Yeah 💯 I can see why he seemed mad about John in chapter 1 and 2 especially Abigail asking Arthur to rescue John in prologue and Abigail knew how hurt Arthur is inside still about John leaving the gang. ❤😢😢I know rdr1 came out in 2010 I feel if they remake the game they properly would add more dialogues for John talking about Arthur ❤❤❤

He was also mad at John for leaving bc Arthur once had a family of his own, and it wasn’t his own choice to lose his family. So he doesn’t want John to ruin the opportunity he never really had.

Hoseas death hurt Dutch the most

I wish that bond was shown more in the game

John went to prison rescued by Arthur duch is mad so duch hates John

I found their conversation about Arthurs impending death so wholesome. When they go to save Eagle Flies and Charles says that knowing your going to die is a gift in a way. And that he should try to right his wrongs before he passes.

@@carterss8019 I agree. That game is so well written

Charles is a beast. Can’t think of a better character to get his own game.

@@braxinIVI absolutely agree! We need a rdr3 with Charles!

A few issues with a Charles game is they’ll ether have to try to work around the honor system for Charles or get rid of it since he doesn’t seem like a heartless monster who kills people. Also what would his game even be about? His back story seems the only logical answer as I doubt anything special could or did happen in Canada during the early 1900s, idk much about history but I don’t know if Canada got involved with WW1.

Arthur was more like Hosea than anything ❤❤❤❤

Fun Fact: Hosea and Lenny's voice actors participation in the high honor "may I stand unshaken" song

HE SAID THE THING!!1!!

already sadly Arthur wouldn't be proud of jhon maybe Dutch would be proud of jhon mhhh I don't know 

@@ArciereNero. he will never be proud of Dutch, he became a ruthless criminal that kills for "sport", exactly what Dutch told them to not be

Yeah he’s still more likable than strauss lol 😂

"W-well he must be a rat then." - 🤓

where is it

@@meliozdemir there is a tutorial on youtube

I accidentally found his secret family while I was hiding from the police 😂

Fr I think that Charles is the representation for max high honor

I agree

I today found out people don’t like him bc they found him killin that poacher, “edgy”.

Agreed

@@GDKF0238 they verbally called him racial slurs but he didn’t even care, the reason he killed them was cuz they were poachers. He’s absolutely a chad. I too recently found out people didn’t like him 💀 I thought he was one the characters who were impossible to hate.

dude Peter Blomquist had like an existential crisis after playing the ending

@@joelbyjack I know

Love him or hate him he is one of the most badass character

Peter Blomqvist did such a good job

He killed clan tho I f u c k ing hate him

I think he kinda fulfilled Arthur’s wish to keep the family safe

I agree

He is a Jester in the Outlaw King's court.

I love uncle aswell he's my favorite parasite no wait ringworms my favorite parasite he's my secound favorite parasite crap I lied ringworm then rats with the plauge then him

Until he got nerfed by lumbago

It's even better when you consider that scene was performance capture, I remember somewhere the actor saying how he didn't believe Javier would actually turn on Arthur

@Yo mama so slow, took her 9 months to make a joke not immediately, which is better than the rest

​@yourmother3819but then he points at the sky , he does that for a brief moment

@@aminepro8978 after the cutscene if you look closely you can see him pointing his gun straight on arthur and john

Yep! And she still didn't sell out the gang to the pinkertons..

Dutch was using her just like everyone else 😢😢

Still no need to be an arrogant b*tch to the others

Molly was a lazy swine but given where she was from before the gang it's easy to understand, she only joined out of love for Dutch and he used and abused her until she was murdered as a direct result of his coldness towards her.

@@lermberl what do you mean by "where she was before she met the gang"?

Yea him and Arthur should’ve went their own way

Yeah or they shouldn’t kept Micah for long in the gang too

@@darlingxluxii7977 I think Hosea would notice that Micah is a rat, he's pretty much the smartest gang member

After he died Micah started sitting in his ear

@@sgt.mittens2451 hell naw plus that doesn't make sense

It also can happen with Arthur

It can happen with Arthur and it also does not have a blip on the map, you just find and hear it or don’t

Interesting 🤔 I’m sure we would have seen notes involving Micah communication with Colm or something

But that wouldn't be necessary for Micah colm and Dutch always fight over scores or whatever so spending time making both of them fight eachother wouldn't work and since Micah is always with Dutch colm would of shot him on sight

​@@zmpjacksoncomics2077 I think micah was more worried about Arthur at that point. He wanted Arthur's spot in the gang and he himself couldn't kill him because, well I doubt he even could take a healthy Arthur, but also because the gang would out and kill him. If he sold Arthur to Colm I'm sure the deal would be no shooting each other while they get the jump on Arthur who's position Micah leaked.

That makes the art of him a lot more interesting than. The way he points the guns both sides could be a metaphor for how he's playing against both sides

He literally kills a fuck ton of them, he literally shot one in the face right after Arthur rescued him from jail.

What was the offhand dialogue and when did it occur?

I don’t think they had alcohol anonymous (AA) meetings back in 1899

​@@Yazzieeee Tilly's letter to John in epilogue

She could be alive. That would be a huge plot twist. I think I’ve seen a video showing dialogue between two men at the saloon talking about a blonde woman. Even though there’s no evidence to support it, I still would think that it would be cool to see her.

@@CrowBandit You can find her grave somewhere.

Yeah she is my favorite overall. Charles and Arthur are right there, but the thing I like about her is that she cleaned herself up and used the pain and anguish to help the gang while as mentioned avenging her husband’s death. She was wild yes, but you cant say she never got the job done. She was loyal to the end to Arthur and the Marstons.

The main problem with Sadie though is that she gets a happy ending when literally nobody else from the main gang does (Besides Charles who was morally the best). Pretty much everyone else dies violently but Sadie, whose entire arc the main game was about revenge, literally “a fools game”, gets to ride off into the sunset for some reason.

@@ArjunB5 maybe she was just that good lol

@@morethanmeetstheeye0 that makes no sense it goes completely against the message and themes of the series

@@ArjunB5 I don’t see why it matters that much

He wanted to see the downfall of the gang 😭

Bro killed the camp dog 😭😭😭

not for Arthur as Arthur was already sick he would have died anyways

you forgot yourself

@@Red_Morgston I already wrote it.

Are you on about Mickey the 'homeless vet' in Valentine? Its a cute moment when they hug but im pretty sure mickey pickpockets you during that moment

@@jenn_404I hugged him and lost no money, I think he just genuinely wanted a hug LMAO

In his third interaction he asks for a buck, but he doesn't steal it when you hug him.

@@NaraNom he doesn't steal money but he steals stuff like a rings, jewels and pocket watches, you don't notice unless you're paying attention to what inventory you have

He killed a dog bro

Me when I cap for no reason

Bro that’s just not true, he murdered a dog and also literally murdered a small child, that’s why Cleet was banished from Micah’s presence, cause he tried to stop Micah from murdering a child

How about killing his friends for some guns or needlessly killing his cell mate

​@@gottiesttyrant5528 He was an O'DRISCOLL

I love Charles for his temper, like when he throws Micah to the ground for his racism in a fit of rage, or when he starts getting quite mad with Eagle Flies for not listening to his father.

😂

i mean they’re poachers. they were being racist and killing those bison (which are very important to charles) for no reason. he had a reason to be mad.

The thing is sadie was fueld by revenge which goes against the story entirely. Kinda boring as that's all she is as a character as well

It was a very old poster though, which only has a $500 reward. Arthur's bounty is $5k so surely Dutch's bounty is higher than Arthur's.

​@@imlivingunderyourbed7845wait a sec... Micah could've been out to destroy the gang so he could claim all the bounty money...

😂 that's kinda 😎

It’s been 8 years so it’s very likely they spent all of it throughout the years

​@@admilzno way they spent all my 20k$ like that

@@AhmedEx1. I wouldn’t know, I always do the Aberdeen family trick so I can switch all my money over to John 😂 now I got $42k

​@@admilzAbigail mentioned how she was tired of how they had to keep relocating so maybe they had another Blackwater moment where they had to run and leave their money behind.

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She had her life ripped apart and only wanted revenge on the people who did it to her. She was the only member of the gang I remember who wasn't "bad" just to be bad. Everyone else's motivation was just to be rich. Sadie wasn't concerned with that. She just wanted to right the wrongs done to her. I think her surviving makes sense.

But didn't Sadie describe herself as "a monster"? It's not like she got off scott free. She's ruined in a sense, completely different from what she was probably like before. You can die/change in more ways than just physically.

Jack got his revenge for his father in the end and didnt get punish for that.

@@frcdstcr so that lets her take what she pleases, kill whom she pleases and hang the rest of us? who made her the messiah to these lost souls on the internet she has led so horribly astray?

Doesn't help that Sadie is also a walking cliche of how every modern woman is portrayed nowadays

True and as much as I understand Arthur’s decision to kick him out, people like Micah who was in the group made Strauss look like a saint.

@@lukefitton7329 Damn right, Strauss isnt evil, he is a little selfish but not as much as Micah.

Hmm. I sense a bias lmao

@@lukefitton7329 half the gang members murder and rob people. Strauss just lends money to people who he knows wont be able to pay him back so the gang makes profit is not an evil thing in this world

Agreed he was just like the rest in fact more outside the circle but still contributed with the gang even if he like he didn’t belong. In addition he kept his mouth closed after being kicked embarrassingly in front on everyone. This moment even made me hate Arthur thinking he could judge wrongs in gang of outlaws😂 like this is the point

oh ffs... i give up with the rdr2 community... its all the same and a never ending cycle

like the way this youtuber explains arthurs arc just seems black and white.... wow just another standard redemption story compared to something like low honor

well low honor to high honor certainly works for the story... i did this exact thing for my 1st playthrough but after I did a whole low honor playthrough, certain scenes and the last ride to the gangs hideout work so well for the low honor version that majority of high honor players agree that the low honor last ride version is the best because of the tone, scenery and quotes plus with playing low honor and still helping rains fall is so fucking good because you really need to try and maintain a balance for you not to go overboard with high honor and to maintain that, you'd kill bounty hunters (including the dogs because I feel like arthur wouldn't give a shit about killing dogs after his own died especially since he has voicelines for killing dogs as well as horses) and bystanders who threaten you for whatever the reasons is.... Arthur can still achieve redemption by doing these things that I mentioned to maintain low honor.... look at kratos or dante from the divine comedy game adaptation.... both kratos and dante are sick bastards who achieve redemption (at least for dante in the end since kratos' is a bit too complicated for kratos achieving redemption in his younger ghost of sparta days) but the methods that they use are still morally grey with dante in admist of his redemption r3pes cleopatra as the final killing blow because shes a sex demon now this isn't to say that arthur could r3pe someone in his path for redemption because no that's not possible but the concept of doing fucked up things like with arthur killing a bounty hunter dog, killing horses and killing bystanders can still bring redemption to arthur at that stage of his life.... its the same thing with Altair from AC1 where his whole mission in that game is to redeem himself through killing 9 templar targets because he was a bad person at the start of the game yet altair still kills ppl ruthlessly after he interrogates someone whos involved with a templar that he's hunting even though he could be innocent yet altair still kills him because he doesn't want to leave loose ends yet he's on a path to redemption through killing 9 templars

rockstar definitely makes some of the best depictions of how humanity works and they perfected it in manhunt and when i see someone glorifying arthur as a good person and how ppl felt like a close friend just died... it rubs me the wrong way because arthur isn't supposed to be like that and certainly rockstar didn't entirely intend to do that for arthur especially with how rockstar introduced him in the 2nd trailer of RDR2 where that trailer is supposed to be the introduction of Arthur Morgan

plus I don't understand why ppl don't get that the honor system isn't like a morality system from something like inFAMOUS but its simply made for how honorable arthur is and not how good or bad he is.... Arthur is still a bad person with whatever his honor level is

Same, I even told myself that Lenny was my favorite character

Facts, he ruined lives but the gang took lives

Exactly, the group, especially Arthur actually enabled him to do his thing. Then Arthur turned on him when he was feeling guilty. That's the only part of Arthur's story I didn't like.

@@ironicly__iconic you’re not wrong. when arthur kicks strauss out i feel like it’s more from arthur’s own guilt and regret.

Sooo true cus he made Arthur weak nd sick

Too true! I think we can all agree that the worst spot goes to Micah!

Lol omg yes 😂😂😂❤

I heard she was gonna be, but actual love interest was Eliza and Mary linton 💯💕🌸

Nah they got more of a sibling relationship - reminds me a lot of my relationship with my male friends

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The whole list is whacky, because it's a weird combination of how useful they are but also how much he likes them. Inside the camp some characters like pearson and grimshaw are absolutely vital to the camp's success. Sadie has a ton of questionable and impulse driven decisions, she's just up there because she gets a lot of attention near the end.

As much as I agree, he's also a dick and a manipulative control freak, but yes written very well.

@bakublader1999 All Sadie's character is revenge that's it

Crazy reach

@davidbrow3086 not really if you think about it for more than two seconds. Edit: "That aforementioned slow and steady pace that Red Dead Redemption 2's gameplay and narrative evoke is perhaps the most subtle nod to the Wild West's death. Cowboys and outlaws didn't just disappear over night, rather it was a slow and steady burn that eventually consumed outlaws altogether. The dismantling of Dutch's gang, and even on a more visceral level with Arthur's disease, shows that the death of the Wild West was an always encroaching inevitability." -game rant It's totally a crazy reach, right? I mean, I said I wasn't the first to consider this. I just didn't care to elaborate.

I think Micah and Dutch must be a bit higher for their effect on the story

Sadie’s too high honestly she isn’t top 5

Nah

@@ArjunB5agree i hated her

I slightly preferred Sean to Lenny as far as the younger characters go but they were both awesome and likeable.

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He aimed at Arthur when the screen cuts back to him a few seconds later

Another detail u missed is he aimed his gun back at Arthur

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If my memory is correct he's also the one that points out that the Pinkertons are on the way, maybe he was trying to break up the standoff?

Yeah it’s messed up Arthur dies and dies for nothing 😢😢

@@darlingxluxii7977 Technically he dies for nothing either way - John makes it out even if Arthur doesn’t help him and goes back for the money instead.

2 playthroughs for me and I can’t do it. Arthur deserved one ending facing the sunrise.

Get money high honor.

Nah, Javier number one with trelawny second

@@elektra8535 Javier doesn't don top hats or puff silk ties with a dapper mustache

1. Dutch 2. Trelawny 3. Javier

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Wow thank you! I appreciate the kind words!

@@gordontalksgaming keep making good videos

Let me help you

​@@Cigarollyme too man this guy is dope

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Fuck micah

@@jacksonandy218 so you want to start an argument?

Thank you!

Because he is a well written villain.

@@dutchvanderlinde44I disagree he’s very one dimensional imo. Dutch is written way better. Hell even Ross is written better.

@@cocob0l0 it’s because micah was able to infiltrate and collapse the vander linde gang from the inside by manipulating the leader.

She gets Aturo killed, sets up John's demise, and forces a dying man to raid a gang hideout. She's just a female Micah. Who's only liked because she hates the same people we do.

I searched up "(character name) official artwork" in google images to find them

I can definitely understand that point of view. That's the beauty of these type of lists, everyone has their opinion and it makes for a good discussion

Black Belle was a badass.. but he said the ranking was also based on their contribution to the story. She played a very minor role in the story..

I agree tbh I’d put Grimshaw, Abigail, and MB wayyy higher than Sadie when it comes to being good characters. Hell even Molly has a better story than Sadie.

@@kappa_oasisoh yea for sure i got that, i was just trying to make a point.

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