me on purpose, or if I said nothing. Every good day felt like I was so special and loved, and I should cherish while I could because the bad days would come, and they would be devastating. I kept on it for two years, until I couldn't take it anymore and didn't try to reach out after our last big fight. I suffered a lot because I also thought I would not be loved by anyone else, and they really "strongly encouraged" me from staying away from all of my other friends and even relatives. I was very lost and upset for many weeks after it ended, but now I'm glad I am no longer with this person, and trying to do what is better for my mental health. And I'm glad you are no longer in that relationship, and in a better place as well. 🤍
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
Have a similar experience-friend was going through something of a tumultuous time in life, tried reaching out and give them some support. Most of the time, things were alright but occasionally she’d lash out on me and (by her own admission) purposefully misinterpret what I’d say because “not everyone would understand what you meant like I would.” Finally, after one extremely difficult conversation where she just blew up on me and told me people just pretended to like me (striking at one of my greatest insecurities) I just cut off all contact. Took her at her word that she didn’t want me bothering her about such trivial things. Didn’t block her, just dropped her on social medias, stopped messaging or calling, etc. One of the most mature and brilliant decisions I made in my early 20s.
@evi6784
@evi6784 Жыл бұрын
you described my relationship that i thankfully ended a few months ago
@Otterwaffle
@Otterwaffle Жыл бұрын
When u talked about the differences in tidiness : it's such a neurodivergent thing! If my hobbies aren't accessible, they aint happening. And it's so important to be surrounded by things that make you happy, make it easier on whatever struggles u have, or have a good sensory feel. Like there's no shame in having different approaches to tidiness ♡
@LSSYLondon
@LSSYLondon Жыл бұрын
This is so true!
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
…the fact that Paul smiled with glee talking about he says hurtful things to Morgan but it’s basically fine cause she’s stuck with him…wtf
@happyme652
@happyme652 Жыл бұрын
Rachel you have no idea what your videos have done for me as I undo the systems of thought impressed on me from religion. Hearing the same beliefs that I was indoctrinated with followed by someone negating it so strongly and even laughing at it is sooooo therapeutic. Listening to you has helped me feel confident and positive about making the decisions that I want to make for my life without feeling that I’m making mistakes and letting someone down. Hearing you say over and over that what is important to me and what works for me is okay has such an impact on killing that guilt ridden, shameful paradigm. Like I can have a friend who’s company I enjoy and that i have a sexual relationship with but i would never marry or have children with and it’s not just not bad, it’s beautiful and healthy for me to pursue what i need because i know I need it. Your videos are the reason I feel safe pursuing what feels right to me :) thank you so so much
@rachellesch8681
@rachellesch8681 Жыл бұрын
The way Kira looks at you, she loves you so much.
@merbst
@merbst Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Also, congratulations to Paul & Morgan for having a baby boy yesterday, since that was apparently the whole reason why they got together!
@peachybun
@peachybun Жыл бұрын
paul: what are you doing in a RELATIONSHIP if you don’t want KIDS?? me & my spouse who have been together for 12 years and are still child free: living life and loving every second of it; also kissing a lot 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 7 ай бұрын
That was such an offensive thing to say. I genuinely despise this guy.
@Cujo_Red
@Cujo_Red Жыл бұрын
Kyra is so lucky to have a mama like you!! The way you just flip her over and scratch her and she's just snorting and leaning on you with those big dark puppy eyes... makes my heart melt!!!
@kianabachmeier4197
@kianabachmeier4197 Жыл бұрын
I've personally really struggled with the "it's okay if you've had sex before, as long as you repent and are forgiven by God". I remember being taught this during my high school religion class when I was 15. I had my virginity taken from me when I was 12, and it sent me on such a spiral. I wanted so badly to be a "clean" woman for my future husband, but asking for forgiveness for something that wasn't my choice felt wrong. I felt like if I asked God for forgiveness for losing my virginity, I was accepting that my assault was my fault. I felt disgusting and terrified to tell my boyfriend that our first time wouldn't be my first time. I loved him so much and didn't want him to break up with me. Ultimately, I told him, he didn't care, and we're now in our 20s and engaged, but I really wish that "teaching" would stop being thrown around because it is so incredibly harmful to the many girls and women who didn't get to make that choice in the first place.
@eleanormason2647
@eleanormason2647 Жыл бұрын
There's something about fundie marriages that has always weirded me out that I couldn't put my finger on, and I think I've worked out. They treat every person as an empty vessel in their head and anyone can be paired with another person as long as they're "godly." Then they give advice about how to get through a rough first year and getting to know your partner. It's like they speedrun the start of the relationship and make the marriage into a period where you get to know your partner.
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
Bingo. Most fundies barely know their spouse at all on their wedding day as usually any dates they had during engagement and courting were chaperoned to keep them pure..when your chaperoned you can’t exactly open up and get to know one another on a deeper level
@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139
@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 Жыл бұрын
When someone's actions remind you of an abusive ex, it's not really a bias, it's red flags you've learnt to recognise. I think it's very important to comment on content like P&M's with that informed perspective. They might want to justify everything and anything by referring to their religion but that's what most major religions have done since the very beginning: justifying abuse by saying it's a god given right to commit it (mostly by men) and a god given duty to endure it (mostly by women). P&M's content is dangerous so don't ever apologise for shedding a light on it being so.
@kannakanina6552
@kannakanina6552 Жыл бұрын
@racheloates 1:14:10 Thank you for actually voicing that sometimes some people, women included, just don’t feel well. As someone with chronic illness and long covid as well as bleeding disorders that require medicine that makes me feel even more ill, it’s comforting to see someone publicly owning and normalizing just not feeling well. It would be easy for you to not include this, but it’s powerful and validating to me and, I imagine, many others. Thank you so much!♥️
@inanimatecarbongod
@inanimatecarbongod Жыл бұрын
I applauded the "bloody Mary" comparison. That was brilliant.
@jeffengel2607
@jeffengel2607 Жыл бұрын
Heh, me too. I did kinda pout wistfully and wish it could be that _easy_ when that's what you actually want though!
@chaoticblades2382
@chaoticblades2382 Жыл бұрын
Additional reasons: ~tax benefits ~built-in plus one for events ~someone to prod you into self-care/personal growth ~step parent for your pet ~cuddling
@BlizzardSiya16
@BlizzardSiya16 Жыл бұрын
Great video, and you make very good points on boundaries and compromising, unlike the authors. It's important that both parties have their boundaries respected, not just "whoever feels stronger." Also, the thing about "I just need to learn to keep my mouth shut even if I can solve a problem/help because I'm the woman and I should submit" is just a red siren. Like... If giving your partner help is something that leads to punishment or feeling like it would be better to not say anything, that's pretty bad. That's not at all a partnership. As for talking about sex: Yes! The way you talked about it was perfect. You absolutely need to be able to have adult conversations with your partner in regards to expectations. When it came up in my relationship, we had a very long talk about what we liked and what our expectations would be and where to start and what we were comfortable with. Literally one of the best things we've done. Knowing what to expect is SO important. One thing I'd like to note for you in the future: I know it's a couple of quick points, but at one point in the video, you use asexual and hypersexual as opposite ends of a spectrum, and later use asexual in reference to people who don't want sex. This reinforces an incorrect stereotype that asexual people are all celibate/hyposexual, which isn't true, as it's a sexuality rather than a description of sexual tendencies/desires (while the traits can often coincide, some aces are quite happily and frequently active). A more accurate statement would be to compare hypo-and hypersexuality, which are both linked more to thoughts/actions around sex. I know you do your best to be respectful of all groups, and it's great to even hear asexuality mentioned; I just wanted to bring this to your attention for the future as the conflation is really common but still detrimental for those of us who aren't sex-averse or celibate, and you seem like a person who prefers to be educated on these things.
@blue7284
@blue7284 Жыл бұрын
58:00 Wow...I thought I was aware Paul is a walking red flag, and despite disagreeing with both, I normally tend to see Morgan with more empathy. Still, I've never seen much of them, and the little compilation you did is all new to me. This is even more concerning than I thought, now I just believe more strongly on how I viewed them.
@a3therspace237
@a3therspace237 Жыл бұрын
I have been binging your videos and you give such good insight!
@RachelOates
@RachelOates Жыл бұрын
That's lovely to hear, thank you so much!!
@hexonyou
@hexonyou Жыл бұрын
everything about my marriage would leave them shocked and appalled lmao. Premarital sex (my partner had a literal virginity card from going to catholic school that promised 'virginity until marriage' and we, uh... we laughed really hard making that card null and void), polyamory, both of us coming out as different flavors of non-binary, them coming out as asexual, me being pansexual.... And yet I tend to think our 12 years are pretty amazing and I wish as many people were excited and enamored of their partners the way I forever am of mine. We never gave up on each other, even when either of us were not the best people we could be. We supported each other to grow into the much happier versions of ourselves that we are today.
@hexonyou
@hexonyou Жыл бұрын
them: sex is something you do with your partner for the rest of your marriage/life me, with a partner who came out as asexual after years of soul searching, casting some side eye at them: uhh.... or maybe don't make that an expectation for your partner? I mean... sure if you aren't compatible, you need to figure that out. But just because you're married does not mean you are required to have sex or entitled to sex with your partner.
@hexonyou
@hexonyou Жыл бұрын
side note: I get all the hating on Paul but I found the moment where he was talking about how he wished they had those little acts of intimacy and her completely blowing him off and just giving up on the conversation (while he looks... truly depressed/empty) was just... so fucking sad
@edvh88
@edvh88 Жыл бұрын
Rachel, I am so very sorry for what you went through. My heart breaks that you were treated that way. I’m so proud of you for getting out and speaking out about this.
@breanna5763
@breanna5763 Жыл бұрын
I think the part about following the person with the “stronger conviction” is strangely better than it sounds - I think “stronger conviction” is their Christian-speak for “stricter boundaries” and so the idea aligns with proper consent, where you don’t do anything either party is uncomfortable with. Like how Paul wanted to do less physically than Morgan while dating. This is a good idea within a religious mindset, and is how I would have framed it back when I was religious and trying to figure out how to also be feminist. However, it gets negated by the coercive way Morgan was convinced to remain in the relationship. She should have been allowed to feel ok with: 1) her physical needs being different than his, and 2) not pursuing a relationship with someone whose boundaries don’t align with her needs.
@geenahm
@geenahm Жыл бұрын
Late to this party, but I'm surprised Paul & Morgan even uploaded that footage of them you included at the end. I don't know what they where even thinking because it makes them look so disconnected from one another. It honestly made me feel sorry for them.
@lindseystein9676
@lindseystein9676 Жыл бұрын
The way they describe marriage is so sad. Marriage shouldn’t be *that* much work. They make it seem like such a chore that needs a huge amount of work constantly.
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm not that far into the video yet so maybe it is touched upon, but it was so sad in their sex video how Morgan talked about it basically being miserable for a year or two, girl, if you have to put a lot of work to just not be miserable in your marriage there were mistakes made.
@MyDancingShoes
@MyDancingShoes Жыл бұрын
I grew up in an abusive household, so I was conditioned to believe that things that made me uncomfortable were my problem to work through, because my discomfort didn't mean I was allowed to stop them. I dated a guy for 6 years and we had some compatibility issues. Whenever I heard the phrase "relationships are work" tossed around, I had no gauge for just *how* hard you're supposed to work or not. I had no idea if the problems I was having were breakup-worthy, or if they were they were just one of those things that made relationships "hard work." So I believed that since there were some things I liked about the relationship, it meant it was a good one, and therefore I had to put in the work. But I was working much, much too hard. I see a lot of the incompatibility issues I had in my relationship in their marriage, similarly unacknowledged and conditioned to believe it's just normalcy. You saying "marriage shouldn't be that much work" is honestly a big comfort to me.
@Mads_L_M
@Mads_L_M Жыл бұрын
“You’ll get the image of the persons naked body in your mind, if not forever.” I hardly remember what either of my exes look like, let alone what their dick looked like. I didn’t even notice that my second ex wasn’t circumcised, I didn’t even notice his eyes were blue until a few months in because of my face blindness, they are truly underestimating just how low my perception is, and how poor my memory is
@smexyhetalian
@smexyhetalian Жыл бұрын
I know right?? I mean, I might remember some details about a particular tattoo they had or a general shape of their body, but I definitely can't remember what most people's naked bodies look like. This is also a very puritan way of seeing it, since f.ex. in Finland we go to sauna with people close to us and definitely don't memorize each others' genitalia or naked bodies in general.
@kritkratt6383
@kritkratt6383 Жыл бұрын
I mean I remember what my ex looked like pretty well. And I remember having sex with him..but like they makes it sound like it will be burned in there and you’ll be thinking about your naked ex forever😂😂😂😂 like if I am forced to think about it I remember it happend but I don’t have any emotional attachment to those memories lol. If anything those are the least emotionally bonding memories. Now if I think about traveling and going to different countries and how we loved the same music and really understood each others brain now those are where emotionally charged memories are
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 Жыл бұрын
I also have an ex that wasn't circumcised and I didn't find out until after the relationship 😂😂 like how did I miss that??? Lol
@Mads_L_M
@Mads_L_M Жыл бұрын
@@alim.9801 the same ex with the blue eyes was uncircumcised, and I also didn’t notice 😂
@lacey892
@lacey892 Жыл бұрын
"Open and honest communication is the only hard and fast rule there is..." 100%
@godlesssnowshoe
@godlesssnowshoe Жыл бұрын
I just started the video and I'm already scared based on the comments 💀 thank you for putting up with reading this bs for us 😭 Edit; I would die for the beetle shirt.
@aspen1713
@aspen1713 Жыл бұрын
Get you someone who looks at you the way Kyra looks at Rachel 🥺The love on that dog's face
@cs7021
@cs7021 11 ай бұрын
As someone who used to be in an abusive relationship very similar to yours, I want to thank you for sharing your experience online. I remember being so young and feeling like I wouldn’t be able to be independent from him. I used to search all over the internet to find someone who I could relate to while seeing them thrive beyond the relationship. ❤ my younger self would have felt very inspired by you.
@Sarah-re7cg
@Sarah-re7cg Жыл бұрын
For me personally, if I have “can I see myself spending the rest of my life with this person?” in my head when I’m dating, it completely shuts everything down. I can’t focus on literally just getting to know the person, if I even want to date them, etc. It also puts so much pressure on the entire thing and sucks the fun out of the experience. Idk, I just think that’s such an insane question to keep in mind from the get go and doesn’t even allow for any self reflection of if marriage is even a thing you want.
@abrielle13
@abrielle13 Жыл бұрын
Your hair color looks so nice!
@kaitlin5512
@kaitlin5512 Жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of Christians like these two subconsciously punish themselves for enjoying things, because it's like built into their beliefs that they have to suffer in order to be "good", and they want everyone to do the same because they're genuinely jealous of their ability to be happy
@rannahoot22
@rannahoot22 Жыл бұрын
I think what's evident to me is that Paul and Morgan are a classic example of having alot of information about a topic but not lived experience. We all grow and change and discover more about what is true in life as we get older. I'm sure they will get to a place in 10 years where they will cringe at the things they preached were true. We all do that. There is so much peace in life once you just allow people to be naïve and live your own life unbothered. But it's harder to do that when those people have an entire PLATFORM that influences young people. They don't think they are causing harm, but they are planting an ideology that does cause harm. As someone who, myself, believes similarly to them, but differs ALOT in my approach to dating, I cringe watching their content. Especially as I am single woman in my 30s. Things I cared about in my 20s just don't apply anymore. Their content would technically be directed at me as I am a single Christian waiting for find the right person, but it's just laughable at my age. No one cares about saving their first kiss for the alter or what "guys really think" about women making the first move. It's just silly and seems like a kids show. What I really want is content on how to communicate well and have healthy relationships. But why would I go to people who aren't therapists or experts on the subject? Paul and Morgan are just two kids who went to church and want to make a script for other people on how to live in order to validate their own life experience. It's odd.
@pinkysaurusrawr
@pinkysaurusrawr Жыл бұрын
I have felt for a long time as though Paul and Morgan’s channel is a way they try to convince themselves they are happy and are doing the right thing. I agree very much that Paul’s behavior is concerning, and I don’t personally believe it’s possible to have a happy life if it is so unbalanced, with one person who feels like they are not allowed to speak their mind. I am saddened that they make content, because as they reveal all the unhappy parts of their own lives, they tell their audience that this is what you should strive for - that they have the “correct,” “biblical” life. I appreciate that you point out the gaps in their explanations of things - that they often leave out how they actually worked through their problems. Hopefully it helps other people to strive for good conflict resolution, and a genuine questioning of whether they are compatible with their partners. I enjoy your content very much, and I’d also like to say that I’m very inspired by you. To see a woman living so well - doing art, being confident and independent and thoughtful - makes me feel hopeful. Hope you are well ♥️
@tobijones5363
@tobijones5363 Жыл бұрын
I really hope they didn't have their child as a way to fix their marriage. With how they treat each other I'm terrified for that kid.
@bethanythatsme
@bethanythatsme Жыл бұрын
💜💜💜 Edit: happy Kyra snorts are my fav asmr
@tuntemon
@tuntemon Жыл бұрын
I've never understood the concept of getting married. It may be that I have another viewpoint since I'm not an christian american, and the the concept hasn't beeing drilled into me through out my life. At least here in sweden, being in a partnership and being married is almost very much the same. Only with some slight diffrences. All I want from a relationship is a partner who share interests, values, loves cats and don't want children. (got a couple of twins from a previous relationship, and I'm done with that part) I'm also a very much a creative person, with multiple different miniature projects, paint, tools and nerdy stuff everywhere. Very much a creative chaos in my appartment. So if someone I met wouldn't like that, then we wouldn't be a good match. I've not dated in quite a while and I does actually feel good just being alone with my kitty. Love these long videos from you, perfect to listen to while building and painting! I get that they must be frustrating to do. But I also think that they're important. Thank you Rachel for making them, love from sweden!
@gullyfoyle3253
@gullyfoyle3253 Жыл бұрын
I have so many questions for them that they just gloss over! The last few segments did make me feel for them. I believe they do both feel trapped. It was the first time I've seen Paul mention sex and Morgan didn't make the face like she was going to throw up, so . . . progress? P.S. Love the painting over your left shoulder in the editing tag.
@SmolTrailer
@SmolTrailer Жыл бұрын
I grew up terrified of dating because of this mentality. I was like "how will I know that I want to marry a stranger on the first date?" Because in my church the concept wasn't "don't date unless you are ready as a person to get married" but rather "don't date unless you think you will marry the person you are dating". For my sisters who have beautiful relationships with their male best friend turned boyfriend/spouse it worked out well (they no longer believe what the church preached either, so life turned out well for them) but for me, who moved a lot during my adolescent years and who's best male friend in the church was a closeted gay man, it didn't work out so well. I am twenty-nine and still want to get married and I am in a relationship of three years but he doesn't want to get married. It's hard at my age to find people who want to get married because they are generally already married by 29. I really enjoy the relationship I am in, and in a year he's moving back to live with his family and I'm not. It makes me incredibly sad, but I'm using the knowledge that he's moving in a year to slowly accept it. He's from another country and homesickness is eating him up 😅 poor guy
@stephysteph8558
@stephysteph8558 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting the way Christians talk about waiting for marriage like it's naturally going to be this huge struggle and sacrifice. If someone waits because they genuinely believe it's in the best interest of their spiritual, emotional, and physical well-being, then there wouldn't be that resentment that comes out when they hear the person they're dating didn't wait. If waiting for marriage was their sincere conviction, then they might simply feel sad that the other person didn't and perhaps endured pain because of the decision. Resentment comes from a combination of "Wait--I put myself through this hell of denying my sexuality and this other person didn't??? It's Not Fair!" or "I put myself through this hell so I'd get a virgin spouse--where's my payoff???" It's very unintentionally revealing as to how many people wait for marriage not because they genuinely believe it's the right decision, something between them and God, but because of outside pressure.
@vinegarhusbands
@vinegarhusbands Жыл бұрын
these are some of the last people I'd take dating advice from
@adiksaff
@adiksaff Жыл бұрын
This one is purely for adoration and engagement. Thanks so much Rachel!
@shelbymckinney8888
@shelbymckinney8888 Жыл бұрын
As someone who considered themselves a spiritual and religious person, I don't believe in dictating how people should handle there romantic and or sexual relationships (just along as its healthy and legal of course). Also, as someone who knew someone who had a hard time having children, the fact that these two talked shit about infertile couples is disgusting.
@justaname999
@justaname999 Жыл бұрын
The removal of shame you mention around 54:20 is extremely important! We are teaching even our toddlers to be able to refer to their parts using the normal anatomical terms without shame. It's their body and they need to understand early on that they have control over it and should anyone ever breech that, they need the ability to address that. As sinister as that sounds, there is data out there that seems to suggest this might actually help with situations where children and young people experience unwanted sexual advances. The taboo around sexual activities and parts has never helped anyone in any situation. We should always make any discussion age and situation appropriate, of course, but never avoid it like it's some sort of danger in and of itself. Many of us, especially young women, have been in situations where the compounding effect of shame made us not speak out about horrible things that have happened to us. And imbuing even the words that refer to the parts of acts of sexual nature with this weirdly charged quality just for the heck of it is *not* ok. We should make it better for coming generations instead of perpetuating all of this shame and burden.
@casscasst
@casscasst 7 ай бұрын
This is a very good vid and you're so good at this. You're also extremely brave for sharing about your abusive ex. I'm glad you're out and safe now.
@izmariie
@izmariie Жыл бұрын
this book makes me think of someone writing a math textbook, but, not getting the basic principles right. like 2+2=5, etc.
@perraterca
@perraterca Жыл бұрын
my parents have a very successful marriage, over 30 years now! my mom is a devout catholic while my dad is an atheist! it's completely possible to be happy with someone who doesn't who doesn't have your religious beliefs. plus they dated for 10 years before getting married, you don't have to be ready for marriage in the near future to date, and even to get married to that partner. they also didn't have kids until 8 years into marriage, which was a great choice for them and for me!
@bananas999
@bananas999 Жыл бұрын
51:39 I have worked in medicine since 2017 and have seen hundreds of naked/partially nude people. It's not that deep as long as you're being respectful.
@vivianseemer5274
@vivianseemer5274 9 ай бұрын
Yeah but these types of people see nudity as an inherently sexual thing. Which is so bizarre and unhealthy.
@fernlessbastard
@fernlessbastard Жыл бұрын
I saw you upload and I clicked the notification so quickly Keep making amazing videos, love your content❤️❤️❤️ Also I adore your longer content, it's always so much fun
@imjustthisgirlok
@imjustthisgirlok Жыл бұрын
I just do not understand how these two are supposed to be some kind of ideal Christian relationship. When they constantly say things like "you're gonna hurt each other and drive each other crazy" ... I mean maybe try to work that stuff out before you're married??
@ladymeow1226
@ladymeow1226 Жыл бұрын
Your "lived in" description I relate! I paint, sew, n have all shades of hair dye is a big basket. I'm not just an artist but a writer too. So books amongst fabric projects & paintings. Things are organized in their own baskets n such, so it's an artists version of organized. N My partner whines too. I've been artistic for our whole 16yrs 2gether, n will always be. At least I do MY part 2 compromise.
@aspen1713
@aspen1713 Жыл бұрын
"It's like Bloody Mary, you say 'Sex' three times and a wild penis appears" LMAO I CHOKED
@Erundilme
@Erundilme Жыл бұрын
thank you for acepositivity you always include in your videos, it means so much 🥺🥺
@katrina8396
@katrina8396 Жыл бұрын
It's so sad that they assume it's normal for married people to do hurtful, horrible, "huge crappy" things to each other :(
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