Ralph Murphy Lecture - How to be Successful at Songwriting

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Loyola University School of Music Industry

Loyola University School of Music Industry

13 жыл бұрын

Ralph Murphy talks to Loyola University Students about what it takes to write a successful song.

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@brianthecryinlion
@brianthecryinlion 2 жыл бұрын
Ralph died of pneumonia on 28 May 2019. He was 75. R.I.P. Ralph and thank you a million for sharing your knowledge!
@eswing2153
@eswing2153 2 жыл бұрын
Pneumonia you say?
@subs4794
@subs4794 2 жыл бұрын
@@eswing2153 It's what his Wikipedia says...
@Felnuts
@Felnuts 2 жыл бұрын
damn
@dreamdealersmusic
@dreamdealersmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I really hoped to fly him in from wherever just to sit and have dinner with his company but Im afraid its too late in this life of a life. What a cool cat this guy was.
@Taffafilms
@Taffafilms 2 жыл бұрын
@@dreamdealersmusic ...learning from heaven...RIP
@alyssaisawesome1
@alyssaisawesome1 7 жыл бұрын
Biggest take away from this is drop the ego, pick a topic, details matter, and pick your audience and cater to it.
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
alyssaisawesome1 great recap, so true!!!
@ossiehalvorson7702
@ossiehalvorson7702 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, ego is the single biggest takeaway imo. Ego is the death of growth. The more you shed, the more room there is to grow.
@matiaspereyra9375
@matiaspereyra9375 2 жыл бұрын
Well said freind
@puccan479
@puccan479 2 жыл бұрын
Just depends. Ego works in rap. If you don’t give a shit what people think and create your own subgenre you become a legend. Catering to something that already exists only makes you part of a group that will be forgotten one day.
@ossiehalvorson7702
@ossiehalvorson7702 2 жыл бұрын
@@puccan479 Confidence is what you're looking for in regards to rap. You can be confident without being egotistical, they're not mutually inclusive. Ego and creating a subgenre have nothing in common either. Many people who have invented incredible new creative avenues have been very humble, just wanting to create their own outlet for creative expression.
@idontcare_wtf
@idontcare_wtf 6 жыл бұрын
After watching the whole video I have to say, that being a succesful musician comes in two parts: writing for yourself, and writing for your audience. If you do it only for yourself, its harder to penetrate in the music business, and actually make real money with it. But if you only write for the money, you start to lose the spiritual aspect of music that actually made you want to pursue a career being a musician. I think Ralph is being totally real about it, and the truth not always is something that you will like. This is fucking amazing, it made me think deeply about the power that music really has.
@houseofgraceworship
@houseofgraceworship 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717 2 жыл бұрын
I think his first point was to make whatever you do ultimately about you - it's supposed to be cathartic as a base before you worry about the next set of rules about morning hours, etc. Presumably the trick is to do all of this slowly enough to maintain the spiritual component - these guys started young!
@OFFICIALBROOKV
@OFFICIALBROOKV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this insight 🙏🏿🙏🏿. There’s definitely gotta be a balance!
@hip-hoprapstorage4440
@hip-hoprapstorage4440 2 жыл бұрын
It's like make the middle between making good music understanding by good musicians and making it enough look like pop to be loved by the big public
@andthensome512
@andthensome512 2 жыл бұрын
Then write as if you're the audience.
@Herfinnur
@Herfinnur 2 жыл бұрын
Timestamps for myself: 3:50 detail 5:00 motown, the audience is women 7:00 drive time 10:00 the enemy across the table 11:55 the singer's always a winner 21:43 You will write the second verse first 32:00 forms 1.-5. 36:00 melody 44:00 The goal with for Ralph with his talk 48:00 6. Form: Rondo 1:41:00 The demographic of almost all hit songs 1:43:00 How to start a song: the intro
@melissawelsh3289
@melissawelsh3289 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@peterfinn7862
@peterfinn7862 2 жыл бұрын
And others lol thanks. 👍
@demezzerate6769
@demezzerate6769 2 жыл бұрын
taking notes right now, using this comment to reply my current timestamp to keep it 22:00
@fatdrunkbaby24
@fatdrunkbaby24 2 жыл бұрын
44:13
@subs4794
@subs4794 2 жыл бұрын
What about the last hour? :)
@SingerSongwritingSchool
@SingerSongwritingSchool 5 жыл бұрын
People hate hearing all of this because they're determined to believe that good songs appear as magic. Learning there's a science behind it makes them realize it's a learnable skill. And if they're not doing it, it's not the fault of the magic. They have to take ownership and learn. Instead of feeling confronted or insulted by that, take it as inspiration! Learn! This video is pure gold. Instead of fighting your ego, learn! Much love to you all. Keep writing.
@justanaturaldisaster
@justanaturaldisaster 2 жыл бұрын
That is well said…and I bet you can work those words into something prosaic--you’re 90 percent there with a solid message underneath.
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as he said you should never be the loser in the song, I thought of Loser by the Beatles. One of their less popular songs! But still, so many exceptions to Murphy's rules that it's fun to think of why they were popular despite it
@dansedlacek4472
@dansedlacek4472 2 жыл бұрын
@Drunken Science Endeavors I thought of And I Love Her by the Beatles when he was talking about using the wrong pronouns. Also not as popular of a song!
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717
@drunkenscienceendeavors4717 2 жыл бұрын
@@dansedlacek4472 it did have a music video, but McCartney was a back prop pre 64 as far as the sales push lol, his stuff didn't catch as much but they were pushing a lot of covers then so... John can't be thaaaat proud of his dominance during the early days
@narcissisticidiot1727
@narcissisticidiot1727 2 жыл бұрын
Shut up and go make me a saandwich!
@Deliquescentinsight
@Deliquescentinsight 7 жыл бұрын
As Hunter S. Thompson said of the music industry: “The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.”
@dreamdealersmusic
@dreamdealersmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Musicians hating their own industry is the story.
@CottonCxndy
@CottonCxndy 2 жыл бұрын
@Rheumattica no it’s actually quite true the music business is very satanic and evil
@sonojon0
@sonojon0 2 жыл бұрын
Facts. Music business ain’t for the kind hearted. Gotta be cold out here
@edub9930
@edub9930 2 жыл бұрын
Whores & pimps yup. Pretty much sums up every American industry these days.
@youngshmurda4233
@youngshmurda4233 2 жыл бұрын
@@dreamdealersmusic it’s not even their own industry is the funny part
@aliasdandavisofficial
@aliasdandavisofficial 5 жыл бұрын
This isn't about "making music". This is about writing pop songs as a job. It's a job. If that's what sort of work you're after, this guy is on point. If you wan't to make art, the world will always need art. Keep doing it, please. If you want to make a living writing songs for top 40 pop & country radio, listen to people like this. Both are totally reasonable pursuits. (RIP Ralph Murphy)
@samunthl9077
@samunthl9077 2 жыл бұрын
Thats what many people miss - unfortunately
@michaelkeene5950
@michaelkeene5950 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the shorter version of my more long winded comment in response to user idontcare_wtf.
@tokyokid6513
@tokyokid6513 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Theonlyoneto
@Theonlyoneto 2 жыл бұрын
Good summary
@getsmartquick
@getsmartquick 2 жыл бұрын
Whether you making low culture eg pop music or high culture eg sophisticated high art fine art. You still gotta market brand advertise sell yes how you do it for a specific market will change but nonetheless things are bought and sold meaning there's some level of promotion
@Rexxtasy
@Rexxtasy 6 жыл бұрын
A key change in a song is like pushing the refresh button.
@danbee998
@danbee998 2 жыл бұрын
43:35 Pay it forward. RIP Ralph Murphy. Thank you to Ralph and to Loyola University School of Music Industry for keeping this video alive on KZfaq. 1:36:58 You can never do what you want as a songwriter. 1:38:58 General rule for Pronoun use. 1:39:36 Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, ever! 1:41:00 Detail, humor, irony.... What women look for in songs. 1:41:24 When you go fishing, think like the fish; i.e. cater your songs to what women (age 25-40) want, as they buy the most music. 1:42:10 Ralph's template for his morning drive time listener. 1:43:15 Beer:30 PM somewhere! 1:43:52 How Ralph starts a song. 1:45:03 In the intro 60 seconds (of a 3m 30s song), pose every question to be answered in the remainder of it. No unexplained stuff. 1:47:00 The more fun you have, the more money you make.
@WilliamBenBrooks
@WilliamBenBrooks 9 жыл бұрын
I met him twenty years ago and could not stand his bluntness. It angered me. Now at age fifty-five, I see he is completely right about everything he teaches. I just ordered his book. Live and learn, live and learn.
@acharich
@acharich 6 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 I think I have that effect on people sometimes too..
@djfox1555
@djfox1555 5 жыл бұрын
Well he did open with when he was young he met some old heads that told him everything he didn't want to hear. Sound familiar lol? Wisdom is a funny thing
@djfox1555
@djfox1555 5 жыл бұрын
He said in the beginning when he was younger some old heads told him all the things he didn't want to hear sound familiar? Wisdom is a funny thing isn't it
@sexyeur
@sexyeur 4 жыл бұрын
Book? 🤔 Hmmm...
@davidthelefty
@davidthelefty 3 жыл бұрын
J Michael book? Bought!
@cocoachunky9619
@cocoachunky9619 7 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing a lot of comments from people trying to come up with exceptions to try and prove this guy wrong. There will always be exceptions. You're missing the point.
@Thir13eenBeatz
@Thir13eenBeatz 3 жыл бұрын
Those are the people who haven’t made a penny from songwriting
@soulguitar77
@soulguitar77 8 жыл бұрын
The music industry works like that and he is just honest and straight. The only question is, if you want to be a part of it or prefer to stay an independent musician who plays from the heart.
@steveworley2997
@steveworley2997 2 жыл бұрын
Why not both?
@getsmartquick
@getsmartquick 2 жыл бұрын
Don't knock the game exploit the game that's how the saying goes
@LoveInCarmel
@LoveInCarmel 10 жыл бұрын
This man is BRILLIANT. I do this for a living (and it's a great living), and I've never been so engaged in my life. This man is authentic, unapologetic, well-versed, rough around the edges, and my new mentor. Such clarity. So usable. Thank you so much for this gem Ralph. David Sovereign - Studio J by the Bay
@lloydhinshelwood
@lloydhinshelwood 5 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Ralph this video is essential viewing for songwriters ❤️❤️❤️
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Lloyd Hinshelwood I ended up grabbing his book about a month after he passed last year and I wish I got to meet him on a tour or something. Rip Ralph Murphy🤟🙏
@Kosine5
@Kosine5 2 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest men that I’ve ever met in life. What a beautiful soul. 🙏🏾
@JeremiahB444
@JeremiahB444 2 жыл бұрын
RIP 💜💜🙏🏼
@finlayfatknees
@finlayfatknees 2 жыл бұрын
I heard him mention Jimi arriving in London and started to wonder when this was filmed and if this man is still alive. So i scrolled down into the comments and felt sad for a moment. But it sounds like he had an exciting life and I really appreciate it when people take the time to record content like this. It's a goldmine and the information comes across so rhythmically. Thanks Ralph, RIP.
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
This man taught me so much about writing. I literally watch this every couple months for the past 10 years just to reset it in my mind. And at the beginning I said a lot of the same denials in this comment section. And just like he said in the video, ‘Oh What does this old guy know?!’ 🤣🤣 Thank You Ralph, for all you given to us. Rest In Peace, my friend🙏🎶🤟
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. to the man who changed my whole life in songwriting. I have watched this talk and read his ‘Rules of Songwriting’ book time and time again over the past 5+ years. Couldn’t be more grateful for this content, you rule Ralph - Where ever you may be!!🙏✌️
@subs4794
@subs4794 2 жыл бұрын
Did it help you write anything we would know or something great to show us?
@pezman1963
@pezman1963 5 жыл бұрын
I am so sad to hear Ralph has passed away. I learned a lot from him sitting one on one. I made really believe I was good enough to be here. Such a talented man and real nice guy.... R.I.P.
@SoftTangerineDreams
@SoftTangerineDreams 4 жыл бұрын
Just found him today because of this video and saw he passed away. Amazingly talented man. Bless his heart!
@KayFlowidity
@KayFlowidity 2 жыл бұрын
00:30 Out the gate!🔥 2:45 Gift of Perception 3:45 Humor, Irony & Detail 🙌 5:45 The Ladies 7:30 Drive time 8:40 Why you ✍ 9:30 Invite them in 13:00 Songs are interviews 15:00 Craftsmanship 16:55 Know yourself 18:20 Knowledge 20:35 Halo Effect 21:45 2nd Verse 1st 💪 24:10 Wrong Pronouns 26:05 Biggest Obstacle: You 27:55 Think like a... 28:35 💪💪💪 29:45 Rules! 🔥 32:15 3 Mins 34:00 The 6 Forms 37:50 Bridge the "What if" 40:20 Rhyme Scheme! 44:45 Melody 1st, Lyrics 2nd 46:00 Consistency - remain linear 47:40 Always another way 1:01:25 4th Form 1:26:45 Your "Why" to songwriting 1:39:00 Never let truth ruin a good story
@MusicLover-dv8fn
@MusicLover-dv8fn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you bro
@shreddiestreams
@shreddiestreams Жыл бұрын
What a champ. Thank you so much!
@stevekaposi2095
@stevekaposi2095 9 жыл бұрын
when he talked about how you feel in mornings was so true. I DO NOT want to hear even music that I like in the morning driving to work. NEVER. on the way home I will crank out my fav tunes
@50865191
@50865191 7 жыл бұрын
Song Forms 2nd Form- Verse, Verse (optional) Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Instrumental., Chorus Out 3rd Form- Verse, Verse (optional), Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Chorus, and out (an instrumental can be put in before or after the bridge if you feel the need!) 4th Form- Verse, Verse (optional), Pre-chorus or lift, Chorus or title, Verse Pre-Chorus or lift, Chorus/title Bridge (optional) Pre-chorus or lift (optional), Chorus and Out. 5th Form- Verse, Verse, Bridge, Verse 6th Form- The sixth form, or rondeau, or rondo I cover in my book “Murphy’s Laws of Songwriting.”
@mattgraham1203
@mattgraham1203 7 жыл бұрын
Makin bacon pancakes
@Harlem55
@Harlem55 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting-AABABC - AABABC + CodaRelatively Predictable- what about using forms such as AABBAC + Coda or AABBAC ????
@Headrum
@Headrum 4 жыл бұрын
ty!
@getsmartquick
@getsmartquick 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harlem55 are these alphabets rhyme schemes or what please clarify so I can understand
@Harlem55
@Harlem55 2 жыл бұрын
@@getsmartquick In popular music, Assume section A is a verse of a song, Section B is a chorus of the song, and section C is the bridge. Large works like symphonies work somewhat like that in that we usually have three distinct sections or movements which we call sonata form. J.P. Sousa used the technique in the military march, and Joplin used it in ragtime, such that some type of three-section form has been a trend since the first vinese school. (e.g. Bethoven, Motzart, and contempories). However, we can break these forms down into A,B,C, etc. based upon four, six, or eight-bar phrases such that musical phrases will tend to repeat due to rhyme being a device which requires, as the general rule, symetrical or semi-symetrical rhythm patterns before things get difficult to the tune of Slim Shady.
@rdfgdfgfgdfg
@rdfgdfgfgdfg 3 жыл бұрын
I've worked in music and it's full of people like this. Incredibly charismatic "geniuses", who know all the answers, who are friends with all the Beatles (*sighs - "George was a genius, you know?"), who can smooze like crazy and who won't hesitate to stab you directly in the back to get ahead. You have to learn to manage the snake pit :)
@AlexPixelBite
@AlexPixelBite 2 жыл бұрын
So do you think this guys advice is good?
@marshey1579
@marshey1579 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexPixelBite Word. thats all i care about. I never heard of this guy, all i wanna know is if the advice works.
@MaggaraMarine
@MaggaraMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Seems like most people are missing the point. This guy is talking about being a professional songwriter - someone that writes songs for other people, not for themselves. If you are going to do that, you want to know how to write hit songs, because that's your job. He's teaching people that are going to write the next hit songs for the next Justin Bieber. Professional songwriters like him may write hundreds of songs a year. It has little to do with art. It is their job and the whole point is writing as many hit songs as possible. His advice doesn't apply to people who want to be independent artists and write "honest" music. Most artists don't write music for other people. They write music for themselves and they write music that they like. But professional songwriters like this guy are not performers. They are not going to perform their own songs. They let other people (that have more mainstream appeal and just do the job better) do that. His advice mostly applies to people who want their songs playing on the mainstream radio channels.
@motorcop505
@motorcop505 7 жыл бұрын
MaggaraMarine Unfortunately, most of the retards watching this are too stupid to understand what he's saying. There is a reason why ASCAP pays him to teach up and coming song writers! He is a professional song writer. As he clearly states, bands that sing their own songs don't use song writers' work most of the time. He clearly says they won't use your work. Most of these dim witted people leaving comments don't even realize that lots of the pop songs used by acts from Cher Lloyd to Katy Perry all play songs written by song writers like Dr. Luke, who don't perform themselves. Of course none of the dolts leaving comments will ever write any hit songs, either.
@Harlem55
@Harlem55 7 жыл бұрын
Bad example-- Justin Bieber sucks as performer, and even the songs are total trash in my book. Frankly, the second I hear a four letter word, a reference to drugs or premarital sex, or a whole slew of other things that could be characterized similarly, I'm already reaching for the dial on the raidio, the TV remote, my mouse, or lifting my finger to the phone to change the song.
@MaggaraMarine
@MaggaraMarine 7 жыл бұрын
+John Doe I don't think JB is a bad example. I personally don't like JB but there's no denying the fact that he is very popular and his songs (at least some time ago) play on the radio all the time. If you want to be a successful songwriter, you want to write as many hit songs as possible. This means, you will write songs for people like Justin Bieber. If you want to do this, listen to the advice on the video. But if not, and you want to express yourself artistically and write "honest" music, not music whose whole purpose is to appeal to the masses (like Justin Bieber), then don't listen to the advice on the video. Just write music that you enjoy. My point was that professional songwriters write songs for other people and their goal is to write hit songs because that's how they make their living.
@acharich
@acharich 6 жыл бұрын
💣💣💣💣💣
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is 100% correct, He’s talking about how to share and be accessible. Helping people hear your music, let it out! Follow these principals, it always works!!!!
@kennethochoa7550
@kennethochoa7550 2 жыл бұрын
i loved the way Ralph ended his class lecture just like he STARTED IT SAYING about one form of song writing, end the song saying what you started the song with "THEY LOVE ME AT 10 PM BUT THEY WON'T LOVE YOU AT 7AM IN THE MORNING" SAY THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SONG😅
@justbobby5981
@justbobby5981 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I can't even begin to try to say how great it is to listen to everything you have to say. I have never heard anybody explain it in a way like this. Every time I write from now on I will be thinking of your words. Thank you so much Ralph.
@tombowers8079
@tombowers8079 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I got chills listening to this. Every year I write my wife a song for our anniversary, we’ve been married 15 years, and THIS year is the first time I feel like I’ve written something really great. My approach was “get out of my own way”.. I usually get hung up on my perception of the song, this year I wrote it from her listening prospective. Ironically, even I relate to this song more than the others.
@trtzbass
@trtzbass 5 жыл бұрын
RIP Ralph. This very video has been a source of constant inspiration. Thanks, wherever you are now.
@davex444
@davex444 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. Murphy! I've listened to this talk every time I'm stuck on a song, and you always put me back on track. Generations of wisdom in your words!! Thanks man.
@jonnymartinez570
@jonnymartinez570 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, The information is price less and I am so honored to hear and see this amazing Writer, RIP Ralph Murphy God Bless you and your family! Thank you for sharing , much respect!
@Bluebuthappy182
@Bluebuthappy182 11 жыл бұрын
If your blood is started to boil when you hear about targeting a particular listener and the nitty gritty of the music business take a breath and skip forward to 1.46.55 to 1.47.25. Now go back and listen to what he's saying. It's just about increasing the chances of success.
@sexyeur
@sexyeur 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. This is one the most insightful videos you'll see anywhere. Thank you SO much for posting!
@danielscottburke
@danielscottburke 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I appreciate his teaching style and storytelling. Stories upon, stories that take you places. 💛
@noahrubio2939
@noahrubio2939 3 жыл бұрын
Been listening to this guy the past few days and he has a very interesting perspective on the music industry, and he's absolutely hilarious in this lecture
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 10 жыл бұрын
Delivery is the key. There are a few major artists in my favorite genre that I personally don't like but again their styles are memorable and unique in every way.
@OverdriveMusic
@OverdriveMusic 2 жыл бұрын
RIP Ralph. I was looking for this lecture for years. Finally found it again.
@empowermph
@empowermph 11 жыл бұрын
he's the vice president of ascap Nashville, he knows what he's talking about, if youre into making popular music, you'll agree. he's saying if you want to keep your artistic integrity and be broke, go ahead, or follow the formula with your honest heart and integrity intact, and be successful.
@joenix7550
@joenix7550 2 жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure of meeting Ralph while I was studying songwriting at uni and he listened to my song and told me to rewrite it from a different perspective the way he’s speaking about here. I didn’t agree at the time but I love this chat, what a great writer. Rest in power. Thanks for being great :)
@RandyBurnettTalks
@RandyBurnettTalks 9 жыл бұрын
Anytime U can pick the brain of someone like this. U DO IT!! Thank U I find stuff like this very valuable!!
@dreamdealersmusic
@dreamdealersmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I cant thank you enough for this. You are by far one of the coolest guy on this planet of a rock.
@butwhatifyoucould
@butwhatifyoucould 8 жыл бұрын
It's just so good to hear something being explained without the sugar-coating. Thanks to all concerned.
@bandclinens
@bandclinens 12 жыл бұрын
absolutely wonderful lecture! Im 13 and have been writing song for a few years now, but this has really made things clearer to me. - Jake
@facebagelmusic
@facebagelmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Jake Julian you should be about 21 now, how’s your songwriting coming along??
@Crusade56
@Crusade56 2 жыл бұрын
And now you are 22yrs old 😅😅
@brink1181
@brink1181 2 жыл бұрын
Still alive??
@regina0273
@regina0273 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jake!! How did it turn out?
@sol995
@sol995 2 жыл бұрын
I hope jake is okay x
@dreamdealersmusic9853
@dreamdealersmusic9853 5 жыл бұрын
Best lecture ever made. You are by far my greatest inspiration of doing what i love. Best part is it works
@Cherevolution1
@Cherevolution1 10 жыл бұрын
he talked about a lot of songs i knew. this guy really shared his experience. i love that i got to see this. thanks so much for the upload.
@amandacochran2580
@amandacochran2580 7 жыл бұрын
Thank You. This lesson is By Far the BEST Information I have ever sat in on. I will everyday listen to this.
@craigcothren
@craigcothren 11 жыл бұрын
Had Ralph as a teacher. His critiques of artists songs are dead on.
@ianmiddel2898
@ianmiddel2898 5 жыл бұрын
Buildings come in many shapes and sizes, but if you don't follow some engineering fundamentals, the results will likely suffer. Very enlightening talk.
@DavisWebb100
@DavisWebb100 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. The most informative tutorial I have seen on the subject.
@Dedisun
@Dedisun 3 жыл бұрын
This is gold! glad i found it. Much respect!
@dazedconfuzed6
@dazedconfuzed6 10 жыл бұрын
pretty sure there are quite a few hit songs where the artist labels himself as a loser, three doors down "loser", beck "loser" and both were chart topping hits. This guy is teaching you not to say that because you will turn your audience, well it worked out well for beck and 3 doors down. music is expression not a set of rules, someone out there will find your music good no matter what you write about as long as its composed well.
@matthewquesada6992
@matthewquesada6992 10 жыл бұрын
Not to mention "I'm a Loser" by the Beatles.
@louh9211
@louh9211 10 жыл бұрын
I thought of those songs too. Like he also said, they are the exception to the rule , not the horse you'd bet on. Also, Those artists had already had made it and had a fan base. That makes a giant difference. If my band wrote that exact same song as Beck "loser" and pretend that it sounded exactly the same, You never would've heard it. If you want to discredit Ralph that's fine but You are missing the point if that's all you came away with here. And also, we know that you aren't a professional song writer because other pros don't down other pro's. It's just not professional:) Hey I'm not trolling. I was just disappointed to see your comment. And it pissed me off a bit. cuz, here is a man who is in the game, a school that doesn't mind sharing, and many of us who are grateful. Have a great day sir! Be sure to write me back and discredit me and call me a jerk off......That's what I expect.
@Toxxic88
@Toxxic88 10 жыл бұрын
also creep by radiohead.
@kendellsmithmusic
@kendellsmithmusic 10 жыл бұрын
zziggymaan You all have to remember, he never said it would not be a hit, he said that your doom will come shortly thereafter. Hence, Beck and 3 Doors Down are no longer main stream. Radiohead never really was but that was one of their popular songs.
@petbarry123
@petbarry123 10 жыл бұрын
Nope, Loser by Beck is a perfect example where it is full of poetic irony and humor, it's not just Beck whining and moaning, so i think it stands up to the principals which he is teaching.
@monkeyodaDJ
@monkeyodaDJ 10 жыл бұрын
Can I be honest and opened ? I had TEARS listening to Ralph introduction about our profile , quoting : "...as a monumentaly dysfunctional human being, you have a problem. The basic profile for all of you is : - physically, sexually ,emotionally, abused - from a broken home - with an inability to communicate and a desperate, desperate, desperate desired to be loved AND martially dyslectic, that is your profile..... .... and that is what is going to make you GREAT..." For the FIRST time in my life, i FEEL NORMAL. I am truly speachless THANKS A LOT .
@evillano
@evillano 9 жыл бұрын
***** fuck you, hater
@HarmonyMusicPromotion
@HarmonyMusicPromotion 8 жыл бұрын
+monkeyoda Love it. If only we all accepted ourselves more, I love how he says it like its a common fact. Every creative person has these issues, but we feel like its only ourselves
@ianbartle456
@ianbartle456 2 жыл бұрын
@@HarmonyMusicPromotion Too right while as you claim it may be 'a common fact', you can count on the fingers of one thumb the number of people who'll be that honest with you in your life. This is a guy who's learned not to do self-delusion - and he doesn't want it for you either. Hard to hear - but most probably necessary to hear.
@KittKattBarr222
@KittKattBarr222 Жыл бұрын
When he said that my jaw hit the floor. Then he went on to describe how we can read people. Give me 5 minutes in a room, don't even have to talk to them and I can tell you their life story. Really incredible what dysfunction can do.
@patricm.3718
@patricm.3718 3 жыл бұрын
This is extremely valuable material. Ralph is fantastic.
@jimmystuckeysongs3859
@jimmystuckeysongs3859 4 жыл бұрын
Ralph was a great songwriter, producer, educator and human being. He touched the lives of millions and will be missed greatly..(RIP) Ralph Murphy...!
@johnpinion8033
@johnpinion8033 2 жыл бұрын
Great talk. Would liked to have seen a full song list. Here are a few I was able to figure out: Linkin Park - Shadow of the Day, Trace Adkins - You're Gonna Miss This (52:00) , The Ting Tings - That's Not My Name (58:00) , Buckcherry - Sorry (1:03:00) Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (1:11:00), Crystal Gayle - Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue & Half the Way (mention 1:14:00), Sara Bareilles - Love Song (1:06:00), Miley Cyrus - See You Again (1:16:00) , One More Day (1:24:00) There are quite a few more that I was not able to figure.
@tenzazangitsu
@tenzazangitsu 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@Gswerve
@Gswerve 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@rockyrankin11
@rockyrankin11 2 жыл бұрын
You are the saviour of this comments section
@johnpinion8033
@johnpinion8033 2 жыл бұрын
@@rockyrankin11 Lol Thank you.
@mictailor970
@mictailor970 2 жыл бұрын
You're a legend
@promcoordinator2747
@promcoordinator2747 10 жыл бұрын
You guys aren't listening to what he is saying. He is trying to explain what the masses would like to hear and how to connect to them better. From there you can play around and be creative but if you think he is just telling you to do A, B and C in order to make a song, you're totally wrong.
@harbingersev-oh-wohne
@harbingersev-oh-wohne 10 жыл бұрын
I agree, and your username says it all XD An artist cannot reach professional or genius standards without knowing the core basics of such a scientific thing: art. Once you master everything technically, then there is room to actively create work.
@Goremachine
@Goremachine 9 жыл бұрын
Junior Picasso Fuck the masses.
@acharich
@acharich 6 жыл бұрын
💣💣💣
@rawkinj6609
@rawkinj6609 2 жыл бұрын
RIP Ralph. This lesson you gave changed my life tonight! You will live on through song! 🙏
@SuperLevelone
@SuperLevelone 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS and hope it NEVER goes off the web LOVE you Ralph
@salpedroza8984
@salpedroza8984 8 жыл бұрын
If you have listened to a lot of music you will know this guy knows his shit. Use his generosity to improve your skills!
@noahferguson3540
@noahferguson3540 7 жыл бұрын
All my songs have improved 10 fold tonight just because I did what he said. They sound like completely different songs now, and are even better.
@salpedroza8984
@salpedroza8984 7 жыл бұрын
The most important part of the lectures he gives are the song forms verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus out. Makes your songs palatable for listeners
@sonicfoxxmusic4281
@sonicfoxxmusic4281 7 жыл бұрын
Swapping verse 1 around with verse 2(lyrically speaking) seems to work every time...good stuff.
@AdamUpMusic
@AdamUpMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. As there’s plenty of exceptions to these rules, I appreciate the lessons, perceptions and techniques shared. 🙏📝🎶🎯
@carmiesanpaolo8689
@carmiesanpaolo8689 7 жыл бұрын
I always love hearing from Ralph Murphy
@betterbuilt1114
@betterbuilt1114 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!! I learned so much about myself listening to him. So much makes sense now.
@patrickkearns7674
@patrickkearns7674 9 жыл бұрын
The best thing to take from this is knowing how the industry works when it comes to Hits and Songwriting, This is half of what it takes to write successful songs, this is just one of many other songwriters in the world who know how to work the system, You need to have open mind when it comes to the two most important sides of this industry "The Music Business" side and "The Music Creation" side.
@richardgrasso4099
@richardgrasso4099 2 жыл бұрын
Great GREAT Stuff! Wish I saw this sooner! As a Guitarist, Pianist, Songwriter, Singer, Arranger, Producer of over 75 different records I wish I would have had this information 50 years ago! I've only had 5 Nationally Charted Records! I could have had 10 or 20 more Hits!!!
@killsam5979
@killsam5979 2 жыл бұрын
i had this video on my home on youtube and i was like "why should i watch an old man explaining songwriting? i'm a producer, that wouldnt even help me". boy was i wrong, i loved the example of how a midnight track doesn't really translate at 7am in the morning and viceversa, and also the whole "be positive, be a winner" thing, i do work with songwriters and they know this stuff, but just now i'm noticing it, thanks sir
@harper-nicoleanderson7622
@harper-nicoleanderson7622 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of what he is teaching, I learned following Sheila Davis and some others but many of his ideas I had never heard before, such as don't change the chords until you change your thought. So many nugget like this, gold nuggets...
@pinkponycustoms
@pinkponycustoms 9 жыл бұрын
Helped me a lot, I'm on my own right now in the music career stuff so I'm glad I have youtube
@bobkamp3211
@bobkamp3211 2 жыл бұрын
I'm only minutes into this and can tell ya flat out, that man is pure genius. Let's see if he can lift my writers block.
@bw2937
@bw2937 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@motorcop505
@motorcop505 7 жыл бұрын
This is a very informative video. He literally gives would be professional song writers the keys to the kingdom by explaining the keys to song writing success - if they only have the sense to listen and put his knowledge to work. Thanks for sharing this!
@christinecochran5215
@christinecochran5215 3 жыл бұрын
Aw, miss you Ralph. Always a pleasure having known you at ASCAP and out n about.
@bandogbetty5881
@bandogbetty5881 10 жыл бұрын
Very educational, worthy, inspirational lecture. Gracious thanks. I'm out of the gate late, but, what the hay Mr Ed! Going for it! I'm a 1st copyright pup happily running through the backyard's green green grass of summer 2014. I have a gift and I know it. Working on my 1st hit! Thanks due in part to you, Mr Ralph Murphy.
@bandogbetty5881
@bandogbetty5881 10 жыл бұрын
Per your instruction, passed this on. Posted it to my Facebook page. Great nuggets, wisdom shared, truly appreciative of you. Will re-listen x multiples.... Took notes, but, need to take/make additional notes. When ever I need inspiration, I will seek you/your videos. I need my songs to hit the BIG time. This is the goal, this is the mission. What one man/woman can do, another can do. Willing to do the work. Dang....look at all the w's. Must be leaning to days and nights of real hard WORK! Lol Quagmire. Love that word!!! Thanks again, Ralph! ........... your new hit song writing friend, Bandog Betty
@TrueGritProductions
@TrueGritProductions 4 жыл бұрын
I eventually figured out intuitively that when I write a song, if I make the audience member feel as if they are the object/actor of the song or that they possibly could be, it potentially draws them in closer to feel/hear/relate to the material. That's why I try to write songs with "you" as the pronoun as much as possible, or if I use "I" then I try to make it as if they are also the "I" or can be.
@jakubjungle656
@jakubjungle656 2 жыл бұрын
This is an absolutely transcendental flow of consciousness.
@MyTubelessification1
@MyTubelessification1 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr Murphy your words are here to stay...
@Thir13eenBeatz
@Thir13eenBeatz 3 жыл бұрын
This dude oozes wisdom. Look at how he showed up for work drunk today
@globalmotivemusic5105
@globalmotivemusic5105 3 жыл бұрын
Thought I was the only one who noticed 😂😂😂
@CamRebires
@CamRebires 3 жыл бұрын
boozes?
@Joeltaa347
@Joeltaa347 9 жыл бұрын
I don´t know you Ralph Murphy but you are a very cool individual thanks for sharing all this information its gold!!!
@ronnied1137
@ronnied1137 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, Experience ( with all the right tools ) is the best teacher. Thanks Ralph
@1352Phil
@1352Phil 9 жыл бұрын
The Knowledge....*Bless Up* Ralph..!
@andrewtufano
@andrewtufano 8 жыл бұрын
This is advice I needed to hear. Love the no-BS style. I'm currently in the middle of writing 100 songs in 100 days and needed something like this. If any fellow songwriters are reading this, I'd love to hear your critiques on any of my songs. Thank you for posting this, great video!!
@TonyBlonko
@TonyBlonko 2 жыл бұрын
I like the passion he actually has for teaching I could definitely listen and feel that energy is real
@songwritingplanet
@songwritingplanet 8 жыл бұрын
These are some unique perspectives on songwriting. Definitely worth watching.
@SavvyTurtle
@SavvyTurtle 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed it thank you for taking your time to share it with us.
@GrantFoxOfficial
@GrantFoxOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
wow...i learned so much
@xv02greedo37
@xv02greedo37 3 жыл бұрын
@Luke Cairo wym
@MrAntsrules
@MrAntsrules 8 жыл бұрын
I write songs for myself and hope others can relate to them, if you start writing them for what you think they want to hear, it won't work. People aren't stupid. But this guy is a convincing charismatic speaker.Songwriting is an honest expression which comes from the heart.
@prettyboiJustin
@prettyboiJustin 7 жыл бұрын
Mack Alley actually lol majority is stupid, hes not lieing, he actually right about most of what hes saying, there is a certain way people want to hear the music, thing thats happening now is young generation that like lil yatchy and all them , there ears arnt trained they dint know what music is, and so they think music like that is dope because if the beat and what this does is creates a generation with no form or structure when it comes to mking songs and so it all behmes dependent on the beat, the producer is the real artist, so now these artist cant make songs unless the beat is banging , where as a artist that has structure and form and can write doesnt need super bass dope beats, you get what im saying??
@mikemccool7575
@mikemccool7575 2 жыл бұрын
@ant creates thank you.
@andrewsmedley-brown7463
@andrewsmedley-brown7463 2 жыл бұрын
Enlightening and inspiring. Quite simply, Thank-you.
@jesusqueriapa7126
@jesusqueriapa7126 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I will always have a huge love towards experimental music. It invites you in like no other.
@Roxisound
@Roxisound 8 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS MAN! He's brilliant. Simple logic that allows music to serve people rather than the artist to be self-serving.
@pault4172
@pault4172 10 жыл бұрын
What it takes to write a successful song these days and what it takes to write a great song that lasts in people's minds for years are two different things.
@NathanWorstell
@NathanWorstell 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love metal so much. You don’t hear metal on the radio. It’s not ever in any top 100 lists, but it’s beyond great music usually. And most metal songs are timeless and can be gone back too and still hold the same value.
@Yadeehoo
@Yadeehoo 10 жыл бұрын
All the things I always wanted to know. Thank You !!
@nvl2254
@nvl2254 2 жыл бұрын
only watched 20 mins but; already very valuable info about music marketing, writing, production, etc. i do music absolutely different to this guy, but what he's talking about has crossed my mind a lot of times
@SohNatan
@SohNatan 3 жыл бұрын
"Never be the loser" Radiohead: Cuz I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo...
@rebelsymphonyorchestra8830
@rebelsymphonyorchestra8830 3 жыл бұрын
They got away with it because of detail, detail, detail, detail... RIP Ralph Murphy. He's truly a legend.
@NightMedicine
@NightMedicine 3 жыл бұрын
That's EXACTLY what I thought. There are so many exceptions to these rules.
@demarcomac6573
@demarcomac6573 3 жыл бұрын
tame impala, i'm a loser, loosen up...
@CamRebires
@CamRebires 3 жыл бұрын
@@NightMedicine That's exactly the thing, had me wondering when they stop being "exceptions" and the rule stops being the rule
@joshuasiegal
@joshuasiegal 3 жыл бұрын
Songs like this and Beck's "Loser" have a few things in common. They are from very original artists who are expertly matching musical material to their personalities, the music is amazing and very well produced, and the songs are perfectly timed to coincide with a 1990s GenX vibe of cynicism and mistrust. Also, there is a combination of downer lyrics with upbeat or catchy music, which can work really well, but it's like catching lightning in a bottle. It either works or it doesn't. You could say the same thing about a song like "For What It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield. But what this guys is saying is that if you weren't Radiohead or Beck and you tried to write songs like that to sell to other artists, you'd have to hit that very narrow window of right artist, right music, right producer, right time / zeitgeist for it to work. If you got all that goin on, I guess you don't need advice like this. Otherwise, this guy has a lot to say.
@jvz773
@jvz773 3 жыл бұрын
Hole. Lee. Shit. I’ve been in music for decades, have studied creative writing as an English major in college, have taken loads of songwriting classes & attended seminars over the years, but THIS was the biggest revelation I’ve ever encountered on the topic of songwriting. Fantastic, thanks! 🙏👍💛
@danielfrancoismalherbe6803
@danielfrancoismalherbe6803 Жыл бұрын
God, i love this. Thank you for posting this. Ralph is king.
@wagnercontreras894
@wagnercontreras894 11 жыл бұрын
thank you, this was a great help and I hope that you know that you're doing great in teaching
@MariaM-pu4fx
@MariaM-pu4fx 3 жыл бұрын
I wrote the best lyrics in my life just while listening to this lecture thanks man you are the best
@brianboland7598
@brianboland7598 8 жыл бұрын
This is how all school should be taught!!
@xmsparker
@xmsparker 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm going to take your advice to heart and go out there and make it!
@honchomurkakababyfacemurk5034
@honchomurkakababyfacemurk5034 11 ай бұрын
I been here since false entity I can’t even remember how many subs you had but it wasn’t a lot at all and I been watching you grow I’m def proud of you and you inspire me I always come back here to your vids when I know I need grounding spiritually I’m very similar to you as well with rebranding myself and imposing my will on the world to be whoever I want to be at anytime I have multiple different names and people in different environments and different friends groups know me as such it’s a great feeling when you realize how much power you have
@blackheartro4769
@blackheartro4769 8 жыл бұрын
it is all very accurate information
@hermouthandthemachine
@hermouthandthemachine 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this. I (would be absolutely over the moon to have a real no bs unfluffed conversation or lesson on MUSIC AND WRITING an4d the business with someone who is sharing such raw truth and giving inspiration and careers out for free not for the weak I'm glad that this found me needed to hear it
@anaesparza1877
@anaesparza1877 2 жыл бұрын
I really like listening to you speak. This is a very valuable video. Will definitely be watching more of your videos.
@vaillantk1
@vaillantk1 9 жыл бұрын
If you already write from your heart and with your own passion, then I don't see why you'd be offended by someone that is sharing their own qualified knowledge of the "formal mechanics" of how songs become "hits" and enjoyed by a larger audience than say "Friends & Family".
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