Rare Google Stadia DevKit from Japan: Custom AMD + Xeon Build Tear-Down

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We got our hands on a rare Google Stadia Developer Kit for about $1000 from a Japan-based technology auction. Console Dev Kits rarely make it to market and are always a unique opportunity for insight into how game developers make games for various services and consoles. Google Stadia is dead now, but the devkit still has use outside of Stadia. The AMD V320 GPU is one of the most interesting aspects of this build, along with the high-end Xeon processor.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Google Stadia Developer Kit
01:46 - Price & Rarity
02:20 - Walking Around the Outside
03:47 - Stadia Devkit Guide
05:32 - TEAR-DOWN TIME!
07:32 - Unique AMD GPU
11:28 - Bizarre Motherboard Design
12:51 - What Alienware Wishes It Could Be
13:35 - WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS
22:45 - Removing the Motherboard & CPU
25:28 - Conclusion
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Host, Tear-Down: Steve Burke
Camera: Andrew Coleman
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@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments on ease of serviceability for corporate environments. Makes sense. I'm always thinking from a waste or repurposing standpoint -- too many proprietary solutions and you can hinder long-term repairability in favor of short-term. You lose the ability to source any part years later for sourcing quick swap parts now. But short-term repairs would be easier here, as long as it's not the motherboard. Check out our tear-down of an Xbox DevKit previously! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdSfZ9dovtexfWg.html
@realdragonrude
@realdragonrude Жыл бұрын
Reminder that to even get a debug build working on this devkit they basically had to port to ubuntu linux so all those ports that are already made and are now being scrapped instead of releasing them on steam tells me this whole linux not being profitable thing is well....bulls*** theirs no excuse when the work was already done and the money was already spent why is microsoft not in court for a monopoly again?
@wnxdafriz
@wnxdafriz Жыл бұрын
if i had to guess, the reduction in wires probably has something to do with reducing some copper, as well as reducing potential issues in the testing phase so loss of productivity if the slot doesn't work for final testing its probably instantly detected and is swapped for a new part while the other is sent for diagnostic and repair but the other main reason would be, well guess what you still have this?? well you can only turn to us for servicing it or you need to buy something new from us
@craigmiller332
@craigmiller332 Жыл бұрын
Dropping everything to watch Steve tear down an old computer 😂
@robertlawrence9000
@robertlawrence9000 Жыл бұрын
NO!!! If the cloud is good enough for gamers why is it not good enough for developers? ...... Oh wait...... It wasn't good enough for anyone.
@shaneeslick
@shaneeslick Жыл бұрын
@@robertlawrence9000 Yeah "The Future of Gaming" like every other attempt at Cloud Gaming didn't last very long into the Future🤦‍♂
@Plasmic-knight
@Plasmic-knight Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is the most publicity Stadia will ever get again.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
ooooof
@OtsegoBeyond
@OtsegoBeyond Жыл бұрын
Apply cold water to the burned area.
@SRC267
@SRC267 Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Google will bring it back one day under a new title.
@BBWahoo
@BBWahoo Жыл бұрын
This is the most publicity they've ever gotten xD
@DarkReturns1
@DarkReturns1 Жыл бұрын
They felt that burn lol
@comander13
@comander13 Жыл бұрын
So one thing to keep in mind with these workstations they are made to be quick to work on in the field. Users in corporate environments seem to destroy USB ports and to be able to slide a module out and pop a new one in a couple of minutes is awesome without worrying with cable routing. Same with the power supply when time is money a 1 minute swap out and not worrying about cables is worth it for a corporation. Also, these will have service contracts and then ditched to the used market once it is up.
@bituniverse8677
@bituniverse8677 Жыл бұрын
It also looks like you don’t need to take the whole front panel off. You can just slide the I/O out.
@Beaut2013
@Beaut2013 Жыл бұрын
@@bituniverse8677 I noticed this as well. There's a release handle right there for the IO board by Steve's hand the entire tine he's trying to remove the front panel. I wanted to yell at my screen. lol
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Жыл бұрын
Correct. The big Dell Precisions don't even require the case to be opened to swap a PSU out. Press a quick-release catch and it comes out. Slide a new one in. Job done. You'll spend most time detaching cables from the system box to get at it. I buy them from the recyclers. They go for little more than a song in relative terms. I saw a Dell T7910 (dual CPU monster, 8 drive bays) workstation at under £200 the other day. I have one that reports 48 CPUs (you can fit more !).
@extrazero1593
@extrazero1593 Жыл бұрын
@@grahamstevenson1740 my precision t3500 power supply cant be removed without opening the case... it does have a well hidden quick release lever that took me 30 minutes to find. nice and quick.
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Жыл бұрын
@@extrazero1593 Yes, the 3500 is an earlier chassis design. Not E5 Xeons either IIRC. The 3600 and on have the improved one.
@MarkDotExe
@MarkDotExe Жыл бұрын
I work for a game publisher, and we've published a few titles on Stadia. I'm not sure how folks got these, but our company didn't. Albeit, we are a small indie company, but all of our development was done through Stadia's developer portal, which was essentially a staging and testing VM and then the game ran over the browser on our Stadia dev server that was all hosted by Google. We had no Stadia equipement on site as far as I know. My guess is that you could buy these as a developer but they're crazy expensive.
@TheDiner50
@TheDiner50 Жыл бұрын
Was a bit sad that we did not get a demo of the machine running a Stadia game. But then I remembered that I have a machine next to me that basically achieves the low latency crisp graphics without the need of a stable network plan without a data cap. Like is not even funny how stupid it all was. Like if one got a bad device you also not in a place with high speed reliable network. Better to spend on hardware before getting the network for Stadia... You need to live a life so easy to have network to the point that having no hardware makes sense. You have to be rich more or less to have the network to beat real hardware every time. Going to show myself out. But cringe or not. The point has to be made that Stadia only chance was to stop cheating in competitive games. Or that we should not be allowed to own anything anymore. DRM etc etc. There is far better ways to spend time and money then paying Google to host a server for games. A better chip drawing less power (less heat) go a long way over 5G or some stupid stuff that is unreliable and shared with other people in public. Like cheating in E-sport is so high that wrestling feels like a no rigged sport. Even moving everything server side is not going to stop the cheating. XD Like Stadia makes no sense at all.
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 Жыл бұрын
@mainstreamtube that doesn't make sense with the stuff on the papers that came with it. however it was probably optional and cost a bunch of money so if you were deciding if you want to buy it for no reason at all you wouldn't. it would be interesting if someone got their debian modifications from them. the win 10 standard build wasn't probably what you would've then used. well kind of interesting, not terribly interesting.
@FlabbyTabby
@FlabbyTabby Жыл бұрын
@@TheDiner50 Well, you forget that people stream video all the time. I mean, this is a streaming video platform. If data caps are a problem for game streaming, they're a problem for video streaming as well. Plus, hardware is very expensive in some places, some people have reasonably fast internet and can stream video, but hardware is too expensive. And lots of people have phones and tablets. Latency was really the only problem. And of course the lack of proper management, they really should've made it a subscription service.
@DrIMPRATICAL
@DrIMPRATICAL Жыл бұрын
@@FlabbyTabby Video streaming is not even in the same realm of data use as game streaming, are you out of your mind?
@guitaripod
@guitaripod Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an awful work setup
@dmtien
@dmtien Жыл бұрын
Steve, I have to disagree for once with your criticisms on Lenovo's design. This is a corporate deployment type machine, where it has to be field serviceable by technicians or internal IT departments without having to take the machine to a service bay. Everything that can fail or be damaged needs to be modular, so when a trouble ticket is issued, the tech can come equipped with the parts necessary to swap out. In field service, every minute counts -- either in user downtime and/or technician time. That means diagnostic time has to be minimized. If a front I/O USB port is not working, it's more efficient to swap the module out instead of tinkering with the wiring and probably damaging the extremely fragile USB 3.0 header. The PSU is similar to a server design, where if it fails, you pull the module out and slide in a new one and not have to deal with unplugging and replugging a bunch of connectors and then worrying about cable management. Every time you introduce a screw, you increase the odds that there will be an accidental short from one left in. Lenovo is descended from IBM's PC division, and this design rationale is decades old-- IBM PS/2 computers were some of the first "toolless" modular machines designed specifically for field service in the same manner. Decades of corporate deployment experience to validate and refine the design.
@mullanef1
@mullanef1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I have to agree - workstations for IBM, Lenovo, Dell, and HP inherit from their server divisions where time is money and fast swap is king. Cables get in the way of both airflow and more importantly equipment placement for multiple options of the same base class. This is not meant to be an enthusiast rig with rando hardware swaps.
@willjohnsonjohnson
@willjohnsonjohnson Жыл бұрын
Too bad the custom panel is not a standard slim drive bay. If it was you could put a slim DVD drive in there and get an aftermarket 5.25" IO panel, like the Lian Li BZ-U01. If the power supply mount was also standard it would be a really nice case.
@JackDangerous
@JackDangerous Жыл бұрын
I used to work for an insurance company which had a deal with Dell and i had to service quite a few of the machines, even local servers at some point because we didn't have a local IT team in our country's office, and much of it was just following the blue colour coded stickers and pull some levers to replace parts. Yes it's a bunch of E-Waste for the household user but we all know the bulk of these machines go to companies and that's what they're designed for. Steve annoyed me greatly in this particular video because he started bashing and making fun of things when he was the one at fault.
@jellygoo
@jellygoo Жыл бұрын
@@dannytipple1232 Definitely, there is a visible lever that just lets it slide out the front. I kinda liked the psu connection too. If that was a more widespread standard we would have so much less cables to manage albeit at the cost of less variety in cases i presume, then again innovation never sleeps.
@ConvergeLeague
@ConvergeLeague Жыл бұрын
@@dannytipple1232 you dont, front io quick disconnect is because people love to destroy front IO, i never destroyed one in my home pc but at work they break all the time, thats why they run cableless... saving time from workers building the PC for the first time and to cut down on support from people replacing it later on. bunch of e-waste but is hard to fuck up tho
@DJ.1001
@DJ.1001 Жыл бұрын
I'd have to argue about your "not being standard makes these not easy to service" argument. These machines are built to be maintained by an IT department. You would have a supply of spare power supplies and pretty much every other individual part supplied under a contract. If a workstation had a failed PSU you could simply intake the system, slide out the defective unit and slide the new unit in. No tools, done in 30 seconds. Uptime is everything in a professional environment. Future reparability is completely irrelevant, when the service life of these machines is over (or the contract/lease expires) all of the machines and spares would be liquidated. Same argument with the front panel. The ports that users interface with are going to get destroyed, that's pretty much a guarantee. With the daughter-board assembly the front ports are again simply slide out the defective parts and slide in a replacement.
@stoneymahoney9106
@stoneymahoney9106 Жыл бұрын
I would actually argue that they aren't even supposed to be fixed by the IT department of the company who buys them. I worked at a boarding school in the middle of nowhere here in the UK, ordered a bunch of Lenovo's all-in-ones for a space restricted deployment, and one of them arrived with a defective power switch. I called the vendor we bought them from expecting to have to send it back for a replacement - instead, an on-site repair by a Lenovo tech was booked for the very next day! On the standard warranty! He was properly briefed, had all the spares and tools he needed to the job and had the system repaired in five minutes flat.
@warraichlabs5154
@warraichlabs5154 Жыл бұрын
But still they could come up with a better design than this. Seems like they tried to save as much space and cost of the whole system. Also it's better to keep stuff universal rather than proprietary. The lack of universal design made it non user friendly in terms of modifications.
@Eian_Anderson
@Eian_Anderson Жыл бұрын
@@Tru3Things that is not true at all. Did you work IT?
@nilay.k.srivastava
@nilay.k.srivastava Жыл бұрын
@@Tru3Things Absolutely not, customer serviceable parts/CRUs/FRUs are actually a thing with these workstation/server class machines. Spare parts are sent out quite often for customers to replace by themselves.
@rwantare1
@rwantare1 Жыл бұрын
You're quite charitable in your response. There are a lot of things in this video that he called junk, bullshit, asinine, stupid, etc. That are pretty common in data centres or deployments with millions of machines and save technicians lots of time. I love GN but I'd look stupid sharing this video with my coworkers which I really wanted to do.
@VraccasVII
@VraccasVII Жыл бұрын
The situation in a big company is usually as follows: Someone who costs a couple hundred or thousand per hour to employ has a part die, for example a power supply. You press the button on it to make sure it is indeed the psu that has died. You replace it within a minute with one of the spares you have laying around. Or their USB port dies, maybe they accidentally ram something violently and with gusto into it every day. Whatever the reason, it's dead, and they are now fussing about it because it annoys them in their workflow. So you swap out the front card and it's fixed within a minute. Your time is valuable and so is theirs. You don't want people to be annoyed with their tools, you want them to be able to use all of their mental capacity on their actual work or research. Depending on your policy and warrany levels, either the IT department will quickly fix such problems, or someone from lenovo will come by and swap it out. They might also just bring you a replacement and then take the broken part, either with you/them swapping drives or just replacing it all. In the server and workstation market, it is unthinkable to just replace with any part that's not approved by the vendor. Say you are building a big tower, and a computer has a problem. Even if the random psu or gpu or whatever other part you put into that computer wasn't actually the problem, once investors who pumped millions into a project come knocking, you really don't want to be the guy who modified something. You want to be able to point at lenovo. That's also a reason to run workstation cards with certified drivers. If something goes wrong, covering your bases to not give attack surface is incredibly important or you might take a fall. So for the people who'd actually buy and use these, it's not a problem to be locked into proprietary parts, or to have slightly odd configurations. That said, I would of course appreciate if even such companies would go more standardized routes.
@MegamanEXEv2
@MegamanEXEv2 Жыл бұрын
It’s so weird to see Steve’s take on Workstations. As someone who works in real IT and services these every day, everything he hates about it is what makes my job incredibly easy. The power supply can be swapped in roughly 20 seconds.
@hishnash
@hishnash Жыл бұрын
even butter if you have someone remote (not part of the IT team) you can with a good degree of confidence get them to swap the power supply without fear that they might not fully seat a connector leading to that oh so lovely smell.
@noth606
@noth606 Жыл бұрын
@carlos He wasn't thinking about it as being what it is I think.
@grumpywolfgaming
@grumpywolfgaming Жыл бұрын
Came here to say the same thing. Have a server in my house with dual swappable PSUs and it's such a great concept and time saver. I absolutely HATE having to rewire my whole pc when swapping out a PSU.
@honeybadger6275
@honeybadger6275 Жыл бұрын
I mean it makes sense to design it do be quickly replaced when you factor in how much money the company loses when a computer is down for a few hours to replace a consumer part versus something that takes a few minutes on one of these.
@pedroferrr1412
@pedroferrr1412 Жыл бұрын
@@noth606 Ignorance does not excuse anyone.
@jeffmellow
@jeffmellow Жыл бұрын
Who is going to tell Steve the daughter board he struggled with for an hour had a lever right above it that he missed and the daughter board is then pushed right out?
@kevincm
@kevincm Жыл бұрын
As some have said, there are good reasons why Lenovo went that way. This is designed to be serviced in the field, rather than to a home person's tinker-toy. For example, Power Supplies into boards - Come to the land of Servers, where that's common (especially with the big OEM's), so we don't spent hours unwiring cables - we're able to plug and unplug with minimal to zero downtime. The same thing with the daughterboard - Whilst you might have time to route and fix a cable, a plug and play module is a quick change, with minimal downtime. These are designed to managed in fleets, so parts are a plentiful and you would be looking a maximum NBD turnaround, reducing an IT Departments time to fix. I've seen plenty of server, workstation and Lenovo internals - it's always welcome to see the part list/board design on the cover, as it reduces time to identify and time to fix. Sadly, the business world of PC's is VERY different to the Enthusiasts/Home builder world, where modularity is preferred - in the business world, where time is money, turning around a broken PC is either via Warranty or held parts is *MUCH* more preferable than spending hours routing cables.
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird Жыл бұрын
This is the case where GN needed their "experience reviewing ___" bar for themselves, since for enterprise hardware, their experience really doesn't feel sufficient.
@stoneymahoney9106
@stoneymahoney9106 Жыл бұрын
I have to say, I'm a little disappointed with Steve's analysis. He missed a number of standard workstation design features that either solve or minimize some of the problems he himself has been faced with (and, in one case, recent did a public safety investigation into) that are at this point decades old and make enthusiast PCs look like "Fisher Price My First PC" toy kits.
@ccoder4953
@ccoder4953 Жыл бұрын
The other thing about it is that businesses don't care that parts aren't commodity parts that can be swapped with other brands. They want to be sure that the replacement (or, occasionally upgrade) parts will absolutely, 100% work like they should, no fiddling or messing around. So, yeah, if that power supply fails, you will probably have to buy the replacement from Lenovo. That's what the business would do anyway. They don't want to order a part and finding out that, well, that power supply didn't have enough current on this rail or this memory has some weird compatibility issue with that motherboard or some other weird issue. They aren't Linus assembling a gaming computer. They need that machine and they need it to work, be rock solid, and have minimal downtime. So they are happy to pay an OEM like Dell or Lenovo for validation and upgraded component quality. And the other thing about the way they did this is that not only is it quick to service, it's quick to assemble at the factory. They don't need to pay somebody to spend time doing cable management or plugging in all the front panel connectors to the motherboard headers (hopefully they don't have a bunch of 2 pin headers like alot of cases do) - it all just slots together efficiently.
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 Жыл бұрын
it's nice and all as long as lenovo themselves have parts and aren't stalling an on-site fix for a month
@SviatoslavDamaschin
@SviatoslavDamaschin Жыл бұрын
They probably just wanted you to buy the replacement stuff from them and not from others.
@cracklingice
@cracklingice Жыл бұрын
The irony of the PSU is that for the market the machines are pointed at - they want stuff like that where their techs can replace a PSU in 15 seconds and have the machine back up and running.
@cracklingice
@cracklingice Жыл бұрын
Front I/O also looks like something that is designed to be a 15 second swap for IT.
@stoneymahoney9106
@stoneymahoney9106 Жыл бұрын
This. The time of someone who would sit in front of a workstation that powerful all day is far more valuable than the machine itself.
@Awesomepotamus
@Awesomepotamus Жыл бұрын
to open the side case without destroying the plastic handle you lift the handle further like a car door handle, that will retract the latches in the 'over built' cage for the handle.
@juandenz2008
@juandenz2008 Жыл бұрын
When I was watching this I got a strong feeling that Steve didn't understand the mechanism. I was worried he would actually break something.
@Njazmo
@Njazmo Жыл бұрын
@@juandenz2008 Maybe he drives a bicycle.
@0v13
@0v13 Жыл бұрын
Exactly that. Plus, there's probably a lock option somewhere there. That button-like round spot could be a case lock in other models.
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Steve didn't notice that
@GiaThinh93
@GiaThinh93 Жыл бұрын
Correct. Same as Dell Precision 5820.
@steveseybolt
@steveseybolt Жыл бұрын
I cannot believe Steve had never seen a Lenovo Think Center like this. Didn't need to tear the front off to remove the front IO. All the things he complained about make it very serviceable. They are so easy to repair and are a Industry Workhorse. The variations you could choose were outstanding.
@n.shiina8798
@n.shiina8798 Жыл бұрын
he kept complaining without even trying to see from professional perspective. i mean, this is not something that a casual consumer would buy. if he wanted to complain then he should keep it on those proprietary sh*ts used on consumer grade prebuilt PCs, not this one.
@Pasi123
@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын
It's a ThinkStation, not a ThinkCentre, so it makes a bit more sense he hadn't seen one before
@alc5440
@alc5440 Жыл бұрын
Cableless, card edge connect power supplies are pretty common in workstations and (especially) servers. It makes swapping the power supply take seconds instead of minutes and the downtime matters for that target customer.
@Ironclad17
@Ironclad17 Жыл бұрын
14:00 Those slot connectors are very common on server psus and unfortunately every oem seems to actively fight standardizing them. I think if Intel standardized that and front panel IO into a single cable it would make everyone's lives easier.
@gigitrix
@gigitrix Жыл бұрын
Server's all about lock-in though isn't it? Very little competitive pressure towards standardization in the space other than physical sizing
@jacksonstar3
@jacksonstar3 Жыл бұрын
@@gigitrix open compute project says hello
@Duglum666
@Duglum666 Жыл бұрын
@@gigitrix There's also no real need for that in servers.. you'll run them for a few years and you'll have a service contract for support and spare parts during that time. After that you buy new servers anyway because the newer generation is just way more efficient in terms of performance per watt. And power is expensive.
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland Жыл бұрын
Why does Intel get to be in charge?
@Mystery5Me
@Mystery5Me Жыл бұрын
As someone who's worked with these as their job, they're really easy to work with and work on. If you are unsure how to work on these, Lenovo has tons of guides available on these as well as their other business machines. As many fellow IT persons have explained - the modularity for these machines is top priority, and being able to swap out the PSU or front I/O on the fly is a great asset. Additionally, the use of circuit boards as opposed to cables saves a lot of time as we do not need to manage it all to get a machine back up and running after a component failed. On top of that, it saves a *lot* on rubber and copper for cables that are unnecessary or just go completely unused. In that sense I'd say this is a pretty environmentally conscious design. I dunno, the way this was handled here as "just OEM sludge" without recognising its environment is kinda leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not gonna lie, it was kind of baffling to see you try to take it apart without any prior knowledge (especially without the manual which, as you explained, this is a run-of-the-mill Lenovo business workstation with nothing really special about it minus the developer software) - the documentation is easily available and found using the service tag that's still on the machine. Even if this was somehow an OEM specific Stadia unit, you already have found the corresponding unit (the P520) this was based on - why didn't you take it apart with that manual in hand...?
@jokroast6912
@jokroast6912 Жыл бұрын
For once, a proprietary system that I like. Cool ideas intended to make it tool-less, but actually just make it look cleaner.
@kelownatechkid
@kelownatechkid Жыл бұрын
That power connection isn't standard but it isn't exactly non-standard either. You can easily get breakout boards and even find replacements
@BrianCairns
@BrianCairns Жыл бұрын
This is definitely a P520. All of the toolless aspects of this design (including the PSU) do actually serve a purpose. Limiting downtime on workstations is often critical. Workstations are often used in high end embedded applications, like the PC used to run an MRI scanner or the PC used to playback movies at a theater. When something breaks in an application like that, you want it fixed quickly. You don't want to ship the machine back for a failed power supply, and in many cases you don't even want to wait for a service tech to be dispatched. A dead simple swappable PSU like this can be serviced by basically any IT worker quickly and without much training. The fact that you can't put an off the shelf ATX PSU in something like this doesn't matter, because you typically have a long warranty anyway. Think of how much it costs an airport for every hour that their baggage scanners are broken.
@wytfish4855
@wytfish4855 Жыл бұрын
as someone who hails from a country where the biggest airline is notorious for shitty everything in general, i think they dont care lol. jokes aside, this is good insight. we got so detached building PERSONAL computers we overlook that enterprises also do use them, all that seemed like nonsense to us is unlikely to be so for them.
@ulle500
@ulle500 Жыл бұрын
It's all great until you don't have the proprietary parts on hand
@phizc
@phizc Жыл бұрын
21:34, you nailed it when you said it would cut down the time by 1-3 minutes. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the front IO daughter board was hot swappable. You didn't have to take off the entire front to get it out. Notice that there was nothing holding it to the front panel after you had taken it off.
@dorinxtg
@dorinxtg Жыл бұрын
Great video! Few remarks, if you don't mind: 1. Lenovo publishes tons of videos how to open and maintain these machines, here on youtube. You could have saved yourself tons of time in order to disassemble this workstation. 2. The front panel is on a proprietary card and that's for a purpose. Sometimes they sell this devices for 2 USB-A and 2 USB-C, sometime 4 USB-C, sometime 4 USB-A Gen 3.1. This "card" solves this issue without building lots of connectors and cables (think about the BOM). 3. PSU - This was designed as part of their entire-line design to support dual PSU's and hot swap support. At the end it wasn't necessary but it was already built, so they use it as it is ;)
@stoneymahoney9106
@stoneymahoney9106 Жыл бұрын
20:30 Those aren't flow guides - they're GPU support slots. Check at 7:48 and you can see the handle-like assembly on the back of the GPU slots into it. Been standard in workstations for a long time, I had a 2009 Mac Pro with the same setup. (EDIT: You get a perfect view of it in action when he pulls the card out around 10:28)
@hishnash
@hishnash Жыл бұрын
Yer very important if you are shipping these around the world. The fact that the current PCI standard does not include guidelines for supports on both ends of the cards is a big issue and leads to a LOT of RMA due to shipping on OEM systems. Consuerm OEMs try to get around this by packing the devices with packing martial but this does not work so well and you need to get the user to remove that stuff without anciently pulling on any connectors etc
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
It's both
@user-cr4sc1ht9t
@user-cr4sc1ht9t Жыл бұрын
The point is it's basically a standard. Long-ass cards always had matching support slots at the front like since before AGP was a thing. Somehow gaming PC cases dropped it and here we are hanging GPU from the roof of the case to make up for that.
@jsteezus
@jsteezus Жыл бұрын
Love seeing you look at obscure, unreleased (either to the general public, or not released to anyone) hardware. Loved the series x dev kit with the 40GB of vram, the evga “next gen graphics” card (essentially a 4090,) and even things that exist but prices dictate a regular consumer is never going to own one as a home lab or as a fun hobby to tinker with like some of those extremely expensive data center graphics cards and servers as a whole. Keep it up and have safe trips to Asia.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Love this stuff!
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Жыл бұрын
That's pretty standard workstation stuff. I only do HP and Dell that's similar but better built than Lenovo. They' usually have Nvidia Quadro video cards fitted for CAD etc.
@Vedthrfolnir
@Vedthrfolnir Жыл бұрын
Google sent like 10 of these to us, even though we only had one dev doing Stadia work. We were going to deploy them as build servers when we heard Stadia was shut down, but then Google asked for them back.
@Lucian_Andries
@Lucian_Andries Жыл бұрын
Google is so poor, it asked for their cheap-shit PCs back................... smh
@BenchARTVideos
@BenchARTVideos Жыл бұрын
Sad! What game were you about to publish?
@sosukelele
@sosukelele Жыл бұрын
@@Lucian_Andries Hey, Stadia had to minimize any losses it could!
@jakestocker4854
@jakestocker4854 Жыл бұрын
@@Lucian_Andries I mean these had CPUs that were a few thousand dollars MSRP on release my dude they aren't cheap shit PCs
@Lucian_Andries
@Lucian_Andries Жыл бұрын
@@jakestocker4854 Well, Intel prices were always premium, even when the product was meh at best.
@liampwll
@liampwll Жыл бұрын
Pull up on the handle, not out! Aside from that, the circle bit it usually a lock and the front panel IO can be removed in about 10 seconds by lifting the tab next to it and sliding the whole thing forward, you don't have to remove the entire front of the case.
@L0CH4N4
@L0CH4N4 Жыл бұрын
So according to the service tag on that machine, looks like it received a bit of an upgrade. It had originally shipped with a Radeon Pro WX8200, not the V320; and CPU-wise a W-2135 instead of the W-2175. Also of note is that it had come with Debian Linux, and was originally shipped to Singapore.
@profosist
@profosist Жыл бұрын
maybe good did some changes first?
Жыл бұрын
The socket-able PSU makes all the sense considering the volume they produce just think about all they save on copper that otherwise would be used for the cables.
@hollowknut9473
@hollowknut9473 Жыл бұрын
I won't get into whether the tool-less mechanics are a good idea or not, but judging by how the front panel I/O came out separately and how the rest of the metal casing on the inside doesn't overlap the motherboard it looks like it could have been removed without removing the front panel. I could be wrong and have seen older OEM computers make it far more difficult while also requiring the removal of the front panel, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
@SaphireLattice
@SaphireLattice Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure that the black thing on top of the front cage was the quick release button to just slide the front IO module out Which he spent like 5-10 minutes avoiding even looking or bothering to poke at, instead unbolting literally every single thing he could, and then finally slide the module out after all that, after cursing the OEM for "this mess" because he did it in the wrongest way possible
@Njazmo
@Njazmo Жыл бұрын
The front I/O obviously has a locking latch on the back, near the motherboard connector.
@Papinak2
@Papinak2 Жыл бұрын
Also, judging from the free space around the daughterboard, I gues there arendifferent modules woth different IO - the slot allows to pack more connections in the smaller area.
@DavisMakesGames
@DavisMakesGames Жыл бұрын
That printing on the inside of the left side panel is something standard on HP workstations, my z620 had it and my z840 has it too. In fact, I'd bet the same company made the side panel on HP and Lenovo workstations - the latch mechanism looks incredibly similar on the inside, and the printed bit uses the same font and diagram style. Pretty interesting. Also, routing PCIe (or other) power through the board is a very common server thing, most servers have the hotswap PSU slot straight into the motherboard, so no CPU/board power delivery cables are needed and the PSU itself can be smaller. Any additional power you need plugs straight into the board. As someone who works with servers, I'm actually quite glad to see the "PCI slot" style PSU in a workstation, I understand it's not the best for consumers but it's better for companies, arguably. If you buy 100 of these workstations and 10 spare PSUs, the IT department can quickly and easily replace a PSU, no cables needed, fewer points of failure. I love HP's workstations as well, on the higher end they have little sliding mechanisms and locks similar to the Lenovo, but they're metal and very well built. Additionally a bit odd they used a Radeon Pro, not a Quadro - I guess whatever Stadia developers needed from a GPU it wasn't CUDA accelerated (or dependent on good GPU cooling...)
@Pasi123
@Pasi123 Жыл бұрын
Having the printing on the inside is standard on pretty much all workstations from Lenovo, HP, Dell, Fujitsu etc.
@dakoderii4221
@dakoderii4221 Жыл бұрын
KZfaq thinks this video is about the game "Teardown". Even Google doesn't know what Stadia is! 🤣
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
hahahaha
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
Nah, that's just KZfaq being shit. I've seen several videos with game associations that had no connection whatsoever. At this point, hundreds of videos labeled as KZfaq Kids despite some having no connection whatsoever with it (like for example a guy machining the intake for a race car project). The services they provide are getting worse and worse every year.
@SRC267
@SRC267 Жыл бұрын
Oh no
@JakeobE
@JakeobE Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Teardown deserves more publicity. Very fun game with good re-playability (until you've completed every mission and all secondary objective)
@Damien_N
@Damien_N Жыл бұрын
That button he's trying to press on the side panel is a blank for a chassis lock, that'll be wired into the board. Most big brand Workstation OEMs have them as options.
@earllemongrab7960
@earllemongrab7960 Жыл бұрын
It said Debian on the paper. A linux distro. As far as I know, Stadia was running Linux. I would guess the person you bought this PC of put Windows on it.
@lys19931030
@lys19931030 Жыл бұрын
i'm impressed with the cable management of this build
@yingste
@yingste Жыл бұрын
The power supply is also 80 platinum so while it is proprietary I imagine it is build fairly well and should last decently long.
@patricktho6546
@patricktho6546 Жыл бұрын
Since effeciency = seevice-life ?
@JohnWiku
@JohnWiku Жыл бұрын
They confuse efficiency rating with quality
@tyre1337
@tyre1337 Жыл бұрын
what does being 80 platinum have to do with longevity?
@TheHighborn
@TheHighborn Жыл бұрын
Guys the Psu held up longer than stadia, so it doesn't matter does it lmao
@yingste
@yingste Жыл бұрын
@@tyre1337 generally if you're going to put in more expensive, higher quality parts to hit those efficiency ratings, you'll also see them last longer.
@Supercon57
@Supercon57 Жыл бұрын
I love how modular and serviceable workstations are That slot in PSU without having to touch any cables seems amazing
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Жыл бұрын
I guess you have never looked in a server then - been like that for decades
@Supercon57
@Supercon57 Жыл бұрын
@@eliotmansfield I have an HP Z600 for my home lab It has a six pin cable that hangs off it for the GPU so you have to unplug the cable to swap the PSU
@nvrlucke705
@nvrlucke705 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has hurt my hands one too many times trying to pull the Motherboard 24pin connector, that slot in design actually looks kinda cool.
@noscopesallowed8128
@noscopesallowed8128 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I definitely wouldn't mind something a bit less difficult to use than the large plugs like that, but this design just screams cracked motherboard to me.
@Desalater2
@Desalater2 Жыл бұрын
@@noscopesallowed8128 time to pay 1k for cheapest mobo cause they are all thick as hell to cope with the power flow
@AnIdiotwithaSubaru
@AnIdiotwithaSubaru Жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure that Delta PSU uses a standard server 12v power connector. It may seem unnecessary but it can handle a lot of current and not get hot. As you guys know all too well, 12v can make something really hot when a conductor isn't rated for it. these are likely overrated for the task
@edwardallenthree
@edwardallenthree Жыл бұрын
It's always funny to see Steve's take on workstations. It's clear that he has never had to maintain a fleet of workstations.
@GlassPup
@GlassPup Жыл бұрын
Did that front usb/power not slide out without removing the front panel? I think it’s designed to easily replace the fpanel “expansion 5.25”
@jrsxcase
@jrsxcase Жыл бұрын
Wicked interesting to see the PSU to pull air through the drive cage to provide some level of cooling to the HDDs. I love some of the OEM enginuity, even if sometimes it's more novelty.
@jasuko
@jasuko Жыл бұрын
The “Open Source Information” document suggests that this computer originally came with Debian GNU/Linux. Which would make a lot of sense, since Stadia games run on GNU/Linux. The previous owner probably replaced it with Windows when it was decommissioned.
@Dasper12
@Dasper12 Жыл бұрын
@14:14 The problem they are solving is not additional cables but modularity for orders. If you reevaluate the case you will see that practically every upgrade option is just a toolless slide in part (hard drives, video card, power supply, etc). The case and motherboard are all assembled and tested ahead of time and once an order comes in, the parts are just clicked into slot and locked in. A "custom" build is completed in under 10 minuets and ready to ship. Edit: This is also the case at 20 minutes in for the front panel. Not about eliminating cables but how a minimum wage assembly worker can jam the correct front panel on the prebuild to complete the order.
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
That little handle thing, i think it might be so that you can put a key inside. It's not pull, it's pull up, which retracts grips at the top. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
@kw6919
@kw6919 Жыл бұрын
The Power Supply looks like a Server power rail style PSU.
@Jay-ik1pt
@Jay-ik1pt Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was going to say. They've either repurposed an existing server PSU and done away with the PDU in favor of using the motherboard as such, or they've had Delta create a semi-custom form factor based on an existing server PSU. I would *imagine* it's probably the latter, because it allows them to soak enterprise customers on replacement parts only available through Lenovo. They can then "standardize" there entire workstation lineup on this oddball form factor. It even makes replacements quick and easy (if not necessarily cheap), right up until Lenovo discontinues the form factor and you're forced to buy a whole new machine instead of throwing an off-the-shelf ATX psu in. Dell loves their proprietary psus, not at all surprising to see something like this in a Lenovo.
@benpatch8692
@benpatch8692 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been rolling on a P520 for three years and can’t come up with a reason to upgrade - they are built like tanks and the firmware is rock solid. Underrated utility machines… in daily driving, it’s crashed once (ever).
@benpatch8692
@benpatch8692 Жыл бұрын
Also, you can get a Thunderbolt expansion card for the front slots, which is kind of awesome.
@theParticleGod
@theParticleGod Жыл бұрын
That sort of "cartridge" power supply is common in the server world, particularly for machines with multiple power supplies. It makes it a lot easier to swap out a power supply in the event of failure. You just don't have any choice of power supply, but you don't want to put random power supplies into a datacenter full of identical machines anyway.
@Brabant076
@Brabant076 Жыл бұрын
I've only recently discovered this channel, how did i miss it all these years? I can't get enough watching all your videos.
@4.0.4
@4.0.4 Жыл бұрын
That burger looking good.
@henryatkinson1479
@henryatkinson1479 Жыл бұрын
7:18 Thinkcentre computers have had those inside of the access panels since the IBM days.
@stuartlunsford7556
@stuartlunsford7556 Жыл бұрын
Way stronger of a workstation than I expected, pretty cool!
@playbookshowme484
@playbookshowme484 Жыл бұрын
The build layout is GREAT you tool.
@TheOMGPudding
@TheOMGPudding Жыл бұрын
I get that it would constrain non standard case layouts (without some kind of riser like GPUs use for vertical mounting/SFF cases), but the way that PSU attaches is super cool. I kind of wish it was the standard to reduce cables!
@-opus
@-opus Жыл бұрын
13:00 While I cannot stand proprietary components/connections, this reminded me of the Gigabyte Stealth motherboard, with many of the connectors on the back of the board, instead of the front = a much more logical cabling solution. I think it is time for the standards to be rethought, it would be great to get rid of cabling in the front of the case one way, or another.
@deadpin
@deadpin Жыл бұрын
Yup. The solution to that custom power supply is to not complain it's not to the ATX spec. The solution is to get the ATX spec to actually innovate and move to that instead. No wires; slots right in. Running wires to your graphics card? No. Slot it right in too. Integrated power rails as much as possible. Remove as much routing and _bending_ of cables as possible you know, before bending becomes a problem. Good thing we're not at that point yet.
@wubbsy
@wubbsy Жыл бұрын
This case looks so retro futuristic. Especially with the colors. I really like it.
@ShadVonHass
@ShadVonHass Жыл бұрын
Great vid, the part where we got the bird was just my favorite part
@TedPhillips
@TedPhillips Жыл бұрын
It looked like there was a thumb spring catch latch on the IO board that probably would have slid it out which would have made taking the front panel off fairly unnecessary. A swing up latch on the front bay cage too. Interesting to see. More topical, the stadia refunds are kind of a mess.
@jolness1
@jolness1 Жыл бұрын
On one hand I understand why Lenovo uses custom stuff like the PSU on workstation and server builds and I’m honestly okay with that just from experience of having to service hundreds of chassis like this, takes a few minutes to swap out a PSU like this vs 5-6x as much, makes a bigger difference on servers with redundant power supplies where this type of connector is pretty standard. The one thing Lenovo does better than any of the other large OEMs (especially dell which is probably why Alienware is bad at it) is tool less servicing and I do appreciate it in that context. And despite the cheap feel, the engineering of it is something I appreciate occasionally when the design is simple(when thought of in context of the massive amount of cost cutting they do to squeeze every penny of margin) That said, consumer hardware should use off the shelf spec parts imo with the exception of the little 1L thin clients where to do stuff like through a low power quadro card or option for a quad NIC pcie slot, it’s hard to imagine a non custom board allowing for that. Interesting kit, surprised google didn’t go with something more custom but maybe they knew they would kill stadia if it didn’t succeed right away. I think we will see more focus from google with tighter economic conditions, search (ads mainly) might be a money printer but even the Monolith of Mountainview has limits.
@aleithiatoews6452
@aleithiatoews6452 Жыл бұрын
All of this input from the corporate IT perspective is fascinating. I think it would cool to get more perspectives on design decisions from the people working on these products.
@scarecrow5848
@scarecrow5848 Жыл бұрын
that side panel remove button reminds me of a slow-rise Casette eject! really cool.
@RepsUp100
@RepsUp100 Жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, more vids on Xeon builds please! I'd love to know how those combo Xeon kits from Ali Express perform in gaming.
@patsy02
@patsy02 Жыл бұрын
Check out Miyconst for bootleg xeon benchmarks
@shaneeslick
@shaneeslick Жыл бұрын
There are many good quality channels for that type of hardware, it's not really what GN do as when reviewing older Tech like CPUs & GPUs it is more focussed on Desktop helping those looking to get something new or the Future of PC Tech
@fonsui
@fonsui Жыл бұрын
ive had a secondhand lenovo p500 (haswell/broadwell era, pcie 3.0+ddr4) for a few years now and have also noted the oem "quirks" of the system. the cable-less and slot-in power supply design is excellent for best-practices servicing, using authorized parts from authorized channels and in an authorized shop or a corporate IT lab, and this being a corporate targeted product sort of forgets about interchangeability/compatibility and industry standards, unfortunately. the front bezel is indeed a beast to remove without damaging, but the 5.25" bay front panel i/o module could have been removed from the drive bay it occupied without removing the entire bezel - again, this was designed to be serviced quickly and in volume, and that design actually is executed fairly well and consistently - note the expansion card securement mechanism. the side panel release mechanism has clearly been downgraded over time, the p5/7/900 have a very sturdy release mechanism driven by the pop-up handle, and it seems the build quality of the case itself has gone down as well, as my machine is rock-solid and exhibits none of the wobble you demonstrated. outside of that, its actually fairly surprising how little has changed in this design from haswell era until now (the cooler, the mainboard form factor, and case internals layout are virtually identical), and its nice to see this lineage of workstation highlighted, quirks and all. i do wish they hadnt cut the corners over time that i can clearly see by comparing your system to mine, but it seems that the broad strokes have been retained. now, if only theyd make a threadripper pro box like this...
@Ralnir
@Ralnir Жыл бұрын
As also a P500 owner, I agree that the downgrade of the side panel lever is a crime. In addition, it looks like Lenovo decided to ditch the plastic air baffles for subsequent generations of thinkstation? Bit of a shame, as those tiny fans need all the help they can get to push the air where it needs to go.
@ericwood3709
@ericwood3709 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of you guys displaying it like the Predator displaying a trophy from a kill.
@XMegaJuni
@XMegaJuni Жыл бұрын
I heard that there was a bidding war for this dev kit. Other KZfaqrs (not going to mention names) were hording all the dev kits. So glad there is competition in YT.
@justahologram2230
@justahologram2230 Жыл бұрын
That kinda reminds me of how hot swap server PSUs connect, any chance that connection comes from their server division?
@deimosian
@deimosian Жыл бұрын
My dude the little FPIO module just slides out on its own, you could have just pushed it through, no big deal.
@schassis_eddi
@schassis_eddi Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve thank you for the coasters.
@TheBighouse19
@TheBighouse19 Жыл бұрын
Im an IT professional for the live broadcasting industry, and Let me tell you urgency, is a must in live production and downtime is a thorn in the side of many a producer/artist. These things are designed for quick repair in the field, and I appreciate the heck out of it for that. Yes, it is E-waste when its old and outdated, but typically machine refreshes happen every 4 years in corporate enviornments, so there is no reason at all to keep these things beyond their warranty period. Funny though, it's a double edged sword, because sometimes those machines may be proprietary appliances that need to stick around, and you can't do too much when they break and are forced to buy the premium parts to fix it. Or you be like me and find pinouts and splice in cabling, or buy an adapter to use standard hardware, lol
@draggonhedd
@draggonhedd Жыл бұрын
Looks like the handle could be specced with a lock, sensible for office environments.
@Thehomieibrahim
@Thehomieibrahim Жыл бұрын
I’m getting parts for a gaming pc for Christmas, it’ll be my first build and while I’m terrified that I’ll mess it up, I’m also extremely excited to actually do it as it has been something that I’ve been wanting to do for close to a decade now
@dakoderii4221
@dakoderii4221 Жыл бұрын
It should go rather smoothly as long as you don't do custom watercooling and/or use a Mini-ITX case. Go slow and be patient. Don't fret if something stumps you. Just take a break for minute to refresh your mind. You can do it and will surprise yourself. Good luck!
@Brandon-bs5rg
@Brandon-bs5rg Жыл бұрын
@@dakoderii4221 the taking a break thing is good advice
@agenericaccount3935
@agenericaccount3935 Жыл бұрын
Go open loop ITX. Baptize yourself in fire.
@IAMSEYMOURMUSIC
@IAMSEYMOURMUSIC Жыл бұрын
You'll be fine :) getting the front panel LEDs and the buttons connected is the only fiddly part
@LeoDavidson
@LeoDavidson Жыл бұрын
And don't be afraid to ask if you're not sure. Loads of people will love to help out a new builder, and it might avoid an expensive mistake! It's much easier these days than it used to be though, almost like lego. About 15 years ago, every time I built a PC I'd be guaranteed to have literally bleeding hands by the end of it, haha. :D
@rideroftheapocalypse9953
@rideroftheapocalypse9953 Жыл бұрын
10:43 you are so damn right, all the consumer cards are like flashy and all that stuff, this looks so clean and awesome. The Radeon VII looked really good too.
@fabioguedes4872
@fabioguedes4872 Жыл бұрын
Worked as a repair technician for HP back in the day... Workstations are built to be easy and fast to be repaired nothing else, In my time I could have a machine like that in pieces in 15 minutes and be out of the building in my car in another 15 already prepping to my next service appointment. Most companies don't even keep machines like that after its warranty is out, so components being not standard is a non issue. The gains in uptime is good for the customer and the ability to service machines faster in the field was good for the manufacturer, a win-win scenario. so that's why their are built this way.
@plushquasar653
@plushquasar653 Жыл бұрын
“This is what Alienware wishes it could be.” LOL I love how Steve can be so calm yet sooo savage.
@uzimmermann
@uzimmermann Жыл бұрын
I am sorry, Steve, but I do not agree with you about this being stupid about the power supply or the front IO board being PCB board connectors instead of cables. This comes down to field service and being able to swap a part like that without having to deal with cables. This makes it easier for the field service person. Less training etc. And the front panel IO, I am pretty sure you need to take one screw on the side out, then slide the black plastic handle next to it to unlock that board (probably further down the video you figure that finally out).
@Wolvel86
@Wolvel86 Жыл бұрын
I was just looking for something to watch as food cooks. Thanks GN!
@artistlovepeace
@artistlovepeace Жыл бұрын
@GamersNexus shows and proves! Love science, honesty and technology.
@manuelsputnik
@manuelsputnik Жыл бұрын
Replacing the motherboard is tough, but everything else was pretty good. Not to mention the specs of the computer quite future proofed. I was impressed with Google's engineers and Lenovo, too baf about Stadia though.
@genericscottishchannel1603
@genericscottishchannel1603 Жыл бұрын
Socketable power supplies sound neat, as long as you accommodate different mobo and PSU form factors, then make sure every PSU works with every mobo, then do a similar thing for getting power to GPUs
@justahologram2230
@justahologram2230 Жыл бұрын
It looks like a server PSU connection to me, redundant hot swappable PSUs are pretty common in that world
@cyklondx
@cyklondx Жыл бұрын
that was a really good deal - the v320 typically goes for 1k used alone.
@moes2168
@moes2168 Жыл бұрын
A little surprised that Steve struggled with so many things considering this is a "PC Tech" channel. The handle for example acts like a car door, once you pop it out, you pull up on it, which releases the catch and panel should pop right off. It's a mechanical latch with design to incorporate a lock if needed for enterprise use. As for front I/O daughterboard, there is a screw and latch (with black cover) right on top of the expansion bay, releasing that will release the tray that the daughterboard is mounted on and it would slide right out. Front I/Os are usually one of the very first thing that will fail in an enterprise workstation so a quick way to replace it is necessary. Literally would have taken 2 seconds if he released the latch. This negates pretty much half the video because Steve is complaining about an issue that he fabricated. It's an enterprise level workstation where nearly everything is going to be modular. If you're struggling to remove a component on these, you're probably doing it wrong. Workstations like these (not Stadia but say the P520) at an enterprise level will be installed by the 100s, maybe 1000s and sometimes in one location. From view of IT/servicing, minimizing repair downtime will be a priority and these stations are designed with that in mind. It's either 15 seconds to swap a PSU or minimum 30 minutes unplugging wires, removing/installing PSU and re-routing all the wires.
@conan_kudo
@conan_kudo Жыл бұрын
It's weird that the computer has Windows 10 on it, since Stadia runs a Debian Linux distribution. The documentation you showed seems to indicate that it came with Debian. Maybe someone wiped the machine and put Windows 10 on it so that it wouldn't be on there when the computer was sold?
@g7lethal
@g7lethal Жыл бұрын
you should contact lenovo, theyre right in rtp and would probably love to show off what goes into system design
@Zarcondeegrissom
@Zarcondeegrissom Жыл бұрын
note on that expansion slot front mount 'extender' (brace/bracket) on that Radeon, keep it, same goes for any Tesla/Quadro extenders ye has. it's probably like rack mount ears on audio stuff, if you loose them you will never find proper replacements that work or don't look like angle-grinder leftovers. I have a few audio recording things I can not put in the racks with the rest of my stuff because the seller lost the ears and they don't make them any more (Kurzweil k2000R to name one), lol. Great vid Steve and crew.
@handlesarefeckinstupid
@handlesarefeckinstupid Жыл бұрын
That front I/O doesn't need the whole front end removing lime Steve did. It slides out as a little module, you can see when he noticed that and it came free. In real terms you could replace it without even taking the side panel off. I am going to presume he hasn't much experience of how workstations are built as all the ones i ervice have blade type server PSU's that fit like this.
@powerpower-rg7bk
@powerpower-rg7bk Жыл бұрын
The power supply connector is likely shared with various Lenovo servers, though the form factor likely unique to the tower. This is likely for various IPMI remote management features they offer on their workstation line up. As for socketable power supplies, I've seen them from Apple, HP and Dell depending on their generation in the workstation market. The reason for the daughtercard for the front IO is so they can provide multiple port configurations. The sneaky thing is that there are some PCIe lanes in that connector which can then be used to provide some unique configuration upon request. The W-2175 isn't a server CPU but an actual workstation CPU. It uses the same LGA 2066 socket as Sky Lake-X found in HEDT. The board likely will take one those Sky Lake-X chips. (Server variant is LGA 3647 with hex channel DDR4.) The video card is also a unique board with several connectors not found on the desktop boards for stereoscopic displays and Gen-Lock. The power connectors are also moved around and this one only uses mini-DP connectors.
@kekistanifreedomfighter4197
@kekistanifreedomfighter4197 Жыл бұрын
Dang. A little over $1000 for that kind of hardware is a damn good deal. The white case & Stadia branding make it even cooler as a piece of history.
@watercannonscollaboration2281
@watercannonscollaboration2281 Жыл бұрын
Steve in the intro: *gets an aneurysm from the SSD caddy Me: wait until you see the power supply
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 Жыл бұрын
I certainly had an aneurysm from that power supply
@JoshuaNicoll
@JoshuaNicoll Жыл бұрын
Those kinds of socketed toolless PSUs are very common on rack servers, and tower servers, but likely why it's used in this is, re-using server parts for workstation parts makes their supplychain cheaper, I think, idk, seems odd. However this was meant for a professional company enviroment, the IT tech will just go direct to Lenovo/stadia and order the same PSU from them through the company account, you're not gonna go to ebay or that unless it's a very old machine you've been given permission to keep running by any means necessary.
@nbrain1595
@nbrain1595 Жыл бұрын
Yes ofc, but the it also means that after phased out, its hard to resell etc.. its just sad, especially for simple, normally very reusable thongs like PSUs
@JoshuaNicoll
@JoshuaNicoll Жыл бұрын
@nbrain1595 I don't get it either but they don't like that kind of thing, in their eyes when it's done you send it to the recyclers, they break it up, and send all the raw materials to be processed back into thr starting chemicals.
@carnsoaks1
@carnsoaks1 Жыл бұрын
Fun as always, merci.
@JackDangerous
@JackDangerous Жыл бұрын
Cmon man, the plastic handle was obviously meant to be pulled up to loosen the side panel, kinda seemed like you opened it wrong on purpose just to shit on it when you were the one who didn't understand its basic workings. I like your videos and they're interesting and informative for most part but i seem to be picking up these kinds of "click-bait reaction" vibes a lot.
@jannegrey593
@jannegrey593 Жыл бұрын
This is going to be so super interesting that I cannot wait! Shame about Stadia though.
@TheSolidSnakeOil
@TheSolidSnakeOil Жыл бұрын
Is it a shame?
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 Жыл бұрын
"Shame about Stadia though." Is it though? They lied about negative latency right from the start, and cloud gaming is never going to be good anyway.
@jannegrey593
@jannegrey593 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSolidSnakeOil Yes, I'll respond to other person and there will be slightly more details there.
@jannegrey593
@jannegrey593 Жыл бұрын
@@mjc0961 I would say so. For you cloud gaming might never be the future. But I'm assuming you live in a country in which you don't need to spend couple months/years budget on a gaming computer. But you might be able to buy something that would run games like this. Now - of course. Stadia was screwy, negative latency lie was moronic and evil. But I would hope that there would be some upgrades in the future. Their own pad is bad when it comes to latency - that would have to be done better first, given that you only add latency with running things through the net - so it's obvious that there are problems. I'm not crying about Stadia specifically. I'm a bit weepy, because it sets back cloud gaming years if not decades :(
@BRUXXUS
@BRUXXUS Жыл бұрын
Despite being blower, those OG Vega Frontier edition cards are still my favorite GPU design. So clean and professional looking.
@vincentbrassard7252
@vincentbrassard7252 Жыл бұрын
Really like those videos and would love to see some workstation grade oem machines more often. Have to admit that oems not using standards sucks for a lot of reasons, but it’s very interesting to see things being done differently. Seems to me like it’s often for convenience for the techs servicing these, not just for reusing old machinery or cutting cost. Anyway, thanks for these rare gems!
@augustofretes
@augustofretes Жыл бұрын
Guys, I love you, but you’re making lots of completely idiotic assumptions about what makes sense and doesn’t in an enterprise environment. You’ve clearly given it about 2 seconds worth of thought. The hubris to assume that people that think 24/7 and do this kind of things at scale that you barely have a grasp on is absurd. We’re not talking about a company with 3 employees building a few PCs a month for enthusiasts.
@paulo278
@paulo278 Жыл бұрын
i really enjoyed the teardown gameplay
@humanbean6672
@humanbean6672 Жыл бұрын
The case actually looks really cool
@kennyj4366
@kennyj4366 Жыл бұрын
Even today that would make a decent workstation. Unique PC Steve.
@AdamsWorlds
@AdamsWorlds Жыл бұрын
Looks better built that most OEM machines lol. Thanks Steve (and everyone else behind the scenes)
@malithaw
@malithaw Жыл бұрын
Man I really like Lenevos engineering. Also, I think steve is seeing the enginerring only from a PC enthusiast's POV. I'm sure he'd have appreciated this piece of work if he looked it through the eyes of an IT professional.
@dorfschmidt4833
@dorfschmidt4833 Жыл бұрын
Really cool PC, graphic card is cool too. Quad channel memory, HBM memory, cool stuff.
@bobthompson4319
@bobthompson4319 Жыл бұрын
The fan cover on the internal cpu cooler is a good design, keeps the mice and rats from getting injured while hiding in the pc from when it was sitting in a warehouse for way to long.
@thelaughingmanofficial
@thelaughingmanofficial Жыл бұрын
I like how KZfaq thinks you're talking about "Teardown" the PC game and not doing a Tea-down of a dev kit.
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