Playing Modern Games on a Hard Drive (HDD) in 2024…

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Gaming on an old 7200RPM HDD isn't as bad as I thought, at least not with the selction of games I chose today.
0:00 Intro
0:59 Starfield
1:59 Cyberpunk 2077
2:45 Alan Wake 2
3:30 Baldur's Gate 3
4:44 Counter-Strike 2
5:28 Spider-Man
6:05 The Last of Us
6:40 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :)

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@cstubed 2 ай бұрын

RandomGaminginHDD 😄

@nkosanamakhubela2586 2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂Nice

@DanteToska 2 ай бұрын

😂😂 dude 😂😂😂 nice😂😂😂😂

@IlMemetor72 2 ай бұрын

Lmfao perfect 😂😂

@talysdarkthoughts552 2 ай бұрын

DIARRHEA GAMING

@nathanddrews 2 ай бұрын

Fun anecdote, back in like 1999 when playing Unreal Tournament I discovered that I could *halve* my map loading times and increase my frame rate by moving certain game assets from one drive to another, then modifying the INI files to point to the correct paths. It actually worked with almost all Unreal Engine games for about 10 years. Once SSDs went mainstream, I stopped doing it.

@tz8785 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like a manual RAID 0 with striping at file level.

@blunderingfool 2 ай бұрын

Okay that's seriously interesting, don't suppose you could give a mini-tut on that? I really want to know how that works. =D

@nathanddrews 2 ай бұрын

@@tz8785 Pretty much! My PC at the time had a couple hard drives. I already knew that storing files, applications, and Windows on separate drives increased overall snappiness and performance, so when I was poking around in the UT99 INI files to customize graphics settings, I noticed that game assets were stored in their own directories (textures, sounds, etc.) and referenced as root in the INI. It is honestly as simple as copying the directory you want (ex: Texture) to another drive, then changing the path in the INI from root to whatever drive you placed it in.

@joyphobic 2 ай бұрын

doubling the loading time doesn't sound good 😅

@DaveOJ 2 ай бұрын

They definitely meant halving. @@joyphobic

@nexalight599 2 ай бұрын

For starfield there's a mod that pretty much fixes the HDD issues called "disk cache enabler"

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Ah will have to try that!

@MrWayne6363 2 ай бұрын

Starfield is another story entirely. But, like Cyberpunk, I think it will improve with age.

@hbibbekir 2 ай бұрын

@@MrWayne6363 with community made mods not bethesda fixing it cuz they never do unlike cdpr

@gregdaweson4657 2 ай бұрын

I can play cyberpunk at Max settings on a wd caviar from 2009. People who say hdds are dead or irrelevant are either impatient, PeTuLaNt, or don't have enough ram.

@youtubeisgarbage900 2 ай бұрын

@@hbibbekircyberpunk still sucks quit defending it

@DaiAtlus79 2 ай бұрын

now for Baldur's Gate 3, there IS a section in the settings called 'Old HDD Mode' for if you use a spinning disc drive!!

@Mitsuoxx 2 ай бұрын

Yes and it works perfect! Awesome game

@DaiAtlus79 2 ай бұрын

@@Mitsuoxx that game is more optimized than people realize. its playing on the wifes rig - i7 2600 S, 16gb DDR3, and a 640sp RX550 4gb with a 4tb WD Blue HDD and its nice, mind you for speed it's running in 1366x768 but it flies at that speed!!!

@yewtewbstew547 2 ай бұрын

@@DaiAtlus79 I don't know how much it has improved with updates, but on launch day it was very well optimized in act 1, floundered a bit on the CPU side in parts of act 2, and then CPU performance dropped off a cliff in act 3. CPUs that were managing a consistent 100+ FPS in act 1 were being dropped into the 30's in act 3. It was never too bad on the GPU side afaik.

@DarkBowser64 2 ай бұрын

Indeed, this helps so much. It offloads your reliance on your storage media by storing frequently used data in RAM or VRAM that is not being used and making sure only to dismiss from RAM or VRAM that which is not often being used anymore if you should happen to change areas or something like that, so anything new that DOES have to load from discs is mostly just smaller files that don't take as long.

@09Cat800 2 ай бұрын

Came to say this exact thing

@NiCO-jo2vh 2 ай бұрын

HDD´s are still valuble. I can store so many games for emulation on it or multimedia files like music or movies. Still pretty good.

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Yeah perfect for storing lots of stuff for little money :)

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

Yeah also great for archiving your game library if you fill your SSD instead of needing to do a full download if you want to play again

@jtenorj 2 ай бұрын

@@shaneeslick This is especially nice if the speed of your internet connector is, shall we say, not great.

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

@@jtenorj Yeah even with reasonable internets, I have Optic Fiber to the house with Unlimited Data & reasonable DL speeds up to 50mbps ($59AUD Basic plan but could pay more for faster) down here in Australia, so amount of Data is no problem & speed is decent but even so it still can't compete with 150mbps+ from HDD.

@AntiGrieferGames 2 ай бұрын

Emulation is big Win for HDD

@rebelscum1925 2 ай бұрын

The reason spider-man runs so well on a HDD is because the game was originally designed for the PS4 which had a 500GB HDD

@nando3d491 2 ай бұрын

The same with TLOU Part I. The assets are new, but the game structure is still the same as on the PS3.

@TheJoe971 Ай бұрын

More specifically, a 5400rpm hdd. It's crazy that both Sony and MS didn't even go with a 7200rpm.

@xorxpert Ай бұрын

this doesn’t mean anything. if a game requires a SSD, it has bad performance and or not very efficient

@T0asty- Ай бұрын

@@TheJoe971"money" - Mr krabs

@PersonausdemAll Ай бұрын

Nice Jedi Knight picture

@yardnuk 2 ай бұрын

Oh sheesh, 3:35 is giving me flashbacks to running GTA V on 4GB of RAM lol

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Haha I’ve tried that too

@yardnuk 2 ай бұрын

@@RandomGaminginHD Do you reckon an SSHD would be better for gaming? Typically they only have a small amount of NAND flash (like 8GB or so), but I wonder if it would make a difference.

@Boogie_the_cat 2 ай бұрын

@@yardnukwell when games are more than 100gb I dunno if 8gb of NAND would help a lot.

@yardnuk 2 ай бұрын

@@Boogie_the_cat Fair point.

@TheSpotify95 2 ай бұрын

@@Boogie_the_cat when games are over 100GB, you need all the space you can get, hence anything that is not frequently played (at 100GB+) goes onto my WD Purple 6TB HDD. Not everything will fit on a 1TB or 2TB SSD, and of course prices have gone up since they dropped to their lowest (£35 for 1TB NVMe!).

@Stringypigeon 2 ай бұрын

Older/less intense games on the HDD, newer/intense perf games on m.2 NVME. HDDs still have a place in gaming, it just depends on what you are playing! Cyberpunk was the surprising one. It ran like a dream!

@TheSpotify95 2 ай бұрын

yeah for me it goes: OS: NVMe SSD High performance and regularly played: NVMe SSD (a separate one) High performance, not regularly played, not large: SATA SSD Regularly played, not high performance: SATA SSD Not regularly played, not high performance: WD Purple HDD Not regularly played, large: WD Purple HDD (regardless of performance or developer recommendations)

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

@@TheSpotify95 Yeah now I have a B550 with 2 M.2 I did similar... 128GB Gen3 M.2 OS, I like having OS seperate so if it crashes I don't lose everything 2TB Gen4 for newer & most played games 1TB HDD for GOG Retro Games & 3TB HDD Storage for archiving Games I am not currently playing, so If I do feel like it I can just transfer back to M.2 Library so much faster than redownloading.

@Stringypigeon 2 ай бұрын

@@shaneeslick same! I recently got another 1tb m.2 specifically for games in the second slot. Just the OS on the first one now. I think we've got a nice balance of it!

@hrayz 2 ай бұрын

That's how I'm setup too. My 2TB M.2 has the games that really need it. Everything else is on my games 8TB HDD.

@gnulectures 2 ай бұрын

Bit of a random comment, but I've watched this channel for quite a few years and I really like your simple style of editing, no loud background music, flashy text etc. Also idk any other tech KZfaqr who films out in their garden. Definitely adds a homely vibe to the content 👌

@DirranProductions 2 ай бұрын

It's why I stick around.

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

BudgetBuildsOfficial is another UK Tech Channel also films in his backyard

@DanteToska 2 ай бұрын

GreenHamGaming films outdoors sometimes

@gnulectures Ай бұрын

@@DanteToska oh yeah, he does! 😎

@hrishikesh4284 2 ай бұрын

You make the most calming videos lol

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Thanks 😁

@ej_tech 2 ай бұрын

Christopher Frost Photography is even more calm and also UK based, but for camera lenses.

@naamadossantossilva4736 2 ай бұрын

Calming?Those stutters are rage inducing.

@Adaminkton 2 ай бұрын

I still use a HDD for all my games from > 2018. And fun fact some very old games had mission info presented during loading, and the only way to see it now is to use an HDD as anything faster skips them.

@gnrtx-36969 Ай бұрын

True gta iv on my ps3 loaded way slower than my nvme lap and I really wanna listen to that loading music

@ultimate_miner64 Ай бұрын

@@gnrtx-36969 I installed IV on my HDD for this reason haha

@OutlawedPoet Ай бұрын

I keep my COD collection installed on my HDD since I'm an avid zombies player and those games take up a LOT of space with all of the DLC installed and aside from the initial loading screens, they all work flawlessly. I wouldn't keep a game I actively play installed on my HDD, but they're just irreplaceable for that bulk storage.

@DylRicho 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, this is one of the slowest HDDs on the market; even worse that it's heavily used. My WD Red Pro that I use for my games isn't limiting me at all. Seagate's obsession with SMR is what got me to switch from them.

@oz7586 2 ай бұрын

Might as well see the worst case scenario

@TheSpotify95 2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say a Seagate Barracuda is the slowest, it's 7200RPM instead of 5400RPM. I'd probably recommend a WD Red or Gold. Probably not the Black, because although it performs the best, it runs hot, and fails due to running hot. The Purple is OK but not the fastest, the Blue is probably OK for general storage, and the Green is a budget drive which I wouldn't use as a primary drive.

@DylRicho 2 ай бұрын

@@TheSpotify95 RPM doesn't mean much by itself. The tiny cache will dramatically affect performance. SMR also hinders performance and reliability. It's akin to companies like Kingston swapping out the memory controllers in their SSDs, but only doing it after reviews of the original products have given them favorable recommendations. Specifically, this drive is from 2011 and it's also used. You can't expect to fairly and accurately showcase hard drive performance in gaming on 13-year-old second-hand storage. It's a little disingenuous to those who might watch this and decide that a brand-new hard drive will perform equally poor. Things have improved a lot since 2011. I have a very similar drive (ST3500418AS) still in use with half as many hours on it, and it performs 1/5 of my WD Red Pro.

@DylRicho 2 ай бұрын

@@TheSpotify95 I wanted to add some test results from my three drives using the 64-bit version of CrystalDiskMark 8.0.4. The format of the data is as follows: - SEQ1M Q8T1 read / write - SEQ1M Q1T1 read / write - RND4K Q32T1 read / write - RND4K Q1T1 read / write 4 TB WD Red Pro, WD4003FFBX (25,253 hours) - 214.94 / 212.97 - 214.02 / 214.12 - 2.88 / 5.69 - 1.19 / 5.71 1 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14, ST1000DM003 (66,714 hours) - 176.66 / 170.43 - 175.07 / 173.27 - 2.06 / 1.84 - 0.68 / 1.47 500 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12, ST3500418AS (63,527 hours) - 41.82 / 41.5 - 41.84 / 41.52 - 0.71 / 1.41 - 0.67 / 1.4

@DylRicho 2 ай бұрын

@@TheSpotify95 Okay, I replied to you, but my comments are not showing.

@JDpewpew 2 ай бұрын

This is so niche and specific video idea 😂 I love it!

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Thanks 😁

@SonicTheHedgehogDXZ 2 ай бұрын

I ended up getting a 512GB SSD for those games that wont run well on my 3TB of HDD. Not ready to let then go yet specially with the rising prices of SSDs lately.

@strixgaming9463 Ай бұрын

Same here.

@UmiZoomR Ай бұрын

Maybe if you're outside EU but you dont need to buy every mint just saying

@05DonnieB Ай бұрын

You can buy 2TB SSD's for less than $100. Also, you can transfer data to an SSD

@darthpotwet2668 Ай бұрын

50 quid for 1tb ssd is pretty good

@sir.fender6034 2 ай бұрын

Great video. I still use HDD's often. I use a 4-bay NAS with 4 8tb HDD's and then I have attached 2x 1TB NVME's for read only high speed data caching over a 10 gigabit connection. When I play a game from Steam, the data contents will pull from HDD's into NVme for super fast load times. When data needs to be written back to the host, the data is then sent to the HDD's. I am experimenting with Live Access data streaming for all my server needs but I need better CPU's for threaded task.

@kian9108 2 ай бұрын

I mainly use my HDDs for storing roms for emulation and for games pre 2015. For example the batman arkham games run very well and has most loading screens hidden with animations. Also battlefield V because no matter how fast you load in you're still gonna have to wait for all other players to join. Good video!

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I run my GOG games off HDD, I download the DRM Free versions so I can play them on my XP PC + CRT

@danielkowalski7527 Ай бұрын

@@shaneeslick crt.... poor eyes....

@giga_bomber 5 күн бұрын

Great video. Just updated my pc and needed more storage so I decided to pick up a 4tb 7200rpm drive for installing my games and storing media. For $50, it's plenty of storage which helped with the budget.

@ErraticPT 2 ай бұрын

Surprisingly the only game I found to absolutely need (instead of just running better with) a SSD was Starbound. A game with block/pixilated graphics and otherwise could run on a potato of a PC, it appears the game streams all assets one by one and doesn't cache anything at all. This leads to constant stuttering on slow HDD and resulting framerates in single figures, switch to even a cheap SATA SSD and the game is buttery smooth on decade's old PCs.

@VitisCZ Ай бұрын

Old games usually used to use a big archive file or multiple big archives for the assets which made them being in one long sequential block of data on an HDD together with a HDD friendly data layout of the assets inside of the archive which really helped a lot since HDD is mostly fast when doing long sequential reads but with SSDs going mainstream they just stopped optimizing the game files since SSD doesn't suffer speed penalty due to data locality. Some pretty modern game that still do this optimization is for example capcom games like monster hunter world where you got a "chunk" folder that has the archives with game assets and the biggest one is 42GB in a single file.

@normanchiu847 2 ай бұрын

Hopefully you can do this test again on a more recent hdd. I know hdds from 10 plus years ago only reach 70mbs to 100mbs transfer rate but more recent hdds can reach speeds od 250mbs nowdays. Thanks for all the videos its always fun to watch these.

@GrabASpriteB 2 ай бұрын

I have a 256gb SSD boot drive and for games that need it, but everything else runs on a relatively recent 2tb Seagate Barracuda. It was like $60 shipped and much cheaper than SSDs at the time. They're not terrible and work pretty well for everything but the specific games that need them. But for most of my games, videos, photos, and my cluttered downloads folder, it works fine and I only end up waiting a few more seconds if that in FPS games. Singleplayer games do take a little bit to load but the key is not to die and have to restart the level.

@camjohnson2004 Ай бұрын

Love your videos. First off if the HDD you showed in the B roll is the HDD you used for these tests you're off to a bad start. That drive has a max speed of around 132MB/s (i have the exact same one as a backup drive i use before wiping a customers PC if it needs a format). If you were going to use a HDD in 2024 i'd recommend at least a Ironwolf drive or better, these drives have a max transfer speed of between 210 and 250MB/s with lower access times than the model you have shown. I have multiple Ironwolf drives in my NAS in RAID and they are quite capable of transfer speeds of 500MB/s in this config, That said, even a Crucial BX series drive with no DRAM cache is better than even the best single HDD

@saadhero9107 Ай бұрын

Great video! I was hoping you would use crystal disk to showcase the speed of the drive. I tend to throw more simpler games on an HDD

@JamesSmith-sw3nk 2 ай бұрын

Good video. Do a follow up video with a VelociRaptor 10 000rpm sata drive that has a large heat sink on it.

@dinglebop9998 2 ай бұрын

The first time i played BG3 was on a HDD. Most of the intro/tutorial was fine, but that cutscene where the ship crashes had my character T-posing in the most dramatic background of the fall down to the ground

@Lonewanderer30 Ай бұрын

You're using an ancient HD, that's really skewing the results. The larger drives are so dense they achieve read speeds of 250 to 300 MB's a second.

@intellex551 2 ай бұрын

The company I work for has a ton of old 5400rpm laptops. I keep telling them that just cloning them to super cheap SSDs would make the experience so much better ( we all use an rds server) but they seem to want to pointlessly upgrade everything.

@fajaradi1223 2 ай бұрын

Looks like ... Somebody is getting kickback from all those purchase orders.

@AnonymousKev 3 күн бұрын

They sound smart. Good thing your not in charge.

@bigeststarspark 2 ай бұрын

I currently play baldurs gate 3 on hdd - yes it takes some time to load the textures, but then it's completely fine and playeble

@xdizzle0460 8 күн бұрын

I still have my hdds from 2015-2018. Ive always just added drives and never taken any away. Never had a single problem.

@NitrousXProductions Ай бұрын

Main issue that HDDs face is the shaders to be loaded into memory. It takes awhile to load in. But once they are loaded in most cases they will run ok. I run most of my library on SSDs. But for cold storage I'll move my older titles I don't play on to HDDs.

@micksterminator3 Ай бұрын

I upgraded from my x58 build to a 10 series i7. It only came with a 512gb nvme ssd so I bought a WD 3tb refurbished external HDD directly from them. It performs great with what I've tried. Def gonna invest in a 2tb nvme ssd in the future.

@2handsome398 Ай бұрын

I use a 1tb SSD paired with a 5tb hdd. SSD for the OS and modern games, hdd for storage and emulated games. A modern hard drive is more than fast enough for disc based consoles like GameCube or even PS3 since that thing was limited to Sata 1 speeds.

@ghostnike901 2 ай бұрын

I got an HDD as 1 0f 6 storage drives. Mostly for media but It does fine for emulated games too. I have had 2 fail on me but they lasted through years of use and abuse. Wouldn't recommend buying one these days unless you're building a system for someone you hate lol.

@sannyassi73 2 ай бұрын

I've still got a couple old HDDs in my rig, a 1TB and a 2TB, though I use them less and less, they're just so slow, my 3TB of SSD is where everything goes anymore- it's surprising we could ever put up with these slow hard drives! I do love collecting them- the discs inside are very pretty, love the polished chrome discs- I use them for a few things and it's always fun to wonder, what information is my model car sitting on? That's mainly what I use them for, display bottoms for trinkets I want to show off.

@JaiLeeroy 2 ай бұрын

I think it comes down to the cache of the hard drives. Really can blur the line between ssd and hdd. Especially hybrid drives which I believe are still cheaper than ssd

@Mobedan 2 ай бұрын

I had same texture and sound delay bugs in Alan Wake 2 with game installed on SSD. This game is just broken sometimes.

@TheLastLineLive 2 ай бұрын

I only use nvme SSDs nowadays, but I do have an 8tb external hdd that my emulation stuff is tied to as well as my movies and shows and such, it does the job well with that.

@Aips. Ай бұрын

I am one of the owners of a slow HDD. In Helldivers 2 when I first land on a mission all the partners and my character are just flying guns. And the dude standing by the galaxy map is usually just a flying head.

@aku2dimensional 2 ай бұрын

I used to run a WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB in an old office machine, most games I played weren't very demanding, but they did have long loading times and stutters. I had grown tired of waiting for Fallout 4 to load both vanilla and modded games so I switched to a Crucial MX500 1TB and I kept my old drive for storage. It was a large improvement, although using an HDD wasn't a bad experience for me overall. I used that MX500 for a couple more years until F4 had over 350GB of mods on top of my other games and upgraded to a WD Black SN850X 2TB. There wasn't much improvement between 6GB/s Sata and NVMe Gen 3 but guess I'm one of the cool kids now.

@EastAngliaUK 2 ай бұрын

these are still good for putting videos and films on or back ups.

@mrb6094 2 ай бұрын

There used to be a thing called "short stroking" for hard drives. Storing data in specific areas of the disc for faster access.

@SOREI Ай бұрын

I was gaming on a 7200RPM drive for years up until last year lol, complete breath of fresh air. I was even using that 7200RPM with my old RTX 2070/R5 3600 build. I'm now using an NVMe with my RTX 4070/R5 5600 build. The loading times are insane and I'm baffled as to why I never upgraded to an NVMe in the past. I've always had my OS on a SATA SSD though.

@sitordan 2 ай бұрын

My main gaming drive is an HDD (2TB Seagate) and I play them games without problems. Only a couple of titles are installed on a SATA SSD. I use my nvme drive for system and applications.

@diegoescalante4503 Ай бұрын

Quite funny to think now we making hhd tests when ive been using a laptop hdd that i had laying around as my extra storage and never encontered many issues

@Sunlight91 2 ай бұрын

I'm now using SSDs for 10 years. My first one, the MX100 256GB is still the Windows 10 boot drive which I occasionally use. Mostly though I have become a Linux user since W11 was released.

@berserkfury101 Ай бұрын

One major caveat with Cyberpunk re HDD mode it dramatically reduce crowd sizes if you notice the streets in the video were essentially empty.

@orosztamas1158 Ай бұрын

besides the point but can you share settings+resolution for cp2077? have the same pc :)

@RobertT1999 Ай бұрын

Crazy timing on this video for me. It was only last night where I told my friends that I probably won't buy Helldivers 2 as it recommends it to be installed on an SSD. I had experience with Tekken 8 being on a HDD until I eventually moved it over to my SSD due to long loading times as well as massive audio desync issues related to cutscenes slowing down (it was so bad that if I paused the cutscene after it finally loaded in the next part of the game, I could watch the cutscene catch up to the audio in the background). But since then and me noticing the recent trend of an SSD being part of the recommended specs, I've realised I need to heavily invest into replacing my HDDs with SSDs because my boot SSD is not comfortably large enough.

@mapesdhs597 2 ай бұрын

Although it won't make anywhere near as much of a difference vs. using an SSD instead, getting hold of old cheap Enterprise drives can give a nice speed bump over the typical 7200rpm consumer models like the Barracuda. The Hitachi HUS and Seagate ES.3 can be especially cheap, both 2TB and 4TB. One can sometimes nab them new/unused for cheap aswell. Handy for bulk storage for sure. Or if you want to be a little adventurous, there's 10K/15K SAS for better access times (HBAs are cheap). However, the speed gain from an SSD is definitely worth it if one can stretch to a relevant product (in the UK I'd probably go for the WD SN580).

@davidk5586 2 ай бұрын

I store on the SSD some of the games which I play often, the others are sitting on a 7200rpm HDD. 🤘

@theSHOK5555 2 ай бұрын

Can you test new games on SATA SSDs? I'm curious to see if there's a difference between them and NVMe drives

@douglasbarr213 2 ай бұрын

I am currently running an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X with a Radeon RX6700XT and a 1tb Boot NVMEx4 drive but my game storage is a 2tb Toshiba 7200 HDD with 128mb. Cache and I have not noticed any artifacting or glitches with any of the games I play. Having said that I do not have access to Cyberpunk nor any of the ones you experience the glitches with. I do have HALO Infinite and it loads and plays well also Final Fantasy 7and all the remastered Halo games, The Witcher (not the updated vers) Shadow of the Tomb Raider and several older titles all of which have no problems.

@Monarchias 2 ай бұрын

I hope we get a Part 2 of this video. As these days everyone is going for an nvme drive, there is a probability that 2 or 4 or even 6 sata connections are free. What if we use more than 1 HDD in a similar scenario? How better a raid0, raid1, etc drives would perform in these same games? We should expect a better performance, isn't it? But how better that would be? And as the market flooded with even sata2 drives, how different it would be with sata3 and sata2 raid volumes? Please, make a Part2 with these specs. Greetings to you.

@Xyzex 2 ай бұрын

My 2018 laptop is probably one of the last gens of laptop that uses HDD as standard issue internal storage device. And I did played Cyberpunk 2077 there.

@certs743 2 ай бұрын

Interesting. I have been using a combination of an SSD for my OS and a large capacity HDD for games and files on my PC. The HDD is an industrial class one so that might impact things too. So far I have had no real issues that I can trace back to the HDD. Also running Linux so I don't know for sure if that matters either.

@DeathBaseTURBO 2 ай бұрын

I can't recall, Did you do a video about ratchet and clank rift apart on a hard drive, using directstorage to speed up the load times

@jhopkins1515 2 ай бұрын

I have also noticed that SSD prices are starting to go up. 6 months ago I purchased one 1 TB 2.5 drive for $35.2 2 TB NVMEs for 65 each. Today the cheapest I can find used is nearly 50 for onetb and $100 for 2tb

@UmiZoomR Ай бұрын

Seems cheap enough

@pcracinggames Ай бұрын

6:13 "go on, i'll pretend i don't see you"

@DennyT123 Ай бұрын

I use Primocache to cache an HDD to a small partition on a SATA SSD. It works well with games.

@GroetenUitNederland 2 ай бұрын

Lots of manufacturers(MF's) increased their orders for chips during COVID-19 from TSMC and other chip makers. Since these orders have to be made well in advance. A lot of MF's had to many chips left after COVID-19. They sold less products then during COVID-19. So untill last Black Friday prices where low. After prices went up because most overstock from chip orders where used. This is especially the case for SSD's and RAM stick. Which mostly consist of chips

@TheSpotify95 2 ай бұрын

Not bad - personally I would go for an SSD for the OS + programs and a HDD for everything else if I was building/speccing a PC to sell on. Of course, if the customer/user wants more SSDs, they can have them. But for me, SSD+HDD combo should still be fine. Most games that tend to have problems, either have a HDD Mode, or community fixes that enable some sort of HDD Mode.

@m3gAnac0nda 2 ай бұрын

Amazing content

@agak229 Ай бұрын

I actually played through baldurs gate 3 on similar tier hdd and that was the breaking point for me to permanently move to ssd

@guidobyfredo Ай бұрын

I installed valorant on 320GB 2.5 laptop HD and when it finishes loading its already 1 minute into game.

@bambuskaffee9768 2 ай бұрын

In the early days of ps4 i made an upgrade to an sshd with 8gb flash and 1tb hdd. Wonder how the sshd will perform on modern games.

@baggiesjoe1608 2 ай бұрын

I used to buy sky boxes for £5/£10and take out the seagate 500gb/1tb hard drives back in the day a lot cheaper than buying a hard drive 😅

@GeisemoOUTATIME Ай бұрын

in cyberpunk the roads arent the only thing missing on my side, sometimes the whole city and i end up falling through the map, landing on water, making me load a save and taking 20 min to load, yea next paycheck the first thing to buy will be an m2 ssd

@ThisisCitrus 2 ай бұрын

I played all of BG3 on a 7200 HDD and it wasn't nearly that bad, load times were minutes long but once it did the assets were all loaded in. It does have an HDD mode though.

@danielkowalski7527 Ай бұрын

why hdd/sdd modes are diffrent? ssd = for low ram systems? or what?

@reinn-df2ti Ай бұрын

I dont understand either....why there are two options there in the setting, is hdd mode reduce assets to be loaded or what@@danielkowalski7527

@endorfun22 2 ай бұрын

I know liking to poke fun and have a giggle on such things, so many examples, time and time again. Question being why not do it properly with a 5400 drive. Considering so many prebuilt systems you got screwed with 2 drives, 1 drive being SSD and that being fine, however the other being a 5400 drive.

@Poorgeniu5 2 ай бұрын

I run x2 1TB HDD 7200RPM in RAID 0 that I used to save and run games from there, the load time is not dreadful like normal HDD but I wouldn't say its as fast as SSD. However now I mainly use it for my infrequent & mostly old games I play or to shuffle my games around between my SSD (especially for Helldivers 2 and newer games).

@NoName5589 Ай бұрын

Those older HDDs are pretty hard to recommend however I'd love to see the same tests done on a hybrid HDD. I don't have any of the other games but my WD black with 256MB cache loads BG as fast as my buddy's SSD and other games like War Thunder have me load in just as fast as the rest of the lobby Cached HDDs are in my opinion the current meta for cheap and fast bulk storage

@infinity2z3r07 2 ай бұрын

Do frame caps have any effect on the worst scenarios like Starfield and Baldur's Gate?

@fattomandeibu 2 ай бұрын

As a bloke who started gaming on computers when floppy disk drives were still out of the price range of most gamers, this kinda just makes me think "what next?" rather than if a hard disk is still viable. So far I've went from cassette tapes(you got about 130kb per side of a C60 cassette) and cartridges(cartridge games had no load times at all, worked exactly as they would in say, a Super Nintendo, but were typically expensive and had limited capacity, typically 16kb max, so would be fairly simple when compared to a cassette game) to floppy disk, to hard disk, to optical disc, back to hard disk and now SSDs.

@Sunlight91 2 ай бұрын

I don't think a new storage technology will come to consumers any time soon. Beating NAND flash memory economically is very hard. It's the main reason why Intels Optane failed even though it had much better endurance and latency.

@fattomandeibu 2 ай бұрын

@@Sunlight91 Look how long we were using hard disks for. If you don't count the short time('94-'98 approx.) optical drives where used for a bit when the hard disk capacities couldn't quite keep up with how big games were. It was well over 20 years. Not saying new improvements will happen tomorrow, or even a couple of years, it just makes me wonder what it will be. I mean, if I think back to my first 2 computers, the OS on those were kept in ROM(for those not young enough, Read Only Memory is effectively read-only RAM, you didn't even need to load the OS, they could just be directly mapped into the CPU's memory address space for instant access) and wonder if maybe some advancement of that sort could be implemented. Star Trek stuff at the moment, but who knows, maybe they'll work out non-volatile RAM before I'm dead. Unlikely, but it doesn't hurt anyone to think about it.

@shaneeslick 2 ай бұрын

G'day @fattomandeibu I'm a '71 model, Ah yeah I remember "The Good Old Days Too" 😂 We now have RAM Sticks with more storage than the PC & Games that took forever to load but now are so small in size if you blink/sneeze 🤧you miss seeing them download/load

@carl8790 2 ай бұрын

@@fattomandeibu In-compute-memory seems promising, but it's still at research stage. Problem is if we do get non volatile memory at RAM speeds, which RAM speed specifically? Faster SDRAM will always be around the corner to widen that gap even more.

@fattomandeibu 2 ай бұрын

@@carl8790 That's always been the case. In fact, since the late '80s one of the biggest bottlenecks in computing is the disconnect between RAM and CPU speed, hence why CPU cache was made and why we got things like slot CPUs until they worked out how to put the cache into the CPU die itself. If it does happen, it'll likely be slower than your system RAM, but still fast enough to be usable. I'm no expert, though, hence my "Star Trek stuff" comment.

@gamerdudegamerdude4961 Ай бұрын

New/todays HDDs are pretty fast compared to 5 or 10 years old ones, should've used newer HDDs for testing.

@kimsoderholm9101 18 күн бұрын

I play ratchet and clank rift apart and horizon forbidden west on my 5500 rpm apple laptop hdd and i am super suprised coming from an nvme that even the first jumping through dimensions isnt taking more than maybe 3 seconds more to load the first time, the 2nd time around it loads instant just like the nvme so a 2nd playthrouh is even better on an hdd when all shaders are compiled and so on

@bajgen 2 ай бұрын

i am still used to my Seagate 3TB Barracuda XT harddrive (ST33000651AS), although i might have to cop another another SSD. As i have one slot for it left.

@MarshallRawR 2 ай бұрын

0:14 Legend says he's still spinning while getting that b-roll

@frankshaw2057 2 ай бұрын

A modern laptop 2.5 HDD run in a desktop with its digital cache actually would probably do fairly well. I don't recommend them but they run quite a bit better than some old clunker HDD's.

@DumbleDank1337 2 ай бұрын

i still have a spinny boy in my system although i only use it to store games i am not currently playing but want access to so when i do come to play them i can just move it to my m.2, my internet is kinda ass so it helps, would i run games off it? probably not i like the quick m.2 load times but the spinny boy still has a place in some systems

@ridiculogan2962 Ай бұрын

lol i have a 2tb hdd that i use to store all my small/indie games on and sometimes ill throw a bigger game in there and the difference between that and my 1tb nvme ssd is hilarious, depending on the game. the hdd works surprisingly well with some games, like elden ring and fallout 4 notably. almost no difference, loading screens might be a couple seconds longer if anything. in fact i dont think ive played anything with a minute+ loading screen, ive even tried starfield and cyberpunk on it and the loading screens were always under a minute. maybe i just have a really good hdd? its a WD_BLACK p10 usb hdd, doesnt seem like anything special

@ahmadzahid266 Ай бұрын

I have an old pc but still keeping up on modern games, most games stored on hdd and it’s working fine with acceptable loading time, not sure if because I’m playing at 1080p so isn’t requiring high quality texture models but the only game I played on ssd is Alan wake 2, the loading screen takes forever and also have sounds delay and slow rendering of models, but other games is working fine on hdd like resident evil 4 remake and cs2

@ThomasPerl 2 ай бұрын

Star Citizen is really something else when you are on a hard drive i have heard. It's not always easy with a good spec'd PC but on a lower end PC with 16GB (or less) slow RAM an aging CPU and a hard disk you more than quadruple every possible wierd bug and glitch you can get.

@cxlciummmiv Ай бұрын

My almost 5 year old 1TB HDD has died. I never had an ssd and let me tell you, after getting a nv2 one it feels like magic. Though rn my pc’s screen randomly goes black and the fans spin really fast and the pc won’t boot into windows no more. Any thoughts on why this is happening? I’m suspecting that my gpu might be dying aswell.

@TheSpotify95 2 ай бұрын

CS2 was the successor to CS GO and CS GO was released back when hard drives were commonplace. Personally, the storage device I use depends on the size of the game, and how often I'm going to play it: anything that I'm not going to play often and is also large in size (definitely over 100GB) is automatically relegated to the WD Purple (a HDD), regardless of the developer recommendations. Though the WD Purple is 6TB and cost just over £60 (used from CeX), which isn't that bad.

@CuteSkyler 2 ай бұрын

I've never had any problems with HDD's, the only time I can recall having loading issues was with GTAV, not even the hitboxes would load in, but I was also streaming during it so my PC was under full load.

@kaizerlock8287 2 ай бұрын

If it's your first time buying NVMe SSDs, recommend buying the PCIe 3.0 like *Intel 670p*. Sure, you lose some speed, but it was negligible for you to notice it. And since it's run at slower speed, it didn't get as hot as PCIe4.0 SSDs, thus prolonging it's life.

@MCMonsterbuilder 2 ай бұрын

I ran HDD's for way too long and the worst thing were the download speeds of games not necessarily the download itself but the decoding and checkign of files that all modern launchers do during/after a download took so long. I then upgraded to to HDD's in Raid 0 for my game drive and it helped but now I am on full NVMe SSD's for my personal rigs and in all the budget build I do to sell I do not put a HDD in anymore only sata ssd's.

@RandomGaminginHD 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I noticed that verifying files took ages for epic game downloads. Painfully slow

@MEMOCRAFT22 2 ай бұрын

Since I live in a country where reputable SSD brands are expensive i went with the more affordable HDDs so I still use them until now. I can get so many for such money so I was able to get four of them around 2 TB and put them all in RAID configuration to get faster R/W speeds. HDDs are still relevant for basic storage :)

@Vanny_Dorito 2 ай бұрын

would have been interesting to see how it handles Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart with the portals.

@soniablanche5672 2 ай бұрын

hdd doesn't actually affect FPS, only loading time which is why you can get (micro)stutters when the game loads stuff, although I think a lot of these stutters could be fixed by pre-loading some stuff in the RAM but whatever

@railfanningstuff8333 Ай бұрын

I do have a large portion of my steam games on 4 quad WD blue at 7200RPM 2TB each in raid 0 for 8 TB total and I have no problems on any modern titles

@fajarn7052 2 ай бұрын

I have all my Steam Library on HDD though, only the outlier with painful loading times that I would allocate precious space of my SSD, so far only Star Citizen is in that category. Even with BG3, CP2077, and CS2. It works just fine. And it seems even with SSD, there is little to no difference between NVMe and SATA SSD which is cheaper.

@Prof.Pwnalot 19 күн бұрын

I still use 3 HDD's. Still working for 10+ years. My rig became outdated, before the HDD's have. Put it that way. Nothing wrong with slower load times, for extra, cheaper storage

@Carstuff111 2 ай бұрын

I ran Cyberpunk 2077 on a 7,200 RPM Western Digital Black 500GB drive when I first got the game 2 months after release. It ran horribly, as in it wasn't just missing assets, but I got low frame rates too. A friend gave me a 1TB NVME SSD as he had just upgraded to a new one, I put Cyberpunk 2077 on there and it nearly doubled my frame rates.

@trackingdifbeatsaber8203 Ай бұрын

Was windows on a ssd? Had a system awhile back and i got an SSD and reinstallled windows on it. Games running of the hard drive where slower at. Loading and sometiems stutterd but most games when the os was on tbr same drive where dire. Specs where gtx 1050 ti r3 1200 1 x 8gb ddr4. On my current setup r9 5900x + rx 7800 XT something like ark survival ascended is unplayable imo on a HDD due to stuters like starfiled especially when flying

@predragignjatovic6361 2 ай бұрын

Can you make 1080p locked 30fps build, for console like experience? I want to make it too for nostalgia, but i am qurious to see what components you would pick.

@MUSiCK9 2 ай бұрын

I always use my HDDs for less demanding games or older games like Borderlands, Half-Life or Yakuza series. Besides that I always use them for storing things like Music

@SL4PSH0CK 2 ай бұрын

You know, cyberpunk was the game that finally made me go SSD in addition with Win 10. you see t low poly and white wash render textures were due to slow HDD and not a bug which internet miscalled

@masiosareanivdelarev562 2 ай бұрын

Interesting video.

@SiggyPony 2 ай бұрын

I was using a HD for my games up until now 😅 I just built a new computer for Horizon Forbidden West. It's funny going from 550mb/sec to over 5000mb/sec I played all of Horizon Zero Dawn on a HD and I don't notice much difference now in the NVME drive. I never tried probably any of the games your trying, I'm glad I didn't lol that said it would have been my CPU causing the most issues

@kasyanchik Ай бұрын

hey there! it so happens that I’ve a question you can help me with and I’d be glad if you could answer I have recently just updated a PC for Horizon FW as a target experience (this was my gf’s bidding basically lol), but the PC still uses 4Tb 5400 HDD (WD Purple) to run games from (with 240 Gb SATA SSD for boot), and I’m trying to persuade her to get an NVMe (her MSI B460M PRO has a lonely M2 slot just for that) for faster loading, so my question is this: if you haven’t experienced much difference with playing Horizon ZD on HDD, would Horizon FW feel the same, or should I really go through with an NVMe?

@SiggyPony Ай бұрын

@@kasyanchik I found Zero Dawn quite playable from a HD, I wasnt bothered by the loading times. I've been playing Forbidden West from the NVME Its definately fast if not instant on the NVME. I think a good apprach might be to install it on your HD and see what the load times are like. If its very annoying / to slow etc, then look at getting an NVME :) trying to from HD wont hurt. I suspect it might be more then playable off an HD.

@kasyanchik Ай бұрын

@@SiggyPony thanks a lot for the reply! tried Forbidden West today for a little bit, loading times do seem a bit long, but manageable I’d say, so I’ll have to find another way to coerce my gf into an NVMe investment, she just doesn’t realize how much she needs it (and will need it as more games rely on SSD more these days) someday I might even try to get it and install it without her knowing, just to see if she notices that the loading speeds are 4x faster 😁😁