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Went with the R9 based on availability. Couldn't be happier with my choice, but I am sure I would have been just as happy getting the CSL DD considering I was going from a G29.

If the wheel included in the new R5 bundle is any indication, I think Moza will have console support within the next year. At that point, it will be very difficult to make a case for the Fanatec. That said, Moza still needs to continue to build their ecosystem to counter the sheer variety of wheels that Fanatec offers.

In most parts of the world Fanatec is a top choice as the amount of choices available along with different pricing tiers of gear which all pretty well interchange within their eco system and units are available that can work with PC, Xbox and Playstation with the same gear if gear is chosen correctly. But one of the biggest things is that it is basically out of the box plug and play with only one cable going to the "system" and their software is easy for complete novices to initially set up and get to driving. Sounds like over the long haul Moza may be vying for that same works with PC and console and are really concentrating first on markets which are not served well for one reason or the other by Fanatec. More competition is good. I started decades ago with Logitech gear and then moved up to Fanatec CSL belt drive and now have the 8nm Fanatec DD and have always been happy with my Fanatec gear and never had any failures. The Fanatec Mclaren GT3 wheel is one of the best value buys in sim racing period!

im perfectly happy with my CSL dd and not gonna sell it anytime soon. but its very nice to see tough competition for fanatec that being said i thing better comparation with would have been bmw gt2 v2 or RS wheel both 350€ moza cs is 300€ but has tax excluded so price would probably be pretty close those fanatec wheel are way better than anything paired with csl hub

I have my heart set on Fanatec, I just love how adaptable it is when it comes to compatibility, like for instance I play on both Xbox and Playstation, I can have one wheel hub, pedals, and shifters and all I have to do is swap the control hubs, so i bought two wheels and control hubs, and all i have to do is switch the usb from the xbox or playstation and vice versa, and swap the wheels, its oddly satisfying. also I love the selection of wheels for Fanatec, not too mention you can use real racing wheels on their control hubs.

I made myself wait until I had moved from Xi'an to Changsha, and gotten my first salary at my new job before upgrading on the G29 I bought in early 2021. For about 6 months I had various CSL DD and GT DD Pro options in my Taobao cart and was convinced I would get Fanatec. When it came to purchasing though almost all the sellers had either run out or were charging mind-boggling prices (18000-30000 rmb). I had watched Ermin Hamidovic's review of the GS wheel and had Moza in mind as an alternative. Low and behold, Moza had an offer on their R9 packages. Something like a 23% discount. I got the R9, SRP pedals (3 pedals), and the CS wheel for the Chinese equivalent of £650. The same package if bought in the UK would be nearly double including shipping. Pretty happy with it so far. The difference in power compared to the G29 is immense although that is probably not too surprising. The pedals are, for me, the weakest point. I bought the loadcell accessory kit separately and I would strongly urge anyone looking at an R9 package to do the same. The out of the box brake pedal is far too soft. I now have the stiffest spring and damper in the accessory kit and it feels much better.

Saving up for a new sim rig after moving, planning on getting a Moza R9, still unsure about the pedals though

Had my R9 7 months now, loving every day with it, iRacing with irffb is a must.

Fanatec needs to get their stock sorted. Chip shortage is not a valid excuse anymore. Companies that still claim chip shortage are just trying to keep the prices up. If Moza keeps improving while Fanatec is sitting completely still and not shipping out and thus no revenue, this will be the beginning of the end for Fanatec. The only thing that is keeping Fanatec alive is their eco system. Moza is improving enormously and will be a very tough competitor. Keep up the good work Moza. and Fanatec: get. your. stock. sorted.

I reckon fannatec will be hurrying to get something done if the moza gets a console port and a wider rim ecosystem. The more hardcore console market (usually F1 game players or gt7 players) is something that the CSL dd has a firm grip on currently and needs competition imo.

I want my MOZA!!!!🤩 BYE BYE Fanatec......

I'm perfectly happy with my CSL DD and not gonna sell it. Although it's good that Fanatec has some competition. There are some products which they should upgrading instantly, incl. the QR and the handbrake.

I got the moza r9 with the gs wheel loving it . Fanatec almost impossible to get here in New Zealand 🇳🇿

Had the r9 for 2 days, broke down. Dealer had to send the unit to China. So went with the Amini, all good so far.

ACC ffb is only sending signals front the front wheels which is why rear wheel feeling might be lacking. It's the most realistic ffb. So perhaps the Moza is actually transmitting this more accurately and the CSL is somehow colouring the ffb (can't really see how that could be though, it can't be producing a signal from nothing).

I have the r9 and can say acc is absolutely fantastic on ffb I can catch the rear and feel the rear slipping and can feel the point of grip giving out with the r9 I'm confused to see why people can't feel it but I have come from a t300 and not tried a csl DD

As of 2024, considering all of the issues Fanatec has been having, is it still a better choice than Moza? Or has Moza gotten better and caught up?

the Alpha Mini really make these two obsolete for my needs

Just switched to the R9 because I couldn’t get the CSL DD to feel right. No feeling of what the rears are doing in ACC. The R9 is in comparison bliss! Super detailed and got it failed in in few laps. It feels stronger alround and no more worrying about that QR. I am more precise now and can load up the tires to limit of grip which I couldn’t do as easily with the CSL DD. So what’s bad about the R9. It oscillates and I stopped dialling it out and just went with it. You can stop oscillations by just holding the wheel lightly. Random propably did not tweak the FFB? The stock GTsettings are quite bad.

When i wanted to buy the CSL DD it wasn't available so i bought an Alpha Mini. Now i tried both i am very happy with spending some more money :)

Id take either. Still using logitech & probably always will... 😢

Aussie here, fanatec has a distribution Wearhouse and repair workshop in Victoria, Melbourne, Australia.

Thank you for the critical review. Currently have the CSL DD with a formula v2.5 wheel and was looking to sell for the moza FSR formula wheel with the R9 base. I only play ACC and now convinced if I lost a bunch of detail I would have regretted my decision..

Great review 👍🏻

Fanatec DD were constantly sold out when I was looking. Went for Thrustmaster TS instead. Very happy with it

Not sure how many people would like this info and whether it is possible to give a decent opinion about it but I would be interested how these wheels perform in games like WRC10/DR2.0 or is the mixed surface the issue? RBR could also be an idea but ffb feel on that one might be a bit old to see the differences... maybe?

I just got finished watching my own little super cut of Random Callsign's CSL-DD and R9 videos. And I have changed my opinion. Recently I was preaching if the R9 was available when I bought my CSL-DD, I'd have an R9, but my CSL-DD has been an unsung hero for me. The thing hasn't missed a beat, and is always strong and very detailed. I'm happy with the Fanatec base, and getting a metal QR1 made the experience better, now that I don't have to worry about one of my wheels breaking at the quick release. So, I recant my earlier stance on the CSL-DD. I got a damn good wheel base. I just hope Fanatec gets in gear, and fixes it's customer service, supply and quality chains. It's become vouge to cast hate on the brand, due to these shortcomings. They also could use an upgrade to the Formula wheels and more reasonably priced options. But for the moment, I'm good with my McLaren GT3/WRC wheels

Fanatec CSL DD with PS5 wheel been OOS in europe for months. Really bad situation.

The winner is most likely the one that actually has things in stock to buy, not looking at anyone in particular…

Well what about the Fanatec Formula V2.5 in comparison to that Moza wheel? You still think the Moza wheel is the best?

The one reason that I wouldn't buy the moza or other cheap direct drive base is because I play on both PS4 Pro and PC. I need the console support

Have any of you been able to check the experience with Raceroom with R9?

did they already change the look of the csl dd slightly? the back and front of mine look different from yours RC. Mine has no holes on the front and no blue ring on the back Mine is more square as opposed to round like yours. Guess you got an early access version or something?

Simagic Alpha Mini is better than both of these guys.

I got the Moza R12 and wheel. Total was under $900 at my local Microcenter. If I was going with Fanatec, I would have to spend close to $1500. Super happy with my Moza R12

Fanatec is fine as us console players only have Fanatec to use for real DD. It amazes me that no other big name has taken console into consideration. I have recently preordered my Fanatec since no one else has announced any plans for console

These rivals for Fanatec and Thrustmaster need to start going after console licensing as well. I will only consider a setup that is multiplatform.

Why is this even a debate at this point? Base and feedback feeling is pretty much the same. But that is where it ends. Fanatec has a wider range of wheels, paddles and other accessories. Moza isn’t just there yet. No console compatibility, just a few wheels and one really worth buying. Give it a few years though and these comparisons will be a bit more fair on Moza imo.

I have the DD Pro, and am happy with it, BUT ... Fanatec's after-sales support is almost nonexistent. They have been riding high on the fact they had the market virtually to themselves. I'd have happily bought a Moza setup but for the fact they do not have a console version. Fanatec are in big trouble when a solution is found.

i got moza but id would like to get fanatech

The Moza needs to be tweaked out of the box with the software app. The default settings are not on point. It’s game changing when you find your comfort.

Love this video

Anybody has any idea if after 8 months still csl dd feels better than r9 in ACC?

Is the CSL-DD powerful enough for heavier Fanatec Podium wheels (for example Porsche Podium wheel)? I'm thinking about switching from Thrustmaster TS-PC but i would like to have more "premium" wheels :)

Will you compare the Logitech g pro to these two please

Before I bought my dd I was about to buy a moza until I saw the shipping cost....

Everyone complaining about MOZA not having console support. You do know once they have console support the price will be going up $100 roughly. It’s a pro and a con

If the only difference between the csl and ddpro ps compatability, then why does it cost $100 more for the dd pro?

I just bought the gt dd pro too. Moza looks really premium too. I’m new to sim racing.

your noise gate cuts you out a lot.

Moza has to come out with a more affordable open/GT wheel and D shaped wheel. Cut back on all the bells and whistles with the wheels and just give us the buttons. Also sell the R5 base separately. 950 CND$ for the the R5 bundle and the pedals aren't loadcell and the wheel isn't a gt style

I can't believe you changed the title. I guess Fanatec called...

Considering that the Fanatec DD works on console, specifically with GT7, I'll stick with Fanatec.

Who's the hard-thinking guy in the thumbnail🤔Looks like you a bit.

i used both wheel base , gt dd pro with F1v2.5 and Moza R9 with their GS wheel and i like the dd pro more due to the support over all title, not just SIM title, like simcade title , e.g. F1 games, FH series etc. in those title the fanatec perform way better than the moza due to lack of offical support the only thing that moza really destory fanatec is there QC system, which fanatec need to answer with their QR2 so i think it really depends on what you play most for my case, I play acc, ac and F1 games mainly, so the fanatec is a better choice for me

$ to $ consle =T248 PC to go Moza Just forget about F brand. They are still lock you into their rim cost. Think about it!

I love my csl DD and i am glad i chose Fanatec (I also have 2-4 day shipping because i live close to Hamburg where it gets shipped)

Fanatec’ s ecosystem is what gives it an advantage

Moza. For when Fanatec is out of stock 😂

Spoiler alert: they are all in trouble. The sim racing bubble is over.

as they have more affordable ecosystems Logitech realize they will be the next victim probably don't give a damn since they can still make a bag with their funny rgb keyboards and mouses

Yuge

fanatec still cant deliver ? haha .... i think they ruined their own business till bankrupcy so go for Moza, got my R9 ..... its awesome !

I don't think that a slightly better wheelbase is enough to beat fanatec here. Moza's steering wheels are few, expensive and not that appealing, a CSL DD + MclarenGT3 is cheaper than the Moza with the CS wheel and that's with the VAT excluded prices on their site. In my opinion the fanatec combo appeals to a much wider audience. Also the 99€ quick release from fanatec is absolutely useless until you have more than one steering wheel, I have been trashing my 8Nm DD with the plastic QR and have had 0 issues or weird noises. Congrats to Moza for making a better QR system and really good wheelbase but that alone is worth absolutely nothing if their price proposition is at best worse than Fanatec that spends millions advertising their stuff. BTW I'd love to see a video on different table mounting solutions, there's a huge community for it on some forums, and no proper reviews of the Clubsport clamp or compatibility of the R9 Clamp with fanatec wheels