Govt.- "Hmm..We need to do something about the EWS of the society. Any suggestions?" Person 1: "Sir let's try to empower our economy by creating more jobs. At the same time let's empower the EWS by providing them the requisite social infrastructure and quality learning by strengthening the outreach of portals such as SWAYAM & other education sector schemes. Ensuring sufficient vacancies and equal opportunities for them to compete on equal footing with the others, we can have a healthy development and upliftment of all sections of our economy n society, without compromising merit." Person 2: "Or, we can give them 10% reservation & end the debate". Govt.- "You're goddamn right."

nobody said that improving education is the way forward..same school for all....moreover reservation is not employment guarantee scheme

Adding a word" secular reservation" really gives different dimension to debate which is going on in whole of the India today..good one sir

How 1000 years of injustice could be removed by 100 years of reservation ?

I wanted FRANK SIR to ask the panel about Art 16(4) which makes it mandatory for a section to come under reservation if they are INADEQUATELY represented. Since this 10% reservation covers 95% of the population, doesn't it violate Art 16(4)? This can be the reason of being ultra vires if the bill has to pass judicial test.

I am leaving the country if reservation is introduced in private sector.

Valid points raised by Satya Prakash

If you think 8 lakh should be the criteria someone who is earning 2lakh can he compete with the one who earns 8 lakh.... Even if you make it 2 lakh per year 80 to 90% sc and st will be qualifying in that criteria but only few percentage of general candidate will qualify in that criteria. Make it economic but don't give reservation who is earning 66000 per month. They did this jumla because they had to get votes from 90% of the upper caste. This is utterly a baseless thing what they are doing.

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This BJP GOVT didn't concern about women reservation ...but now election will come soon that's why ......attract the people ...and not mention which caste getting reservation for general category 10%

Sensible questions...

Satya Prakash is very correct and transparent at 24:15.

My favourite anchor Parera sir thank you sir you are great

sir plsease provide subtitle and summery of the debate

satya prakash..is awesome ...

Slab should be brought down to 2.5 lacs viewing the kind of poverty we are dealing with and the minimum wage that govt has designated .

All Reservation is regressive.

Nice discussion

kindly enable the cc subtitle option..it will expedite the understanding process

26:16 Frank's smile 😂

The very crucial point to be kept in mind from history that nature of economy from past have decided the socio political condition of society..and today we have moved towards capitalist society where economic status playing crucial role and in such situation it's a good move to provide economically backward.people opportunity and situation of 1990's Mandal commission were different when we were more of socialist society..

People who earn 8 lakh annually are economically weaker, seriously !!!!!

why no debate on constistutional amendment in 2 days ...........

The government has mentioned that this bill is exclusively for general candidates.not for SC/ST/OBC. Why is the panel discussing that it is for all?

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How can u calculate one's economy??...I earn as a professor by 50K per month...but I lend money for interest ...tat 50K only in calculation...income through income is not calculated....even my father can't calculate my economy....then hw economy became a criteria???

Historical injustice argument can't go for the eternity ....If we have to progress as a rational , rule based society caste based reservation has to end on some day .....And we have to start marching towards that day ......And the arrival of that day will mark the evolution of india as a rational rule based society............

Not sound discussion

Obc creamy layer have income limit of 8lakhs no one said single word about how one with 66000pm get obc reservation

So much dichotomy among panelist 🤔

“The worst form of inequality is to try to show unequal things as equal.”-Aristotle. These TV analysts are trying to equate a poor Brahmin with a poor Adivasi or SC or BC. Upper caste poor is only Economically poor, Lower caste poor is Socially, Economically and Politically poor. One can't measure them with the same scale. I am not trying to deny the EBC reservations but I am proposing a few amendments to it... Poor is poor... So, poor Muslims, Buddhists etc. should bring under this EBC. Poorest of the poor should get the benefit. So, instead of 5 acres and 8 lakhs slab... it should be landless and 2.5 lac (income tax slab). A human being is a social creature, economics come later. So, upholding Economic reservations as Secular reservations while pretending blind on Social reality is a hypocrisy and conspiracy. The rhetoric upper caste analysts in the TV debates always talk against to the cause of Dalith Humanity. These pseudo-intellectuals don't feel a social responsibility towards the vast majority people who are untouchable, landless, who are living in Ghettos outside the village, working in manual scavenging, who are uneducated and can't afford better schools and colleges like they do... These Manuvadis want the unprivileged people to work in their vast agri lands, carry their shit, repair their vehicles, cut their hair, wash their clothes, mend their footwear... They want the caste-based hierarchy so that they can live comfortably on the top of the pyramid while the people at the bottom suffer internally.

Caste based reservation have been sharpening caste system itself..but economical criteria based will serve better to ideal and judicious society... because merit should not be hampered owing to person's caste..it will equally hamper growth of nation at large..

The penalist donot look thoroughly prepared for the debate. It's disappointing when they take such national level debates with a casual attitude.

After 124th amendment SC/ST/OBC cannot compete for the seats which is exclusively set for economically weaker sections.. So there is reduction of opportunities for SC/ST/OBC...

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What I am thinking is sir , we have to finish this reservation for cast and any for religions. instead of this we can provide reservation to all who already below the poverty line including general and if SC OR ST people are really backward in economically than they also wil get l benifit along with other general people.

It means that people who earn Rs 65000 per month are still poor? Whats going on? If there is reservation for economically backward classes Then what is the meaning of reservation for socially backward classes? What's going on these?

Every one is talking about representation on the basis of caste ( sc/st/obc)...... what about the representation of India's poor people (bpl peoples) in government job /in politics/in lol sabha/ in rajya sabha/ in state assemblies....

God what big egos of some here. Satya Prakash is spouting nonsense about there being no reservations in private institutions when the fact is otherwise. And interrupting the Supreme Court advocate to clarify what "he is suggesting" !

The biggest hurdle that is going to be faced by the government is its implementation and by what mechenism this economy poor class is going to be identified.

cant comment about the real intention behind this move. it may be for good cause or politically motivated. but what i see is "this can be a FIRST STEP towards reservation based on economic criteria" hope some day it happens.

Until now it was good and just to give reservations on caste basis. But now things are different. Caste base res should absolutely struck off gradually if not abruptly. Its a good start in this regard EWS.

Atrocities and false cases under sc/ st act are also registerd against upr castes( so called & nt in real sense). Caste distinctions are nearly absent in urban areas. In rural areas very few cases are seen on such grounds and are highlighted by media very strictly.

...... JAI HIND.......

Dont bring rss dillog taran in the debate frank sir

The History has been re written by MODI Ji,whether the State government had to follow this or depending upon the state population it varies?

I beg to differ or maybe I am wrong. But isn't the current reservation for the unreserved? Let's take it like this. SC + ST + OBC constitute roughly 70% of the population, who are getting 49.5% reservation. And those who are not getting in this 70% comes under creamy layer. So now from the rest 50% we consider 40% falls under EWS. Then these are the people who will get 10% reservation. Correct me if I am wrong.

Where is unequal representation of people among the upper castes? They're present everywhere.. And you're saying there's unequal representation. India is not just for upper castes.. There are other people present too. You (RSTV) call people only belonging to such views and ideas.. Try calling diverse people so that we as consumers of knowledge can have proper takeaways.

Even the caste based reservation is favouring only economically forward people.. in every caste weather it is backward or forward the economically weaker sections are lagging very behind. So I think this is a right step in right direction.. and eventually this caste based reservation should be replaced by economic based reservation..

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Yes u r ryt Frank.. we shd go for policies other dan reservatn shd be encouraged ex welfare schemes.. competition shd be merit based.. nyways reservatn is sm how violating right to equal opportunities.. u shd make educatn more relevant so dat merit can be praised by all.

Here some people commens that it will create Antimerit society, so my question to them that does other reservation provide merit based society? Benefit of Reservation is not being taken by ground level, lower strarta of the sc, st community, who are real contender for the same. In reality high profile sc, St family take the benefit of the reservation.

Not a fan of bjp.... But what a masterstroke...,☺☺.... 2019 general elections jeetne k liye kaafi h.... It will completely cover all 'not so successful' measures undertaken such as demonetization, gst....political compulsion forced almost all d parties to support this bill..... Win win situation for bjp

It is clearly mentioned in the Constitution that reservation is just a temporary one and ultimately it has to remove after empowering SCs and STs socially in the society, but still they are facing discrimination. My point is, reservation has to be remove after some point of time but by bringing socially advanced group into reservation system what govt want to say, does it want to keep reservation till end of the 21st century ? does it establish equality in India? I think govt want to escape from providing jobs. See, its the responsibility of govt to eradicate poverty through its schemes but not by providing reservation. I surprised that all political parties supported it. If they oppose they may loose vote bank, this type of politically motivated govts and oppositions will make India remain as developing nation even after 21st century.

Caste is not basis of social backwardness but now those who are economically backward are also becoming socially backward.

It seems like mr ratan only trying to justify this action of resevation at any cost

The assumption that 50% reservation is purely based on caste itself is wrong.....we already have economic division inside caste by dividing OBCs into creamy and non-creamy layer.So this 10% on economic basis is not sth that would look objectionable by SC.

Not sure if panelist and RS reads comments... If Casteism is only historical issue... Why Govt. and media is so afraid of Cast based sensex... There has been none since Independence...

Constitution is not the source of reservation this time but Jaitley's words...Agnihotri and Singh were the pessimistic old bad asses....

i feel that the debators here no idea of the difference between caste based discrimination and economy related discrimination... the historical injustice has in no way been removed... show me the places where socially backward people wield high positions and decision makers? how many supreme court judges are from schedule caste??? how many north eastern tribes are adequately represented in Rajya sabha?? leave all that... tell me what happened to women reservation bill??? why does govt decline ? when you can say that a man doesn't feel inferior or is not being treated inferior... on the basis of caste...then u go ahead and and remove reservations... because... reservation in one of the ways repressed group can ascertain their rights.... one cannot just say "close caste based reservations and shift to income based reservations..." ..... its is also to be noted that... income based reservations will only make ppl more lazy and corrupt... how many of the OBC category show their true income? this will replicate in 10% reservations too

Desh Ratan is wrong when he says private educational institution provide reservation. Private colleges which are affiliated to Public universities or aided by state only provide for reservation.

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In this world of consumerism and money and lust i dont think social backwardness still exist in lower caste rather poors in every caste(upper or lower so called) are treated as UNTOUCHABLES and inferior beings. Actually , in urban areas lower class elites are treated good but not any labourer or beggar of any caste. Socially and politically also so called lower caste are strong and influential and not backward.

This bill very vague the way it it formulated,firstly the cap or criteria like 8lac,5acrs,1000sq ft actually cover 90%of the PPL of society so,will it actually benefit the poor,it may not,there is no gaurentee,irony being it is categorised under ews(economical ly weaker sections)it should be exclusively for poor.Those of you all saying that there is creamy layer for obc but obc is caste based so income is not a main issue,here income is base point.there is a high chance of misuse of this bill,than benefit,secondly it is for ews but only for upper castes,now is it caste based or income based is the question,again for reservation to function,the need would be that we show a particular group or section of people facing discrimination so we need to reserve for them,here we can't say exclusively poor are facing problems under current system due to reservation s,again if we say poor Are lacking facilities,so we need to give them a push,it still won't count as discrimination as it is just a economic difference other affirmitive actions should be taken for improving facilities,also reservation for castes that have been under benefit for 3generations and more should be removed.

the bill aims to uplift the economically weaker sections of society may unintentionally unite various sections of society since reserved categories have been looked as if they are stealers of jobs. however the issues are: 1) issue of implementation considering various criteria for securing the quota(land, income...). 2) issue of proportionality- 10% may not benefit greater number of those 80% . 3) against Indira sawney case which proposed the 50% cap 4) affect article 14 clause 2 which is equal PROTECTION under law where like is comparable to like- an upper caste who is socially forward is not equated to a socially and educationally backward caste. 5) the idea behind reservation that is for the upliftment of the historically oppressed sections would be ignored. way ahead: welfare programmes and scholarship programmes for economically weaker sections of society. 2021 census would give a clearer picture on proportion of economic backwardness

India is fastest growing economy in the world, however with this new poverty scale Indian has more than 98% backwards in Country. HOW ? MEANS Anything ?

Frank, don't mind but please don't put beard. You look good in clean shaved style and not in a beard.

Reservation reservation !!! Where are the jobs man ... focus on creating jobs ... public sector is already cutting down , gov jobs are declining , gov are not able to comlete xams in a time bound manner except upsc ... loo at the sate xams in up , 2016 ka intverview ki date ab ayi hai , 2017 mains ka result abhi nai aya hai 2018 ka prelims ho gya aur result waiting hai ... wat the hell are we going to do with resrvations when ther are no jobs ... this bjp gov is cutting down seats , look at upsc . In 2014 seats were 1300 thn 1073 thn 900 and now in 2018 750 , jisme se 50 percent resrved hain ... nuakri hai nai jo hai usme aap kat rahe ho aur fir resrvation dke ek bheed aur khdi kr do .... dimag khrab ho gya hai kya inka .... i guess everybody is high or seriously kisiko pdi nai hai is desh k youth ki ...

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Stupid political move nothing else ... wat was needed actaully was to rationalise earlier reservation criteria and bring certain caste out of them , made certain provisions like creamy layer in sc and st also ... because actaully the benefits of reservation are not going to those who actually needs them ... kya mtlb hai kisi sc bchhe ko reservation dene ka jiske father ya lothr ias officer hain ya pcs officer hain , similary u can see meena community in rajasthan , they basically are biggest gainers of reservation there and othrs st gets deprived beckz of them ... so firstly giv should have ratio alise those and then they could have given some concessions to economically weaker sections without touching the 50 percent limit ... On the othr hand wat kind of diff is this going to make i mean its laughable to say tht anyone will be benefitting frm this ... almost entire country will come undr this , and by lloking at the criteria set by the gov i mean wat kind of logic the gov has put in by stating tht 5 acre of land and othr such provision .. 5 acred of land in ghaziabad and 5 acre in a remote village are thse same , one is a crore pati and othr is poor farmer ... so the ghziabad wala 5 acre ka gareeb actaul gareeb ko upar nai ane dega .... I dont undrstnd tht wat had happnd to rajya sbha tv , their debates lacks substance now , it looks like more of supprting wat the gov does ... earlier they use to dig deepr and debate of substance bt now i see people who just talks like laymen... where are these facts , nobody talkd abt compications of implementing this , where is the data to prove who is economically poor and hw has the gov come to this ... ... this giv has been a farce on certain things really i mean u just wake up in the morning and say oh aaj to demonitisation krna aaj gst krna aaj reservation krna tha .... ary yaar thda research krke fir aao ... shyd logo ko fayda hi ho jaye ...

Any reservations can be only for backward people.. economic backwardness is ALSO a major disability for many of us I think?

Reservation really need to be secularised,,,,the amendment is a welcome move and need to be appreciated,,,,even it's not a political gimmick cuz the fish catcher is really without a bait😃😃😃

Historical injustice that you are talking about has went on for thousands of years wrt dalits.. Why was there so much discrimination in the first place? Not for one generation or two or three but for thousands of years.. And you're saying it (reservations) can't go on for hundreds of years.. Agreed, but let them at least become equals. Has it achived that yet? No. We're only moving towards an unequal society with such views amongst the people like those present in the panel.

Thank u sir

Historical injustice argument can't go for the eternity ....If we have to progress as a rational , rule based society caste based reservation has to end on some day .....And we have to start marching towards that day ......And the arrival of that day will mark the evolution of india as a rational rule based society............