Gosh all of the main vocalist in the big three are really great dancers

I feel like joy also restricts her moves when she’s wearing tight uncomfortable clothes... that’s why she’s better in umpah umpah where she was wearing comfortable clothes

I think when she’s at a physical and emotional peak Yeri could be way higher, I think consistency is her biggest issue by far. I also sadly think that after the events of December Wendy might not come back how she left which is super sad because you can tell she tried her best to develop her dance skills.

Joy is so much better when she’s in comfortable clothes I swear they give her the most short and uncomfortable outfits.

Wendy used to be called the worst rv dancer and now she's the 3rd best and that makes me so proud 😭💕✨

Another thing about Joy is, she's also pretty tall, and being too tall or too short is already a disadvantage because of your limbs.

I would like to add that irene is most like elegant moves, and thats why hip hop it doesn’t suit her, in her solo in la rouge was perfect

From 7:15 - 7:31 I meant "Because she is amazing at hip hop and similars, but not as genius in the other styles". I have NO IDEA how it came out like that

Seulgi really reminds me of a female J-Hope. Especially, in the first clip that you showed her dancing in.

Wendy is always fun to watch in fancams. She is an amazing singer and funny on variety too. It always makes me smile when someone praises her

I really need this for Twice. I love the way you put together these videos I think your dance rankings are my favorite!

I agree with everything except for Seulgi being underrated haha. She's definitely not underrated, she's ALWAYS mentioned when the people talk about 3rd generation best dancers or best SM dancers. Also she's really really popular, the people know her more for her dance than her vocals, and that's amazing. She, with Momo and Lisa, are the most popular dancers in the 3rd generation and three of the most popular in the kpop.

Seeing how Wendy has improved makes me very excited to see the progress of the 4th gen girl groups. So many of them are already such strong dancers. In a few years they could be absolutely incredible and I can't wait to see that! Also reminds me I should be practicing my dancing more lol

if you are doing more of these, here are some groups: (G)I-DLE Rocket Punch Dreamcatcher GFriend WJSN

I think fourth generation os focused more on dance than third that is rap and vocal

the fact that seulgi joined sm to ba a vocalist scares me like bruh she is a monster she has a very beautiful vocal and she dances like that all her hard works has paid off

5:03 I don’t think irene intends to look so stone faced when she dances I think she’s just super focused on the movements. There are also many performances of Irene dancing with red velvet with good stage presence and facial expressions so...

I just came to see if you put Yeri or Wendy as 3rd.

Before I even watched the video. My ranking: 1. Seulgi 2. Everyone else

i think seulgi levels herself with her co-members in the group when dancing as a group. you see in her solo dance she is a monster dancer, but when dancing as red velvet she seems to be just an above average dancer. but you can point out that she's the best in the group

I think Seulgi has one of the best dynamics in kpop

4:26 JOEY. That literally made my day even if it was a typo

As a dancer for over 19 years, I'll just give my own opinion again. Seulgi is my favorite dancer and she actually helped teach Joy to dance as a trainee. Joy is also one of the most consistently in sync with Seulgi which is a massive pro and indicative of dance ability and her sense of rhythm. I definitely don't think Joy should be ranked last. I would say that because Joy had such a short trainee period she was less developed at debut but she’s definitely improved a lot since then, which has been demonstrated by her Psycho performance on Handsome Tigers (wearing comfortable pants), Sunny Side Up fancam Bing Bing fancam, Umpah Umpah Weekly Idol fancam, and with her Tango solo dance. Joy is usually given tight short dresses to dance in (the RBB fancam used in this video has her in a tight strapless bustier and hot pants), but when she gets to dance in appropriate outfits she can really show her fluidity and clean dance lines. I agree with the video that Joy has great stage presence, and I'd actually say she does have good extensions and that the ballet training she began last year has improved her dance lines even more. With her taller height though, Joy is more careful to match the other members, something she actually does consistently well, making her movements more refined. Since there is a height difference with the rest of her members, Joy has to alter her movements to ensure she matches the formation (which she does). Joy consistently makes the overall choreo formation look good and that's something I would say puts Joy at 3rd in the group. Joy’s biggest weakness is her stamina, and knowing that she has underlying health issues it’s clearer to see why she sometimes doesn’t hit moves as hard or has as much power, but it should be stated that this is separate to actual dance ability. A Red Velvet choreographer stated that Joy always looks for ways to make the choreo more expressive and I can definitely see this. Just compare the Umpah Umpah Weekly Idol fancams of all the members and you'll see how Joy is in sync with the music, where she shows detailed and expressive dancing. I'd also recommend people watch the group Sunny Side Up fancam from Inkigayo which especially displays Joy's dancing ability. Not to mention Joy's special stages, where she always stands out and has done very well delivering the choreo each time (Age of Ceremony, Hush, MR MR etc etc). As a dancer, I would definitely put Joy as 3rd overall. Anyway I think Red Velvet are such an amazing group, all with their own strengths, and I hope all the members will be reunited soon on stage.

Omg and can we talk about Wendy's freestyle?? She's amazing

no surprise to see that seulgi is at #1, and i agree with irene at #2. but i'd definitely put joy at #3 overall. i often watch red velvet group fancams because i think they give a much better comparison than just looking at solo fancams from different eras. just watch the sunny side up group fancam from inkigayo (where they're wearing purple and black) or the sma pyscho fancam. i honestly don't know how anyone could watch that and rank joy as last in dancing. although joy's dancing isn't as powerful, she's actually very fluid and in sync (a main dancer like seulgi is both). wendy definitely has a lot of energy, and i noticed her improvement around kcon ny 2018, but more energy doesn't translate into skills and her overdancing looks very odd like a zumba routine in choreo like bad boy. for me that's a huge negative, as it actually affects the way the group choreo looks overall. i would put yeri at #5 because i find yeri's movement very disconnected and often out of sync and quite awkward looking, which is why i think choreo with abrupt movements is probably better for her because it doesn't require fluidity. anyway i definitely recommend people watch various group fancams for themselves. for example this zimzalabim group fancam: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o8-DmM-F35rInXU.html, MAMA 2017 dance break fancam: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdqRqNuV0K64d4U.html, sunny side up group fancam: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qL-ia7l_ueCpYHU.html, and the SMA psycho performance kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sN9xfrNhu6_NpGQ.html. my ranking remains: #1 Seulgi #2 Irene #3 Joy #4 Wendy #5 Yeri

it's very well done, and, could you also make a dreamcatcher?

Joy mostly has a disadvantage when it comes to dancing on stage. (I'm not saying this is the reason she is ranked lower than the other members it's just her disadvantage) She always gets short, tight, and uncomfy outfits causing her to show a lack of power/confidence. I'm pretty sure Joy also gets uncomfy shoes to dance with. I'm not saying the other members don't get uncomfortable outfits/shoes I just see Joy getting them every time.

Honestly I think part of the reason joy comes across as so stiff is because of the outfits she get she constantly looks uncomfortable in her out fits like in her umpha umpha solo dance on weekly idol she did so good and look so less stiff and I also think their choreography is focused more toward smaller people which is fair since 4/5 of them are tiny but I think it puts her at a disadvantage but I do agree with this ranking

Just want to add - joy always get really short skirts and she seems always hold back because of it. Check out the video of her to psycho on I think handsome tigers? Definitely performer though - or maybe the old episode when she’s queen havana

Umpah Umpah was an ICONIC era and the fact people don't love it as much saddens me. They looked to be having so much with with the song

watched all the third gen girl groups big 3 vids you made and I agree with the rankings Lisa#1 Momo#2 and Seulgi#3 but I think if I would rank them in overall performance (including singing, stage presence, etc.) Seulgi would rank #1. Seulgi is one of the greatest performers of kpop she is one those who are perfect packages of what a great performer should be💛🐻 all these girls deserve all the praise for their amazing talents👑👑👑

Agree with your ranking fully. I just want to point out that I believe Joy isn’t as loose and expressive body wise when she dances is because she normally gets out in very tight and short dresses not allowing for a lot of mobility. When she wears comfortable clothing she dances a lot more fluid. Still agree on the ranking though.

The biggest contrast there is for seulrene is that seulgi is more of a hiphop dancer. She's great with popping, locks and etc. but when it comes to fluidity and gracefulness its Irene. I personally think that's the reason why she's lead because her line of dance is more of the hips and shakes

What more versatility do you want in Seulgi though like😭😭😭 She literally belongs to RED VELVET

My ranking Seulgi Irene Joy Yeri/Wendy

lol I paused the video because Joy is 5th, you should watch "sunny side up" performances really.

4:40 Stan Joey everyone! My bias Joey is so underrated its sad 😞. She is so talented yet goes un noticed.

My baby Wendy improved a lot 🥺

Them: Wendy has a lot of energy but lacks technique Me watching the fancam: YOOOO HER ARMS

my favourite irene performance is the smrookies one. she absolutely kills it there.

MY OPINION (btw i´m a dancer too lmao): 5/4) wendy/yeri: I honestly can't pick between them who is a better dancer, each one of them has her own vibe in dancing, but both of them are on the same level so i think no one is better than the other, their dance moves are too simple and great, especially that they always make the dance moves looks easy and simple so that's perfect. 3) Irene : Een though irene is a lead dancer but i still think joy is a bit better than her, irene has a higher technique in dancing but joy has the charisma, so in my opinion i prefer the charming and charisma more than the technique cuz that's what attract the fan to a member. 2) Joy: As i said joy has the most charisma while dancing ( in my opinion) so i prefer her so much than the others not bcz the others are not good, definitely not, actually the other members can dance very well and everything but i am just saying my opinion. 1) seulgi: SEULGI OUR BEST MAIN DANCER! Ofc she is the best dancer out of the group, actually Seulgi isn't a main dancer for nothing, she has the most perfect technique and vibe in dancing, she feels the dance moves ao much that she makes it looks easier than it is originally, she also has enough charisma and charms to attract anyone to her dancing.

My rank 1.Seulgi 2.Irene 3.Wendy 4.Joy 5.Yeri

I love Irene so much and she is such a great dancer, but I will never understand why she always looks like she does not want to be on stage when she is performing with RV. Even in Zimzalabim, which I consider her era, and is a high energy song, she looks annoyed. I know it is just her face, and I do not at all believe she is an "ice queen" or whatever antis say about her, but on stage, I just wish she would show more presence. You don't have to be smiley all the time, but it is part of her job as a performer to have facial expressions. Even if they aren't great, she needs to utilize her face more. Again, I adore her and I know that she has a resting mean face, but on stage, her face should not be resting, at least not all the time. She is a very bubbly person with a big laugh and a kind heart, so I just do not get it.

I love how even though this is a ranking you still show love to all of the members ❤️

I'm so proud of my bear

finally a red velvet dance ranking video that appreciates wendy MORE

Seulgi wrecking my bias list hmmmm... She's talented asf

wendy is proving she is the ace of rv every day

Could you pls do Oh my girl, i think they are sooo good especially YooA. Would love to see your opinion ˋbout that :)

i would love to see a twice dance ranking !! Your videos are so simple and i love it !

in my opinion sometimes irene doesn't let her head free when she dance when rv performance irene always keep her hair beautiful and not let her head free to dance that make me feels uncomfortable when she dance on the stage cause like her body dance but her head keep stay which make me feel really uncomfortable. she's really full of energy when dance practice n wear a comfortable clothes but i wish i can see irene being like that on the stage too pls don't judge me its just my opinion hehe i love her so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

IRENE’S MEME DANCE I CAN’T

Something I've noticed in all their performances and dance practices is that Seulgi and Wendy have the best sense of rhythm. Seulgi is a naturally good dancer and for Wendy, it might be because she just has a very good understanding of music, based on her vocals Joy and Irene are pretty good, but Yeri often does her moves too fast

Wendy is Swag and Cool

I cant wait for you to do blackpink and twice. I'm really interested in what you have to say about rose.

rv is really underrated when it comes to dancing, specially irene

im a dancer too and i agree with this ranking! could you maybe do clc cause like i want to see what you have to say about seungyeon because imo shes fantastic

Joy is the 3rd best dancer IMO, and her technique exists in the fact that she moderates her movement accordingly to her conditions. Although she has less power, her movements are always connected and graceful which end up making the choreo looking easy without being sloppy. She is the type who can add power when she wants to (look at dumb dumb). I noticed she is very aware of her own limits and weaknesses. So with that in mind, she is definitely a solid idol dancer, but not up to par with Seulgi. And in general, I don't think she focuses as much on being the best dancer but rather someone who does enough to not be criticized (focuses more on the performance as a whole). I like her style because she consistently keeps her dancing at a certain standard, never going below. Not to mention she is very good with waves LOL (very good natural groove and rhythm). Lots of room for potential if she focuses on improving her isolation and edgier styles. Yeri, on the other hand, has dropped to #5 for me since she had a car accident around RR era. Her posture became really bad (this creates bad dance angles) as well as how she's always offbeat and often does not complete the entire movement leading to a very choppy and inconsistent style of dancing. When I watch fancams of yeri compared to seulgi/joy/irene, she just does not capture the original feeling the choreography was meant to have which makes it frustrating or just boring for me to watch :/ (2:43 she's rushing through the moves while joy takes time to execute the whole thing) Wendy would be 4th! Really good power and more awareness of rhythm; but she needs to learn how to moderate her moves a bit more as she does tend to over dance or create angles that are a bit off.

I have to say I find it quite disturbing how people overlook and ignore Joy's health issues, even using fancams from when she was injured to critique her dancing. Joy had a knee injury during Russian Roulette and was wearing a knee bandage throughout promotions, Joy was rushed off stage mid-concert to go to hospital for a shoulder injury in Singapore, then had to promote RBB and get injections for the pain, and at the end of 2018 we also learned that Joy has a spinal condition. Then in 2020 Joy opened up about being diagnosed with a disorder that causes chronic clinical pain. Joy's main issue is her stamina, but her dancing in itself is great. She's always consistently in sync and making the choreo look so expressive, and doing a brilliant job of adapting herself to the group because of her height. Joy always has grounded fluid movements and beautiful dance lines when she isn't injured, just look at fancams over the years. Every special stage Joy's done she's danced so well, and when she actually gets comfortable clothing she's fantastic. I would never rank her last. It's sad how narratives get spread so easily, with absolutely no thought to look deeper.

Yeri looks stift of some of her moments. Joy is focus on being sexy and fluid. I love joy so im al ittle bias so im pushing her on 4th lol. The rest is perfect

WENDY.IMPROVEMENT.

I want to see you rank mamamoo since all of them have different styles

I wonder why irene gets so high in dance rankings, she's def not a great tier just a good tier, she's had some impressive moments but her sharpness/technique is lacking not to mention her lack of expressions

I knew it Yeri Joy and Wendy are really so close to each other when it comes to dancing. For me, It's really hard to rank them so I put them all in #3 😅

My opinion 1. Seulgi (9.8) 2. Irene (8.9) 3. Wendy (6.3) 4. Joy (5.8) 5. Yeri (5.1)

I think is 1. Seulgi 2. Irene 3. Wendy 4. Joy 5. Yeri

I’m sorry but Yeri should definitely be ranked 5th. She has her moments ofc, but she’s definitely the sloppiest and has the worst technique. *disclaimer* I’m literally a HUGE reveluv (OT5) [literally spent all my money to see them in concert] soo don’t come at meee

wait we have the same bias and wrecker,, your taste is immaculate

okay but i think there are way more videos of irene that you could have used; girl really did great in one of the stages of rbb (the stage you used for yeri's); her performance/facials in mnet bad boy stage was great too; dumb dumb was one of her concepts, she owned the choreo. idk if i'm just being biased but i think you focused too much on her expressions (which she's improving so much even at this point) rather than her dancing.anyways, i hope you'll update these rankings too in the future :)

I think the strongest point of Irene Dance is her isolation and small details i.e. finger; we can see it clearly in Naughty.

4:40 it says joey instead of Joy

My ranking is almost the same as yours with only a couple changes 5- Yeri Yeri’s angles are decent and she is currently involving sharpness into her technique. Unfortunately she’s the member mostly likely to be offbeat and lacks rhythm. Yeri has stiff hips, a stiff torso and has a lot of arm tension (particularly in her wrists). She also has a tendency to shortcut movements and under-extend her dance lines. Yeri’s isolations can be very sloppy at times and I’ve also noticed she hunches her shoulders a lot. 4- Joy Joy is better than KPOP dance rankers give her credit for. Her hip control is very developed and her angles and placement have gotten better over the years. She is also the member most in sync with Seulgi during live performances. She can be stiff at times though, specifically in her torso area. Like Yeri, Joy also has issues with under-dancing and under-extending movements due to a limited range of motion. Her isolations are often sloppy or just not executed at all. She needs to work on her overall body control and her energy levels. 3- Wendy Wendy has great facial expressions and good rhythm. She has also showcased an ability to be very fluid if the dance calls for it. Wendy’s biggest weakness is her body control. She has poor body control so it often makes her placements, angles, and lines look sloppy. Her tendency exert too much energy only aggravates this issue. Because of a lack of body control her isolations are very sloppy and poorly executed. She also has a tendency to tense up her body during faster sections of the choreo. 2- Irene There is a big jump in technique once you get to Irene. Irene is very fluid and graceful. She has good angles + lines and can be very precise. As showcased by ‘Naughty’ she also has good arm control. She also has very good neck isolations as seen in Monster and certain parts of CookieJar. Irene has two main weaknesses. 1: Weak dynamics. Irene has a tendency to execute every move with the same energy which hinders her dynamics. Rarely ever does she show tension or power variations which makes her dancing look one-note 2: Under-extension in her lower area. Irene’s leg movements are often shortcut or not fully executed. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZOfqbKJrtG6iZs.html in RBB at 2:21 compare her leg movements to Seulgi or even Wendy. Look at how her knee isn’t brought up very high. Another example would be in Umpah Umpah: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJpyeJtnv5bPiXk.html notice how at 0:25 Irene’s knees never fully extend outwards like Seulgi. And at 0:49 the second knee movement isn’t done (again look at Seulgi in comparison) 1- Seulgi Seulgi is a very clean dancer. Rarely ever does she blur her lines together. Her sharpness allows her to create clean and precise angles, and her body locks are clear and well executed. Seulgi has great armwork and legwork. She also has great rhythm and dynamics. She also has the best isolations in the group BY FAR. Her biggest weaknesses are torso stiffness, a lack of body connectivity, and un-detailed footwork. She also has minor balance issues

I love how the title is praising seulgi for 9 minutes even tho the video isn’t even 9 minutes long lol

So proud of wendy 😭❤️

Ik this has nothing to do with this video, but I never knew yeri had a square body shape! It’s so cute 😆. Ik I sound like such a creep rn but it’s just I haven’t rlly seen idols with that body shape so it’s just cool to see it.

I find after the seulrene subunit, Irene stage presence improved a lot. I guess prior to the subunit ppl always complimented Irene for her looks and never her talent. Similar to the imposter syndrome, I guess Irene just thought she wasn't talented and felt she didn't need to put any effort. but once she got complimented for her dancing skills (during the subunit) she realized her worth and started putting more effort and looks happier on stage. just an observation :)

In my opinion the irene part where you commented on her facials would be the hardest thing to improve she even said herself that she’s super introverted and when their’s a camera her face is muted or monotonous and stiff

Wendy always got criticized for her dancing but her energy and charisma on stage has always caught my attention and made up for any flaws imo. I might have posted this before but I remember watching one of their 'Russan Roulette' goodbye stages and Wendy just consistently stole the cameraman's attention and always looked like she was having a blast regardless of HOW she was doing and that's infectious. Joy meanwhile while she can have great charisma when she wants and has one of the best smiles (and eye smiles) like EVER imo tends to wear quite a lot of emotions on her sleeve so to speak so if she's uncomfortable or bothered or in pain (due to her chronic issues? I know she's gotten hurt a few times) it shows really quick and she frequently looks underwhelmed or "over" certain comebacks especially certain Red concepts. HOWEVER, they usually put her (and Irene but mostly her) in the most difficult stage outfits (super short tube dresses etc) plus her slightly taller height and long limbs probably make it a bit more difficult to dance compared to an otherwise very short (tho not LOONA short) group no?

About Joy, well for example when i watched sunny side up’s fancams she really captured me (dance-wise) i mean she has a sexy way of dancing and she was so smooth too ; she did good in many moves where i found wendy and yeri a bit stiff in it . I think that Joy, yeri and wendy have the same level and for irene and seulgi i feel that they are main dancer materials (of course seulgi is already one of the best female dancers in kpop) . And just one more thing , THE FACT THAT ALL RED VELVET’S MEMBERS HAVE SCORES OVER AVERAGE; JUST LIKE IN VOCALS🥰- WAW.

6:13 damn i can't believe you actually used this clip eye- 😂

This was all fun and cute and then we got to Irene and it got shady I was like it’s a little cold in here 😂

If wendy continues improving she could become a lead dancer

Hi! Can i know what’s your opinion of irene in Aseul unit bcs damn, her facials and stage presence i may say .. sometimes surpassed seulgi

I'm dead. "we won't use red velvet clips because she's like 😑 in all of them"

tbh i feel like it's the outfits that cause them to be a bit stiff (not always) but all of them are great at dancing.

yeri also has really good footwork imo (if you've seen that one variety show video where they dance to dumb dumb without their hands)

In all honesty I'm really obsessed with great dancers in Red Velvet, Seulgi is my 1st then 2nd goes to Irene although Irene I really like her graceful manner & flexibility but she can manage to catch up with Seulgi if she works hard.. Seulgi I've seen her different styles in dancing the fact she's been trained for the longest time compare to the other so it's given.. But I'd like to see Seulgi dancing in a sexiest ways like more daring and bold although I've seen a few footage that she dance in a sexy but it's really different if she can showcase that side.. I know she can nailed that it's just that SM Ent. wont let Seulgi showcase that kind of stuff for the sake of her image and reputation.. In ITZY I'm really obsessed with the trio Yeji, Chaeryeong and Ryujin my god I really love it when these trio dancing. In Blackpink I'm obsessed with Lisa & Rose when it comes into dancing.. Lisa is really a great dancer.. Actually there's so many to mention as long as main dancers.. I would totally go crazy cos I'm obsessed for perfection for dancing

Bro and I thought Joy was the lead dancer and then I discovered it was Irene, but I have always found that Joy's dance skills are amazing even above Yeri which surprised me in this ranking(I'm sorry baby Yeri, I love you but that's what I thought) I thought Joy's moves are fluid and well executed

could you make a video for gfriend since gfriend are always praised for their choreographies and how in sync i've always wondered how they all are individually as dancers?

so proud of wendys improvement

NO ONE WILL ARGUE WITH NO. 1 AND NO. 2

Pointing out Wendy’s stamina. Miss queen didn’t go to a performing arts school for her to have low stamina 👑👑👑

I love your ranking! could you maybe do twice next?

Plus the fact that Wendy has to also hits high and complicated notes while dancing makes her more awesome. Plus her facial expressions are on point as always

I’m sorry Yeri joey is my new bias

Could you do Cosmic Girls and After School? They have hardcore choreos, AS way more, but anyway I want your opinion! I love your insights Could you too please make a special of Insane Choreos in kpop? Like Poledance, risky moves, insane difficult levels? Girl groups do less then boygroups but still is easy to find

irene, queen of (-_-)

I definitely disagree about Joy being ranked last. I just saw a compilation video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLmmldFnz52opGQ.html and was watching the group fancams others have recommended and Joy is a very fluid and graceful dancer. I would like for her to put more power into her moves, but her underlying health issues aren't something she can control and in terms of ranking actual dance capability that's a different issue. In terms of having a solid grasp of technique, beautiful dance lines, and consistently staying in sync I think she's great. It also seems that people have forgotten that Joy was recovering from a shoulder injury throughout the RBB era. Joy had literally been sent to hospital mid-concert less than a month before this and was receiving injections to help with the pain (not mention she's also wearing a strapless top in this RBB fancam but is being critiqued for having a stiff torso).

It kinda bothers me seeing idols in high heels when they are uncomfortable with them (to be clear, there are dancers that seems to be very confident with them but that's not always the case), I can see the "ok I have to maintain the balance" sometimes

i would only change wendy and yeri's rank