Radio Restoration for Beginners: RCA Model T62 aka #39. Part 1.... look before you leap.
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@terryblackman62173 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see someone who is starting right from the beginning. And as I am a beginner I have found part one really informative. Many thanks. Will catch up on the others. 👍😆
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
Glad its helpful, enjoy !!!!
@matts79752 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Most people talking about this stuff seem to assume the one watching has an electrical engineering degree.
@brucejenner480011 ай бұрын
I am an avid watcher of these electronics repair channels. And I'm so glad someone else has said the word bastardised! I use it infrequently, only when I see someone else's work to "fix" our equipment here in the quarry.
@williamogilvie69099 ай бұрын
When I was a kid my neighbors would give me old radios like that one. I am pretty sure I had that exact radio at one point. Most worked ok, but people were buying stereo consoles with turntables for records and with FM reception in those days.
@rentacowisgoogle3 жыл бұрын
"Don't be afraid to move stuff around" Thanks, that's what i needed to hear. I'm gonna dive into a 1947 Olympic shortwave set. It looks like it should just need some paper caps replaced, plus any bad resistors. I was feeling overwhelmed but this video helped! You better believe i put warning tape over the plug: "do not plug in!"
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
Good Luck on your set !!!!!!
@OddJobFix Жыл бұрын
I'm watching this for the 2nd time. I've already watched some of the series 2wice but I'm going to go from begonning to end again. Ron, you are a natural teacher. Thank you.
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
I am glad you are enjoying it.. We are all learning as we go along :) Glad to help
@kevindobson21216 ай бұрын
You mentioned in the beginning about never turning on a radio without the speaker attached. I must have missed the answer to that.
@vernonraines30022 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I've seen to date. Calm and collected with great technique. Thanks
@bofor3948 Жыл бұрын
Good warning at the start. My instructor many years ago always said " Keep one hand in your pocket and play with your change. Or something along those lines"😉
@steelcity321pb62 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron, Love those mid to late1930s RCA radios. I’m quite sure you will agree, the majority of American radios not only look far better than British Vintage Radios; they generally incorporate less complex circuitry, and are usually easier to work on - that is the chief reason I love American Vintage Radios as much as I do. Cheers my friend, Phil.
@agostinodibella99392 жыл бұрын
That’s a real nice looking radio!
@michaelmurray34226 ай бұрын
The 6F6 tube, the filiments are on 2 and 7. The line at the botom of the picture in the chart shows the hey, and if you count clockwise, you will see it is 2 and 7, and besides it is also printed on the drawing that it is 2 and 7. If you had a tube substitution chart , you can usually find a tube that is in your tube tester, and use those settings.
@ShowmeMOrocks2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I have learned a lot from this.
@swagmanexplores74722 жыл бұрын
Very very interesting and informative !
@Thatguy-kg3tz5 ай бұрын
I feel like I should not have jumped into the deep end with a Philco 610 that has not been touched since 1945, but you live and learn. The worst part is I did multimeter tests on all of the tubes, and they all worked so something with the internals is wrong.
@skycarl4 жыл бұрын
All right Ron,,, looks like #39 is off to a good start. Great info for all to take in.
@rciancia4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Carl, I really appreciate it !
@stevee444416 күн бұрын
You CAN turn on any valve amp without a speaker attached IF the volume knob is turned down or the audio output section is disconnected from the rest of the circuit (when testing for example) e.g. when no output tubes are inserted, as the problem is having current flowing through the output tubes and so the primary winding of the audio output transformer without a speaker load attached to the audio secondary winding, as there is nowhere for the output signal energy to go. This energy gets reflected back into the output tubes, so can damage them. But, if there is no amplification in the output stage tubes (i.e. when the volume is down), so no signal or current flows through to the output tubes or the output transformer's primary winding. Also, it is always best practice to turn the volume down on ANY amp before turning it on to stop pop surges through the output stage and speakers, potentially blowing something with any power-up surges.
@stevehead3653 жыл бұрын
The 5Z4 is fine as a replacement for the 5Y3. Only thing to check is Pin8, the cathode should to go to B+. To test the 6F6, the settings for a 6V6 should work ok, the 6V6 has a slightly higher gm than the earlier 6F6, otherwise pretty similar. I guess this comment is now somewhat out of date Thanks for the video. Steve.
@srtamplification9 ай бұрын
Great video!! You should test for shorts before you apply the test. You should go through all of the numbers not just the filament (the "7" you showed in the video). The light came on for that setting, because you had a good filament, but you already knew that, because you ran the test first. Running through all of the numbers will test for shorts between grid and cathode, plate, screens etc. You shouldn't have lights on any of those. The chart you were using tells you the only number you should have a light on (in the case of the one you showed 7 give a light, because it is across the filament, it should have continuity there.)
@Pyridox4 жыл бұрын
thanks, good video. some good information.
@rciancia4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pete, I appreciate you watching and commenting. stay tuned, more to come
@aa1ww3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video with a lot of clearly enumerated helpful restoration facts. Thanks for sharing.
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jeff- I am glad you are finding it helpful.. please always remember to stay safe in this hobby... Electricity is like a caged animal - always trying to get out... do not give it a path to escape.
@aa1ww3 жыл бұрын
@@rciancia Excellent advice! I've worked on AF amps with 2x6550 push-pull and RF with 2x6146; one hand firmly in the back pocket and NEVER work late at night or alone.
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
@@aa1ww excellent my friend, excellent !!!!
@makyhsmakyhs67662 жыл бұрын
hi Ron : Great work , You are really talented , I envy you guy because i am an audiophil but I don't possess such talent. I would like to say something that many people can repair and refurbishe and varnish the old devices, but very very little technicians who can clean it before and after repair of these devices and turn it to zero - like the China plates after being washed - to be worked again as a brand new product , I will be happy to know your opinion , thanks.
@Broken_robot1986Күн бұрын
What 😂
@makyhsmakyhs6766Күн бұрын
@@Broken_robot1986 I wrote this comment a few years ago because there is a lot of cheating in that maket of vintage radios. how did you find my comment!
@Rebel96684 жыл бұрын
I understand about wanting one with an eye tube. I got my 1940 rca k80 for the same reason, lol.
@rciancia4 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly it Gary.... its all about the Green Eye !!!! :)
@michaelmacdonald34083 жыл бұрын
The 5z4 heaters are pin number 2 and 8. 8 is also cathode.
@lanceolshovsky2093 Жыл бұрын
I'm just now learning about tube radios so this is SUPER helpful. If you have any contacts in the Houston, TX area, I sure would be happy to know... I've got a radio I'd like restored... or, can I ship this to you? Thank you!
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
Lance, thank you . I would be happy to help you with your radio.. I live in Jacksonville Fla, so you would have to cover shipping in both directions. Send me an email with details.. rcianciaruso@comcast.net
@Dogface19842 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I have a motorola radio I want to restore and try to duplicate somehow . the date around the tubes say 1941
@jazbell73 ай бұрын
I was 2 in 1939. 1939 was the real start of WWII on September 1 when Germany invaded Poland.
@MrBrendog67rat4 ай бұрын
Good Morning, whrer did you get your tube tester? did you have to do some work to it? Thanks Brendan
@osirisgarcia7686 Жыл бұрын
Ron, thanks a million for taking the time to get down to our beginner's level and explain all the info in such a great way. I have a question for you, I am about to dig into my first radio restoration project for a 1949 Dodge car, and I would like to know if all the basic components for those antique console radios are similar than those in classic cars.. Obviously voltage is completely different, but other than that, the basic principles of restoration, parts etc would be similar?
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
Osiris - for an auto tube radio, you need to know a few things.. your radio likely has a vibrator tube in it which is used to generate the high current. .these vibrators are always bad.. the contacts get pitted and its over. There are electrical equivalents of the vibrator tube available, just google it. Also you need to know if the radio is a +12 or -12 system... this will he important when you connect it a power supply to test. aside for that... car radios are small and harder to work on.. What model is yours ?
@osirisgarcia7686 Жыл бұрын
@@rciancia Hi Ron! Many thanks for taking the time to reply my message brother. My radio is a Philco model C4608 Mopar Model 802. I have restored many things in my life but this is my first encounter with one of these old radios. I will dig into your videos to see if some info shared around there might be of help along my resto. I hope you don't mind if I keep asking you for advice down the way of my resto.
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
@@osirisgarcia7686 its a fairly simple radio.... tight space to work in ... the vibrator will be your challenge... here is the schematic if you need one . www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/959/M0013959.pdf
@osirisgarcia7686 Жыл бұрын
@@rciancia thanks Ron, let's see what I can do for it.
@larrypozzi22013 жыл бұрын
Good video Ron thanks- Do you support repairs to vintage radios like in the video? I have an RCA that was my Grandfathers that I would like to get operational.
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
Larry, I would be happy to help you with your RCA. Please send me an email and we'll figure it out.. roncianciaruso8@gmail.com
@makyhsmakyhs67663 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ron You know that the the commercial electronic websites such as amazon and eBay are full of floods of adv.s about the vintage audio sets without telling the truth for its, customers that the spare parts of those sets are finished. no more production since decades. so what to do then. before buying these dead devices 🤔
@TheAnubis573 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron, Great video. I liked to get into vintage electronics but it was always kind of an expensive hobby. Any suggestions as to how to approach it with a beginner in mind? Thanks.
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@jameshochstetler60932 жыл бұрын
I'm restoring an old Sparton Tube radio circa 1946 and ran across something on the schematic that I have never seen before. The last resistor listed says R18 2700 ohms 5. w. w. w.. All the other resistors show the ohm value and watt value as an example R4 100 ohms .5w etc. My question is what does it mean when there are 3 "w" s like that? I went ahead and replaced the R18 with a 2700 ohm 5 watt resistor. The radio works and I have the proper voltages but the resistor is getting extremely hot. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
James , what is the model # of the radio.. Will look at the schematic and let you know. My first guess is that it means 5W, WIreWound...
@jameshochstetler60932 жыл бұрын
@@rciancia It is a Sparton 6-26 I bet you are absolutely right on it meaning wire wound, wire wound probably dissipates more heat. but would still love for you to look at the schematic
@lesdonaldson9792 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron. My 8 year old son is really into learning about electronics, and lately especially has an interest in vintage radios. Can you tell me what to look for if we were to purchase a tube tester? Like what measurement parameters to look for, brand, etc, what not to buy, etc.? Is there a way to message you directly by chance? Thanks!
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
Les - my email is roncianciaruso8@gmail.com happy to help
@amberwawa71852 жыл бұрын
What is the fancy tool you are using at around 10 min mark to test the tubes???
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
It is a Knight 600b tube tester
@loricastro3772 Жыл бұрын
Cool video! My language is Portuguese so, sorry for my doubt, but around 26:54 you said "dog bone"... what do you mean by that?
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
Hi Lori... older resistors were called DOG BONES... they were long tubular colored components. Thanks for watching !!!!!
@loricastro3772 Жыл бұрын
@@rciancia Thanks!
@derrickdochterman21844 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the videos.Do you have any other information on the Signal Tracer tried the email no response.
@rciancia4 жыл бұрын
Derrick - sorry , not following your question .. What signal tracer ?? How can I help ??
@MrGigi-dz9cv4 ай бұрын
Transformers can be repaired.
@liveen Жыл бұрын
Wait, if a transformer has leaked? I have a super super old radionette radio I bought at a second hand shop, and I was hoping to get the components from it (not really interested in radio, nor in the memorabilia value of it), but I was really caught off guard by the components on the top side. So I was really wondering what all the glass things etc were, and I was worried they might have some toxic chemicals or similar, so I decided to look up a video of someone restoring a similar radio in hopes of learning more about the components, but now I'm just MORE confused. Any chance for a more detailed explanation of what each specific thing on the top-side is? Or somewhere I can look to learn about them in general?
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
LiVeen, the glass object are vacuum tubes and are not dangerous. They are the same as transistors today, really nothing dangerous about them. The glass tubes have no air in them, just like a lightbulb. . The other items on top are 1) The transformer.. it converts 120/220V AC to the proper voltages needed to run the set.2) the IF Cans... these are usually square... they allow you to tune in the stations correctly 3) The tuning capacitor.. it looks like fins that mesh when you turn the knob.. this is how you tune in stations... 4) Coils... looks like a round cylinder with wire wrapped around it.. these let us tune things to the right frequency. hope this helps.
@kevindobson21216 ай бұрын
What does happen if you power up a radio without the speaker attached?
@rciancia6 ай бұрын
Kevin- feel free to give me a call and I can explain . 6469428889
@jakelencher8172 жыл бұрын
So I would assume it can't work without all the tubes, I found an old tube radio and it is missing 2 tubes and I'm not sure which order to put them in or which tubes to buy.
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
Jake, all tubes are required. If you can reply with the make and model number of the radio, I can tell you what tubes to buy and where they go
@jakelencher8172 жыл бұрын
@@rciancia I believe it is a philco model 77, I found that by the faded remains of a label.
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
@@jakelencher817 here is the schematic... www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/838/M0013838.pdf it has 7 tubes.... 45 x2 27 , 24 x3 80 - does this look right ?
@jakelencher8172 жыл бұрын
@@rciancia yea its the right one, i have 3 tubes that say 24a, 1 that says 80 and one that is 45, 3 different brands.
@rciancia2 жыл бұрын
@@jakelencher817 so you need a 45 output tube.. and a 27.... that link I sent you shows the location they all go in a small diagram top right.
@garyjohnson4608 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest you find a tube substitution manual.
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
I have a tube substitution manual - thanks
@edmckinney8457 Жыл бұрын
I have a RCA with a missing model number I'd like to restore. Chassis number is 12874. Unable to locate schematics so far. Any idea's??
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
If you can provide the Tube Line Up I should be able to help .
@WallysPlace664 жыл бұрын
Hey Ron, you know I'm not an electronics guy. Other than the transformer, is there anything else that is dangerous?
@rciancia4 жыл бұрын
Ron, in point to point wiring any connection can be dangerous. We’ll cover this in part 2
@WallysPlace664 жыл бұрын
@@rciancia Thanks buddy
@JohnnyUmphress4 жыл бұрын
Capacitors can hold several hundred volts for quite some time even with the radio unplugged.
@WallysPlace664 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyUmphress My neighbor is the maintenance manager at a local factory. He said they charge capacitors and zap an unexpected co-worker just for fun. I'm glad I don't work with him LOL.
@JohnnyUmphress4 жыл бұрын
My first job in high school was at a TV repair shop. They did the same thing. They would charge up capacitors and put them back in the shelf and send me to get one for a set they were working on. It only took me one time to know not to grab them by the wires. That was in the late 60's.
@JohnnyUmphress4 жыл бұрын
The most discouraging thing I often hear when I am looking at a radio with the seller. And they say, "Oh, I plugged it in and it doesn't play". I get so mad but I can't fault them because most people have no knowledge about antique radios. And they will never tell you that it popped and smoked when they turned it on.
@Rebel96684 жыл бұрын
I understand. The last one I bought the antique dealer had it playing in the store and it did work. I asked him if it had been restored electronically and he said, nope, all original. It's apart now out in my garage and he was right, all original.
@tubeDude48 Жыл бұрын
Get an *RCA Tube Substitution Book.*
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
I have one... tx
@makyhsmakyhs67663 жыл бұрын
Please adjust the camera straight to your face, it more clear and logic !
@choppergirl Жыл бұрын
nightmare i think most people ran into a brick wall because they don't have a tube tester i'm blind. i have no tube tester. can't go further.
@rciancia Жыл бұрын
Truthfully, you do not need a tube tester. You can use a multimeter to test the filament and check for open across the 2 pins. Tubes rarely go bad unless they get air in them. You will see that by the appearance of WHITE inside a tube.
@choppergirl Жыл бұрын
@@rciancia With the advice of a HAM that owned a bit AM station transmitter in Canada, I replaced the electrolytic caps in an AA5 GE430 years ago.. that I got free by asking on Craigslist if anyone had a vacuum tube radio I could have. Since then I've gone blind, and recently I got another free AA6 GE202 with just hte dial light and elements heating up but no sound. I can solder now like a boss with a TS100 and soem kester solder and supplies, *But* can't see worth a flippin whatever even under my microsocpe so it will have to wait. I soldered up the HackMakeMod KZfaq subscriber clock as a test.. and got it done but it only had 10 joints to do and the flux was so reflective under the microscope light I bridged two connections... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q86fqMWXzM_deKc.html
@michaelmacdonald34083 жыл бұрын
6F6 heaters are 2 and 7 not 1 and 4.
@rciancia3 жыл бұрын
Michael - you are correct.. I did not realize the mistake until now.. thank you ... not sure what I was thinking
@daninnj85802 жыл бұрын
I was gonna zip you a bit for NOT TURNING OFF the tube tester between tubes, but I started Part 2 where you admit to that right off. I really have to say though the end of this video is HUGELY ironic: you tell us to be careful, and then misspell careful. Caereful?? Unreal. In P2 you first spell "schematic" correctly in your graphic but whiff on the second try. I bet you aced electronics but failed spelling ;-) I DO love how you start Part 2 with "lets recap" - knowing that's what you will be doing! Also want to thank you for the info about Frank's tube list; while other sites have the same info Frank has it really well organized! Well done.
@c.brionkidder92322 жыл бұрын
joolery
@finnparker18963 жыл бұрын
Sus
@tubeDude48 Жыл бұрын
Why are you in our bare feet?
@erin190308 ай бұрын
Don’t waste your time fixing someones junk!
@rciancia8 ай бұрын
The real time wasted is responding to your comment.